fucking awesome

1/24/2008 11:16:32 PM

how the hell can you say it's not worth it?

It brings us back much closer to view the quantum mechanics fractions of a second after the big bang. Discover the forms matter takes, what elements are present, what laws of newtonian physics break down. To see if the theory of relativity holds at this state with extreme energies and potentially a deeper look into a possible unified field theory. Not worth it my ass!

1/24/2008 11:18:59 PM

to what benefit, more than just "to know"

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 11:21 PM. Reason : ill beleive a substantiated theory w/o spending an assload thnx]

1/24/2008 11:21:08 PM

without pure research we wouldn't have transistors, computers, the internet, or THEWOLFWEB

so put that in your browser and browse it

1/24/2008 11:22:32 PM

because to know is the summation of our entire existance.

1/24/2008 11:23:24 PM

to think, my grandchildren are prolly gonna be able to eat sugar-infused mini black holes for breakfast thanks to the LHC

that's cool as hell, so don't you dare tell me this isn't worth it

1/24/2008 11:25:06 PM

that is retarded. we want to know something so bad it could cost us our world to find out the answer. doesnt that almost sound prophetic or something that we've been always warned about.

i mean im not into the whole prophecy crap th0

1/24/2008 11:25:42 PM

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"without pure research we wouldn't have transistors, computers, the internet, or THEWOLFWEB so put that in your browser and browse it "

tr00

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"because to know is the summation of our entire existance. "

and this is why after a few years in professional pure research, I got out[quote]

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 11:26 PM. Reason : e]

1/24/2008 11:25:44 PM

something about intelligence increasing two-fold, I believe.

yeah. we just gotta know (conquer) everything in "our" world.

it's human nature (destruction).

1/24/2008 11:27:50 PM

The world is not in danger from this. The mini-black hole thing has gotten way out of hand from a light hearted entry about the potential of the LHC a year or more ago. Even then it was hypothesized that a mini-black hole would in itself not be dangerous. It would take many of them, that would collect at the strongest point of gravity (center of the earth) to merge then maybe we have a problem. And hell, if that happened it'd all be over so damn quick we wouldnt know, so why care.

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 11:29 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2008 11:28:39 PM

bc i want to play in the wsop again this june


haha jk


bc i want to live longer than 5 more months

1/24/2008 11:29:48 PM

yeah i'd care to not be revisting my most basic components.

1/24/2008 11:30:17 PM

I'd rather get a step closer to finding out what life, the universe and everything is.

And i swear to god (heh) don't answer 42!

1/24/2008 11:31:46 PM

I severely doubt that anything dangerous will result from the activation of the LHC. And frankly, I'm pretty excited that it's finally about to go online. With how increasingly depressing the world is getting (wars, recession, global warming, etc), this offers me some hope and enthusiasm. I definitely feel like we're in for some interesting times in terms of physics.

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 11:34 PM. Reason : blah]

1/24/2008 11:33:00 PM

i really dont give a shit about that like 99.9999999% of the other people living who would rather live than find that out

1/24/2008 11:33:39 PM

yeah well the other .000001% do. and you'll thank us when you are eating black hole cereal in 30 years

1/24/2008 11:37:08 PM

well count chocula better still be around

1/24/2008 11:37:55 PM

i don't understand how 99.9999% of people don't care about the simple question "why?" It is the most simple and complex question I can think of. I don't understand how "God" and religion are written off as an answer to that so often. I'm not even atheist, by some descriptions what the LHC could potentially discover could be described as "the creator of all things"

1/24/2008 11:40:40 PM

what are we to gain with this knowledge really

the human race will only exploit something pure and eventually use it against ourselves

1/24/2008 11:41:52 PM

maybe the delusion of religion is a good thing for humanity.

1/24/2008 11:42:52 PM

that's why it's pure science.

Why must we "gain" more than knowledge from it

1/24/2008 11:43:36 PM

gain? what else are we gonna do all day? sit around smokin joints and playing halo 2?

1/24/2008 11:43:40 PM

maybe an attempt to save us from ourselves

1/24/2008 11:43:57 PM

At a bare minimum, the LHC should be able to resolve why things possess mass.

For anybody who's well-versed in particle physics, does the hypothesized Higgs particle have anything to do with the so-called graviton? My understanding is that a graviton is just like a photon, accept it propagates gravitational waves instead of EM waves. Since the Higgs is thought to be the thing that gives matter its mass, does it have anything to do with gravitons?

1/24/2008 11:44:14 PM

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"gain? what else are we gonna do all day? sit around smokin joints and playing halo 2? "

it would probably be just as productive

1/24/2008 11:44:27 PM

We still gotta find out what a gravity wave really is and how exactly it, b-fields and e-fields are all connected. Maybe if the Higgs exists and we discover it, it will open some doors.

1/24/2008 11:47:03 PM

That's what I'm hoping for. I just think it would be super-nifty if we could finally unite gravity with the other three fundamental forces.

1/24/2008 11:50:27 PM

IE my earlier post. Unified field theory ftw.

If that exists, conversions will exist for practical science. The possibilities for energy applications and such are amazing. But thats biting off quite a bit off a currently non-existant piece of bread.

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 11:52 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2008 11:50:56 PM

obligatory "what?" from the English major.

1/24/2008 11:51:36 PM

I'm undoubtedly getting ahead of myself, but if we can confirm the existence of the Higgs particle, could this lead to gravity-manipulation technology?

1/24/2008 11:54:56 PM

LOST Season 5: Large Hadron Collider

1/24/2008 11:55:21 PM

That's what i was getting at with energy converstions.

Long distance space flight would be a possibility since at that point too because due to the relativistic implications, "time travel" via time bending would be possible in theory. IE traveling effetively at or faster than light.

[Edited on January 24, 2008 at 11:57 PM. Reason : .]

1/24/2008 11:56:56 PM

man, all of this seems so fucking cool

but i don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about

1/24/2008 11:57:57 PM

I'm not up to speed on my particle physics, but it basically works like this:

There are four fundamental forces that govern the behavior of all matter: the strong force, the weak force, the electromagnetic force, and gravity. The strong force is what holds atomic nuclei together, and I think the weak force has something to do with how electrons are put together. The electromagnetic force governs the interaction between charged particles, such as ions. And finally, gravity governs how individual bodies of matter are "attracted" to each other by virtue of their masses.

Currently the Standard Model of Physics can successfully explain the interactions between the strong, weak, and EM forces. The trouble arrives when it tries to explain how gravity also factors in. For example, we know how light is generated and carried over distances, but we don't know why an atom has any mass to it. It is thought that there is a particle called the Higgs that helps to propagate the force of gravity, but up until now there is no direct evidence for its existence. The LHC should be able to tell us whether it exists or whether there is some other reason.

1/25/2008 12:15:40 AM

Also gravity is one of the weakest of the four forces. However because it has infinite propogation it inheritently has the strongest effect on the universe and as such is the biggest piece of the puzzle to understanding it. Once we figure out gravity we will be able to prove and disprove many many current models and theories.

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"man, all of this seems so fucking cool but i don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about"

Heh, don't worry about that. I understand and visualize the theories and can "see" if you will how it works. When I look at some of the current math and related explainations on wikipedia for example, however, I am beyond lost. Engineering math only takes you so far.

[Edited on January 25, 2008 at 12:25 AM. Reason : .]

1/25/2008 12:22:02 AM

there is no such thing as gravity

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512

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