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11/9/2008 3:55:45 PM

aaand we back

11/9/2008 3:55:50 PM

someone needs to show me acutal medical sources that show these occurances of the mixing of ammonia and bleach to be fatal.

11/9/2008 4:56:54 PM

well it produces chlorine gas which is the same gas killed people in the trenches in WWI

it obviously fatal

reaction: 2NaOCl + 2NH3 --> 2NaONH3 + Cl2 (chlorine gas)

or: 3NaOCl + NH3 --> 3NaOH + NCl3 (explosive)

or: NH3 + NaOCl --> NaOH + NH2Cl then NH3 + NH2Cl + NaOH -->N2H4 + NaCl + H2O then 2NH2Cl + N2H4 --> 2 NH4Cl + N2 (N2H4 is part of rocket fuel and the last reaction in the series is highly exothermic)

[Edited on November 9, 2008 at 5:20 PM. Reason : 

11/9/2008 5:12:58 PM

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"they also don't remove other smells, they simply attempt to overpower them. Often the car smells worse than if it had just been left alone."

Quote :

"I fucking HATE cherry. I mean I motherfucking HATE cherry. I hate the smell, I hate the taste, etc. It will literally make me gag and vomit."

It's not a perfume to cover up the smell...per their website:

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"ClenAir is not a strong perfume that masks odors - it actually attacks the odor causing compounds and eliminates the odors leaving only the unique, mild, ClenAir freshness behind."

Also, the original ClenAir is unscented if you don't want the cherry stuff.

[Edited on November 9, 2008 at 9:16 PM. Reason : l]

11/9/2008 9:14:37 PM

mix rubbing alcohol and ammonia

spray the hell outa whatever you need. just dont inhale it, you might pass out

11/9/2008 9:58:47 PM

Quote :

"well it produces chlorine gas which is the same gas killed people in the trenches in WWI it obviously fatal"

Well, there is the viable source citation I needed.

The other day while Googling this shit, I found two links to medical journals that mentioned that contrary to popular belief, the mixing of household bleach and ammonia is very rarely fatal. Of course lots of websites for stupid people, like "yahoo answers" claimed it can "kill yuo".
Also, show me where it says WWI era chlorine gas bombs were made with household bleach and ammonia?

11/9/2008 11:07:15 PM

god damn niggers...
if you drink the shit maybe it will kill you.
haha

ive worked around cholrine, ammonia, batt'ry acid... and a buncha other crap for a loooong time.

i might not be right, but im not dead

11/9/2008 11:12:46 PM

^^ http://www.chestjournal.org/cgi/reprint/69/3/372.pdf

http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=4795&page=289

i just found these, i didnt read them

[Edited on November 9, 2008 at 11:26 PM. Reason : 

11/9/2008 11:25:14 PM

Quote :

"didnt read them"

keep trying

11/10/2008 8:41:02 AM

First article is a lady mixing Liquid plum-r, Draino, Baking Soda, and Clorox. Does not apply to what I have been saying.

11/10/2008 8:45:46 AM

Second article

Quote :

"The patient had worked for 2 h in a chlorine-filled enclosed environment without a protective respirator mask."

Also not relevant to what I have been saying.

11/10/2008 8:48:29 AM

ok

11/10/2008 9:03:54 AM

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"It's not a perfume to cover up the smell...per their website:"

Bullshit. Oh and it still smells like god damned cherry.

11/10/2008 9:56:25 AM

Quote :

"the original ClenAir is unscented if you don't want the cherry stuff."

11/10/2008 12:22:45 PM

But does the cantaloupe trick work?

Personally, I smoke in vehicles to get the other nasty smells out.

11/10/2008 12:38:25 PM

^^

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"Bullshit. Oh and it still smells like god damned cherry."

11/10/2008 12:49:17 PM

I am probably the only one here with training and certifications for working with chlorine. the process mentioned on the previous page, while probably not enough to be fatal, could very well cause respiratory problems and leave your car smelling like chlorine. especially for passengers with sensitive lungs, this would at the minimum be annoying. I would make it a last resort if I even did it at all.

11/10/2008 3:25:42 PM

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"could"

STFU poolboy, people have been doing this for years.

11/10/2008 3:33:12 PM

^^ Well, mixing ammonia and bleach isn't really "working with chlorine." We all know your job has NEVER had you working with chlorine gas, EVER. It's a deadly gas that's capable of causing discomfort at best and death at worst. Somewhere in between the two is vomiting and lung damage.

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"Chlorine [gas] can react with water in the mucosa of the lungs to form hydrochloric acid."

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"Chlorine [gas] is detectable in concentrations of as low as 1 ppm. Coughing and vomiting may occur at 30 ppm and lung damage at 60 ppm. About 1000 ppm can be fatal after a few deep breaths of the gas."

11/10/2008 3:52:14 PM

mix sodium hypochlorite and sulfuric or muriatic acid, or dissolve some tri-chlor in a pressure vessel and tell me what you get. chlorine gas is rarely used as a disenfectant in this area, but there are lots of ways that it gets created in pump rooms and chemical rooms. i have to use my respirator quite often, and have been caught without it a few times. i've seen people go to the hospital because of chlorine gas and i have personally been knocked unconcious by it.

[Edited on November 10, 2008 at 4:32 PM. Reason : .]

11/10/2008 4:24:02 PM

BLAH BLAH BLAH SON.

11/10/2008 7:25:40 PM

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"mixing Liquid plum-r, Draino, Baking Soda, and Clorox"

holy fucking christ, sounds like she was either trying to commit suicide or produce meth

11/11/2008 4:42:29 AM

dont forget the bits of aluminum foil and vinegar as well

11/11/2008 11:57:07 AM

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"I am probably the only one here with training and certifications for working with chlorine."

nope. i've had my cpo since '97.

and then this:

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"mix sodium hypochlorite and sulfuric or muriatic acid, or dissolve some tri-chlor in a pressure vessel and tell me what you get. chlorine gas is rarely used as a disenfectant in this area, but there are lots of ways that it gets created in pump rooms and chemical rooms. i have to use my respirator quite often, and have been caught without it a few times. i've seen people go to the hospital because of chlorine gas and i have personally been knocked unconcious by it."

are you sure you're certified? the certification program was started to prevent shit like this.

11/11/2008 4:19:27 PM

oh shit

POOL BOY FIGHT!

11/12/2008 10:11:36 AM

^^ Exactly, that kid is full of it son.

11/12/2008 10:38:38 AM

okay, so it's been what, like 3-4 weeks or something since i did it? A+++, would do again. at first it just smelled kinda like a pool in there. not a bad smell, but not good. now that it's had time to air out well, and "settle" in, it's just a nice, fresh, clean smell. much like a white t-shirt you bleached. the only thing i might do different is cycle the hvac a little while it's in there or just afterwards to get any funk out of there. i can't imagine any entrenched smell would have a chance against this stuff.

i will say be very careful. when i was pulling the mixture out, i accidently caught a very small whiff. it about put my on my ass. make sure you can hold you breath well (i can sit on the bottom of a pool for a minute) or get a gas mask. i was on crutches at the time though, so i know the rest of you can get in/out of there much faster than me. just to be safe, i disposed of the whole container and its contents. dunno if it matters, maybe you can just pour it out in your driveway, i don't know. i just took and empty milkjug, stuck a funnel in it, and poured the contents in. still not sure what i'm going to do with that. any ideas chemical people? i used a plastic bathroom type trashcan to sit in the car. i just threw that away.


[Edited on December 10, 2008 at 1:16 PM. Reason : oh, and the knock you on your ass gas is still there when you remove it! not just as you mix!]

12/10/2008 1:14:06 PM

told yall so!!!!!!!!!!!

12/10/2008 1:24:47 PM

yep. i know it worked right after i did it to get rid of the mold funk, it was just a matter of whether or not it would smell like a pool from now on. finally faded though. then, putting my new seats in helped even more with that nice new leather smell.

it killed the hell out of that mold too. stuff was all bright green and crystalized, then it turned to just dark brown flat spots. one quick wipe with a cloth and it was gone. hasn't tried to come back at all either.

12/10/2008 1:32:53 PM

chlorine gas FTW

let me know before you do the suburban, I have a pair of shoes that got wet while pressurewashing, and contracted some super space alien funk.

12/10/2008 2:55:20 PM

just bought a van to haul my bikes in. I'll be trying this over the weekend.

12/10/2008 3:59:10 PM

^^LOL i had some shoes i was going to toss in too, haha. the burb is over in the garage at my house right now, but we'll do it friday/saturday or something.

[Edited on December 10, 2008 at 4:55 PM. Reason : .]

12/10/2008 4:54:43 PM

bumpity

10/26/2009 8:40:02 AM

a friend's mom spilled a latte in the car and left it all day during the fair. it smelled like death in there. tried this with lavender scented bleach to see if that helped. totally killed whatever disgusting bacteria smell was in the car. I put in some cantalope slices in beds of baking soda for a day or so and cycled the hvac for 30min off and on. the car smells fantastic now. she really liked the lavender smell so I took a few lavender dryer sheets and wove them through the vents and told her to drive a couple days with the air on circulate.

A+++++ would do again

10/26/2009 8:48:19 AM

^ the real question is, did you hit it?

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"I am probably the only one here with training and certifications for working with chlorine"

Do you work with railcar quantities everyday? or maintain an industrial psm system in a 3000 ton per day bleached pulp mill? or maintain a chlorine dioxide generator?

there are a lot more applications than pools

[Edited on October 26, 2009 at 1:01 PM. Reason : lmao]

10/26/2009 12:54:30 PM

had to occupy our time while it was airing out

10/26/2009 12:58:32 PM

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"nope. i've had my cpo since '97"

i'm a cpo instructor, the class doesn't cover anything about this stuff. your instructor should have made that clear. the training i've had is all outside NSPF, mostly from hazardous materials, hazcom, and osha courses. i'll stand by my statement that the method on the previous page could cause respiratory problems for people with sensitive lungs.

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"there are a lot more applications than pools "

no shit?

[Edited on October 26, 2009 at 1:13 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2009 1:12:28 PM

point is, if you can smell it, its not strong enough to be dangerous

over 3 ppm, you can't smell it and it takes at least 5-10 ppm to be irritating to the eyes, 30 to cause nasuea and vomiting, and well over 350 ppm to be deadly

a suburban for example would have about 144 cubic feet and it would take .00072ft^3 of chlorine to cause irritation in the vehicle

it would take about 16 ounces of each, at an ambient temp of 120 degrees completely sealed for 17 days to reach that level

10/26/2009 1:41:06 PM

i hadn't crunched the numbers, but i said before that the levels would not be high enough to be serious so i'm not surprised. acute irritation can occur around .5ppm (see OSHA PEL, NIOSH REL, ACGIH STEL), but thats not the point, its typically not the cl2 that causes the irritation.

10/26/2009 2:45:31 PM

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"acute irritation can occur around .5ppm "

averaged over an 8hr exposure, sounds like you need to pay a little more attention, or just concede that you are not an expert in the matter, nor an engineer that deals with process safety management on a daily basis

10/26/2009 2:50:26 PM

ok i'm sorry, the STEL is 1ppm



[Edited on October 26, 2009 at 2:52 PM. Reason : and i never claimed to be an expert, only to have the training required to deal with the stuff safel]

10/26/2009 2:51:46 PM

Majestic Solutions has a product now that has a similar effect as the chlorine and ammonia. It's called auto vaccine. I just bought some from there and used it about a week ago. My car had a strong dog smell from a previous owner. It killed everything. I left the cup in the car over night and ran my vents for 20 min the next morning, then let the car air out. Now my car has absolutely no smell. Smelled like a pool for a couple days, but after that it just smelled clean. Try it out if you'd rather not risk death.
http://www.earthority.com/healthcare/disinfect/autovaccine/autovaccine.php

10/26/2009 7:55:03 PM

that is chlorine dioxide, you can make it yourself with sulfuric acid, methonal, and chlorate

[Edited on October 28, 2009 at 7:21 AM. Reason : or you can get some from the lab at paper science]

10/28/2009 7:20:26 AM

bttt per request

1/5/2012 7:45:50 PM

OK so I did this yesterday with 3qt bleach and 2qt ammonia. I am fixing up a flood car and needed to bomb the mold/mildew so it could be cleaned out without coming back. Let it sit for an hour in the car with the doors shut, then let it air out for 5 minutes, no problems at all, no strong fumes, I may do it one more time once the interior is all reinstalled but yeah this is an awesome trick. Just dont fuck up.

1/6/2012 10:21:59 AM

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001LMWQ44/ref=oh_o01_s00_i00_details

1/6/2012 11:10:57 AM

^^ I forgot to post props to you in this thread, or maybe I didn't. Anyway, an ex-gf had her mom forget about a latte in the car and since it was mostly milk and summer time it molded and smelled like asshole. I did this in a 1:1 ratio with just 1 qt of each, first sealed for a few hours, then with the fan on with it sealed for an hour, then with the doors open and a box fan in the doorway to vent it. put a plate of cantalope and baking soda in the backseat and trunk and the smell was gone. for good measure I took a dryer sheet and braided it in one of the AC vents and it gave the car a nice fresh laundry smell. I also stuck some nasty shoes and skates in there during the process to get the funk out with success.

[Edited on January 6, 2012 at 5:30 PM. Reason : just read this page...]

1/6/2012 5:29:16 PM