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"you cant even own a handgun legally"

wrong


ps. isn't that a girl's name?

9/2/2006 7:00:41 PM

Oh right...

You CAN own a handgun at 18. You have to be 21 for an FFL to transfer one to you.

Meaning you can get one as a gift, but not purchase it yourself. (Technically, face to face sellers are supposed to get a pistol purchase permit from buyers.)

9/2/2006 7:22:22 PM

You can NOT own a handgun at 18. You can POSSESS one. To own one (in your name), you must have a pistol purchase permit or CCW to complete the transfer. Under the law, ownership and possession are two different things. I had much correspondence with Detective Bumgardner downtown concerning this:

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"> Yes, I think you understand this statute well. The actual possession of > the weapon is what the law deals with, not the matter of a purchase or a > loaning of the weapon. If the 20 year old were stopped by an officer, the > only matter is whether he can, and is, possessing the weapon legally. > > I believe that the term "transfer" certainly deals with a transfer of > ownership, not simply possession. If transfer meant simply possession, > then everyone would be restricted from being in possession of anyone else's > weapon without proof of ownership. Nothing in the law mandates the > "possessor" of the weapon to prove "ownership." It's the possession that > is in question. > > I hope this helps. > > > Det. A.W. Bumgardner > (919) 856-6851"

Also note that since this is a gray area, it can be interpreted by different jurisdictions as they wish. Also, even if you're technically in the right, if something happened, there's a good chance you might spend a little time in the back of Officer Friendly's car until things got straightened out. At the very least you would get a lot of shit about it.


[Edited on September 2, 2006 at 9:22 PM. Reason : 2]

9/2/2006 9:12:53 PM

*scratches head*

So for all practical purposes, you can own a gun at 18, you just can't buy it yourself?

And are you sure you can't be gifted a handgun at 18?

[Edited on September 2, 2006 at 9:41 PM. Reason : .]

9/2/2006 9:39:20 PM

why do people bother questioning me?

9/2/2006 9:51:21 PM

^^ Pretty much. At 18, 19, or 20, I could keep a handgun in my house, open carry in the car or public (where allowed), take it to the range, etc. For all purposes, it would appear to be mine. However, if anyone asks, it's not mine, it's "on loan".

For a transfer of ownership, such as a gift, you (Person A)would still be required to have a CCW permit or give the gift-giver (Person B) a purchase permit. Person B can make the gun available for Person A's exclusive use, but if anyone asks, the gun belongs to Person B.

[Edited on September 3, 2006 at 11:37 AM. Reason : 22]

9/3/2006 11:34:37 AM

OK, I'll probably get called a "pussy" for this but WTF.
I'm not into hand guns as a hobby. I've got several around the house for PROTECTION.
Here is what I recommend for someone who is like me.

Stick with revolvers.

Why?

because (IMHO) they have no safety. I know this sounds bad, but to fire a revolver you really have to pull on the trigger, unless you cock it first. This means that if some fuck has just barged into your home and you can at least get to the gun, you can squeeze off a shot and have a chance without wondering if:

A: the safety is on
B: a round is chambered

also, a revolver will not go off if you drop it (if not cocked)

I shoot all of my guns every six months and set my targets up for 20 feet.
Then I take the guns home and clean them immediatley.
Only my wife and I know where they are placed.
Dont buy a cheep gun. Buy a dependable one.
I favor S&W light weight snub nose .38's, but also have a 357 and .22 that holds 9 rounds.
Why do I like a .38? Because I can fire it, hold the kick, and still have my target sighted.
A hollow point .38 can do a lot of damage at close range.
As a matter of fact, right now I'm using .38 in my 357, although it's +p ammo, because my
wife might need to use these guns and a weapon that can't be held on target is not a good thing.

Also, for home protection nothing beats good 'ol shotgun. I got one of those as well.

Oh, one more thing.
I will not let ANY children into my home untill I have unloaded all of my weapons.
So I'm fucked if someone decides to invade my house during that time, but I could never forgive myself if some kid killed himself with one of my guns.

disclaimer:
darscuzlo is not a survivalist, redneck, or even a Teg Nugent fan.

9/3/2006 6:47:17 PM

revolvers are stone cold reliable, and simple to use for the rank beginner. in that regard, they're great personal protection weapons.

however, a good semi-auto is, for all practical purposes, 100% reliable. if you get something like a SIG or a Glock (or many other DA or DA-SA pistols), there is no safety on them, either...just pick it up and squeeze the trigger like a revolver. the maladies you are talking about are largely limited to the realm of SA pistols like 1911s.

______________________________________________

Shotguns are the money for home protection.

if you want a .38, get a .357. you can always just shoot .38 ammo in it, but then you have the option of loaded .357 in it (they are, despite the name, the EXACT same size bullet).

9/3/2006 8:41:33 PM

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"also, a revolver will not go off if you drop it (if not cocked) "

the older ones will, if the firing pin is attached to the hammer dropping it could cause it to discharge. the newer ones have a transfer bar that the hammer hits, the transfer bar in turn hits the firing pin. the transfer bar is only raised into postion when the hammer is pulled so it much safer.

9/3/2006 9:14:44 PM

Ehh.

Issues with checking the safety can be solved with practice/training. Personally, if I pick up a pistol with a normal (i.e. safe is UP...fuck you Beretta!) frame-mounted safety, I pretty much instinctively flick the safety off as I pick it up and bring it to firing position. I have to think about it to put the safety back ON, but that's a little less important in an "OH FUCK OH FUCK" situation.

As for revolvers being more reliable, it depends. You certainly can't operate a semiauto (well, you'll get one shot) out of an enclosed space, like a purse or pocket. At the same time, if you DO have a revolver lock up on you (dirt in the cylinder mechanisms will do it), you are fucked. If your cylinder binds, you'll at least have to detail strip, and you might need to take it to a gunsmith. Semiautos are probably easier to jam under normal conditions, but their jams are also a lot easier to clear. Case failures in revolvers can be really ugly, too...on a semiauto, if it doesn't just KB altogether, then you can keep going. On a revolver, unless you get lucky, chunks of broken casing will jam the cylinder in place. Again, time to detail strip—if you can.

Now, all that said, a revolver is still probably easier for a newbie to deal with. No DA/SA transition, no safety to fiddle with, and no worries about limpwristing.

Main thing: NO handgun, revolver or semiautomatic, is going to be a good choice for someone who has not/does not train with it.

9/4/2006 12:29:38 AM

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"OK, I'll probably get called a "pussy" for this but WTF. I'm not into hand guns as a hobby. I've got several around the house for PROTECTION."

Let me get this straight...

-You're not into handguns as a hobby.
-You ARE into handguns as useful defensive tools. And you even choose weapons/loads so your SO can use them effectively.

So basically, you're taking care of yourself and yours. What's "pussy" about that? I'm not terribly fond of handguns myself; I greatly prefer rifles.

9/4/2006 1:06:22 AM

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"Main thing: NO handgun, revolver or semiautomatic, is going to be a good choice for someone who has not/does not train with it. "

agreed.

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"So basically, you're taking care of yourself and yours. What's "pussy" about that? I'm not terribly fond of handguns myself; I greatly prefer rifles. "

just a pre-emptive "flame" strike. Then again, this is the lounge so I should
have expected mature responses and not BS one gets in chit-chat.

9/4/2006 10:11:21 AM

Back to that gifting thing-- how is giving a pistol as a gift or loaning one to someone different from a straw purchase?

Curiosity has gotten the best of me here.

9/4/2006 2:23:11 PM

I've asked this before but...

If I have only shot a handgun once, what is the best range / place to go to were I can take an *inexpensive* safety class and get a chance to shoot a few different types of guns to get a feel for things so I can start to go on my own.

I really don't know anyone I could go with who is knowledgeable.

9/4/2006 2:35:10 PM

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"Back to that gifting thing-- how is giving a pistol as a gift or loaning one to someone different from a straw purchase?"

A straw purchase is when someone purchases a firearm to give or sell it to someone otherwise prohibited from possessing a firearm. That should be enough to answer the question.

[Edited on September 4, 2006 at 3:54 PM. Reason : /]

9/4/2006 3:53:59 PM

Ah, that makes sense. I thought it was a straw purchase no matter who you gave it to. thanks for the clarify

9/4/2006 3:56:37 PM

I'm old enough to possess a handgun and I do. A lot of states up north require purchase permits but a lot of southern states don't restrict civil rights like that. I'm not old enough to get a north carolina permit but I'm legal according to § 14-415.24

I don't have any problems with cops anyways because a 1911 conceals easy with a good holster.

9/4/2006 5:04:09 PM

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"if you want a .38, get a .357. you can always just shoot .38 ammo in it, but then you have the option of loaded .357 in it (they are, despite the name, the EXACT same size bullet). "

to clarify you can shoot a 38 spl thru a 357 mag but cannot shoot a 357 mag thru a 38. the 357 is slightly larger than the 38 if u try to shoot a 357 in a 38 there is a good chance u'll screw something up if not get ur self hurt.

9/4/2006 6:36:47 PM

right. can't shoot .357 in a .38.

they are the exact same size bullet, but the .357 case is a little bigger.

9/4/2006 7:21:44 PM

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"If I have only shot a handgun once, what is the best range / place to go to were I can take an *inexpensive* safety class and get a chance to shoot a few different types of guns to get a feel for things so I can start to go on my own."

SAFETY class? Just about any decent gun shop will talk you through the general safety rules. They're really quite simple. Here is a general safety overview.

As for trying out lots of different guns, that's a little problematic. Only range I've been to with decent pistol rental selection is Calibers, and that's in (past, really...I-40 exit 211!) Greensboro. Your best bet is just to make friends with people with lots of different guns.

9/4/2006 8:09:23 PM

^or like a basic intro so i can learn a few things

maybe ill just call and find sometime to go in and get them to show me things

9/4/2006 8:23:27 PM

Heck, ask one of us on TWW to show you the ropes. Trolls aside, we seem to have a good number of safe and responsible gunners on here.

9/4/2006 10:00:40 PM

watch out for the gun store commandos trying to sell you something you dont need. PDHSC is pretty good, they offer a beginner class thats pretty reasonable, and they have several rentals of different styles and calibers. try before you buy, and dont be afraid to spend a little money. a good gun is a pleasure, but a jam o matic is a friggin headache.

9/4/2006 10:21:08 PM

http://www.wral.com/news/9810337/detail.html
why im not a fan of glocks

i dont believe in the whole KISS-(keep it simple stupid) rule of thumb glock fans have.


dude shouldnt be carrying it mexican style anyway

9/8/2006 2:28:39 PM

http://www.springfield-armory.com/prod-xdpstl-45acp.shtml

9/8/2006 3:40:31 PM

anyone try the new Smith & Wesson semi-auto(MP9 and MP40, I think)?

Saw them at Davi's yesterday and was curious.

9/8/2006 3:47:47 PM

^ I'm not a big fan of any gun you need a special tool to disassemble

I also don't like any auto S&W puts out. look at a sigma and you'll understand

[Edited on September 8, 2006 at 4:06 PM. Reason : .]

9/8/2006 4:05:28 PM

i'm getting a 22 this weekend
can't wait to find a range and start shooting

( i used to be an instructor at boy scout camp )


Recommend some good ranges in the area please


[Edited on September 8, 2006 at 6:40 PM. Reason : dude]

9/8/2006 6:39:42 PM

I'm a fan of the Sigs - ive got a Sigpro (.357sig) - as well as any of the glock models, preferrably the 26/27 models for size and decent capacity.

9/8/2006 6:48:33 PM

i had a sig pro in 9mm and thought that it was terrible.

their metal framed ones are fantastic though, i'm debating picking up a 238 for ccw.

9/8/2006 8:03:45 PM

^&^^ i gotta Sig P220 and i love it, it's prolly my fav pistol.

^^^ i got a walther p22 recently and it's pretty kick ass, good grouping, good feel.

9/8/2006 8:45:20 PM

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"Recommend some good ranges in the area please"

danielle, go to PDHSC. don't even bother checking any other ranges out.

http://www.pdhsc.com

and if you want a .22, i think a SIG Trailside would be totally sweet (although certainly not the cheapest route).

9/8/2006 10:17:14 PM

^ditto

9/9/2006 12:46:14 AM

Mr.J: I've heard good things about the new M&P pistols.

Another range to look into is the Wake FETC. (Just Google it.)

9/9/2006 2:15:55 AM

I was just curious. I've already got a full size auto. If I get another pistol anytime soon, it will be a smaller one that I can conceal more easily.

9/9/2006 1:35:40 PM

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"I don't have any problems with cops anyways because a 1911 conceals easy with a good holster. "

i hope you get busted, dumbass

can we say felony?

9/9/2006 1:37:18 PM

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"i hope you get busted, dumbass"

9/9/2006 3:08:00 PM

^^ I can. Can you?

You obviously don't know the difference between a felony and a class 2 misdemeanor. You obviously didn't understand when I said I'm legal according to § 14-415.24. Do you enjoy showing off your impressive ignorance?

9/9/2006 6:09:06 PM

Here is § 14-415.24:

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"§ 14-415.24. Reciprocity; out-of-state handgun permits. (a) A valid concealed handgun permit or license issued by another state is valid in North Carolina if that state grants the same right to residents of North Carolina who have valid concealed handgun permits issued pursuant to this Article in their possession while carrying concealed weapons in that state. (b) The Attorney General shall maintain a registry of states that meet the requirements of this section on the North Carolina Criminal Information Network and make the registry available to law enforcement officers for investigative purposes. (c) Every 12 months after the effective date of this subsection, the Department of Justice shall make written inquiry of the concealed handgun permitting authorities in each other state as to: (i) whether a North Carolina resident may carry a concealed handgun in their state based upon having a valid North Carolina concealed handgun permit and (ii) whether a North Carolina resident may apply for a concealed handgun permit in that state based upon having a valid North Carolina concealed handgun permit. The Department of Justice shall attempt to secure from each state permission for North Carolina residents who hold a valid North Carolina concealed handgun permit to carry a concealed handgun in that state, either on the basis of the North Carolina permit or on the basis that the North Carolina permit is sufficient to permit the issuance of a similar license or permit by the other state. (2003-199, s. 1.) "

Not sure where you got your CCW permit under 21 from one of these states:

Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Kentucky
Louisiana
Michigan
Mississippi
Montana
New Hampshire
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
Washington
Wyoming

[Edited on September 9, 2006 at 7:17 PM. Reason : ++]

9/9/2006 6:57:28 PM

http://www.ncdoj.com/DocumentStreamerClient?directory=Publications&file=listofstates.pdf

9/9/2006 7:15:48 PM

Which state is your CCW permit from?

9/9/2006 7:20:05 PM

A couple of states have dispensations for military personnel to get CHLs under 21.

9/9/2006 7:39:57 PM

^ I'm pretty sure those are for on-duty, though.

9/9/2006 8:03:21 PM

NC CCPs are valid in all the blue states

9/9/2006 8:23:15 PM

^^
Nope. There are actually states which lower the CHL floor to 18 for people with military service.

I don't remember which ones (I think there are only two), though. And I'm too lazy to Google it.

9/9/2006 8:49:23 PM

^ thats great. i was going to have to look that up before my month in florida

9/9/2006 8:49:31 PM

personally I think Davi's is the place to go shoot when you're looking for a gun. They just seem to have a much larger selection than anyone else. However, PDHSC's knowledge, advice, etc. is much better. If you want a class, that's definitely where I'd go.

As for the Hi-points, I was curious about them and figured for $150 I'd try one out. Accuracy was amazing for the price (it was a C9 btw). Grip is a bit odd depending on your hands (took me about 250 rds to get used to it). Overall, they are complete CRAP through 100 rds. After 100 rds, they start getting better. They ARE very ammo picky (mine hated winchester but loved the big box of remington). After 300 rds, I would get a ftf every 100 or so when I didn't pay attention to the round attitude when loading (first round MUST point "up" in the mag or it doesn't like to feed). They also coat the feed ramp too heavily which is where most of the ftf problems result. People that polish it typically don't have issues. Overall, I'd highly recommend it for someone with a little experience (i.e. first gun only after you've first several hundred rounds through others) due to needing to pay attention to the round attitude when loading the mag. Overall, it was def. worth what I paid (and then sold it for $5 less than I paid). Only downside is they're hard to find new (old ones WERE crap). Got mine from Zebulon pawn.

9/10/2006 2:44:17 PM

^
I've heard that the Hi-Points work better when you...

1. Use the major rounds, as in .40 and .45 (more impulse, and these are blowback guns)
2. Smack the back of the magazine into your palm, against your thigh, etc. (to get cartridges aligned right)
3. Break them in

I dunno, I just can't get used to those crazy slides. It's like holding a brick by a handle sticking out under the brick.

I still want a carbine, though.

9/10/2006 3:05:31 PM

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"§ 14-415.24. Reciprocity; out-of-state handgun permits. (a) A valid concealed handgun permit or license issued by another state is valid in North Carolina if that state grants the same right to residents of North Carolina who have valid concealed handgun permits issued pursuant to this Article in their possession while carrying concealed weapons in that state."

So they only have reciprocity if we have reciprocity with them? WTG General Assembly..

9/24/2006 6:55:27 PM

its on my list of things to get also

9/24/2006 7:12:06 PM