My plan was to go into grad school eventually, so this isn't a tragedy or anything. It would've been nice to earn some cash and do a little to pay back society beforehand, but "eh."

I was just wanting to make sure that I wasn't doing anything wrong. All the people around me are shocked that I'm having no luck with the job hunt, and it was making me feel pretty crappy.

I did the substituting thing (Dec grad), but it's incredibly annoying in the county where I'm currently living. Because of the way the electronic sign-up system works, you literally need to spend a few hours on the internet each night just trying to get a job for the next day. You have to accept posted jobs by viewing the description and hitting the "accept" button, but the kicker is you can't actually accept them if someone else is viewing the same job. Meaning you have to spend all night hitting the "accept" button until you get lucky (or not). Drove me up the wall. I imagined what Ebay would be like if you couldn't bid on an item if someone else was currently viewing it.

Not to mention that it's usually the terrible teachers with awful kids who are making the most use of substitutes

7/30/2006 10:14:32 PM

do you really buy the "doing it for the kids", "paying back society", noble cause stuff (crap)?

You do actually enjoy teaching don't you? If not you should probably find something else to do because eventually that's going to get old.

7/30/2006 10:35:36 PM

No, teaching's a ton of fun.

I guess my last statement could be taken the other way, though. It wasn't meant to; the "eh" is me being incredibly bitter towards the school systems. I <3 Teaching.

Loving it doesn't mean you have to do it for life, though.


[Edited on July 30, 2006 at 10:49 PM. Reason : .]

7/30/2006 10:38:46 PM

cool, i was just wondering because once or twice it seemed like you may have been more enthralled with the idea of teaching than actually teaching. And I hate that a lot of people see teaching as some sort of sacrifice for the kids, or just giving back to society, etc..

7/31/2006 1:52:03 AM

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"Not to mention that it's usually the terrible teachers with awful kids who are making the most use of substitutes"

More than likely you will have these kids since you are on the bottom of the totem pole.

Even though I feel that teachers with more experience should work more with the difficult students, they won't agree to it because they don't want to deal with those types of kids. Therefore the younger teachers get stuck with those kids which burns them out quicker.



Also the reason why Math and Science teachers are needed the most is because these two subjects require the most "teaching." Also in math, the students do not retain anything. I don't know how many times I had to show how to solve a simple equation last year in my GEOMETRY class.

8/1/2006 11:11:30 AM

Too lazy to read the other posts, but people need to stop assuming degree = job. Especially if its something in CHASS. Also, a 3.34 GPA to top it all off? It's fucking history, not rocket science.

8/1/2006 11:14:44 AM

A 3.34 is cum laude, you goddamn CSC snob.

8/1/2006 11:48:21 AM

yeah - but....it's history - people have had history mastered for years - not a whole hell of a lot going on in that area - especially on the undergrad degree level

8/1/2006 11:51:06 AM

I think if we were doing a good job of teaching history, our state of world affairs would be a lot better and we wouldn't be losing our freedoms.

8/1/2006 12:09:48 PM

You don't 'master' history. You can learn undergrad history, but degrees like that don't really begin till post doctorate work when you're doing research on your own and contributing to your field.

8/1/2006 12:20:46 PM

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"Also the reason why Math and Science teachers are needed the most is because these two subjects require the most "teaching." Also in math, the students do not retain anything. I don't know how many times I had to show how to solve a simple equation last year in my GEOMETRY class."

That doesn't make sense. I think what you're saying by "more 'teaching'" is that it takes more in the classroom on the teachers' part... right? if that's the case that doesn't affect the number of classrooms teachers are needed for, which is what would affect the amount of jobs available. If anything that would make those subjects more competitive, which could then make it more difficult to find a job, but you didn't say that. Now if you were to say that there are more math subjects than history subjects that could impact the number of jobs.

And I'm not really sure math or science take the "most 'teaching'" either.

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"Also in math, the students do not retain anything. I don't know how many times I had to show how to solve a simple equation last year in my GEOMETRY class."

Have you considered the possibility that the problem is you?

Not trying to be a dick, just wondering

8/1/2006 1:02:56 PM

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"people have had history mastered for years"

8/1/2006 1:19:09 PM

8/1/2006 1:26:42 PM

8/1/2006 1:54:15 PM

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"Have you considered the possibility that the problem is you? Not trying to be a dick, just wondering"

You're certainly coming across as one.

He is supposed geometry, not algebra. He should be able to spend class time doing his job, and not the job of the last teachers the kids had.

8/1/2006 1:57:15 PM

Yeah, when kids don't know the very basic stuff they're supposed to know as a prerequisite for a course, the current teacher can't do a whole lot about that.

8/1/2006 2:03:26 PM

Thank you.

What I mean by "more teaching" is that in some classes, you can have the students look at a book and find the answers. You can't do that in math and science. If I gave my students a worksheet and told them to figure out how to do the problems without any instruction they would get frustrated and I would have a line of students at my desk asking me for help.

When the students decide that they want to TRY then they will succeed. When students won't memorize simple little facts like where a hypotenuse is on a right triangle, how to solve equations, or something more simple that should have learned in elementary school(how to classify triangles by angles or sides) and they won't even crack open a book to do homework, and don't bring school supplies then it is almost impossible for a teacher to do his/her job effectively.

The state of NC, provides SCOS for each subject. Last semester I didn't get to cover my entire SCOS because for 30 minutes each day I was having to reteach solving equations, or simple stuff that should have been learned a month prior. I still had students at the end of the semester to not be able to tell me how degrees are in a triangle or a circle even though it is something that is mentioned at least once a week.

When I taught Alg 1 in Wake County, I had low level students. By the end of the second semester with those students(Alg 1A-fall Alg 1B-spring) the majority of them could solve equations, inequatilies, and a lot of word problems and most of them were very pissed at me when I told them I was leaving after they took their EOC. Those students wanted me for their future math classes because they learned. Even though they did not like to study and half of the time didn't have materials, they at least tried to learn the material that was presented to them.

The school I worked at last semester offered after school transportation to any student that needed to stay afterschool for remediation. When I told the students that were struggling that they needed to stay after school for extra help, they couldn't because they had a job. When I called the parents I either couldn't get them(phone was disconnected) or they told me that their son/daughter had a job.

The last thing is that the parents/students will spend 100 dollar + on games, shoes, clothing, whatever but they won't spend a few bucks on a 4 function calculator or paper and pencils. I had a student tell me that he couldn't afford a 10 dollar scientific calculator last year and the next day he came in with new set of earrings in his ear and a grill in his mouth.

/rant

8/1/2006 2:20:21 PM

part of the problem is that there are (at least) two distinct cycles to the k-12 public school teacher hiring process (traditional calendar).

I don't know wtf is going on with the summer hiring. same job-hunt results on my end (English).

Now, as school draws near and people start bugging out of committments they've already made to schools, teaching jobs will open up. This will be the time when principals start calling you (I speculate). This is the time-frame I'm hoping will provide a job to me (who also hasn't been hired, with a M.S. Ed. in English Ed).

.02 c.

8/1/2006 2:30:58 PM

^I hope you're right because I really do not want to go back to work in Customer Service at Best Buy with my English Ed. degree.

8/1/2006 2:39:02 PM

^^ I'm still hopeful for that reason.

Now the principals are going to have to settle for the dregs

8/1/2006 3:01:58 PM

When I worked at Lowe's Hardware one of my managers had an english degree

8/1/2006 3:44:38 PM

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"A 3.34 is cum laude, you goddamn CSC snob."

B+ Ladefuckingda

I had one higher than that, great experience, and a shitload of connections in the industry and it still took me months to get a ft job, and that's csc. I couldn't imagine if I had majored in something like history, com, psy etc. and expected to get picked up right out of college with just a bs.

8/1/2006 4:27:53 PM

See, when you graduate from NCSU with a BA/S and a teaching license, you're not just some kid fresh out of college with an undergraduate degree. We give up all of our ellectives in order to make room for an internship (student teaching) and classes that qualify us for a Class A teaching license. So we come out highly qualified with a degree in a field, experience, and a license. We're also given the impression by professors and advisors that we'll be able to easily find teaching jobs after graduation because there is a SHORTAGE. Well, I graduated 8 months ago and I still do not have a job teaching high school English. Admittedly, were I willing to leave my local area, I could have found a job before now. Unfortunately, I cannot move because my husband is tied to his job here.

Not to mention, I know several people who did their student teaching with me who were going for their licensure only who have advanced degrees who are having difficulty finding a job.

Eh, a B+ isn't awesome for an education degree because if you love the subject you're going to teach and the idea of teaching in general, you should ace it because it's fun. Unfortunately, I graduated with a B+, but only because I went through half of a BS in Biology before I realized that I would never graduate because I couldn't pass Cal 2 or Organic Chem to save my damned life.

[Edited on August 1, 2006 at 4:45 PM. Reason : edit.]

8/1/2006 4:44:39 PM

Sorry for the long post. It's mostly concerning StayPuff so if you're aren't interested just skip over it.

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"You're certainly coming across as one. He is supposed geometry, not algebra. He should be able to spend class time doing his job, and not the job of the last teachers the kids had."

There are a lot of crap teachers out there. It could easily be him, I didn't mean to suggest that it was, just asking if he has reflected on his methods and efforts. But I knew it may be taken the wrong way, that's why I said "not trying to be a dick, just wondering"

He could have meant numerous things by "show how to solve a simple equation"... it could have meant that he was showing them over and over how to solve for tangent. I didn't want to infer too much, specifically because of his suggestion as to why Math and Science teachers are needed more than others. But if it is that they just couldn't solve for a variable then I'm sorry if you took it the wrong way, and that ambrosia1231 did. Although, after reviewing the material it can then be put on your shoulders.

And the students not retaing information is not necessarily the problem of the last teacher either. Look into the benefits of year round schools compared to traditional calenders.

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"What I mean by "more teaching" is that in some classes, you can have the students look at a book and find the answers. You can't do that in math and science. If I gave my students a worksheet and told them to figure out how to do the problems without any instruction they would get frustrated and I would have a line of students at my desk asking me for help."

As far as just reading out of the book in history classes that depends on the methods being used, not the course itself. I will acknowledge that it is common for social studies teachers (usually shitty ones) to use these techniques often (but do they use them anymore than Math teachers have students do problems out of the book?). However, this makes neither Math nor Science teachers needed more so than other contents as you suggested.

If Math and Science teachers really did have to spend more time with their students (which isn't necessarily true)... that doesn't really mean anything when it comes to the job market. One could possibly infer that because of this schools will want better teachers in these subjects than others (although that's somewhat absurd), but for arguments sake, that would just mean they are looking for better teachers in those areas, not more. You could then begin to say that because they're looking for high quality they are turning more people down, thus leaving more openings where as principals are taking lesser quality teachers in other contents (because they're easier to teach) thus filling up those positions. Of course, this is all nonsense.

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"When the students decide that they want to TRY then they will succeed. When students won't memorize simple little facts like where a hypotenuse is on a right triangle, how to solve equations, or something more simple that should have learned in elementary school(how to classify triangles by angles or sides) and they won't even crack open a book to do homework, and don't bring school supplies then it is almost impossible for a teacher to do his/her job effectively."

Part of a teachers job (whether it's stated or not) is to motivate students. I know this is not always possible, but some teachers are certainly better at it than others. So it is important as a teacher to reflect on this and ask yourself if you could possibly do even the least bit better in this area. If you're not asking yourself these sorts of questions then you're not doing your best as a teacher.

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"The state of NC, provides SCOS for each subject. Last semester I didn't get to cover my entire SCOS because for 30 minutes each day I was having to reteach solving equations, or simple stuff that should have been learned a month prior. I still had students at the end of the semester to not be able to tell me how degrees are in a triangle or a circle even though it is something that is mentioned at least once a week."

This is stuff related to your subject (past teachers can't be directly held accountable), if they are not learning it then yes it is possibly their fault but it is also possibly your fault or some combination of both. I'm not saying it is your fault, I just asked if you considered it. Have you been reaching out to as many learning styles as possible (not an easy task, but these are the things that set apart the best teachers). I just asked if you considered it?

That is why I said i'm not trying to be dick, they are just genuine questions. There are a lot of shitty teachers who don't bother trying.

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"When I taught Alg 1 in Wake County, I had low level students. By the end of the second semester with those students(Alg 1A-fall Alg 1B-spring) the majority of them could solve equations, inequatilies, and a lot of word problems and most of them were very pissed at me when I told them I was leaving after they took their EOC. Those students wanted me for their future math classes because they learned. Even though they did not like to study and half of the time didn't have materials, they at least tried to learn the material that was presented to them."

Why were you able to reach those students and not these students? You can't get through to every student, but the majority of a class? Is there a big cultural difference between the students in each of the schools? Maybe there's a gap there, and you just can't span it. Nothing wrong with that, nothing to be ashamed of, but perhaps there is someone that would be better in you current school but not so good in your old school. Maybe it's just never going to happen for them. Once again, just asking if you've considered these things.

I would have also asked about contacting parents (even though they're not always helpful) but you already addressed that, and I'm glad that you have. And it leads me to believe that you may have taking other steps as well. However, I could not just assume that based on what you had said previously.

Let me iterate; Not trying to be a dick, just asking if you have considered these things because some teachers don't. If you have, then my sympathy goes out to you. I'm not apologizing for my question because if anyone thought it offensive then they were reading too much into it.

Your reasoning as to why there are more Math and Science openings is flawed though, so anything I said about that stands.

[Edited on August 1, 2006 at 4:54 PM. Reason : sorry]

8/1/2006 4:49:46 PM

my mom is a teacher in Wilson County at a HS. She said they need math teachers.

8/1/2006 4:51:56 PM

I will be back on later tonight to respond...

8/1/2006 5:18:09 PM

there is more of a demand for math/science teachers because several of them every year leave to do something else. Hell, in my school system, we got a $1000 bonus if we promised to stay on for more than a year. We had 3 first year math teachers leave to go back to grad school, and 4 science teachers leave to pursue other jobs. From my experience, most math teachers were math/ed double major, or just math majors that teach with provisional certs. The same goes for many of the science teachers I know, so they arent stuck as lifelong teachers if they want to try something else. The english/SS teachers at my school have all been there for at least 10 years (with the exception of maybe that moved into the area with previous experience).

In short, at least from my limited experience, the turnover rate is much high in math/science and thus the jobs are much easier to find.

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"The last thing is that the parents/students will spend 100 dollar + on games, shoes, clothing, whatever but they won't spend a few bucks on a 4 function calculator or paper and pencils. I had a student tell me that he couldn't afford a 10 dollar scientific calculator last year and the next day he came in with new set of earrings in his ear and a grill in his mouth."

I find that absolutely infuriating too. I had students come in every day asking for pencils and paper, but would have new clothes every couple of weeks. Sometimes I would just be shooting the shit with them and ask about their cell bills (since they used to have the damn things out almost every day, until I took them) and most would say that their bill were over 150 a month, and one girl said hers got over 300 one month. I was absolutely shocked at this and told them they should not use their phone for just one month and buy a graphing calculator and some pencils, and they would just half laugh, but look at me like I was crazy.

Some of these kids just dont give a shit about learning, no matter how hard you try. I had one student hand me his homework every day in the hall before class, and when I asked him why, he said he didnt want the other kids making fun of him. How fucking sad is that?? He was afraid that his friends would crack on him for trying to succeed in class. Unless you have taught in an inner city school, you have no idea how hard it is to get some of these kids to come to class, much less get them to want to learn.

To the original poster...good luck with your job search. Have you considered other neighboring states?

8/1/2006 7:45:50 PM

the worst part about all of this is

some of you might teach my kids someday

that scares me

8/1/2006 7:50:03 PM

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"because anybody can teach groups of children what they don't necessarilly want to know, while keeping them intrested enough to learn Lets not forget the whole "the children are our future" bit"

You mistook my statement of the reality as a statement of how things should be. You also seem to have a highly idealistic conception of what is expected from teachers or how important they are in the grand scheme of things.

In a fantasy world, teachers would be paid a lot so that highly talented, intelligent people would be attracted to the job. Instead, the market has found its equilibrium at a relatively low pay level that doesn't attract these types of people. This indicates that the market doesn't see that much value in paying a lot for primary education (after all, we are the richest, most powerful country in the world, and we got that way despite not valuing teachers highly. What's the additional payoff from investing more?).

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" The last thing is that the parents/students will spend 100 dollar + on games, shoes, clothing, whatever but they won't spend a few bucks on a 4 function calculator or paper and pencils. I had a student tell me that he couldn't afford a 10 dollar scientific calculator last year and the next day he came in with new set of earrings in his ear and a grill in his mouth."

Is it wrong in these types of situations to call the kids out or call the parents and tell them they are dumbasses?

[Edited on August 1, 2006 at 8:48 PM. Reason : sdfsdf]

8/1/2006 8:39:50 PM

I hope not because I do it all the time...with a little different language.

8/1/2006 9:39:34 PM

What sort of practical advice do you guys have for first-year teachers with no classroom experience (coming into this thing lateral entry)?

I can google advice all day and night, but some real world stuff folks my age are experiencing would be helpful.

8/1/2006 9:44:04 PM

it's best to beat up the biggest fuckup in the class to establish a dominant position and authority

8/1/2006 9:48:25 PM

aha, just like in prison.

Stab someone the first day.

8/1/2006 9:49:42 PM

For the first day: You want them to know that you mean business right from the start. A lot of experienced teachers like to scare their kids on the first day. . .make it seem like the class is going to be extremely difficult and that you're going to be a real hardass. This is because it's very hard to tighten up on an unruly class late in the game, but so easy to loosen up when you realize that you have a great group of kids.

It's nice if kids have something to do from the minute the bell rings or even before the bell rings. Writing a paragraph on a topic on the board, a quick reading quiz, writing in a reading journal. . .whatever. That gets the kids settled and focused right from the start.

Speaking of quiz. Note cards are awesome! My cooperating teacher did all of her reading quizzes on index cards. She passed them out to all of the kids and then took them up and wrapped a rubber band around them. That way you don't have all of those papers to cart around. You can also pass them back out and have them flip them over for the next quiz. I loved it and found it to be ingenius.

Planning planning planning. Try to stay ahead of the game so if you finish what you have planned for the day you don't end up with 15 minutes and nothing to do. A class can very quickly become unruly when they're not occupied. So if you already know what coming up tomorrow, you can go ahead and get started on it.

My worst day as a student teacher was on a day when my cooperating teacher wasn't there, I was all alone, and I ran out of things to do. And I made the mistake of telling the kids that they could do whatever they wanted as long as they didn't leave the room, break school rules, or make too much noise. My seniors ended up taking the paper from the recycling bin, making dozens of paper balls, and playing basket ball with the them and a trash can. I ended up standing as look out at the door to make sure another teacher or administrator walked by. They were great kids and left the classroom spotless, but I was terrified that they were going to get so out of control that I would never be able to handle them.

8/1/2006 10:00:11 PM

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"What sort of practical advice do you guys have for first-year teachers with no classroom experience (coming into this thing lateral entry)?"

I definately agree about being strict as hell to start. I wasnt as hard as I should have been that first week and I paid for it the rest of the quarter. Make an example out of the first kid that tries to act up. I dont know how your school does it, but we have office referrals that you use to send kids out if they are disrupting class. Most kids act like they dont care, but as soon as they see you writting one out, they all quickly settle down. Once one kid gets sent out in the day, and they see you mean business, they will not fuck with you, at all.

Here is what I found works best (daily routine as a math teacher) -- I am on block schedule, so my times may be different than yours...adjust/leave steps out accordingly:

1. Have a warmup on the overhead/board/worksheet. This is a great way to get them ready to go as soon as they walk in. I usually had 4-5 problems related to the previous day's lesson. Take the roll as they are doing this, and pickup homework if you are going to collect it, or go spot check the homework. (5 mins)

2. Have them pass in the drill and then take any questions on that and the homework (10-15 mins).

3. Move into your lesson for the day. (30 mins max)

4. Do some cooperative learning for the students (group work on problems, a realted game, etc) while you circulate and check for understanding. Make sure the kids are staying on task, but dont be a dick about them chatting some (if they are working AND talking about socail things, let it be. As long as they are working on the problems together, you should be happy. I found that if you pair kids up by ability -- 1 smart, 2 normal, 1 slower, the smart and normal will pull the slower one up some, and the smart one will also help make the normal kids understand it better. (15-20 mins)

5. Assign a "closure" question about the day's lesson to check for understanding. (5 mins)

6. Give them the homework assignment and let them have the rest of the class to work on it.

Hope this helps some. I hope your school system has some sort of orientation process for new teachers. We had one that really helped me out, and they gave us a book that was geared toward new teachers. If you dont have one, I would suggest going to barnes and noble and getting one of these books. They have a lot of really good advice about classroom management, how to fill a whole period, and activities that will keep the students interested.

Also, go out to Sam's Club and buy a bag of jolly ranchers. These things are like crack to these kids and they will do anything to get them. If the kids are acting up, reward the ones that are quietly doing their work with JRs and you will eventually get the opprotunity to explain how YOUR classroom is going to work.

I had some really rough classes my first year, and once I got my rhythm, the classes got to be a lot easier to manage. I still had some serious problems (2 fist fights in my first sememster...in class), but the older teachers and administration are pretty helpful making suggestions on how to deal with difficult situations.

Hope this helps some.

8/1/2006 10:39:25 PM

Yeah, bellringers are key to having a quiet classroom at the beginning of each class. For my classes I had my students write in a journal. Each day I'd have a reflection topic written on the board, and all the kids knew that as soon as the bell rang, they needed to be in their seat and writing.

I know personally how hard it is to tighten the screws on a class when it's misbehaving too much. My cooperating teacher was a little lax when it came to talking while she was teaching. When I took over getting them to stop was a headache.

On a similar note, enforce for your rules 100% consistently. The kids will constantly test how much they can get away with if they think there's any chance they might succeed. Also, inconsistent enforcement will make the kids you do punish feel like they're being singled-out. Given that, for the love of God make sure you want to enforce each rule you enact, and toss it if you don't.

Group activities rock, just make sure everyone has something to do. If you have groups of four, assign jobs like recorder, reader, presenter, and leader. Or whatever... just make up something so that you don't have freeloaders.

P.S. I wasn't bragging about my GPA. I listed it to demonstrate that I don't have a bad academic record that would hinder my ability to get a job.

8/2/2006 12:15:23 AM

In 5th grade, I had a new teacher named Mrs. Wilkie from Seattle and this woman was a total earth lover hippie. Her husband and her wore matching LL Bean clothes and she has a giant bush of red curly hair - she looked like Mrs. Frizzle from Magic School Bus. Anyways, we made her cry on the first day of school, and she never taught again after teaching us.

8/2/2006 12:29:05 AM

my social studies class my senior year of hs was a fucking joke (i went to jordan in durham)

something happened and our teacher quit in the middle of the semester. the class had been going fine then we got a string of substitutes that would give us random ass work sheets every day that would only take 5 min and were never checked

then we got a teacher that would stay through the end of the semester. she was fucking ridiclious. had NO control over the class and tried to be cool with everyone. one time she even let some kids play girls gone wild on the vcr in the classroom (who does that?!)

eventually i quit going to that class, skipped it completely and told my parents it was a fucking joke-- they called the school or whatever and the administration knew the class was a load of crap

i figured a nap in my car during that class was more productive than actually going & being a part of the madness

i passed the class (everyone did-- with an A)

but jesus christ it was insane

8/2/2006 12:42:28 AM

^^ Who did you have?

8/2/2006 12:45:38 AM

did you just ask yourself a question

8/2/2006 12:53:16 AM

i know a guy with a masters straight out of college that is still looking cause he is overqualified

when i was like 15 my stepdad told me to not get a masters until i had worked for like 3 to 5 years with my bachlors

8/2/2006 2:14:19 AM

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"she looked like Mrs. Frizzle from Magic School Bus. Anyways, we made her cry on the first day of school, and she never taught again after teaching us."

You characterized this happy woman teacher....and
I really didn't expect you to take that direction with that one.....

8/2/2006 2:29:49 AM

^^ your step-dad is an idiot. 1. Masters is the new bachelors for good jobs. 2. If you have a masters, don't settle for shitty jobs. However, if you chose to get an advanced degree in some stupid shit like eastern european dance, that's all on you.

8/2/2006 3:25:54 AM

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"know a guy with a masters straight out of college that is still looking cause he is overqualified when i was like 15 my stepdad told me to not get a masters until i had worked for like 3 to 5 years with my bachlors"

that's true if you are going for an MBA- otherwise waiting isn't usually a good idea

8/2/2006 9:30:02 AM

IF I WAS A HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER I WOULDN'T PUT UP WITH ANY BULLSHIT....I WOULD JUST MAKE AN EXAMPLE OF THE FIRST DOUCHEBAG THAT TALKS WHILE I AM TALKING BY MAKING HIM CRY...THEN THE REST WOULD BE EASY

8/2/2006 9:37:07 AM

Yeah, most MBA programs won't even let you in without that kind of experience. WTF are you supposed to do with a bs in psy? 3-5 years my ass...

8/2/2006 11:26:00 AM

i worked at a restaurant in high school with a girl who had just graduated from UNC with a BS in psych

she was there for two years or so before she found a job

as a social worker

8/2/2006 11:27:47 AM

I'm starting to resent my husband's job because just today I have received an Email from one school systen and a phone call from another school system telling me that they had seen my resume and were interested in offering me a job if I was willing to move. If I didn't have my husband, I would so pick up and move so I could get a job doing what I love.

8/2/2006 1:08:12 PM

My mom works in Mental Health at a hospital and helps hire new psychologists and interns from Duke. The interns don't make shit at all, and the psychologists all have masters and they only like $32-35K a year. On the other hand, my dad works in Radiology, he hires people with 2 year degrees out of vance-granville CC to be x-ray techs and pays them starts $42k, a $1,000 bonus after working 2 months and ups it to $48k after one year. My mom convinced me not to pursue Psych because I'd be broke unless I got an MD and was a shrink.

8/2/2006 1:11:54 PM

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"that's true if you are going for an MBA- otherwise waiting isn't usually a good idea"

It can be true in engineering and hard sciences too, b/c you have more focus. However going straight into grad school isn't a bad idea either.

8/2/2006 1:42:16 PM