True, it shortens your life.

Also, people running/training outside in the middle of the summer when its in the upper 90's and very humid.

12/4/2007 1:13:14 AM

http://www.amazon.com/Eat-Drink-Be-Healthy-Harvard/dp/0743266420/ref=pd_bbs_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1196778753&sr=8-2

12/4/2007 9:33:50 AM

Vitamin Water

12/4/2007 9:38:24 AM

Quote :

"btw, bagels are one of the unhealthiest things man can eat."

possibly, but when its a choice between that and a greasy McGriddle sausage egg and cheese combo with hash browns....

i think bagel wins

12/4/2007 10:00:31 AM

mcGriddle.. lol

you should try the monster breakfast burrito at hardeez. it's much tastier. i had one this morning, and i don't regret it b/c I'll be working out in the form of playing sports tonight and probably end up with a calorie/fat loss total for the day because of it and be ready for another tomorrow morning

12/4/2007 11:52:30 AM

^I heard those things have 1400 calories. But thats just hearsay.

12/4/2007 12:31:07 PM

According to Hardees' website, the "country breakfast burrito" has 920 calories, while the "loaded breakfast burrito" has a mere 780

unable to find a "monster breakfast burrito" on the site. "monster thickburger" has 1410

wow, the Hardees nutrition info is like a nightmare

12/4/2007 12:42:43 PM

I like the "Eat this, not that" thing Men's health does.

12/4/2007 12:48:46 PM

Glamour has a similar thing called "You could eat this .... or all this." where the second item is basically a healthier & larger portion version of the first, but with the same # of calories

12/4/2007 12:50:58 PM

yeah but i'd rather eat a cheesburger than 1,500 celery stalks.

12/4/2007 1:39:20 PM

^ I cooked some turkey chili this past weekend with fresh celery in it. It was money. Better than a burger or 1500 celery sticks by far.

Well, maybe not better than a burger, but you get the point.

12/4/2007 1:46:47 PM

turkey isn't that much better for you than lean ground beef, right?

12/4/2007 2:07:18 PM

Depends a lot on what parts of the turkey are used. The best stuff will say "Ground Turkey Breast." Other stuff might be a mix of white meat, dark meat, and skin.

I only buy 93/7 or 94/6 ground beef which is pretty expensive. I think the regular ground turkey is pretty comparable from a health perspective, but it usually comes at a better price. As long as you're eating the lean ground beef I wouldn't expect a huge difference between the two.

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 2:15 PM. Reason : s]

12/4/2007 2:14:56 PM

^ Food Lion has lean ground beef on sale this week (well, through today) if you want to stock up.

Mine was out of it when I went, though

12/4/2007 2:16:47 PM

Yeah, I bought some Saturday when I went to pick up chili supplies. It was either $2.49 or $3.49/lb iirc. I just stuck it in the freezer though. I'll probably hang onto it until spring when I want to grill some burgers unless I come up with a recipe that needs it sooner. I don't eat that much red meat.

They also had FL brand turkey breasts on sale for 40% or 50% off I think. I don't know how the quality will be, but I picked some up anyway.

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 2:20 PM. Reason : s]

12/4/2007 2:19:22 PM

i dont like cream cheese and usually don't put anything on them

but bagels aren't that bad for you, they aren't spectacular but by themselves they aren't that bad.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c21Fn.html

(a great site btw)

12/4/2007 2:21:03 PM

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"A salad is only as healthy as what you choose to put on it."

Same goes for any manufactured food product. Pizzas, chips, cookies, bagels, donuts, muffins, etc, don't have to be unhealthy. Healthy versions (and equally tasty) can be made, and I have had them, but almost all commerically produced products like that are not healthy, and are in fact harmful.

But yes, I get your point, with a salad, because people usually make salad themselves, or at least can partially control what goes in it, it is more important to ensure one makes a good one.

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"but bagels aren't that bad for you, they aren't spectacular but by themselves they aren't that bad."

That is not correct. You looked at the nutrition label and saw almost no sugar and fat, and so concluded they aren't that bad.

Bagels have a really high Glycemic Index (GI), and that's what makes them really bad. Just like white bread.

To make a bagel: take 5-7 slices of white bread, and squish them together. That's what a bagel is.

******************

Glycemic index: Learn it, love it, live it.

12/4/2007 3:22:23 PM

all i really eat are salads with very little dressing on them, apples, bananas, corn on the cob, snow peas, fresh green beans, and meat... lots and lots of meat

Most of the meat i get straight from a friend's farm which he grows everything steroid free but i'm sure target's plastic bag of frozen boneless-skinless chicken breasts are packed full of crap.

12/4/2007 3:30:25 PM

meat(us)

12/4/2007 3:50:11 PM

Quote :

"That is not correct. You looked at the nutrition label and saw almost no sugar and fat, and so concluded they aren't that bad. Bagels have a really high Glycemic Index (GI), and that's what makes them really bad. Just like white bread. To make a bagel: take 5-7 slices of white bread, and squish them together. That's what a bagel is."

plain? whole wheat?

you cant just keep making blanket statements without stating your assumptions.

12/4/2007 3:51:04 PM

17 - Estimated Glycemic Load (equiv. to 30-40 GI)

what was that again?

maybe you only see crap bagels?


did you even click the link i gave?

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 3:59 PM. Reason : s]

12/4/2007 3:57:45 PM

CHEESE!

i know some fat vegetarians.

12/4/2007 8:30:49 PM

there should be a thread about things that people assume are unhealthy but are healthy. Alot of people stay away from eggs and red meat, but most of the fat in both of them is the good kind. When I say red meat i don't mean a slab that has tons of visible fat, trim that stuff off.

12/4/2007 8:36:20 PM

things that people assume taste good

12/4/2007 8:44:08 PM

Quote :

"Alot of people stay away from eggs and red meat, but most of the fat in both of them is the good kind."

Can you back that up?

Eggs are super healthy, and lean red meat is healthy as well, but your statement is still false as far as I know.

12/4/2007 9:10:56 PM

which part do I need to backup, the fat being the healthy kind?

12/4/2007 9:27:52 PM

15+ years ago, eggs were considered to be bad for you because they were high in cholesterol. Now, they're considered to be better for you than previously thought because they're high in protein, vitamin content, and contain less cholesterol than originally thought in the late 80s.

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" Eggs not only contain the highest quality protein available, but they also contain almost every essential vitamin and mineral needed by humans (except vitamin C). The big concern about eggs was the link between their cholesterol content and heart disease. Yet, recent studies reveal that one large egg contains about 70 calories, 1 gram of carbohydrates, 4.5 grams of fat (with only 1.5 of the grams being saturated “bad” fat), 6 grams of protein, and 213 milligrams of cholesterol, 22 percent less than previously thought based on a 1989 study. "

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 9:29 PM. Reason : http://www.farmersalmanac.com]

12/4/2007 9:28:04 PM

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"which part do I need to backup, the fat being the healthy kind?"

Duh. About eggs, see below. About meat though, most of the fat in it is saturated fat.

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"contain less cholesterol than originally thought in the late 80s."

They still contain about the same cholesterol, but now we know that dietary cholesterol has no effect on blood cholesterol. It is saturated fat that causes more cholesterol to be produced and released into the blood, and eggs contain only about 2 grams saturated fat out of a total of 5 grams fat per egg.

^ beat me with your edit!



^ you should read this:

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"Eggs -- An Easy Answer for Americans' Unmet Need for Choline More than 90% of Americans are choline-deficient. An assessment American's dietary choline intake by Iowa State University researchers (Jensen H, Batres-Marquez S, et al., FASEB Journal) revealed that for older children, men, women and pregnant women, intake is dramatically below Adequate Intake (AI) levels, with only 10% or less of all these groups getting even close to recommended amounts of choline. This finding is especially concerning in pregnant women because choline is necessary for brain and memory development in the fetus. (Shaw GM, Carmichael SL, Am J Epidemiol; Zeisel SH, Annu Rev Nutr) The National Academy of Sciences recommends higher daily intake of choline for pregnant and breastfeeding women (550 mg and 450 mg, respectively). Older adults are also at high risk of choline deficiency. Research presented by Debra Keast, PhD, at the 31st National Nutrient Data Bank Conference, Washington, DC, revealed that choline intake decreases with age, with adults ages 71 and older typically consuming an average of about 264 milligrams per day, roughly half the AI for choline (550 mg/day for men, 425 mg/day for women). And even getting the recommended AI for choline may not meet the needs of approximately 20% of men. Research published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition (Fischer LM, deCosta KA, et al.) found that when 26 men were given a diet providing 550 mg/day of choline, 6 of the men developed fatty liver or muscle damage (signs of choline insufficiency). In addition to the 26 men, 16 premenopausal and 15 postmenopausal women took part in this study. All participants were fed a diet supplying 550 mg/day of choline for 10 days followed by a diet containing less than 50 mg/day of choline for up to another 42 days. When deprived of dietary choline, 77% of the men, 80% of the postmenopausal women, and 44% of the premenopausal women developed fatty liver or muscle damage. (Premenopausal women, while harmed, were not as sorely affected because choline can be made by our bodies from the de novo synthesis of phosphatidylcholine, which is up-regulated by estrogen.) Practical Tip: Foods that are good sources of choline should be frequent contributors to your healthy way of eating. Two large eggs provide 252 milligrams of choline (all in yolk), a little less than half the recommended daily supply, and and also contain 630 milligrams (yes, milligrams not micrograms) of phosphatidylcholine. Although most sources just report the free choline at 252 micrograms, it is the phosphatidylcholine that is the most common form in which choline is incorporated into cell membrane phospholipids. Other rich sources of choline (per 100 grams / 3 ounces of food) include beef liver (355 mg), dried soy beans (116 mg), wheat germ (152 mg), cod (83 mg), chicken (70 mg, and salmon (65 mg). An Egg Breakfast Helps Promote Weight Loss In a randomized controlled trial, 160 overweight or obese men and women were divided into 2 groups, one of which ate a breakfast including 2 eggs, while the other consumed a bagel breakfast supplying the same amount of calories and weight mass (an important control factor in satiety and weight loss studies). Participants ate their assigned breakfast at least 5 days a week for 8 weeks as part of a low-fat diet with a 1,000 calorie deficit. (Dhurandhar N, Vander Wal J, et al, FASEB Journal) Compared to those on the bagel breakfast, egg eaters: Lost almost twice as much weight -- egg eaters lost an average of 6.0 pounds compared to bagel eaters' 3.5 pound loss. Had an 83% greater decrease in waist circumference Reported greater improvements in energy No significant differences were seen between blood levels of total, HDL and LDL cholesterol, and triglycerides in either group, confirming what other studies (Ballesteros MN, Cabrera RM, Am J Clin Nutr) have shown, including a relative risk study presented at the Experimental Biology meeting: healthy people can safely enjoy eggs without increasing their heart attack risk. The relative risk study, a thorough scientific review of the major studies concerning heart disease causation, which was conducted by Washington, DC-based scientific consulting firm, Exponent, found that eggs contribute just 0.6 percent of men's and 0.4 percent of women's coronary heart disease risk."

[Edited on December 4, 2007 at 9:39 PM. Reason : http://www.whfoods.org/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=92]

12/4/2007 9:33:10 PM

bottled water

Quote :

"savoury"

GET THAYT 'U' OUT'A THERR!

Quote :

"Quadrotriticale is a high-yield, perennial, four-lobed grain, genetically engineered hybrid of wheat and rye. The root grain, triticale, can trace its ancestry back to 20th century Canada"

organically or artificially?

Quote :

"possibly, but when its a choice between that and a greasy McGriddle sausage egg and cheese combo with hash browns.... i think bagel wins"

the protein from the sausage, egg, and cheese counteract the glycemic index factor of the griddle bread

the fat, sodium and preservatives in the McGriddle may not be great

but eating a plain white bagel is a lot like eat a big spoonful of sugar

iow, a McGriddle ( ) is still better than a plain bagel







[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 9:11 AM. Reason : ]

12/5/2007 9:01:19 AM

marijuana

12/5/2007 9:33:37 AM

On the topic of eggs...

The nutritional value of eggs can vary wildly depending on the health of the chickens and what they are fed. I usually buy Egglands Best eggs because they are probably the best commercially available eggs you'll find. From their website:

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"It all starts with the special Eggland’s Best hen feed. Eggland’s Best hen feed is a patented all natural, all vegetarian feed that contains healthy grains, canola oil, and an all natural supplement of rice bran, alfalfa, sea kelp and Vitamin E. The Eggland’s Best hen feed contains no animal fat, no animal byproducts, and no recycled or processed food. Eggland’s Best never uses hormones, or antibiotics of any kind."

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"In addition to the great taste, Eggland’s Best eggs are nutritionally superior to ordinary eggs: * 180mg of cholesterol compared to 213mg of cholesterol in an ordinary egg. Clinical tests demonstrated that people on a low-fat diet ate 12 Eggland’s Best eggs a week without increasing their serum cholesterol level. * Higher in Vitamin E, at least 10 times more than in an ordinary egg. One Eggland’s Best egg provides 25% of a person’s recommended daily allowance of Vitamin E. Vitamin E is an antioxidant that helps to protect body cells and tissues whether in the heart, skin, lungs, joints or elsewhere in the body. * 25% less saturated fat than in an ordinary egg. Cutting back on saturated fat is recommended for maintaining healthy cholesterol levels and cardiovascular functions. * 4 grams of total fat compared to 4.5 grams in an ordinary egg. * 100mg of Omega 3, (37mg in an ordinary egg). Omega 3 fatty acids are termed “essential” and are believed to be beneficial for heart health, hypertension, brain and eye function, and infant development. * 200mcg of Lutein . 145mcg lutein in ordinary eggs. Lutein is an important antioxidant that helps to maintain healthy vision which is of importance to those who could be at high risk of cataracts and macular degeneration (the elderly and people with diabetes. * Higher in Iodine. 40% of the Daily Value of Iodine compared to 15% in an ordinary egg. Iodine is an essential element for thyroid function, necessary for the normal growth, development, and functioning of the brain and body. * A “complete protein”. A single egg supplies about 10% of the protein you need daily, along with vitamins A, D, and B12. Eggs are an economical, convenient, and easy-to prepare source of high-quality protein. "

If you're not buying Egglands Best I'd suggest looking for eggs that advertise being from "pastured hens." Typically any eggs that advertise that they are from pastured hens will be nutritionally superior. Pastured just means that the hens roam around free instead of being locked in pens like the commercial chicken coops. You can google "pastured eggs" for more info.

There is a pretty noticeable taste difference between eggs from pastured hens versus eggs from coop hens that you may or may not like. If you grew up eating eggs fresh from the farm you'll probably pick up on it pretty quickly when you go back to eggs from pastured hens after eating commercial eggs for a while.

[Edited on December 5, 2007 at 10:17 AM. Reason : s]

12/5/2007 10:15:01 AM

melba toast.

12/5/2007 10:16:17 AM

arguments on the internet?

12/5/2007 1:00:45 PM

So that Steak, Egg & Cheese Bagel at McDs I love so much aint no good for me

12/5/2007 10:47:04 PM

Eggland’s Best eggs are best !! this is true because it says it on their unbiased website !

12/6/2007 8:21:01 PM

12/6/2007 9:38:22 PM