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"And yea, I classify beans, dairy, and grains all about the same. I think they should be "used sparingly". Fruits and veggies are much better. Grains are not that bad, I'm just trying to get you guys to realize that they are NOT necessary. Therefore, the government recommending 6-11 servings of a non-necessary food (with no distinction between refined/whole) was a MAJOR screwup. This wasn't the stone age of nutrition. We GREW UP on the pyramind recommendations."

Dairy isn't necessary, but beans and grains are great if your portions are the right size. Fruits and veggies won't provide the protein you need. Legumes, and something like quinoa, are great foods and I don't see why anyone wouldn't try to fit that kind of thing into their diet.

1/15/2010 12:00:17 PM

we need to find a way to harvest breast milk for adult consumption...would be perfect for those on a bulk!

kidding

1/15/2010 1:10:21 PM

The thing is you're both right. There have been cultures that have eaten a diet made up predominantly of meat and ones where grains made up the vast majority of their diet. And they are both healthier than the American diet. Obviously we're putting things into our body that our body doesn't know what to do with, and I'm willing to bet it's the preservatives and chemicals rather than rice vs chicken.

1/15/2010 9:34:51 PM

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"The thing is you're both right. There have been cultures that have eaten a diet made up predominantly of meat and ones where grains made up the vast majority of their diet."

If any of you watched the video you would know that both of these diets have little to no fructose in them and that's the point of the video and this thread.

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"Obviously we're putting things into our body that our body doesn't know what to do with, and I'm willing to bet it's the preservatives and chemicals rather than rice vs chicken."

It's the high fructose intake. Watch the video.

1/16/2010 12:06:50 AM

But there have been cultures that have based most of their caloric intake on fruits and vegetables, which most certainly have large amounts of fructose in them.

I honestly believe the best diet is one that is minimally processed and well-balanced. You shouldn't eat a crapload of cookies just as you shouldn't be eating a crapload of fried chicken.

1/16/2010 1:09:25 AM

Actually was watching the video in bursts. Just finishing now.

1:15- "Anybody ever heard of the Paleolithic diet.... you would cure diabetes in a week."

yea I guess this guy is a moron too...

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1/16/2010 10:54:15 AM

^go on...

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1/16/2010 11:19:52 AM

all I had left was </sarcasm>

1/16/2010 12:16:10 PM

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"<--carb cycler "

I did that on and off for a couple of years. Physically I looked the most fit in my life when I was doing it, but I felt fogged up mentally 2 days a week and wanted to sleep all day on the carb loading portion. I also didn't have the cardio endurance or lifting strength that I would have liked to have. I still managed to eat a lot of vegetables while on the diet, unlike many people that carb cycle or do ketogenic diets.

1/16/2010 12:26:43 PM

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"But there have been cultures that have based most of their caloric intake on fruits and vegetables, which most certainly have large amounts of fructose in them."

I wouldn't call the 15-30g/day of fructose that you get from a diet based off fruits and vegetables "large amounts." Also, the amount of fiber on a fruit and veggie diet would increase and help not let all of the sugars be absorbed in the intestine.

1/16/2010 2:54:56 PM

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"quinoa (170g): 626 calories, 109g carbs apple (170g): 88 calories, 23g carbs http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-quinoa-i20035 http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-apples-i9003?size=7 So the quinoa is like 5 apples in calories. And you're suggesting 3-6 servings of grains. 1 apple a day to keep the doctor away, sure. The equivalent of 15-30 apples per day.... do you see where I'm going with this?"

Who the fuck eats 170 grams (that's uncooked weight) of quinoa in one sitting? Are you out of your mind? No wonder you think grains are bad for you!

A typical serving of grains is usually 40-50 grams uncooked, which turns out to be 150-200 g cooked.

One serving is 1 cup cooked (1/3 to 1/4 cup uncooked), but you are looking at the data of 1 cup uncooked (4 CUPS COOKED!!!) and maligning the natural wholesome product. Damn you are misinformed. So, a serving of quinoa is only 170 calories.

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/10352/2

Wow, just wow.

P.S. Yes, let's compare the nutritional and caloric density of a fruit full of water to a product (grain) with almost no water in it!

P.P.S As for the paleolithic diet, I even mentioned it before you did and before watching the video (called it neolithic by mistake). As I said, I am all for eating animals and fruits only if we can have access to the type of animal flesh that our ancestors 10,000 years ago did. And at the same price as today's commerically raised junk flesh.

P.P.P.S. With a pwnt so bad, you should stay out!


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1/16/2010 4:33:30 PM

Yea, so I fucked up on that (I thought that was kind of high, anyway. I figured the site would say "uncooked" if it was uncooked).

However, the point still stands that grains are not equal to fruit or vegetables in calories or carbs.

The quinoa still has twice the carbs, over twice the calories, and a measly 10% more fiber than the apple.

And hell, the apple is a conservative example. Broccoli is 63 calories for 180g. So quinoa has almost 3.5 times as many calories. And it has less fiber than broccoli!

1/16/2010 7:08:38 PM

I'm confused. Where are you getting the fiber info from? Because using the two sites you listed one serving of quinoa has 48% of your daily fiber and 1 apple has 15%. And the quinoa has a crapload of protein, iron, magnesium, etc.

1/16/2010 9:12:43 PM

You're making the same mistake I did and looking at the uncooked quinoa. I'm using the link provided by OEPII1:

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/cereal-grains-and-pasta/10352/2

Concerning fiber, the cooked quinoa has 5g, 21% daily value. The apple (after converting to 185g) has 4.4g, 18% daily value. Broccoli has 6g, 24% daily value.

1/17/2010 5:51:30 AM

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/legumes-and-legume-products/4338/2

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"And yea, I classify beans, dairy, and grains all about the same. I think they should be "used sparingly""

Compare 100gs of cooked lentils to a 100g apple, then get back to me. Paleo is a fad diet like any other. Its a "good" diet because you dont eat a bunch of processed shit.

1/17/2010 10:25:00 AM

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"Paleo is a fad diet like any other"

Yup, the longest running "fad" diet of all time.

1/17/2010 12:02:09 PM

Among grains, quinoa is not as high in fiber as other common grains.

Wheat, spelt, Kamut, barley, oats, and rye all have 1.5 to 2 times the fiber in quinoa.

And beans and lentils have even more fiber, as well as double the protein of the amount found in grains.

Yup, horrible foods to eat!

1/17/2010 6:45:16 PM

I know! I am so mad at myself for putting lentils in my soup at lunch. I would try to throw them up but it's too late! FUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKK.

1/17/2010 7:00:27 PM

Lentils have a high GI and will make you F A T. Lentils, oats, barley, and quinoa is why America is FAT.

Say goodbye to your body and career

P.S. It is never too late to throw up...


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1/17/2010 7:07:29 PM

I had a chili yesterday that included lentils. It was pretty good stuff. Except for the part where it made me morbidly obese

1/17/2010 7:54:20 PM

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"Myth: High fructose corn syrup is to blame for obesity and causes diabetes. Reality: There is no scientific evidence to suggest that high fructose corn syrup is uniquely responsible for people becoming obese. Obesity results from an imbalance of calories consumed and calories burned."

Case closed.

1/17/2010 8:34:35 PM

Were we talking about HFCS? I thought we were talking about eating a well-balanced diet

1/17/2010 8:38:18 PM

Yea. You can't cut out an entire food group like HFCS?!? That's silly.

1/17/2010 8:44:16 PM

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"Eat fiber when you eat carbs"

that is so true. I am type I diabetic and for every 5 grams of fiber, I can knock off bolusing myself 1 carb.

2/8/2010 9:42:42 PM

http://laborpains.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/bur0707_13gmcgovern01sm.jpg

http://www.uh.edu/engines/AncelKeys.jpg

Just do the opposite of what these people told you to do when you were 6. You'll drop weight like crazy.

2/8/2010 10:36:54 PM

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"And yea, I classify beans, dairy, and grains all about the same. I think they should be "used sparingly". Fruits and veggies are much better. Grains are not that bad, I'm just trying to get you guys to realize that they are NOT necessary. Therefore, the government recommending 6-11 servings of a non-necessary food (with no distinction between refined/whole) was a MAJOR screwup. This wasn't the stone age of nutrition. We GREW UP on the pyramind recommendations. "

I've been on Paleo for the past two weeks. It's not so bad.

2/9/2010 9:44:12 AM

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-colbert-report-videos/263270/february-03-2010/john-durant

kind of amusing bit on paleo



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2/9/2010 1:13:24 PM

Well I am gluten and lactose sensitive, so it works out for me.

2/9/2010 1:54:01 PM

without reading all the bs being posted

I've started caring about reducing my fructose intake as well... because of the link posted.

The lectures problem, from what I can tell, is NOT just with HFCS... it's with ALL sugar (the kinds with fructose in it... don't parse, we're talking about HFCS sucrose and types like it)...

as a nation we have an abnormally high sugar diet... and basically half of refined sugar (sucrose, HFCS, and kinds like it) is fructose

and fructose is BAD FOR YOU... so you should do the most you can to reduce your sugar intake

... and no... he makes a point about fruits... there is plenty of fiber to apparently help regulate fructose metabolism... or something

anyways... there is every indication that fructose is very unhealthy for you and that the primary reason we are ALL (everyone... not just the fatties) gaining weight is because of this transfer to sugar calories in our diet

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2/9/2010 1:56:47 PM