lmao faggot marriage

6/11/2008 7:47:39 PM

^ On that we can agree. We don't need that ^^ bullshit in this thread or TSB, dnl.

In any event. . .

Potential VP candidate addresses Confederacy views

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"WASHINGTON (CNN) — Sen. Jim Webb of Virginia – someone widely considered to be on the shortlist as a possible running mate with Sen. Barack Obama – again defended his views on the Confederacy during an interview with CNN's John Roberts. Webb has argued in an essay, his book, and in a 1990 speech that the issue of state sovereignty rather than slavery was the 'driving issue' for Confederate soldiers in fighting in the Civil War. Many historians, however, have argued that slavery, not states' rights, was the motivating force behind the Civil War. In his interview with CNN, Webb said his comments about the Confederacy were as a historian dealing with a complex subject. 'Only 5 percent of the whites owned slaves in the height of slavery,' Webb said. 'The people in the North were never asked to give up their slaves even with the Emancipation Proclamation. 'Looking at military service as a citizen during that time, the issue was loyalty to your community, the same way it is when people are being sent to Iraq today,' Webb said. 'And that's a complicated issue. It's being obviously simplified in some form but I'm happy to discuss it and comfortable with my views on it.' Webb was criticized for his views on the Confederacy during his Senate run in 2006. Now that Webb's name is being circulated as a potential running mate, the blogosphere is again raising concerns that Webb may be unacceptable to voters if invited to join the Democratic ticket. The Virginia Democrat is seen as an attractive complement to Sen. Obama given his opposition to the Iraq war and strong national security credentials. Webb, a Vietnam veteran and a former secretary of the Navy under President Ronald Reagan, however, said during his CNN interview that he was not seeking his party's vice presidential nomination."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/06/11/potential-vp-candidate-addresses-confederacy-views/

Note well that Chicken Noodle News made no specific mention of Webb being a Democrat until the next-to-last paragraph. Had this been a Republican, it would've been in the headline--bank on it.

I wonder if NBC's Andrea Mitchell will call Webb a "redneck"? Oops--wrong party for that to happen.

I'm guessing Webb ain't on the shortlist for VP anymore.

[Edited on June 11, 2008 at 8:08 PM. Reason : .]

6/11/2008 8:00:49 PM

I'm not sure he ever was given that thing he wrote in 1979 about how women shouldn't be allowed in the military

6/11/2008 10:07:49 PM

I was taught in middle school that slavery was one of many issues, and may not have been the primary issue, of the civil war. I don't see why the media is making such a huge deal of this. Especially since John McCain himself voted against making MLK day a holiday, and then supported un-making it a holiday. McCain somehow is suited for president, but webb, for writing an essay, is not even suited to be considered Obama's candidate?

And if Obama is the one working with him, why isn't Obama's support of him enough to override any undertones that Webb might hate blacks? This seems like a dumb thing for the right to pick on.

6/12/2008 12:33:03 AM

god man this webb guy almost seems too good to be true for real.....can you imagine how awesome it would be if obama and this guy got together...a white guy from virginia that seems to not hate the confederate flag being the vice to a half negro...god the media would eat that shit up...and a lot of dumb racist whites would too

[Edited on June 12, 2008 at 12:46 AM. Reason : that worked in reagans cabinet...hes just the guy these pa, wv, kentucky people need]

6/12/2008 12:40:12 AM

^ Suck on this, you dumb motherfucker. GTFO.

Johnson resigns from Obama's veep vetting team

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"WASHINGTON (AP) — A former CEO leading Barack Obama's search for a vice presidential candidate resigned abruptly Wednesday after questions about his home mortgage deals became a distraction for a candidate who argues he's not influenced by special interests. Jim Johnson's resignation came a day after Obama defended Johnson and dismissed the Republican criticism of him [FLIP-FLOP!]. 'I am not vetting my V.P. search committee for their mortgages,' Obama said Tuesday. He accepted Johnson's resignation on Wednesday, leaving the search at least temporarily in the hands of two other prominent Democratic attorneys who also had been scouting candidates — former Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder and Caroline Kennedy. 'Jim did not want to distract in any way from the very important task of gathering information about my vice presidential nominee, so he has made a decision to step aside that I accept,' Obama said. 'We have a very good selection process under way, and I am confident that it will produce a number of highly qualified candidates for me to choose from in the weeks ahead.' Johnson, the former chairman of mortgage lender Fannie Mae, came under fire from GOP candidate John McCain and the Republican Party after The Wall Street Journal reported last Saturday that Johnson got mortgages with help from the CEO of Countrywide Financial Corp. McCain had accused Obama of hypocrisy for speaking out against Countrywide's role in the subprime mortgage crisis. Obama's campaign declined to say whether he would replace Johnson, who also led the vice presidential search effort for Democratic nominee John Kerry in 2004 and Walter Mondale in 1984. Obama said he was grateful for Johnson's service. Johnson's resignation may allow Obama to move ahead with the search process without the criticism surrounding him, but it also could make it appear that the campaign quickly caved under pressure. The resignation touched off a series of accusations between the two campaigns about which candidate has more tainted advisers and better judgment about who to surround himself with. Obama's campaign has had varying responses when controversy has focused on those around him. Foreign policy adviser Samantha Power left within hours of calling Hillary Rodham Clinton a 'monster.' Obama was initially reluctant to disavow his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, after video of racially explosive sermons emerged. And he kept leading economic adviser Austan Goolsbee on board amid controversy surrounding his private comments on free trade. At least five McCain staffers have left his campaign after a Democratic uproar over McCain's connections to lobbyists. McCain responded by banning registered lobbyists serving his campaign but has defended two of his top advisers — Rick Davis and Charlie Black — who left their lobbying jobs to work for his presidential bid. Johnson and Holder held meetings this week with lawmakers on Capitol Hill to seek their input on possible running mate candidates. Obama said Tuesday that Johnson had a 'discrete task' and was performing it well. He suggested the Countrywide connection was not a problem since Johnson was an unpaid volunteer and hadn't been assigned to work in a future administration. Kerry, a prominent Obama supporter, told reporters earlier Wednesday that Johnson had done an outstanding job of gathering information for him four years ago and keeping it private. He declined to say whether he'd recommended that Obama keep Johnson on amid the controversy."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j-8g-0SMVRbSScyiKVhLBMgyYVAQD9185T700

It's amateur hour in the Obama campaign.

[Edited on June 12, 2008 at 12:51 AM. Reason : .]

6/12/2008 12:49:54 AM

Quote :

"Suck on this, you dumb motherfucker. GTFO."

duke can you please do something about hooksaws insults...this is very common now a days

6/12/2008 1:03:13 AM

Quote :

"duke can you please do something about hooksaws insults...this is very common now a days"

I'm just sick and tired of you screwing up threads with your stupidity. GTFO and don't come back.

6/12/2008 1:06:13 AM

i'm sick of you hijacking your own threads just to insult people...i contribute and you start to troll.....typical

6/12/2008 1:07:58 AM

Johnson resigns from Obama's veep vetting team

Quote :

"WASHINGTON (AP) — A former CEO leading Barack Obama's search for a vice presidential candidate resigned abruptly Wednesday after questions about his home mortgage deals became a distraction for a candidate who argues he's not influenced by special interests. Jim Johnson's resignation came a day after Obama defended Johnson and dismissed the Republican criticism of him. 'I am not vetting my V.P. search committee for their mortgages,' Obama said Tuesday. He accepted Johnson's resignation on Wednesday, leaving the search at least temporarily in the hands of two other prominent Democratic attorneys who also had been scouting candidates — former Deputy Attorney General Eric Holder and Caroline Kennedy. 'Jim did not want to distract in any way from the very important task of gathering information about my vice presidential nominee, so he has made a decision to step aside that I accept,' Obama said. 'We have a very good selection process under way, and I am confident that it will produce a number of highly qualified candidates for me to choose from in the weeks ahead.' Johnson, the former chairman of mortgage lender Fannie Mae, came under fire from GOP candidate John McCain and the Republican Party after The Wall Street Journal reported last Saturday that Johnson got mortgages with help from the CEO of Countrywide Financial Corp. McCain had accused Obama of hypocrisy for speaking out against Countrywide's role in the subprime mortgage crisis. Obama's campaign declined to say whether he would replace Johnson, who also led the vice presidential search effort for Democratic nominee John Kerry in 2004 and Walter Mondale in 1984. Obama said he was grateful for Johnson's service. Johnson's resignation may allow Obama to move ahead with the search process without the criticism surrounding him, but it also could make it appear that the campaign quickly caved under pressure. The resignation touched off a series of accusations between the two campaigns about which candidate has more tainted advisers and better judgment about who to surround himself with. Obama's campaign has had varying responses when controversy has focused on those around him. Foreign policy adviser Samantha Power left within hours of calling Hillary Rodham Clinton a 'monster.' Obama was initially reluctant to disavow his pastor, Jeremiah Wright, after video of racially explosive sermons emerged. And he kept leading economic adviser Austan Goolsbee on board amid controversy surrounding his private comments on free trade. At least five McCain staffers have left his campaign after a Democratic uproar over McCain's connections to lobbyists. McCain responded by banning registered lobbyists serving his campaign but has defended two of his top advisers — Rick Davis and Charlie Black — who left their lobbying jobs to work for his presidential bid. Johnson and Holder held meetings this week with lawmakers on Capitol Hill to seek their input on possible running mate candidates. Obama said Tuesday that Johnson had a 'discrete task' and was performing it well. He suggested the Countrywide connection was not a problem since Johnson was an unpaid volunteer and hadn't been assigned to work in a future administration. Kerry, a prominent Obama supporter, told reporters earlier Wednesday that Johnson had done an outstanding job of gathering information for him four years ago and keeping it private. He declined to say whether he'd recommended that Obama keep Johnson on amid the controversy."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j-8g-0SMVRbSScyiKVhLBMgyYVAQD9185T700

It's amateur month in the McCain campaign.

[Edited on June 12, 2008 at 12:51 AM. Reason : .] :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

6/12/2008 1:10:38 AM

^^ You contribute nothing.

^

Quote :

". . .after a Democratic uproar. . . ."

[Edited on June 12, 2008 at 1:25 AM. Reason : PS: ]

6/12/2008 1:25:27 AM

Either way the Jim Johnson thing looks bad but it's not like he was advising anyone on policy or actively involved with the campaign in any way other than running background checks on VP candidates. He was probably only picked because he'd done the same thing for Kerry and had a bunch of info already scouted out. To which you'll say BUT HE HAD SHADY BUSINESS DEALINGS WHERE IS THE POLITICS OF HOPE but that's life I guess.

To respond to one point in that article though, I still think Samantha Power was absolutely right to call Hillary a monster and it makes me sad that she ever had to resign over that in the first place.

6/12/2008 1:40:29 AM

^ Let your true Hillary-hating colors shine through, Obamacrat. That's fine.

But you are missing my point--the point:

Quote :

"Jim Johnson's resignation came a day after Obama defended Johnson and dismissed the Republican criticism of him [FLIP-FLOP!]. "

Obama comes out strong on a given position. At some point, he caves for what appears to be political expediency--you know, a. . .

flip-flop

Quote :

"a sudden or unexpected reversal, as of direction, belief, attitude, or policy."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/flip-flop

6/12/2008 1:57:12 AM

Oh I see

Well I guess you got him on that one, congrats

6/12/2008 2:09:25 AM

^ Man, it's not about me doing a "Gotcha!" on Obama concerning this issue or that. It's about Obama--the supposedly new kind of candidate--using an old political practice: putting his finger in the wind to see which way it's blowing.

Look, I've pretty much resigned myself to the fact that Obama's going to win in November--and, yes, the fact that he's black is and will be historic and long overdue. But I simply don't support Obama's positions--and I actually think he may be dangerous for the future of our country.

The flip-flops are just one measure of Obama. But they combine to form an important measure, I think.

6/12/2008 2:32:04 AM

The Politics of Spare Change
Even $85 million wasn't enough to get Barack Obama to keep his promise.

Quote :

"BARACK OBAMA isn't abandoning his pledge to take public financing for the general election campaign because it's in his political interest. Certainly not. He isn't about to become the first candidate since Watergate to run an election fueled entirely with private money because he will be able to raise far more that way than the mere $85 million he'd get if he stuck to his promise -- and with which his Republican opponent, John McCain, will have to make do. No, Mr. Obama, or so he would have you believe, is forgoing the money because he is so committed to public financing. Really, it hurts him more than it hurts Fred Wertheimer. Pardon the sarcasm. But given Mr. Obama's earlier pledge to 'aggressively pursue' an agreement with the Republican nominee to accept public financing, his effort to cloak his broken promise in the smug mantle of selfless dedication to the public good is a little hard to take. 'It's not an easy decision, and especially because I support a robust system of public financing of elections,' Mr. Obama said in a video message to supporters. Mr. Obama didn't mention his previous proposal to take public financing if the Republican nominee agreed to do the same -- the one for which he received heaps of praise from campaign finance reform advocates such as Mr. Wertheimer, president of Democracy 21, and others, including us. He didn't mention, as he told the Federal Election Commission last year in seeking to preserve the option, that 'Congress concluded some thirty years ago that the public funding alternative . . . would serve core purposes in the public interest: limiting the escalation of campaign spending and the associated pressures on candidates to raise, at the expense of time devoted to public dialogue, ever vaster sums of money.' Instead, he cast his abandonment of the system as a bold good-government move. 'This is our moment, and our country is depending on us,' he said. 'So join me, and declare your independence from this broken system and let's build the first general election campaign that's truly funded by the American people.' Sure, and if the Founding Fathers were around today, they'd have bundlers, too. Mr. Obama had an opportunity here to demonstrate that he really is a different kind of politician, willing to put principles and the promises he has made above political calculation. He made a different choice, and anyone can understand why: He's going to raise a ton of money. Mr. McCain played games with taking federal matching funds for the primaries until it turned out he didn't need them, and he had a four-month head start in the general election while Mr. Obama was still battling for the nomination. Outside groups are going to come after him. He has thousands of small donors along with his big bundlers. And so on. Fine. Politicians do what politicians need to do. But they ought to spare us the self-congratulatory back-patting while they're doing it."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/19/AR2008061903026.html

Yet another. . .FLIP-FLOP!

6/21/2008 2:45:43 PM

^ It's too bad McCain doesn't attract the type of supporters that are good with web video editing. You could easily make "Real Obama" video with all this flip-flopping he's been doing lately. His floating position on Iraq is only the worst of it. Now there's NAFTA, public finance, etc etc.

[Edited on June 21, 2008 at 3:58 PM. Reason : ``]

6/21/2008 3:57:19 PM

i dont get the big deal on obama not wanting the free 85 million...other than it hasnt been done since watergate you'd think he killed someone

6/21/2008 7:15:03 PM

^ Too stupid to grasp the point, I see. Let me help: OBAMA ROUTINELY SAYS ONE THING AND THEN DOES ANOTHER--YOU KNOW, FLIP-FLOPS!!!1

Get it now?

6/21/2008 10:42:24 PM

yeah but i thought flip flops only mattered if it was important

6/21/2008 10:50:44 PM

^

Quote :

"Too stupid to grasp the point, I see. Let me help: OBAMA ROUTINELY SAYS ONE THING AND THEN DOES ANOTHER--YOU KNOW, FLIP-FLOPS!!!1"

STFU, troll. When Obama says one thing and does another, that's what's important.

6/21/2008 10:54:13 PM

yeah but i mean big whoop hes not taking public money...sounds like hes saving the gov 85 million doll hairs to me

[Edited on June 21, 2008 at 11:02 PM. Reason : i think him saving the gov. that money is threadworthy]

6/21/2008 10:58:39 PM

^ DNL,

The virtues of the public finance system have been well articulated by Obama himself. 1) It helps mitigate the influence of big donners on policy by reducing (though not eliminating) the candidate's dependence on them 2) by opting to accept public funding, the candidates also agree to restrictions on their spending (theoretically, so the election will be decided more by issues than who has the most and best commercials).

Even if you think Obama is a saint and will remain above influence (he's obviously stuck to his principles so well on NAFTA and public financing) opting out of shows disrespect for the system and will make it easier for *gulp* Evil Republicans to do next election.

[Edited on June 21, 2008 at 11:58 PM. Reason : ``]

6/21/2008 11:34:07 PM

His latest stance on public financing reminds me alot of Hillary and her views with florida and michigan. When he thought it would benefit him he was all for the limits, since republicans usually have the most money. Now, that he is having record donations and his fundraising is one of his best advantages.. he changes his mind. Really not a big deal in politics.. just a big deal when you keep calling yourself the agent of change and not the politics of old...which is do whatever it takes to get elected.. and that is exactly what he is doing.

I dont think any republicans are faulting what he is doing, its good strategy. I think we are just waiting for one of his supporters to even acknowledge the double talk. Most seem to be so emotionally invested in him that they arent intelectually honest with themselves. That is scary when elected the most powerful position in the world. (and i didnt mention his spending proposals either )

6/22/2008 8:22:47 AM

^ come on lets be fair. It only makes sense that the messiah of change regularly does so with his positions.

6/22/2008 1:28:51 PM

Obama said he'd agree to public financing IF McCain would reign in the McCain-affiliated 527 groups. McCain simply didn't do this. Obama, on the other hand, did not pursue the negotiations nearly as aggressively as he should have.

This, of course, is making a mountain out of a molehill when you consider McCain's sketchy history with campaign finance in this election cycle. McCain was approved for federal matching funds last fall, took out a loan using those funds as collateral in November (the actual funds not being available until March), while the campaign flat-out lied and asserted he was doing no such thing. By March, McCain is blowing past the spending limits allowed by candidates received public financing. He sent a letter to the FEC in February asking to withdraw from public financing, but the Bush administration coupled with Congress (I'm not going to lay the blame on either one of them as it lays outside the purview of this argument) had crippled the FEC (like so many other commissions in the past seven years) making it unable to vote on the matter one way or the other.

Quote :

"But Federal Election Commission Chairman David Mason wrote McCain's campaign last month to alert him that the commission had not yet granted his Feb. 6 request to withdraw, and that the commission would first need to vote on the matter. A snag: The FEC has four vacancies and therefore lacks a quorum to consider the matter. There's little agreement on what the FEC would have done, had they been able to meet. In part, that's because McCain borrowed $4 million from a commercial bank, and promised to pay the money back through his fundraising efforts. If the campaign went badly, he told the bank, he would use future matching funds to help repay the loan. The rules say that candidates who use matching funds as collateral have to remain within the confines of the system. The Democratic National Committee filed a complaint to the FEC about McCain's actions, but without that quorum, evaluation of the complaint has been stalled."

What's really funny about the whole thing is that McCain is skirting the law that has his own fucking name on it.

6/22/2008 2:13:03 PM

Hooksaw...you shouldnt be so mad....OBAMA is going to take NC in Nov...and your little panzy ass attempts to knock him down are really laughable!!

6/22/2008 3:25:50 PM

Quote :

"Man, it's not about me doing a "Gotcha!" on Obama concerning this issue or that. "

Then why in the flying fuck did you bother to make this thread?

[Edited on June 22, 2008 at 4:34 PM. Reason : Surely you should make one for McCain, too. He's got his share of them as well.]

6/22/2008 4:33:39 PM

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"IF McCain would reign in the McCain-affiliated 527 groups. "

May I ask how you propose he does this?

Have you seen the new moveon ad with the baby?

6/22/2008 4:54:20 PM

Quote :

"I am a great believer in the public finance system. That is why I pledged that if John McCain was able to lift 50 pounds over his head or to jump 500 meters in the air, I would opt into the system that I am such a great believer in. Since Sen. McCain has refused to meet me half way on these points, I must opt of our great public finance system and spend huge, unprecedented amounts of cash in general election. Not because it beneifts me, but because it benefits our nation. YES WE CAN!"

- Barack Obama

6/22/2008 5:08:18 PM

^^

Quote :

"MoveOn, the advocacy group supporting Barack Obama, has decided to permanently shutter its 527 operation, partly in response to the Illinois Senator's insistence that such groups should not spend on his behalf during the general election, I've learned from the group's spokesperson. MoveOn's decision, which will dramatically impact the way it raises money on Obama's behalf, is yet another sign of how rapidly Obama is taking control of the apparatus that's gearing up on his behalf. By shuttering its 527, MoveOn is effectively killing its ability to raise money in huge chunks from labor unions, foundations, and big donors who would give over $5,000. The decision doesn't mean MoveOn will stop spending on Obama's behalf. Istead it will raise money exclusively with its political action committee, whose average donation is below $50 and will even be raising money with things like bake sales starting this weekend."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/20/moveon-to-close-its-527-i_n_108300.html

6/22/2008 6:38:21 PM

^ wow, that's great.

Only Obama could pull that off since most of his money already comes from the little people, unlike McCain.

6/22/2008 8:58:54 PM

Quote :

"Hooksaw...you shouldnt be so mad....OBAMA is going to take NC in Nov...and your little panzy ass attempts to knock him down are really laughable!!"

Wolfool98

If you're going to insult someone, at least do it correctly--"panzy" (sic) should be spelled "pansy," you foaming half-wit. And Obama likely will take North Carolina, regardless of my efforts, which consist mostly of simply voicing my opposition to his policies. I mean, for God's sake, man, it's not like I'm out picketing against Obama!

Quote :

"Then why in the flying fuck did you bother to make this thread? [Edited on June 22, 2008 at 4:34 PM. Reason : Surely you should make one for McCain, too. He's got his share of them as well.]"

StillFuckhead

That's the beauty of this site! Let me break it down for you: I am free to make threads as I choose and so are you! Wow!

But I see instead of, you know, actually making the type of McCain thread you suggested I make, you're satisfied to follow me around like a rabid puppy barking your shitty little comments. GG.

BTW, if this thread troubles you so, you're also free not to post in it. I recommend you take full advantage of that opportunity.

The dreaded double rolly:

6/23/2008 3:58:16 AM

I have a problem with Obama's flip-flop on publicly financed campaigns. He spent a good amount of time praising publicly financed elections in 2007, going as far as asking Republicans for a pledge to use the system in the '08 election. McCain accepted that pledge.

Now, it's clear that Obama would benefit more from opting out, so he's going back on his own pledge and repudiating a system that he praised for all of last year. Why? Because it benefits him politically. It smacks of the intellectual dishonesty and arrogance that we see all too often in politicians. "The end justifies the means" is the rationale that Obama supporters take when considering the issue. For me, it makes me question whether he really cares about reform at all. He had a great opportunity to take a principled stand, and instead decided to take a politically-calculated position that his money advantage will win him more votes, and that people won't care enough about the issue.



[Edited on June 23, 2008 at 6:00 AM. Reason : 2]

6/23/2008 5:52:30 AM

I wonder when people are going to wake up from the trance and see that the Obama way is just old-style politics dressed up as "change"--whatever that means. I'm guessing it'll be sometime post-November 2008.

Look, if you like Obama and you want to vote for him, fine--even though I disagree, I don't have a problem with that. But don't come around acting like he's so different in his approach and so on--that's just bullshit.

6/23/2008 6:09:20 AM

What should really scare Democrats is that Obama sounds just as sincere about opting out of the public finance system as he did about praising it. Ditto on NAFTA.

6/23/2008 9:49:15 AM

spooky, they say that, yet release that bs ad. Its double talk man, wake up.


prawn, good post. I agree 100%. Its not a bad move, I just want to hear ONE obama supporter call it for what it is. hypocrisy.

6/23/2008 9:54:01 AM

Quote :

"hypocrisy."

This is the foundation of all politics - it's how you get elected.


The people suffer in the end.

6/23/2008 9:56:44 AM

mccain may have "made the pledge", but then he shit all over it. why should obama assume he wouldn't continue to do the same?

6/23/2008 10:47:47 AM

he did?

6/23/2008 11:17:24 AM

yes. he completely ignored spending limits imposed when accepted public funding last fall to get a loan (which is also a little shady). he obviously is trying to skirt the law that has his name on it.

[Edited on June 23, 2008 at 11:24 AM. Reason : but it's probably the liberal media's fault there hasn't been more talk about it]

6/23/2008 11:23:20 AM

god forbid someone change their stance on something after more information has become available.

6/23/2008 11:23:56 AM

sarijoul,

It sounds like you don't read your own links. John McCain withdrew before he recieved matching funds. But given 4 vacancies on the FEC, they were able to vote on the matter. And as your own link indicates, how they would have voted is far from clear.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/03/21/mccain_blows_by_public_spendin.html

The DNC is wanting to make a stink about it, because well, it helps them politically. Kinda the same reason Obama has contradicted on public financing in the past. Which, surprise surprise, is exactly what another post from the same Washington Post blog says.
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/the_obama_pledge.html

6/23/2008 11:33:29 AM

my own link? wtf are you talking about?

not to mention:
he wanted to break his agreement, but he couldn't ask permission from the fec, so he just did it anyway? that makes sense. and no, you can't just back out of the public funding system when it is convenient. where obama may have broken a promise to mccain, mccain broke a law he helped write.

[Edited on June 23, 2008 at 1:13 PM. Reason : .]

6/23/2008 1:10:57 PM

The pundits have been predicting for months Obama would not do the public financing thing because he made those statements initially when he wasn't making any money from donors (and Hillary had a huge lead on him). It's pure delusion to pretend Obama has been talking up public financing when I think it was back in January when he started to back away from that direction.

6/23/2008 1:16:52 PM

^ woops. I confused you with spookyjon. I guess you just need to read the news. You are confusing and oversimplifying the details of the issue. See links above.

6/23/2008 1:17:02 PM

no i'm really not.

he used public financing to secure a loan. then he wanted out of public financing so that he could spend more. he couldn't get out of public financing, so he just spent more anyway.

am i wrong in any of that?

6/23/2008 1:20:43 PM

^^^^ You're right. Then again it's kind of hard for Obama to break a law he helped write, considering he hasn't been around to write them. Obama, Change Inexperience you can count on.

[Edited on June 23, 2008 at 1:25 PM. Reason : ^^^]

6/23/2008 1:24:40 PM

Quote :

"he used public financing to secure a loan. then he wanted out of public financing so that he could spend more. he couldn't get out of public financing, so he just spent more anyway. am i wrong in any of that?"

Yeah, the part where "he used public financing to secure a loan." He actually used pledges from a long list of contributors, and took out a life insurance policy to secure that loan. The public financing option was only to go into effect if he lost New Hampshire by more than 10 percentage points.

Also the part where you say "he couldn't get out of public financing". He could and did. Because the FEC is short 4 members, they are powerless to do anything. McCain never accepted a dime of public financing during the primary season, so the minute he applied to opt out he was freed from the spending limits.

6/23/2008 1:48:38 PM

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"Also the part where you say "he couldn't get out of public financing". He could and did."

according to him. not the fec.

http://www.fec.gov/press/press2008/FECtoMcCain.PDF

[Edited on June 23, 2008 at 1:54 PM. Reason : .]

6/23/2008 1:50:32 PM