Costner, Fells, Atsur, Ferguson....all perimeter players that can shoot the 3. Herb would not have abandoned his live and die by the 3 attitude next year.[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 2:32 PM. Reason : ]
4/21/2006 2:32:10 PM
^^shit i woudl be happy if could duplicate our record tooit was a 20 win season and we have alot of talent coming back.but in the post you point to i was referencing the fact that whoever wrote what wolfpaack wrote seemed to be content w/ "mediocre" records as long as it was with a different coachwhich is stupid*****^look at late last year and tell me atsur can shoot, how many 1-10 nights did he havewe hope costner can shoot the 3 in ACC play and we hope Fells can shoot the 3 in ACC play and we hope Ferguson can even compete in ACC playFells didnt show himself as a shooter when he played and costner only played against shit team and still didnt show himself as a shooter[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 2:35 PM. Reason : a][Edited on April 21, 2006 at 2:36 PM. Reason : a]
4/21/2006 2:32:35 PM
well i've already said that the main point of me copying it was to point out the good in Whitt. We're on the same page, idk why we're even arguing. I shouldnt have kept the part about herbs record, because its obviously not comparable. [Edited on April 21, 2006 at 2:34 PM. Reason : ]
4/21/2006 2:34:01 PM
i think we can still do better than a mediocre A-10 coach. who cares that he played here?
4/21/2006 2:36:14 PM
Herb would still have them jacking up 3's....he never stopped Atsur from shooting....I never said they were good, but thats what they do....jack up 3's.
4/21/2006 2:40:38 PM
gotta remember, jim tressel was a division II coach at youngstown state before taking over the reigns of arguably the biggest, most die-hard football program in the country. Granted, he had a couple D II championships under his belt, but he had no DI coaching experience, let along a program of that magnitude, and look how things turned out.
4/21/2006 2:52:46 PM
he cheated his way to a NC?is that the answer you are looking for?
4/21/2006 2:55:18 PM
Jim has notihng to do with this at allhe had experience on smaller level with good competition and was winning ChampionshipsI would hate to see what would happen here if Whit came back and did poor and we had to fire him, therefore I dont think he will be our coach.
4/21/2006 3:08:07 PM
Hmm, well if Whittenburg could get ateast 2 descent recruits to pick up the slack from last year....who knows....but Im all about giving the dude a chance...someone had to give Coach K a chance and when he started out his teams were pathetic as hell....so why not this coach? As long as he can coach his ass off, I dont care about his skin color. I just want the Pack to have a quality guy before the summer gets here!
4/21/2006 3:14:38 PM
[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 3:16 PM. Reason : fuckin double post]
4/21/2006 3:15:17 PM
well its not like we were winning championships with Herb, and we werent about to fire him. If Whitt leaves with a mediocre record it will be on his own terms. If he sucks, he might even step down in the first place. Its not like we're begging him to come, I think its quite the opposite.Lee ought to go to him and say: "look, you want the job, take it, its all yours, with the understanding that anything that goes wrong is all on you."I think he could come here with the attitude that he has to prove himself, and he could get that point across to the fans. Most coaches arent going to shy away from the fans like Sendek did, which is basically what made us hate him in the first place. [Edited on April 21, 2006 at 3:19 PM. Reason : ]
4/21/2006 3:16:01 PM
4/21/2006 3:34:57 PM
4/21/2006 3:37:56 PM
This belongs here too. Because if we hire Whitt...
4/21/2006 4:40:39 PM
the point about tressel is that Ohio State is arguably the biggest football school in the country along with a few others and they went with a relatively unknown coach. I mean, be honest, how many of you had heard of jim tressel before the got the job? my point is that hiring someone that isn't a big name could turn out to be a good thing. you never know.[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 4:43 PM. Reason : .]
4/21/2006 4:42:43 PM
Has Whittenberg won the A-10 yet?????Alright then.
4/21/2006 4:45:06 PM
of course it's not apples to apples and I'm not even comparing whittenburg to tressel. I'm just simply saying that a no name coach might not be a bad thing. jesus
4/21/2006 4:47:59 PM
Yeah but he was winning national titles...Whittenburg really hasn't done anything of note.Whittenburg is way too big of a leap of faith.
4/21/2006 5:27:52 PM
He's the only coach at this point that our fans wont run out of town after one bad season, and whoever we get is going to need time....ESPECIALLY the "b" list candidates. [Edited on April 21, 2006 at 5:31 PM. Reason : ]
4/21/2006 5:31:05 PM
The other candidates will at least be good placeholders in this interim until we find a better option.If we hire Whittenburg our program has the potential to drop off the map. I'm talking about no recruits, no NCAA tournaments, no excitement levels.This is a disaster. Turn around right now.I've kept a positive outlook this entire search, but Derek Whittenburg is where I draw the fucking line.You hire this guy and you are asking for it.[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 5:37 PM. Reason : a]
4/21/2006 5:35:48 PM
well you're probably the most irrational retard on TWW, so nobody is going to listen to your bitching anyway. Like we give a fuck if we lose you from our fanbase. Whitt is better for NC State than Lavin, Beilein, or Kruger.And whats this about a "placeholder". Wasnt Les supposed to be a placeholder? Wasnt Herb supposed to be a placeholder? good one[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 5:42 PM. Reason : ]
4/21/2006 5:41:11 PM
If by irrational you mean knowledgeable then thanks...Whittenburg is completely unproven.And i dont mean unproven as in "demonstrates that he can win but is untested"I mean unproven as in "his career bio was three sentences long so they added some stuff about his hobbies, family tree, and service work".
4/21/2006 5:53:22 PM
4/21/2006 6:04:05 PM
omg I agree with Rally.Whittenburg probably has the least coaching ability of any of our candidates right now. And I really don't see how you guys would rather have him, despite his connections with State, than a guy like Lavin or Greg Marshall. Hell, if we're going to go with a huge gamble, I'd choose Marshall over Whitt any day.[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 6:10 PM. Reason : ...]
4/21/2006 6:10:00 PM
Jeff Gravley reported on WRAL that he talked to Whittenburg and Whitt said he was contacted by someone at NC State but not Lee Fowler. Gravely admitted that had he been contact by Fowler, Whitt probably wouldn't have told him.
4/21/2006 6:45:20 PM
rally is one of the most knowledgeable posters on this boardbut he uses his knowledge frequently to draw people into an argumentso you people dont respect the knowledgeyou might not always agree with what he says but he always brings up valid and worthwhile points
4/21/2006 9:32:35 PM
Rally aways has about half of his posts dead on, then he says something ridiculous to piss everyone off, and its blatently wrong, but he focuses on the correct information to argue. Its not a fair fight, basically because he's cheating. He's a fucking loser coke head
4/21/2006 9:46:43 PM
Its never gonna be a fair fight as long as Im pretty. And it doesnt help that I know more than you.
4/22/2006 3:48:14 AM
see, he starts out with a reasonable comment, then makes an assurd assumption that everyone knows is false!
4/22/2006 6:37:07 AM
LOL, I agree Rally be dead on with alot of comments and probably one of the most knowledgeable, but does not mean I have to agree and follow his thinking. I am still for D.W. ova Lavin and others.You may not agree with my reasons, but here goes. Yeah, Lavin and who eva are tested and have done pretty good (not great, not stella, not exceptional). Whit is rather untested, with raw talent. I am at the point where I want NCSU to take a risk, make the uncalculated and untraditional move and decision. Lets be that program that took a chance on someone relatively young, new to ACC level of ballin. Whit would not be "stuck" in his own traditions, and plans and can evolve, change, and adjust since everyone will not have such "expectations" of what he has done in the past. III
4/22/2006 9:54:22 AM
what has whitt done that makes anyone think he's even a DECENT coach?lavin has numbers. he has sweet 16's. he's gotten great recruits. etc etc etc.all whitt has done is lose at fordham in the a-10
4/22/2006 11:08:02 AM
I hear what you saying, and ok, if taken at face value and in agreeance with you, I still would like to see what Whit can do with NC State backing him. Lavine has numbers etc...but set in his ways and how he is going to do things. I see Whit as merging with what the players can contribute and forming his own style and bring something fresh...I guess I am more for the under dog right now...raw/unproven talent v. talented/tested/proven So not logical I guess...but I want to see something new, start afresh...not someone that already has a "history & baggage" with him III
4/22/2006 11:50:40 AM
Whit could still come here if someone else is hired as a head coach.
4/22/2006 11:53:18 AM
I think its time Chancellor Oblinger and ???(not Murphey, but the 'other guy' who runs the WOlfpack club)1. take over the search...2. Hire Whittenburg3. get rid of Lee Fowler.This is rediculous
4/27/2006 10:24:17 AM
Bobby Purcell[Edited on April 27, 2006 at 10:28 AM. Reason : spelling??]
4/27/2006 10:28:03 AM
but if i was Whitt...i'd be just about pissed enough by now to turn the job down just out of spite and principle...talk about not getting any love from his alma mater...
4/27/2006 10:29:11 AM
Why couldn't we seriously do this:Hire someone like Gregg Marshall as head coach and hire Whitt as an assistant coach. Pay Whitt a good deal of money, but the entire deal would still be much lower than hiring a "big" name.And if the arrangement with Marshall doesn't work out in a few years, Whitt's already familiar with the recruits and staff, etc. to take over, provided no one better is around.
4/27/2006 10:35:39 AM
You are just dumb. Whitt will not work as an assistant under someone like Gregg Marshall. Whitt coaches at Fordham, Marshall coaches at Winthrop. No difference at all, except that maybe Fordham is a bigger program because they are in the A-10.Why would Whitt work as an assistant under a coach that he feels he's just as good as??? That would be a slap in the face if we were to even ask him that. At the best, we would have to hire a Carlesimo or Montgomery that is levels above to Whitt to even have him THINK about going back to being an assistant.Dumb, dumb, dumb.
4/27/2006 10:40:10 AM
Chill, it's just an idea. Whitt might go for something like that if, as I explained, we offered him a substantial pay raise. Also, he'd be returning to his alma mater.Forget the idea....let's just get Marshall.
4/27/2006 10:59:26 AM
I doubt he would come here to be an assitant.
4/27/2006 11:46:28 AM
BTTT get that Phil Ford shit out of here.
4/27/2006 6:46:51 PM
Has it really come to this? Are we really arguing over whether we should choose DERECK WHITTENBURG or PHIL FUCKING FORD as our next head bball coach?
4/27/2006 6:54:25 PM
start an e-mail campain!the administration can't ignore us if we all unite!we must get Fowler and Oblinger removed before we become the laughing stock of college basketball.GET TO WORK!
4/27/2006 6:58:12 PM
http://www.statefansnation.com/Give Coach Whittenburg His Shot — Let’s Not “Pass” on This “Longshot”April 27th, 2006 by beowolfDereck Whittenburg is Wolfpack through and through. If there’s one thing Wolfpack fans agree upon in this coaching search, it’s this. Some fans, however, fear that Coach Whittenburg’s candidacy is based on that fact alone.Let’s put that fear to rest right away: it’s not. What it is to Whittenburg’s candidacy I will get to later. But first, there are very good reasons why those of us who know about Coach Whittenburg wish him to be the next coach of the Wolfpack.These are reasons that I think would make Coach Whittenburg an attractive candidate regardless of where he went to school.This is a preview of Give Coach Whittenburg His Shot — Let’s Not “Pass” on This “Longshot”. Read the full post (1397 words, estimated 5:35 mins reading time)Give Coach Whittenburg His Shot — Let’s Not “Pass” on This “Longshot”Dereck Whittenburg is Wolfpack through and through. If there’s one thing Wolfpack fans agree upon in this coaching search, it’s this. Some fans, however, fear that Coach Whittenburg’s candidacy is based on that fact alone.Let’s put that fear to rest right away: it’s not. What it is to Whittenburg’s candidacy I will get to later. But first, there are very good reasons why those of us who know about Coach Whittenburg wish him to be the next coach of the Wolfpack.These are reasons that I think would make Coach Whittenburg an attractive candidate regardless of where he went to school.Such as this: Over the seven yeas that Dereck Whittenburg has been a head coach, he is the only coach to improve his team’s record from the previous year each year. His team’s record was better than it was the previous year for each of those seven years.At his first head coaching job, Wagner, Whittenburg inherited:— a team that had just posted a record of 9-18 (7-9 conference) in 1998-1999— a program that had never won its conference— a program that had never gone to the NCAAsHere is how Coach Whittenburg’s teams did:In 1999-2000, his first team went 11-16 (6-10).In 2000-01 he posted winning seasons in conference and overall: 16-13 (11-9).In 2001-02 he improved on that mark, and his team ranked in the top 10 nationally in scoring while nearly reaching 20 wins: 19-10 (15-5)In 2002-03, Wagner under Coach Whittenburg again ranked in the top 10 nationally in scoring, posted a record of 21 wins and 11 losses (14-4), won the conference title, and went to their first NCAAs.In four years.Impressed by that, Fordham came calling. Already the phrase “Whittenburg magic” was entering the lexicon. But maybe Whittenburg got lucky?COACH WHITTENBURG AT FORDHAMHere’s what Whittenburg faced at Fordham. If Wagner was a mountain to climb, then Fordham was Everest. Fordham had never posted even a .500 conference record, let alone a winning record. They had never even won a single game in the conference tournament. In fact, the Rams hadn’t had a winning season since 1991-92.And the team Whittenburg was inheriting had just posted a grand season total of two wins. The previous coach’s record at Fordham was 36-78 in his four years there – and a paltry 2-26 his last season.Coach Whittenburg wasn’t daunted by that challenge. Why would he be? He invited challenge. His attitude at Wagner was “play us any time, any day.”About Fordham, he said, “I am very passionate about Fordham basketball. I know it will be a hard task. I welcome the challenge. I embrace the kids in the program.”He also gave a hint about his success. “I concern myself with the character of the program and the kids. Start with that and the winning will come.”Fordham’s administration was impressed by Coach Whittenburg. Their decision to hire him was unanimous.As Fordham president Rev. Joseph O’Hare said, “Dereck Whittenburg’s record, first as an assistant coach and more recently as head coach at Wagner College, demonstrates that he is the kind of coach who can achieve athletic success on the hardwood while maintaining academic integrity.”His first year at Fordham, 2003-04, was a rough one. His team won only six games – 6-22 (3-13).His second year, 2004-05, Coach Whittenburg had a team of five freshmen and only four scholarship players. But this team became Fordham’s first to avoid a losing record in conference. Their final record was 13-16 (8-8).That year Fordham won its first-ever conference tournament game. There’s an excellent report about this here: Though Duquesne spoiled the Fordham’s Senior Night a week earlier, this year’s Rams enjoyed the success the Dukes had aspired to. Six wins turned into 12, and a sixth-place finish became a four-seed. There was no great secret to the turnaround - an energetic and charismatic coach named Dereck Whittenburg was beginning to work his magic …This year Coach Whittenburg’s team posted Fordham’s first conference winning season ever. They finished .500 for the season at 16-16 (9-7) – a far cry from the two-win team he had inherited and on the doorstep of Fordham’s first winning season since Les Robinson’s first year at NC State.In short, Coach Whittenburg has put Fordham on the same path of ever-building success that he had his Wagner teams on. He did it with his “magic”: kids of integrity, his own unflagging energy, his charisma, his delight in a challenge, and his tireless effort.A GREAT COACHOverall, Coach Whittenburg’s career record is 102-104. Detractors are quick to point out it’s a losing record. That’s accurate without telling the whole story. Whittenburg inherited losing programs and made them winners – his record reflects the years in turning those teams around. Here’s a little year-by-year breakdown for you in his rebuilding both Wagner and Fordham:— Coach Whittenburg’s predecessors’ win percentage in their final years: 11-44 (20.0%)— Coach Whittenburg’s win percentage in his first years: 17-38 (30.9%)— Coach Whittenburg’s win percentage in his second years: 29-29 (50.0%)— Coach Whittenburg’s win percentage in his third years: 35-26 (57.4%)— And of course during Coach Whittenburg’s fourth year at Wagner, his win percentage was 65.6%.Well, OK, but that’s just Fordham and Wagner. What could Coach Whittenburg do in the ACC?Coach Whittenburg is no stranger to the ACC. In fact, Coach Whittenburg has experience recruiting top-notch players and All-Americans to two separate ACC schools, Georgia Tech and N.C. State. He learned under two of the ACC’s best coaches: Bobby Cremmins and Jim Valvano. As an assistant coach under both coaching legends, he has won ACC titles.That is to say, Coach Whittenburg is no stranger as a coach to the ACC, to success in the ACC, and to successful recruiting coups in the ACC. (He’s also no stranger as a player to winning championships, as we all know.)Furthermore, not only has Whittenburg learned under the tutelage of great ACC coaches, he has also played for great coaches – Jim Valvano, of course, and in high school, the legendary Morgan Wooten.In my view, this is an impressive coaching pedigree. Coach Whittenburg is a winner. He knows what winning takes, and he knows how to achieve it, and he does so with passion and integrity.And here’s where Dereck Whittenburg’s ties to NC State should matter. The position of NC State men’s basketball head coach should be more than a job. It should be a dream. It was Valvano’s dream. It was Norm Sloan’s dream. Remember how the Sports Illustrated cover story on David Thompson (prior to our first national championship) described Sloan’s decision to take the Wolfpack job? “Sloan, another player under Case at N.C. State, hurried back to his alma mater.”Dereck Whittenburg is a great coach who loves NC State, and if he’s our coach, you can bet he’s going to put his reputation for energetic coaching, charismatic salesmanship and character-building to work for something we all love: NC State basketball. He would make us proud. And we know it. Hiring Coach Whittenburg would do more to unite this fractured fanbase than anyone. He’d hurry home. And we couldn’t help but become excited.Coach Whittenburg’s bona fides stack up favorably against anyone else’s before you speak of his being “in the family.” His being a Wolfpack alumnus doesn’t matter – but it does. It matters that NC State is Whitt’s dream job. It matters that he knows what it means to Wolfpack fans to beat Carolina and Duke. (Anyone remember seeing him limp out onto the court to celebrate after Sidney’s between-the-leg pass setting up Thurl’s slam that sealed Valvano’s first win over Carolina?) It matters that he can show his recruits and his players those championship rings and talk about dreams and what it takes to make dreams come true. It matters that he’s stood before cheering fans in Reynolds Coliseum in April to talk about winning the national championship. It matters that he stood by in Reynolds Coliseum ten years later watching Jimmy V give his farewell address to the fans and talk about how his team taught him what love means.Some would say hiring Whittenburg would be a longshot. Maybe even a 30-footer.I think it would be a slam dunk.[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 12:07 PM. Reason : .][Edited on April 28, 2006 at 12:08 PM. Reason : ..]
4/28/2006 12:03:34 PM
i just realised, if he's at Fordham, he's got ties in the tri-state areathat's good for recruiting
4/28/2006 12:12:45 PM
^Know what else is good for recruiting? A proven winning record at a REAL school.Honestly though, at this point I'd be game to hire him...certainly over the alternatives that seem to be floating around.[Edited on April 28, 2006 at 12:16 PM. Reason : .]
4/28/2006 12:14:44 PM
"Rich Brenner (Fox 8) said last night that Whitt and Marshall are not under consideration and Fowler has it down to one canidate, but did not name him. So, another media outlet says that Marshall and Whit are out." via PP
4/28/2006 12:16:48 PM
4/28/2006 4:14:11 PM
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4/28/2006 4:52:47 PM
Sorry if this is old, but I didn't see it posted in any threads yet....Check out this bullshit written by that ass clown Jesse Jackson wannabe Barry Saunders. I swear this motherfucker plays the race card more than anyone I've ever seen. How he even has a job when he writes shit like this is amazing. I seriously like to kick this dude in the mouth.
4/28/2006 4:56:35 PM