nope, you can turn it to full simulation, its in the main setup options. disables abs, traction control and all the assists.

it makes a HUGE difference, especially with the keyboard. almost impossible to control

7/31/2006 10:19:43 AM

^ yep, that's why i'm playing on novice.

7/31/2006 2:05:55 PM

damn you Tyrone, im gonna have to drop a benji on some wheels and pedals now

7/31/2006 2:39:32 PM

you can wait two months and get the new logitech g25 wheel for 3 benjii + tax. i believe it's the only gaming wheel under $1k (http://www.thomas-superwheel.com/)that has a clutch pedal.

Quote :

"A member of the company's extreme-performance G-series family of peripherals for PC gamers, the Logitech G25 wheel offers advanced features which, until now, could be found only in specialized or custom-made racing simulators that sometimes cost thousands of dollars to assemble. These features include a six-speed gated shifter and clutch pedal; two high-torque force-feedback motors; an 11-inch wheel; and a full 900 degrees of rotation. The wheel, shifter and pedals are made with premium materials such as stainless steel and leather, delivering the look and feel of parts from a race car cockpit..."

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/060509/20060509005464.html?.v=2

7/31/2006 5:49:32 PM

^ man all you'd need is an uncapped gas can next to you and a catheder attached to your dick to make it like the real deal

7/31/2006 5:53:02 PM

1:44.203 in full simulation mode.

7/31/2006 9:31:49 PM

http://www.mininova.org/tor/374041


bittorrent link for the demo

7/31/2006 9:44:10 PM

i might get that logitech setup when it comes out i have a microsoft wheel with paddle shifters that is nice for f1 games but not real enough for gt

7/31/2006 10:00:28 PM

i heard that logitech setup is gonna be a money losing limited production deal. so if you find it, grab it.

7/31/2006 10:01:31 PM

yea im gonna wait on that one, which really sucks. oh well, at least the full game will be out by then and it lets me keep my money for a couple more months

7/31/2006 11:25:55 PM

the full version, and the demo too, is programmed to be 100% compatible with the g25. considering how on point the game is/will be and the g25's realism, you could practice heel-toes with the game. your clutches will be very thankful.

the g25 works on the ps2, and i'm sure the wheel will work with the ps3 as well.

[Edited on July 31, 2006 at 11:35 PM. Reason : ]

7/31/2006 11:33:12 PM

What are ya'll doin to get the rumble stuff working with the Logitech PS2 steering wheel (Driving Force Pro)?

So far my best with the Ferrari is a 1:40.0xx with tweaked settings. I tried a few laps in Sim mode... phew. My only clean lap was a 1:46.

8/15/2006 3:42:48 AM

FFB Device Type="5" // Type of FFB controller: 0=none 1=wheel, 2=stick/custom, 3=rumble pad.
FFB Effects Level="5" // Number of FFB effects to use: 0=No Effects, 1=Low, 2=Medium, 3=High, 4=Full, 5=Custom.
FFB Gain="0.22000" // Strength of Force Feedback effects.  Range 0.0 to 1.0.
FFB Throttle FX on steer axis="1" // 0 = Throttle effects on throttle axis, 1 = throttle effects on steering axis.
FFB Brake FX on steer axis="1" // 0 = Brake effects on brake axis, 1 = brake effects on steering axis.
FFB steer vibe freq mult="0.00000" // Controls frequency of steering vibration. Recommended: 0.5 to 1.0, 0.0 disables steering vibration.
FFB steer vibe zero magnitude="0.10000" // Magnitude of steering vibration at 0mph (reference point).
FFB steer vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a function of frequency (used with FFB steer vibe zero magnitude).
FFB steer vibe wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down.
FFB steer force average weight="0.55000" // How much weight is given to new steering force calculations each frame (0.01 - 1.0). Lower values will smooth out the steering force, but will also add latency.
FFB steer force exponent="0.90000" // Steering force output "sensitivity".  Range 0.0 to infinity.  0.0 to 1.0 = higher sensitivity, greater than 1.0 = lower sensitivity.
FFB steer force input max="-11500.00000" // Recommended: 11500 (-11500 if controller pulls in the wrong direction).
FFB steer force output max="1.60000" // Maximum force output of steering force, recommendation 0.8 to 2.0
FFB steer force grip weight="0.60000" // Range 0.0 to 1.0, recommended: 0.4 to 0.9.  How much weight is given to tire grip when calculating steering force.
FFB steer force grip factor="0.90000" // Range 0.0 to 1.0, recommended: 0.2 to 0.6.  How much of a factor the front wheel grip is on the steering weight.
FFB steer update thresh="0.00120" // Amount of change required to update steer force/vibe (0.0 - 1.0). Lower values = steering force updated more frequently = lower frame rate.
FFB steer friction coefficient="-0.07700" // Coefficient to use for steering friction.  Range: -1.0 to 1.0
FFB steer friction saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for steering friction.  Range: 0 - 1.0
FFB steer damper coefficient="-0.07700" // Coefficient to use for steering damper.  Range: -1.0 to 1.0
FFB steer damper saturation="1.00000" // Saturation value to use for steering damper.  Range: 0 - 1.0
FFB throttle vibe freq mult="0.50000" // Scales actual engine frequency to force FFB vibration frequency.  Suggested range: 0.10 to 0.50
FFB throttle vibe zero magnitude="0.09000" // Magnitude of engine vibration at 0rpm (reference point).
FFB throttle vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a function of frequency (used with FFB throttle vibe zero magnitude).
FFB throttle vibe wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down.
FFB throttle vibe update thresh="0.08000" // Amount of change required to update throttle vibe (0.0 - 1.0)
FFB brake vibe freq mult="0.90000" // Scales actual brake rotational frequency to force feedback vibration frequency.
FFB brake vibe zero magnitude="0.15000" // Magnitude of brake vibration at 0mph (reference point).
FFB brake vibe slope="0.00000" // Slope of line defining magnitude as a function of frequency (used with FFB brake vibe zero magnitude).
FFB brake vibe wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down.
FFB brake vibe update thresh="0.03500" // Amount of change required to update brake vibe (0.0 to 1.0)
FFB rumble strip magnitude="0.75000" // How strong the rumble strip rumble is.  Range 0.0 to 1.0, 0.0 disables effect.
FFB rumble strip freq mult="0.60000" // Rumble stip frequency multiplier 1.0 = one rumble per wheel rev.
FFB rumble strip wave type="0" // Type of wave to use for vibe: 0=Sine, 1=Square, 2=Triangle, 3=Sawtooth up, 4=Sawtooth down.
FFB rumble strip pull factor="-0.70000" // How strongly wheel pulls right/left when running over a rumble strip. Suggested range: -1.5 to 1.5.
FFB rumble strip update thresh="0.07500" // Amount of change required to update rumble strip effect (0.0 - 1.0)
FFB jolt magnitude="1.30000" // How strong jolts from other cars (or walls) are.  Suggested Range: -2.0 to 2.0.

8/15/2006 7:48:11 AM

Weird, it didn't do anything for me! No force feedback, at least. Do you have the old 720deg wheel or the new one that just turns 180deg?

Justin

8/15/2006 3:03:55 PM

Its the current (and only version i know of) of the Logitech Driving Force Pro wheel for Grand Turismo for PS2. its 900deg.

You have to d/l the logitech drivers online for it to work w/ the PC. the drivers also include a utility to set a few parameters per game. it then launches the game. I use this and set everything to full (150%), except the return to center spring which i check and set to 0%. I set the wheel to 720deg, and then launch the game. So maybe you need that part.

Its definately a lighter feel than default, but its far more accurate i think. and rumble strips should definately realistically bump. you should be able to feel some understeer and ABS, etc too

8/15/2006 4:00:40 PM

Ahh, ok. I installed the software, however when I launch the game with the profiler, GTR2 crashes.

Do I have to change any other settings in the profiler, other than what you mentioned?

And yeah, you're right. It probably is 900 deg... the game just wasn't letting it turn more than 180deg with the default settings.

[Edited on August 15, 2006 at 4:10 PM. Reason : ]

8/15/2006 4:08:25 PM

right, the wheel will only go more than 180 if you launch through the profiler or if the game specifically supports 900deg. I think if you can get the profiler launch to work youll be in business

8/15/2006 4:53:20 PM

Sweet! It works! I guess the computer just needed a reboot.

8/15/2006 5:46:39 PM

What kinds of lap times are ya'll getting on other tracks? Here's what I'm running so far:

Barcelona: 1:39.952 (Saleen, Novice)
VIR: 1:49.215 (Saleen, Novice)
VIR North: 1:28.784 (Saleen, Novice)

FYI, the steering wheel settings are pretty good, just a little weak. For some reason it seems to "lag" a little bit behind what is happening. /me shrugs. My only point of comparison is Gran Turismo 4. I also changed the radius to 360deg... 2 turns lock to lock is too much work!

[Edited on August 15, 2006 at 9:09 PM. Reason : ]

8/15/2006 9:07:38 PM

where the heck did you get VIR? post up the links

8/15/2006 10:46:55 PM

You can play about any GTL game with GTR2, if you modify a couple of minor things in the map files.

Instructions: http://forum.rscnet.org/showthread.php?t=261206

VIR: http://tantra.rscsites.org/gtl/vir/vir.htm
Other maps: http://www.gtr4u.de/jgs_db.php?action=showkat&katid=23&sid

You can find lots of maps on rscnet.org too.

8/16/2006 6:11:01 PM

So talk about luck.

Today I'm in the equipment closet at work, and up top is the damn Logitech MOMO wheel. Turns out they bought it for a usability study, and it's been sitting since.

I've been authorized to "test" it further at home. GTR2 here i come!

8/16/2006 9:03:34 PM

Got a 1:46:460 on VIR. That was on my first lap, with cold tires and a slow start. Sooo I'm thinkin ya'll are gonna whoop it.

8/17/2006 1:29:09 AM

i need a wheel.

8/17/2006 1:43:09 AM

$40 on ebay!

If anyone gets midohio working let me know....

125:537 on Laguna Seca

[Edited on August 17, 2006 at 2:26 AM. Reason : ]

8/17/2006 2:06:31 AM

just got VIR working. pretty cool. seems a little flatter though than the real course. especially VIRN when you turn right up onto the cut through. Thats a pretty big uphill in real life, but its flat in the game

8/22/2006 12:28:18 PM

That's what I thought too. However it's been a long time since I've been on the track.

I did watch a video of VIR Full to compare, and I thought it was pretty close!

I just bought GT Legends... it's great... you can do multiplayer online.

[Edited on August 23, 2006 at 12:46 AM. Reason : ]

8/23/2006 12:46:18 AM

1:38.454 Barcelona, Simulation mode + TCS/ABS in the Ferrari

[Edited on August 24, 2006 at 10:07 AM. Reason : extra digits]

8/24/2006 9:50:10 AM

nice, I got some decent times at Road Atlanta last night. Couldn't get VIR to work. Laguna Seca drives weird, almost like it's missing a turn (I know it's not) but it just doesn't flow well like I remember it in GT4, many other games, and in real life experience I have there.

8/24/2006 1:10:34 PM

damn i can't break 148 after 5 laps on VIRF. am i retarded?

8/24/2006 4:16:18 PM

Hehe. I think I had tuned the car quite a bit to get a 1:46. However I've been racing Shelby Cobras lately with GTL. I can't do better than a 2:19 (that Ferrari is fast...).

8/25/2006 2:29:44 AM

Wait... what car are you driving on VIR? I was driving the Saleen.

8/25/2006 2:50:14 AM

oh i was driving the ferrari. i'm trying to stick w/ one car so i dont confuse myself

8/25/2006 8:27:17 AM

Heh, check this video out. Such realistic physics!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=czegi1zj2GY

[Edited on August 25, 2006 at 1:32 PM. Reason : ]

8/25/2006 1:32:33 PM

ive done much crazier shit than that in that car

8/25/2006 1:37:42 PM

Oh yeah, I love two wheelin' it around turns.

8/25/2006 2:08:06 PM

I played some more VIR on GTR2.

Saleen (NOV): 145.555
Ferrari 575 (NOV): 146.184

I didn't tune the Saleen much, but I messed with most of the suspension settings on the Ferrari: stiffer springs and sway bars, more air in the tires, lower ride height, less negative camber (ya don't need as much with stiffer springs and lower height).

I'll post a video if I can figure out how....

8/25/2006 4:49:25 PM

you can save replay files somehow and transfer those around. i've watched a few guys w/ really fast laps's replay files. pretty coool.. some guys are getting low 130s around barcelona. its nuts

8/25/2006 4:51:18 PM

It looks like you have to buy some program (fraps) to convert replays to wmv, mpg, etc. Not really worth it.

8/26/2006 6:05:38 PM

you dont have to convert. just put the .vcr file in your game dir and you can view it in the game as if it were you own replay

8/26/2006 7:44:00 PM

The problem with that is that it saves every single lap, so you have to FF through tons of laps to find the right one. However I'll post one anyways in a minute.

8/26/2006 8:07:35 PM

i bought the game earlier today, and i was happy to find they kept the price at $20!!!

it took me just under 2 hours to install the game, and it wasn't because of large content. the problem was that the install stalled several times, and i had to restart the process about 15 times. certain files had trouble being read, especially on the first disc. after trying to "retry" about 10 times, i would just give up and abort the install and start over from the beginning. instead of moving through each of the 3 discs in succession, you go from disc 1 - disc2 - disc 1 - disc 2 - disc 3 - disc 1 - disc 3. and it drove me insane when the damn thing would freeze at about 90% completion. i would've gave up, and returned the damn game if i didn't know it was going to be worth it in the end (thanks to playing the demo).

you start with about 60 cars or so from the 2003 and 2004 seasons, and maybe like 20 unlocked tracks between '02-'04 seasons. one of the best tracks that i've driven on so far is the dubai track. i know that it's a fairly new track, so in the game it's very smooth. best thing about this track is that it has paved runoffs, so it's much more forgiving. it appears to be pretty simple, but it's actually a somewhat technical course. it's got a good combination of low-speed and medium-speed corners, and variable radiuses (or radii?).

9/29/2006 1:04:21 AM

awesome
im going to buy it tomarrow
we need to get a TWW server up or something

9/29/2006 3:01:48 AM

i got it the day before yesterday at bestbuy for $19.99, too. installed w/o a hitch for me.

I havent played it much, but i knocked out some of the lessons for fun. I joined some online games and ran the track backwards and played smash up derby.. wups

9/29/2006 8:42:22 AM

I have to find a place closer than 90 minutes away that has the game.


guess I'm going to chesapeake sunday.




Also, I'm gonna pick up the Logitech G25 wheel setup.

9/29/2006 9:06:45 AM

yeah, the online play is the shit! i don't know why, but the germans seem to like wet tracks. at first, i was like, "damn, these bitches can drive like hell on these wet tracks!" then, i remembered that i needed to change my tire compound.

9/29/2006 9:23:01 AM

^aha
damn the g25 wheel would be amazing
so expensive tho :/

9/29/2006 9:24:22 AM

i think they just like the massive pileups at the end of turns 1.

9/29/2006 9:32:18 AM

hahaha, awesome.

I just got a call and someone is picking the game up for me at best buy on their way back into town.

9/29/2006 12:37:06 PM

ahah
i hope it is not the crossroads best buy
i just took thier last copy
i cant believe this game released for $20

9/29/2006 12:58:56 PM