What's going on ITT?!

9/21/2009 11:46:58 PM

Maybe it was just California regs that have European manufacturers with their panties in a bundle. Also, gasoline engines do provide an important fossil fuel usage. If all cars were diesel, then gasoline would be of less use and there would be an increase in oil demand. Commercial vehicles, trains, peak generators, and the like use diesel in probably a proportionate amount compares to private vehicles. We don't want to increase oil consumption even for higher fuel economy.

9/22/2009 12:54:45 AM

^what do you think they make gasoline out of ?

9/22/2009 1:10:07 AM

^^

9/22/2009 1:48:16 AM

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"I confess I was off a bit, but it's a lot better (esp. with the cats) than you'd like to admit...or possibly know."

A BIT? when you claim 99.9% of "cars on the road" achieve PERFECT combustion, that's not just "a bit", it's blatant and retarded...you'd be just as accurate to claim the moon is made of green cheese

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"your statement about your Mustang shows with cars you dont' know your ass from a hole int he ground."

haha, really? this is how you've decided i can't possibly realize and point out your ignorant statements? see, here's the problem...unlike you, i actually learned about basic math and chemistry in college...you should have spent more time in class and less time in the frat house getting blow jobs from your "brothers"

do the garage a favor and GTFO until you can post something akin to common sense...please?

[Edited on September 22, 2009 at 7:48 AM. Reason : .]

9/22/2009 7:47:57 AM

I'm sorry, I meant to refer to new cars built, not all clunkers and junkers on the road. That is obvious, I didn't pick my words very well. I admit my original statement war definitely wrong.

But you can fuck off with these ad hominem attacks. My degree's in mechanical engineering and I took courses in automotive engineering and the internal combustion engine. I've forgotten more about cars than you'll ever know. So you can STFU and go back to The Lounge where you belong and talk about your job where you wander around the wilderness and call it work. Leave the garage to people that actually know cars.

[Edited on September 22, 2009 at 12:15 PM. Reason : enjoy your shitbox saturn while you're at it.]

9/22/2009 12:13:34 PM

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"I'm sorry, I meant to refer to new cars built, not all clunkers and junkers on the road."

EVIDENCE, MOTHERFUCKER, DO YOU HAVE ANY?

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"That is obvious, I didn't don't pick my words very well. I admit my original statements war are definitely wrong."

fixed it for you, dumbass

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"But you can fuck off with these ad hominem attacks."

struck a nerve, eh? ashamed of those late-night drunken BJ's from your bros?

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"My degree's in mechanical engineering and I took courses in automotive engineering and the internal combustion engine."

more evidence that ncsu is going down the crapper, when an environmental toxicologist can spot your utter bullshit without googling

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"I've forgotten more about cars than you'll ever know. So you can STFU and go back to The Lounge where you belong and talk about your job where you wander around the wilderness and call it work. Leave the garage to people that actually know cars."

until you provide some evidence to back up the complete shit you like to spew as fact, i'll assume that you've forgotten EVERYTHING about cars that you ever "learned"

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"enjoy your shitbox saturn while you're at it."

oh, damn, you went there?

look, let's be honest, kid...i won't pretend to be a mechanical guru, which is why i actually RESEARCH and ASK QUESTIONS when i don't know an answer...that's the difference between you and me, sport...you make up bullshit to seem cool and then fluster around screaming at the top of your intarweb lungs that you have degrees when someone calls you on the most obvious of your horse pucky...i suggest you do one of two things:

1.) provide some evidence for your claims, or
2.) quietly leave the thread to the adults who use common sense on a regular basis

i suspect you'll go with option 3, though:

3.) continue to say things that are obviously untrue while using your "degrees" as the sole source of evidence and desperately hope that you have any dignity left when this thread finally gets laid to rest

EDIT: i'll tell you what...if you can show me A SINGLE consumer-level, widely-available car in this country or any other that achieves PERFECT COMBUSTION, i'll admit defeat...just one, man...that's all i'm asking for

[Edited on September 22, 2009 at 2:15 PM. Reason : seriously, dude...that's all you need...JUST ONE]

9/22/2009 2:05:49 PM

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"I took courses in automotive engineering"

rofl klang's auto engr class is useless

9/22/2009 2:08:22 PM

^^I already admitted my statement was wrong so your bashing is pointless. Go troll somewhere else.

^you know what they say, if you don't use it you lose it

9/22/2009 2:31:23 PM

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"I already admitted my statement was wrong so your bashing is pointless. Go troll somewhere else."

oh boy, you responded! i was afraid you'd pussy out...unfortunately, i still require that you stand by your stupid statements (i mean the ones that you have yet to acknowledge as being retarded)

you said:

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"I'm sorry, I meant to refer to new cars built, not all clunkers and junkers on the road."

okay, then, perhaps i didn't make myself clear...find me ONE FUCKING CAR EVEN NEARING PRODUCTION that achieves perfect combustion...please? i'm dying to know what new cars these are! who's making them? toyota or honda or ford or GM? kia? please, some evidence that doesn't make you look like a backpedaling buffoon?

9/22/2009 2:40:21 PM

Peak oil ignorance ITT.

9/22/2009 2:50:24 PM

Tuff poasters ITT

9/22/2009 3:03:36 PM

The bare minimum emission requirement for vehicles sold in the US from 1994-2003 was the Low Emission Vehicle standard. This required cars to emit no more than 75lbs of CO and 4lbs of NOx into the air, per 10,000 miles driven. That's pretty good, and a lot of cars were much cleaner than that. Since 2003 the requirement for LEV has gone up and more than cut those amounts in half.

My current car, an S2000, is ULEV II certified which means it can emit no more than 19lbs of CO per 10,000 miles driven. Given that its rated at roughly 236g/km CO2 that works out to 0.8375lb/mile of CO2 So over 10,000 miles it emits around 8,375lbs of CO2 and 19 (or less) lbs of CO. The CO amount works out to 2 tenths of a percentage point of the amount of CO2 emitted.

Given that my car is by no means one of the cleanest on the road built in the last decade I don't think its a stretch to say MOST cars on the road are pretty damn clean.

9/22/2009 3:09:55 PM

The Lexus is also ULEV II. Good to know what that stuff means... Thanks man, I appreciate that post



[Edited on September 22, 2009 at 3:17 PM. Reason : ]

9/22/2009 3:16:42 PM

Don't forget SULEV's. They emit less than 1lb of hydrocarbons over 100,000 miles of driving. And cars ranging from a Honda Accord to a BMW 325i meet this standard.

Of course, these are mainly just cars built within the last 5 years.

9/22/2009 3:19:39 PM

so are you admitting yet that it is absolutely, without doubt, retarded to claim that ANY car achieves perfect combustion? because all i see is you talking about cleaner cars, backpedaling as fast as possible about your asinine and ignorant statements stemming from a egotistical misconception that you know what the fuck you're talking about

congratulations, you've pointed out that cars are cleaner now than they were 10 years ago...did you also know that they're safer? did you know that they have new paint options? what other stupidly obvious things do you need to point out to make up for the fact that you still don't know what the fuck perfect combustion is?

9/22/2009 5:53:01 PM

look you tool, its pretty fucking obvious that most modern cars come pretty damn close.

at least close enough for gov't work

9/22/2009 6:17:32 PM

Direct Injection FTW!

9/22/2009 6:59:41 PM

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"look you tool, its pretty fucking obvious that most modern cars come pretty damn close."

i guess my problem with you is you waltz in here, decide to piss on actual evidence in favor of your OBVIOUSLY baseless OPINION, and then act like I'M the tool because i get sick and tired of frat boy cocksuckers thinking they know shit when it's obvious that you spent more time cuddling with your brothers after a fuck session than studying something that you claim to know so well

your original claim is that 99.9% of cars on the road achieve perfect combustion is more like 0.0%, so next time you start to use numbers, PLEASE understand what those numbers MEAN...you're too fucking stupid to argue with because you still seem to think you know what you're talking about, when the truth is that a simple google search by someone with a background in toxicology can school you about it...good luck in the real world, kid...keep up this game of making up information that's blatantly wrong and it's going to bite you in your preppy ass

i'm done with you, though...i've decided there's not jack shit you can offer that can't be found in a 30-second google search, so i'm pretty sure your contributions are useless...when someone that supposedly knows less than you've forgotten can teach you better than 4 (or 5 or 6 or however many) years of college can, i realized that you're just one of those posters that are better off ignored in favor of those in this section that actually know what they're talking about without 2 pages of backpedaling

[Edited on September 23, 2009 at 7:51 AM. Reason : .]

9/23/2009 7:46:34 AM

so... Toyota's 2GR-FSE V6 uses a more advanced direct injection system, which combines both direct and indirect injection using two fuel injectors per cylinder, a traditional port fuel injector (low pressure) and a direct fuel injector (high pressure). Can't wait until the tuner crowd takes advantage of this setup and make this a beastly 500hp+ "sports" sedan. Doubt it'll be ULEV II friendly though

[Edited on September 23, 2009 at 8:55 AM. Reason : .]

9/23/2009 8:52:57 AM

^^lol, okay man. Shame on me for not remembering exactly what ULEV meant. I shouldn't have thrown away my note cards on that

I've always wondered about the lifespan of fuel injectors, and how reliable the new higher pressure direct injection injectors will be. My integra's still on its original injectors 280k miles deep.

Are these things usually good for the life of the vehicle?

[Edited on September 23, 2009 at 9:06 AM. Reason : and even if they still work, would my performance/mileage improve if i replaced/rebuilt them?]

[Edited on September 23, 2009 at 9:09 AM. Reason : s]

9/23/2009 9:04:16 AM

lol

GO QUAG

[Edited on September 23, 2009 at 9:57 AM. Reason : ^no. and performance on that car is a joke anyways.. you aren't gonna notice lol]

9/23/2009 9:56:51 AM

it was mostly hypothetically speaking...at least for my integra

9/23/2009 11:27:00 AM

I would think that it would help restore some power back, just because they do get dirty and work less efficiently over time (uneven misting/spraying). But this is speculation. Unless you have some hesitation/misfiring issues, I think these are one of those "it either works or it doesn't" parts. Don't quote me.

[Edited on September 23, 2009 at 11:29 AM. Reason : ..]

9/23/2009 11:29:11 AM

Igor and Golovko, please enlighten me on the result at the refinery of cracking the crude oil then.

9/23/2009 6:06:12 PM

light trucks ftw

10/16/2009 2:05:02 PM