Sweet justice after the way he railed against Kerry for being too nuanced.

Page 2 says "Bush was for staying the course before he was against it"

10/25/2006 4:43:31 PM

The GOP plan is to remind the nation that the Democrats don't have a plan at all.

Which, by the way, is exactly what they are doing.

10/25/2006 4:48:17 PM

^^ Fair enough, lets get back to the original claim:

Quote :

" This admin. is more interested in language manipulation than actually governing the country. "

More interested at heart? No, I doubt even the worst politicians are that inconsiderate. The old saying however still holds true: Actions speak louder than words. The Bush Administration has done a good job saying what Americans want to hear. The Bush Administration has done a piss poor job acting on those words.


The "No Child Left Behind" Act (NCLB) has been underfunded. It's also been rightly critized by a number of different organizations.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4608598

These are good links. Call NPR liberal if you like. I respectfully disagree that they are. If anything they're exactly what real news is: bland and fact based.


Bush claimed the Iraq Conflict would be inexpensive, costing ~100 billion, some of which would be recovered in oil money. We were told one thing but got no follow through from the administration. According to their actions, the Bush Administration cared more about words than policy. If they cared about policy they might have figured out a way to keep war costs down.

10/25/2006 5:06:17 PM

Quote :

"According to their actions, the Bush Administration cared more about words than policy."

again you're just posting your own personal opinions

10/25/2006 5:08:16 PM

There's no room for personal opinions in the Soap Box

10/25/2006 5:12:35 PM

if you had been reading through the thread instead of just riding my nuts, you would see where I have asked State409c at least 4 times for EVIDENCE to support his claim that the government is "more focused on warping public perception with language than they are of actually governing the country"

Evidence, not opinions

but why would i expect you to read through the thread when you can just grab one of my posts and make a smartass comment?

10/25/2006 5:13:53 PM

Why on earth would I read over a thread that's >25% Treetard?

10/25/2006 5:16:50 PM

Well you claim you're non biased and see all sides of issues and listen to all viewpoints

But we all know that was bullshit

10/25/2006 5:18:17 PM

I don't really view "uniformed blathering" to be a "side," per se.

10/25/2006 5:21:18 PM

(i'll bite)

why not?

what is it then?

10/25/2006 5:22:48 PM

It's an unfortunate characteristic of people from all sides.

A characteristic that should be made fun of.

10/25/2006 5:26:07 PM

its unfortunate you dont realize that you yourself take small bits and samples of posts and attack them, provided the posts are made by someone you dont like

quite immature really

10/25/2006 5:29:12 PM

I don't like you because you have nothing worthwhile to say.

Not the other way around.

10/25/2006 5:30:41 PM

Just because you don't want to hear what I have to say doesn't mean its not worthwhile

It just means you are one of those types that would rather ignore everything different instead of realizing that not everyone has your views

10/25/2006 5:31:40 PM

"Some Iraqi security forces are performing below expectations"

What were the expectations, and who determined that? Did we base those expectations on how long it takes us to train a soldier (you know, guys who want to be there, and kick some serious butt) and just assume that a bunch of brownies will take the same bat shit crazy killer mentality that our boys take?

Did we think we could just, create a US equivalent (or something beginning to approximate it) army that could secure itself in a retardedly short amount of time?

10/25/2006 5:33:05 PM

Your theory on why I don't pay attention to you does a very good job at explaining why I do listen to all of the other people on this board with whom I disagree.

It's you, Pryderi, and Randy.

Obviously it's your political views.

10/25/2006 5:34:10 PM

obviously its your misconceptions

funny though you say you dont listen to pryderi when that quote shows you did listen to him just 3 weeks ago

your problem is you realize when some people act up and make dumb posts, but you just cant get it through your head that you do the same things...you think you're high and mighty or something when you do just what everyone else does

10/25/2006 5:35:43 PM

Well, I think I pointed out that this administration is definitely more concerned with manipulating perception via language than coming up with real plans.

It can be locked.

10/25/2006 5:39:56 PM

But people know not to pay attention to posts sandwiched between Treetard posts.

Of course they'll be useless posts; look who they're talking to!

So I'm pretty much in the clear. You, on the other hand.

10/25/2006 5:39:57 PM

10/25/2006 6:05:47 PM

http://thismodernworld.com/3273

10/26/2006 10:35:21 AM

Quote :

"again you're just posting your own personal opinions"

What opinions are you referring to? If you're going to be taken seriously, then please don't waste time or space writing a half of a sentence in response to several paragraphs worth of input.

^ I don't know if you can find a more clear cut example of language manipulation over policy change than that video.

10/26/2006 5:19:57 PM

you didnt post any proof that "the administration is more interested in verbage than substance"

you just posted some of your own opinions that supported your hypothesis

let alone considering the fact that the title of this thread is fundamentally impossible to prove or disprove since you cant quantify interest

and therefore my request for evidence that I asked of State409c is impossible to produce

so you didnt produce evidence...just your own personal opinions...understand??

10/26/2006 5:23:59 PM

Your question in and of itself is absurd.

First of all

What metric would you actually use to determine if the admin has been more interested in language manip than governing? We could set this up in any way so that either side can win this metric.

I'm sure you don't have any ideas. But I have one.

How about the number of times "stay the course" was used versus progress we actually made in "staying the course"?

Maybe we should poll congressmen to see if they feel like they have done more governing than language manipulation. What do you think they will say? How do you actually defined "governing"? Number of bills passed? Positive impact to daily life in America because of those bills?




Your problem is, you can't decide when you want to play the opinion game or you want to play the proof/evidence game.

The moment someone states some hyperbole (of which my question most certainly was), you quote it out of the context of a lot of other substance in their post, and then ask them to prove it.

Which is utterly...fucking...stupid.

Some people actually take the time to point out it was an opinion, or that it can't be proven. At this point, you claim some sort of victory, and proceed with calling someone else an idiot for thinking their opinion was fact, which is you putting words in their mouth.

And then you wonder when people get pissed off.

[Edited on October 26, 2006 at 5:35 PM. Reason : oh lovely, a ghost edit - im not taking any of my shit down when you do some fuck stick shit like th]

10/26/2006 5:33:54 PM

thanks for finally addressing my request for evidence that i made to you yesterday

and thanks for this thread, which essentially more "pryderi on steroids"

Quote :

"oh lovely, a ghost edit - im not taking any of my shit down when you do some fuck stick shit like th] "

hahaha you get all irrate over a ghost edit...man you might want to take an anger management class, you seem to get riled up very easily

10/26/2006 5:35:08 PM

Quote :

" and thanks for this thread, which essentially more "pryderi on steroids""

How do you figure?

You don't agree that this administration has been more effective than any other in recent memory at language manipulation to keep American people in the dark about the state of things?

You aren't bothered when for years, an administration uses the term "stay the course" daily and labels everyone else a "cut and runner" (whatever that means) suddenly switches the langauge and boldly states on national television "it was never cut and run"?

You should be insulted that he thinks you are this stupid to just not get it. Or...maybe you really are?


You fools really aren't accomplishing much claiming I am irate and angry when my heart rate is probably in the 50s at the moment. You know, because I don't poison myself with smoke, and I'm not a lazy bastard like you are.

[Edited on October 26, 2006 at 5:40 PM. Reason : a]

10/26/2006 5:38:55 PM

^how did i know the last line of that post was going to be another shot at someone's intelligence?

I'm not the one hung up on phrases like "cut and run" or "stay the course"

maybe you shouldnt be so caught up on that either...they're fucking phrases..."cut and run" flows a little more easily than "withdrawl the troops from iraq" and "stay the course" is quicker to say than "remain in iraq, combatting insurgents and attempting to form a stable govt"

But you make a thread harping on some damn phrases

^oh look the new last line is another personal shot...no surprise again

[Edited on October 26, 2006 at 5:41 PM. Reason : .]

10/26/2006 5:41:15 PM

It's fine if you want to minimize the issue, it's in my opinion much more serious than that. Why you are still in this thread at this point, I'm not sure?

10/26/2006 5:50:41 PM

Holy shit he makes a post without tossing around some off-topic personal intelligence attacks, I don't believe it!

10/26/2006 5:51:50 PM

If you don't have anything to add other than "it isn't a big deal", then get out. Seriously, you're done with this thread.

10/26/2006 5:52:46 PM

lay off the clear and cream, pryderi

10/26/2006 5:53:24 PM

Well, you lost this thread. Thats fo sho.

10/26/2006 5:54:37 PM