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"this is the only thing bluray has going for it...the blue diodes"

You do realize both HD DVD and Blu-ray use the blue diode/laser, right? Probably not because your entire post was a bunch retarded anti-Sony bullshit anyway.

10/16/2007 1:45:29 PM

this shit is so annoying - i can't wait for this to get resolved

10/16/2007 2:02:55 PM

it's not going to get resolved

10/16/2007 2:28:36 PM

Get Transformers on HD-DVD for half price (apparently)!

http://forums.slickdeals.net/showthread.php?threadid=632146

10/16/2007 2:44:07 PM

phillip...so you're saying that blu-ray continuously outsells HD-dvds? are you ignoring the first 6months too?

10/16/2007 3:00:08 PM

The Circuit City deal is for real, I stopped at 2 different stores yesterday and picked up 14 Blu-Rays and they were all 50% off.


And LOL at the cat who thinks HD-DVD doesn't use blue diodes b/c blue isn't in the title.

And LOL at Golovko for nitpicking, even though it's clear that Blu-Ray has been dominating since its TRUE premiere (the launch of the Sony Trojan Horse).

10/16/2007 3:10:05 PM

and LOL at the sony fan-boys in this thread.

10/16/2007 3:16:48 PM

Can we just get one thing right? It's HD DVD (no hyphen) and Blu-ray (hyphen and lowercase "r"). Sorry, but it's hard to have a serious discussion about something when everyone keeps typing their names wrong

10/16/2007 3:16:57 PM

HDDVD BLURAY....get the fuck over it, fan boy

[Edited on October 16, 2007 at 3:17 PM. Reason : fan-boy fanboy fanboi fan-boi fan boi]

10/16/2007 3:17:26 PM

I guess we can all just go back to watching D-v-Ds then.

10/16/2007 3:21:45 PM

and listening to C D-s because M-P 3-s are so out these days.

10/16/2007 3:22:21 PM

So, back to my question a long time ago...suggestions for players that support Blu-Ray discs as well as SACD and DVDA?

10/16/2007 3:47:16 PM

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"You do realize both HD DVD and Blu-ray use the blue diode/laser, right? Probably not because your entire post was a bunch retarded anti-Sony bullshit anyway."

no, i didn't...it was my understanding that there was a significant difference between the diodes/lasers used for bluray and those used for hd-dvd...if there isn't, why the premium for bluray hardware? and tell me what in sony's history of new proprietary formats/hardware DOESN'T warrant anti-sony sentiments? they consistently develop high-quality products and then shoot themselves (and their customers, i might add), by being retarded about who can use/manufacture their product and it has NOTHING to do with quality control

10/16/2007 3:48:19 PM

Well the main difference between the two is that data on Blu-ray discs is written closer to the surface of the disc, meaning it's essentially more densely packed with data (if someone knows more about this, please to chime in, as I am not very smart). For this to work, they had to develop a nigh indestructible hard coating to place on the disc, in order to protect the data as it is much more vulnerable to corruption than in DVDs/HD DVDs. As you can imagine, that hard coating is pretty damn expensive. I can only guess they are offloading the extra cost off producing these discs onto the players, as they figured while people might be willing to spend a few hundred bucks more on the player, they wouldn't pay $10+ more per disc. Besides that, I'm pretty sure they are fixing the prices of stand alone players in order to market the PS3 as the cheapest Blu-ray player on the planet, since it's pretty much their most important product.

As far as Blu-ray being a proprietary format, you can buy a Blu-ray players/drives from Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer, Samsung, Sharp, Hitachi, Philips, and Lite-on. As of right now, you can only get an HD DVD player from Toshiba. Make your own conclusions.

[Edited on October 16, 2007 at 4:16 PM. Reason : :]

10/16/2007 4:07:26 PM

Sony helped invent the DVD

OMFG DONT BUY DVDS

10/16/2007 4:13:32 PM

self-pwnt, then?

i guess it's just so NATURAL to hate sony since they've sucked for so long

okay, carry on, kids

10/16/2007 4:15:35 PM

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"since it's pretty much their most important product."

What does that say for a company when their most important product is also their biggest disaster.

10/16/2007 4:22:47 PM

yeah, CC deal is for real, went to crossroads today, they had twice as many hd dvds in stock as blu-ray

10/16/2007 4:50:54 PM

sweet i'll go there on the way home from work

10/16/2007 4:52:27 PM

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"So, back to my question a long time ago...suggestions for players that support Blu-Ray discs as well as SACD and DVDA?"

I don't think there is one. The closest you'll get is the PS3 which will play SACDs. The new Denon player might support both, but they haven't really released any detailed specs for it.

10/16/2007 4:57:14 PM

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"What does that say for a company when their most important product is also their biggest disaster"

My first thought was Microsoft Windows.

10/16/2007 11:54:34 PM

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"My first thought was Microsoft Windows."

That doesn't even make sense.

[Edited on October 17, 2007 at 12:02 AM. Reason : .]

10/17/2007 12:01:27 AM

^^really? Sony bought Microsoft and now develops windows? interesting...Xbox360 is going to be pissed.

10/17/2007 12:34:22 AM

THE HD DVD PLAYER IS TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS AT A RETAIL STORE

ITS SUB 200 ONLINE

YOU'RE GOING TO GO WRONG WITH EITHER

MAY AS WELL SPEND 200 INSTEAD OF 400

BUT WHAT DO I KNOW

THE PS3 IN ITS PRESENT STATE IS FUCKING LAUGHABLE ( WAIT TILL LAIR AND HEAVENLY SWORD DROP, WARHAWK HAHAAHAHAHHAHA)

IT PRICE DROPS EVERY TRIMESTER OF ITS SHOULD HAVE BEEN ABORTED PRODUCT CYCLE

600 DOLLARS? WHO THE FUCK WOULD BUY THAT SHIT?

GUESS THEY FOUND OUT



[Edited on October 17, 2007 at 8:06 AM. Reason : .]

10/17/2007 8:02:03 AM

"now here this, now here this. All sony fanboys report to the "Buy Blue Ray or HDDVD" thread immediately. This is not a drill"

Shrike, that means you.

10/17/2007 8:36:05 AM

I love how every one of these threads breaks down into people who don't actually know what they are talking about trolling the PS3/Sony. This is what happens when a company comes out with something nice that people want but can't afford

10/17/2007 8:45:37 AM

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"now here this"

10/17/2007 8:47:06 AM

i think it boils down to like 2 or 3 of you who have to ruin every thread, you guys probably sit at home whacking off while to anime and shit, why cant we just have normal conversations without all this 5 year old shit going on?

10/17/2007 9:25:23 AM

now look hear man.....stfu.

^^^We can afford it which is why we buy nicer things...

[Edited on October 17, 2007 at 9:32 AM. Reason : .]

10/17/2007 9:32:20 AM

^^We were having a pretty normal conversation until Golovko realized everything he'd posted so far was wrong, and reverted to his old standby of trolling me. It's ok though, his next post is going to be "lol, I only post like an idiot because I don't care about tww". Wait for it........

10/17/2007 9:45:11 AM

"lol....I only post like an idiot..."

nothing I posted was wrong. I posted that I went with HD-DVD.
I posted that there is a dual format player out there that does blu-ray and HD DVD...
I posted that Transformers is only going to be released in HD DVD format.
I posted that the PS3 is a disaster for sony

non of which are wrong statements. Plz try again...except not! "...because I don't care about TWW!"

you're just pissed you spent $600 on trash.

[Edited on October 17, 2007 at 10:16 AM. Reason : ...]

10/17/2007 10:14:53 AM

I'd really love for you to explain how the PS3 is a disaster. Or how a $600 product that does more than multiple devices costing hundreds of dollars (even if you completely ignore the fact that it plays game) more is trash. Also, didn't you have to buy a second 360 because you were tired for your first one breaking? Maybe you're just pissed you spent more than $600 buying an unreliable piece of shit (twice), with half the A/V functionality of a PS3.

10/17/2007 10:35:54 AM

I have two perfectly working Xbox360's. One in my room (soon to be at work) and one downstairs. I don't see how one is a POS.

Second, my worst game that I own is still 100 times better then the PS3's 'hottest' title.

It plays HDDVD's

Its an 'all-in-one' media unit because..

1) it DVR's for me
2) it plays GREAT games (not just shitty titles)
3) it plays HD DVD's
4) it streams hd movies and tv shows from my PC
5) I can 'rent' an HD movie or tv show (or in standard def.) with a push of a button
6) Xbox LIVE


The reasons the PS3 is a total disaster has been covered time and time again...go re-read those threads.

[Edited on October 17, 2007 at 10:58 AM. Reason : .]

10/17/2007 10:56:07 AM

So essentially, you ride my cock in every single thread I post in involving the words "PS3" or "Blu-ray". Then when I ask you to qualify a single thing you've posted, you reply with a bunch of subjective and uninformed babble about games (which has nothing to with this thread), and then tell me to go read about it somewhere else because you don't actually know what you're talking about it.

And please, for your own sake, don't turn this into a list war because the PS3 will destroy the 360 in things that they can do, even after you've spent more than the cost of the PS3 to get it to do those things you listed.

10/17/2007 11:09:20 AM

Spent more? Xbox360 + HD DVD player does everything I listed and more. There is nothing else that costs money. I already have a PC. I already have a wireless network. I already have a connection to the internet.

Take your fanboy bs some where else.

'uninformed' haha...you are uninformed.

[Edited on October 17, 2007 at 11:12 AM. Reason : .]

10/17/2007 11:12:09 AM

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"Spent more? Xbox360 + HD DVD player does everything I listed and more."

HDMI Xbox 360 w/Hard drive + HD DVD player costs more than a PS3. See what I mean by uninformed?

And are you really using the fact that you own a PC and a wireless network to negate the 360's shortcomings? Well shit, I have a PC too with a huge library of games, and my PS3 plays every PS2 and PS1 game out there. I guess its ok that the PS3 has shit for games now!

[Edited on October 17, 2007 at 11:22 AM. Reason : :]

10/17/2007 11:20:55 AM

the only thing that sucks about xbox 360s is the audio
not being designed for dts or hd formats was a bad move but it doesn't sound bad (i think they released a patch that converts dts to the microsoft format it supports wma direct or something)... just not as good as it should.

^ but an xbox is useful as something other than an hd dvd player where the ps3 isn't due to lack of games. and for those of us with a ps2 and an xbox360 there isn't any reason to get a ps3 yet.

btw i'd bet most people with an hd tv in our age group have a 360 already.

10/17/2007 11:21:01 AM

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"HDMI Xbox 360 w/Hard drive + HD DVD player costs more than a PS3. See what I mean by uninformed?"

Well sure, if you want 120GB of storage capacity. However, the cost of a Xbox360+HDDVD player is LESS then a PS3. AND you get forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance free with it. Oh and, this is a neat cutting edge feature...but your controller actually rumbles! Its amazing...its like you can feel whats happening to you in the game.

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"And are you really using the fact that you own a PC and a wireless network to negate the 360's shortcomings? Well shit, I have a PC too with a huge library of games, and my PS3 plays every PS2 and PS1 game out there. I guess its ok that the PS3 has shit for games now! "

I was mentioning that I have all that so you don't come in here with some lame "omfg you have to buy a PC to use it as a media extender, OMFG @#$%@#!"

the PS3 is more of a 'lets see how many features we can cram into this thing' and after they completed the product they went 'oops we forgot about the gaming'....

[Edited on October 17, 2007 at 11:34 AM. Reason : ...]

10/17/2007 11:31:31 AM

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"THE HD DVD PLAYER IS TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS AT A RETAIL STORE ITS SUB 200 ONLINE YOU'RE GOING TO GO WRONG WITH EITHER MAY AS WELL SPEND 200 INSTEAD OF 400"

10/17/2007 11:33:51 AM

Shrike, since you are so well informed...you already know that the new Xbox360 pro's have HDMI too...its not just an elite thing...

[Edited on October 17, 2007 at 11:34 AM. Reason : .]

10/17/2007 11:34:49 AM

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"but an xbox is useful as something other than an hd dvd player where the ps3 isn't due to lack of games. and for those of us with a ps2 and an xbox360 there isn't any reason to get a ps3 yet."

Again, the "lack of games" argument is 100% subjective. Besides that, you're more or less right. I really having nothing against the 360, I think it's great at what it does and I probably would have bought one if not for the early lack of HDMI and the reliability issue (or if I didn't have a gaming capable PC). All I'm trying to do is get Golovko to qualify his comments about the PS3 being a disaster and trash. So far all he can manage is repeating the tired and obsolete argument about the PS3s game library, which has nothing do with this thread.

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"THE HD DVD PLAYER IS TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS AT A RETAIL STORE ITS SUB 200 ONLINE YOU'RE GOING TO GO WRONG WITH EITHER MAY AS WELL SPEND 200 INSTEAD OF 400"

This doesn't apply to people who want to watch movies that are only available on Blu-ray. Like, I dunno, the Spider-man or POTC movies.

^I do know that, I also know that the new PS3 will soon be costing $400 and comes bundled with Spider-man 3 on Blu-ray. There has never been a point in time where an HDMI 360 w/ a hard drive and an HD DVD player (you know, the topic of this thread) has cost less than a PS3. It's also an inferior HD movie player to the PS3 due to the aforementioned audio issues.

[Edited on October 17, 2007 at 11:50 AM. Reason : :]

10/17/2007 11:49:13 AM

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"This doesn't apply to people who want to watch movies that are only available on Blu-ray. Like, I dunno, the Spider-man or POTC movies."

People are probably falling all over themselves to spend $400+ dollars to watch Spider-man and POTC.

10/17/2007 11:54:31 AM

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"There has never been a point in time where an HDMI 360 w/ a hard drive and an HD DVD player (you know, the topic of this thread) has cost less than a PS3."

I just answered that for you. Xbox360Pro have HDMI now...they don't cost $479 like the 120gb elite. When you add a pro + hddvd it comes to $525. read. learn. stfu.


and as for spider-man....I'd rather be watching Transformers then some emo kid in tights.

[Edited on October 17, 2007 at 11:59 AM. Reason : fda]

10/17/2007 11:59:26 AM

Dude, are you moron? No really, thats a serious question.

http://tinyurl.com/2zz3eq

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"Price: $499.99 & this item ships for FREE with Super Saver Shipping. Details Availability: In Stock. Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available. "

[Edited on October 17, 2007 at 12:05 PM. Reason : :]

10/17/2007 12:01:03 PM

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"Well sure, if you want 120GB of storage capacity. However, the cost of a Xbox360+HDDVD player is LESS then a PS3. AND you get forza 2 and Ultimate Alliance free with it."

PS3 20GB: $450 - http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=020071

XBox 360 20GB: $350 - http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=020079
HD DVD attachment: $180 - http://www.ebgames.com/product.asp?product%5Fid=802558

10/17/2007 12:06:04 PM

^^wheres the $120 game value thats supposed to bundle with it? oh wait...

20gb = discontinued....get with it.

[Edited on October 17, 2007 at 12:08 PM. Reason : fda]

10/17/2007 12:07:40 PM

Now you're just being dumb, Golovko.

10/17/2007 12:09:43 PM

its not dumb...its fun. You would think Shrike put in many fanboy hours developing the thing.

10/17/2007 12:10:26 PM

i was very surprised to see hd dvd players in best buy for $250 the other day

however my new laptop for work will come with a blu ray player so i'm officially on that side

and now i won't have to buy the hd dvd add on for the 360 when i buy one

god i still hate sony though

10/17/2007 1:05:27 PM

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"however my new laptop for work will come with a blu ray player "

I wonder how much companies waste buying their employees stupidly over-configured computers.

10/17/2007 1:09:28 PM