This thread is way too serious for chit chat


So without further ado...

11/30/2007 10:18:19 AM

^^again, plz to read link.


There are some listed as high as 200,000 on there (baathist killing their own people).

[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 10:18 AM. Reason : .]

11/30/2007 10:18:39 AM

everyone knows the way we went about it was a mistake... but the overall goal needed to be accomplished.. now bring em home

11/30/2007 10:18:47 AM

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"This war isn't a mistake unless we cause casualties of EPIC PROPORTIONS! I see how YOUR prospective is!"

Dude, I claimed that the war was tame compared to other wars throughout world history. I never said it wasn't a mistake either.

11/30/2007 10:19:40 AM

just ignore him, he's trying to troll.. this is why he was suspended in the first place. he doesn't know how to put forth an argument, he'd rather not read your proof and keep saying the same thing over and over, emphasizing words, than develop a sound argument.

11/30/2007 10:21:42 AM

^^ ok - so you believe it was a mistake? It just didn't seem like it with your previous posts

[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 10:22 AM. Reason : ]

11/30/2007 10:22:07 AM

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"Conjecture."

Lancet study.

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"And I'm not talking just about American casualties, I'm talking about total casualties (plz to read link)."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html

And that was over a year ago.

11/30/2007 10:22:10 AM

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"^^ ok - so you believe it was a mistake? It just didn't seem like it with your previous posts"

Yes, it was a mistake. But this was not a mistake to epic proportions. We can actually make good of this situation. The Powell Doctrine: "You break it you buy it."

11/30/2007 10:23:36 AM

oh i definitely think the way we went about it was a mistake too, but i think it needed to be done... now i think we should be out of there

11/30/2007 10:23:40 AM

OK, cool guys - I guess our stance isn't so far off then. The original topic of this thread was about how much of a douche Giuliani is though

11/30/2007 10:24:53 AM

From that link above:

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"The same group in 2004 published an estimate of roughly 100,000 deaths in the first 18 months after the invasion. That figure was much higher than expected, and was controversial. The new study estimates that about 500,000 more Iraqis, both civilian and military, have died since then -- a finding likely to be equally controversial."

Alot of those deaths that they're claiming, which may or may not be true, came from IRAQIS KILLING THEMSELVES.


Yeah, it was a mistake, but ultimately, we had the right to invade (visa vi treaty after 1991 war). We sold it on false claims, and it is what it is. However, Saddam killed far more than the Americans could even think about and ultimately, the country CAN be better off.

11/30/2007 10:26:44 AM

i don't like how he brings up 9/11 so much... seems like hes trying to ride it harder than hillary is riding her husbands previous success

11/30/2007 10:27:15 AM

^ well, 9/11 was one of his shining points. I'd be campaigning on it too. It defined his term as mayor.

11/30/2007 10:28:16 AM

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"Alot of those deaths that they're claiming, which may or may not be true, came from IRAQIS KILLING THEMSELVES."

The Lancet studies are the most credible to date. But yes, you're quite right. However, they probably wouldn't have been killing themselves at such a rate if not for the invasion.

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"However, Saddam killed far more than the Americans could even think about"

No way.

11/30/2007 10:29:31 AM

i just wanted to throw a hillary bash in there

^saddam did it for fun, we did it in a war.

11/30/2007 10:30:08 AM

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"i don't like how he brings up 9/11 so much... seems like hes trying to ride it harder than hillary is riding her husbands previous success "

Yeah, and as much as I HATE the idea of a candidate pushing Reaganomics, I'd much rather see Romney in the driving seat. With a democratic congress, I don't know how effective his efforts will be.

And yeah, I liked Hillary about 7 months ago - but she just started rubbing me all the wrong ways. If Hillary would promise to just shut the fuck up for the 4 years and let Bill do everything, I'd be all about Hillary '08... but I still wouldn't trust she do that.

OBAMA '08

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"saddam did it for fun"

COME ON DUDE - he used to kill TERRORISTS with a smile on his face... then we killed HIM. Maybe a mediation session would have been the best thing we could have done. I know Sadam was an ass-hole, but look at what he created in place of him!

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[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 10:37 AM. Reason : ]

11/30/2007 10:30:42 AM

what are your selling points on Obama?

11/30/2007 10:31:41 AM

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"^saddam did it for fun, we did it in a war."

That's a vast oversimplification. Many of Saddam's atrocities came during uprisings and the like. He killed to maintain his position.

[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 10:33 AM. Reason : d]

11/30/2007 10:32:41 AM

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"But if Giuliana becomes the president, I will immediately move to Canada. "

Well shit, I know who I am voting for now. Thanks, it looked to be a messy election cycle. You've just made it easy.


Also, yeah friggin juvianni does look like a slime ball and sometimes, after I see an interview with him in it, I feel like I need to shower.

11/30/2007 10:34:29 AM

did it cross your mind that the uprisings may have been just?


maybe people got tired of rape rooms?

11/30/2007 10:34:30 AM

i think romney needs to stop coloring his hair jet black... be natural and use that shit to your advantage... he looks like a greaseball

[Edited on November 30, 2007 at 10:36 AM. Reason : plz don't try to justify saddam's behavior]

11/30/2007 10:35:54 AM

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"what are your selling points on Obama? "

With Obama, I think his attitude towards chnge is a good selling point. Plus, Bush FUCKED our relationships with so many different foreign sovereignties - I think Obama would be the best way to fix those relationships.

If our new leader is a half-black guy named Barack Hussein Obama, that says something already!

But thats jsut the tip of the iceburg - he is capable of doing a lot for our new standing on Earth. Right now, USA is just Earth's Ass-hole (or dick if we're talking TEAM AMERICA)

11/30/2007 10:36:52 AM

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"did it cross your mind that the uprisings may have been just?"

Of course the uprising were just. Most are.

11/30/2007 10:38:21 AM

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"You don't seem to understand that hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died violently since the war began. That's not tame. We're talking about over a million people. "

Wait no, a billion. I'm talking about a trillion people here.

11/30/2007 10:48:19 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ORB_survey_of_casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

11/30/2007 10:50:25 AM

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"outnumbering even the death toll of the recent Rwandan genocide"

Jeez - Slave Famous is really gettin on my nerves... posting his collection of gay porn in all these otherwise SFW threads.

11/30/2007 1:10:09 PM

Yes, despite the relatively small number of US casualties, the Iraq War isn't a joke.

11/30/2007 1:13:24 PM

Giuliani To Run For President Of 9/11
February 21, 2007 | Issue 43•08


NEW YORK—At a well-attended rally in front of his new Ground Zero headquarters Monday, former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani officially announced his plan to run for president of 9/11.

"My fellow citizens of 9/11, today I will make you a promise," said Giuliani during his 18-minute announcement speech in front of a charred and torn American flag. "As president of 9/11, I will usher in a bold new 9/11 for all."


Giuliani at a campaign stop near Washington.
If elected, Giuliani would inherit the duties of current 9/11 President George W. Bush, including making grim facial expressions, seeing the world's conflicts in terms of good and evil, and carrying a bullhorn at all state functions.

"Let us all remember how we felt on that day, with the world watching our every move, waiting on our every word," said Giuliani, flanked by several firefighters, ex-New York Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik, and Judith Nathan, his third wife. "With a campaign built on traditional 9/11 values, and with the help of every citizen who believes in the 9/11 dream, I want to make 9/11 great again."

According to Washington–based political analyst Gregory Hammond, Giuliani's candidacy "should not be underestimated."


"Sure, he has no foreign or national policy experience, and both his personal life and political career are riddled with scandal," said Hammond. "But in the key area of having been on TV on 9/11, the other candidates simply cannot match him. And as we saw in 2004, that's what matters most to voters in this post-9/11 world."

After his downtown Manhattan announcement, Giuliani held an afternoon rally near the Pentagon. In the early evening, he flew to a field outside Shanksville, Pennsylvania, where he hosted a $5,000-a-plate fundraising dinner in a tent decorated with clouds of ash, streaming sheets of singed office paper, and small piles of authentic rubble from the World Trade Center site.

Among the policy planks listed on his website are his Cleaner Air Act, which would severely limit the levels of smoke and harmful gases allowed to pour from 747s flying into 110-story office buildings, guaranteed health insurance covering burns caused by shards of burning metal, and his "No Child Left Behind In A Smoldering Skyscraper" initiative.

Giuliani supporters praised the candidate for his "early and unwavering commitment" to 9/11.

"People talk about Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, but did either of them happen to be mayor of New York in September 2001?" Bedford, NH resident Helen Rolfe said. "Guiliani was. To me, that speaks volumes about this man."

Still from an early "Giuliani For 9/11" ad now running in New Hampshire.
Though his campaign apparatus is not yet fully operational, Giuliani's "mobile campaign units"—refurbished fire trucks decorated with banners, balloons, and bloodstains, whose droning sirens continuously blare Giuliani's official campaign song—have already begun canvassing towns in Iowa and New Hampshire.

Giuliani's pro-9/11 message seems to be resonating with potential voters. Said Ames, IA voter Alan Benoit: "I remember seeing Rudolph Giuliani's face, on television, saying reassuring things during a highly emotional moment filled with fear and confusion. He's got my vote."

With more than a year until the primaries—unless Giuliani's court-filed request to hold New York's primary on the second Tuesday in September is approved—Giuliani said it is too early to discuss potential running mates, though he refused to rule out the possibility of naming a twisted, half-melted aluminum beam, an FDNY ball cap, or even John McCain. Giuliani, however, called rumors that he had met with a large shard of glass from the wreckage of the Pentagon "patently untrue."

"Letting 9/11 fall into the hands of the Democrats in 2008 would be nothing short of a national tragedy," Giuliani said. "Ever since 9/11 was founded that fateful day on 9/11, 9/11 has stood for one thing: 9/11."

1/3/2008 3:53:35 PM

yes my nigel pic is still on the top

I almost forgot about him

1/3/2008 3:54:37 PM

obama or mccain in 08

1/3/2008 3:54:42 PM

1/3/2008 4:02:24 PM

this little Giuliani piece of shit barely got 1% of the vote in Iowa -- haha

what a little punk BITCH

1/3/2008 11:29:44 PM

he spent exactly 0 dollars there

1/3/2008 11:37:10 PM