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7/20/2008 6:35:19 PM

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"so how much power do you need to pull up a skiier on a slalom ski from a deepwater start? (and not some dude who's God's gift to waterskiing...just an average skiier without struggling)."

Most of the V6 I/Os will do just fine. Some of the 4 cylinder boats struggle a little, but anyone who knows how to ski already should be able to drag through the water until the boat gets up to speed.

[Edited on July 20, 2008 at 10:05 PM. Reason : l]

7/20/2008 10:05:00 PM

well, i mean...i've skiied behind a party barge on 2 skis, but i want to have enough power for a beginner slalom skiier (1 ski).

[Edited on July 20, 2008 at 10:10 PM. Reason : more interested in horsepower ballparks, not # of cylinders]

7/20/2008 10:10:00 PM

ill take a stab and say 150 should do what you want

7/20/2008 10:31:30 PM

that's pretty much the number i was thinking

7/20/2008 11:42:24 PM

I know jack shit about boats, but here's a pricing question.

How much should a Bayliner 205 with a I/O 5.0 liter 230hp Mercruiser V8 run for? Not a new one, rather an 2000-2002 model in good shape.

7/21/2008 3:36:54 PM

^^^^my brother's 17ft. bowrider just has an 88 evinrude (basically a 90, they just badge it differently to differentiate between oil injected or not). both of us can get up on a slalom fairly easy with just a slight jerk to WOT with a couple other people in the boat too. i was 6'1" 190lbs (pre accident, 175lbs. now) and he's 6'0" 205lbs. a beginner or anyone much bigger would definitely have a hard time though. so, not saying that's what i'd go out looking for, just that it's about the minimum you'd want to consider and only then if it's a super deal and a smaller craft.

^well, personally i wouldn't pay $5 for any bayliner but that's beside the point. i'd say $8-10k off hand depending on hours, amount of salt water use, any accessories, trailer material, and exact condition of everything. search under 69, that's pretty similar to what he got for his grandparents about a year ago and i think he made a thread about searching for one that detailed some pricing.

7/21/2008 4:09:43 PM

Thanks Ivan, I appreciate it. Why the hate for Bayliners? I just ask in general b/c my cousin has one that we use on the Long Island Sound every summer. Seems like the perfect recreational boat to me, and it hasn't had any costly issues.

I'll stop bogarting the thread now.

7/21/2008 4:56:22 PM

they're just known as a cheaply built/poor quality boats and the older ones had widespread problems throughout the 70's and 80's. if that wasn't enough, the failure of an outboard engine called force drew further bad attention to them, even though it had nothing to do with the boats themselves. why us marine thought it was a good idea to buy a chrysler plant and tooling that had already produced some of the most awful outboards ever was a good idea, who knows.

a lot of it is legitimately documented stuff. some of it is nothing more than lingering boat snobbery since it was formed as an "outside" company in the days of supreme reign by companies like OMC and others. much like some porsche owners might look down at corvettes, or whatever. to be fair, what they were doing was hard. no one else in the industry was manufacturing and mass producing a complete boat and engine totally in house. not an easy thing to do while still catering to the entry level market.

anyway, supposedly the newer ones are a lot better in terms of quality as they've tried to shake the stereotype. after they were indirectly aquired by the brunswick company under their purchase of us marine in the late 80's/early 90's, they've had access to help from their sister companies such as sea ray and mercury marine. they are attractively priced also, you can't complain too much about quality when you're saving thousands.

just an interesting little fact i think is neat about bayliner: the guy that started the company back in the 60's was a huge if not the biggest dealer for mercury marine at the time. 30 years later, the company finds itself aligned with them again. THE MORE YOU KNOW...

[Edited on July 22, 2008 at 1:31 AM. Reason : .]

7/22/2008 1:28:28 AM

^I have an early-'90s 21' Trophy Walkaround and it came with a Force 150 when it was new. The best thing I ever did with that boat was accidentally suck a bunch of weeds into the water intakes in Albemarle Sound just outside Shallowbag Bay in 1999 and lunch that piece of shit Force. Replaced it with a 150 Merc Saltwater Series and in retrospect should have paid the extra $ for a Yamaha, but I wasn't sufficiently schooled in OB motors back then.

The boat itself has held up fine though, considering all it's been through. The gelcoat is not in the best of shape from years of outdoor storage, and there are a couple of tiny, non-structural stress cracks in the hull from the relentless pounding it has taken from numerous trips to the Gulf Stream out of Hatteras and Beaufort inlets.
It still looks presentable and floats and rides just fine though.

7/22/2008 10:26:27 AM

hay guys, my 87 bayliner is in top shape and my force 125 runs like brand new. just saying, there is at least one good one left.

7/22/2008 11:26:57 AM

so out of the 27 aviators in my squadron, only 2 of us are single...

the other guy is thinking about buying a boat when we get back from iraq and living on it.

i rolled my eyes at the idea at first, but now he has me thinking about it, too.

He's thinking about buying a $150k-250k, 45-50' motoryacht. I would love to live on something like that, but I'll be damned if I'm going to pay that much for a depreciating asset at the income level i'm at now, even if I could finance it over 20 years and get tax advantages on it like a house. he is justifying it by saying "I'd be pissing money away if I rented, so depreciation is no worse."

The difference is that if I just rent a room from a friend with a house, I can move my shit out every time we deploy and basically have no expenses for 6 months at a time while raking in the cash.


I have to admit, though...while there would be some asspain associated with it, living on a boat could be really cool, and there are several good places around here to do it (like the marina at the Sheraton in New Bern). I might do it on a 25-35', $15-25k cabin cruiser.

anyone ever lived on a boat for any period of time?

9/22/2008 5:57:10 PM

Sounds interesting but in some ways it could get old. I wonder how much noise and wake you'd have to deal with on a regular basis living in a docked boat. Of course you could take it out sometimes, but it wouldn't be practical to always live off land in it for a number of obvious reasons.

9/22/2008 6:01:37 PM

i have some concerns, but i don't think noise and wake would be a big problem where i'm i'd keep it

9/22/2008 6:07:32 PM

The cost to keep it afloat = $Texas
Slip in a marina, if you buy or even rent one = $Texas

9/22/2008 7:46:26 PM

the slip is $9-10 per foot per month, if i'm reading the website correctly.

9/22/2008 8:51:23 PM

for a reasonably small boat the place i got a quote from in little river was $1200 a year.. and it wasn't a 10ft boat or anything lol... closer to twice that

9/22/2008 9:03:30 PM

It was like 350 a month for a slip at the sheraton in the bern

9/22/2008 9:20:37 PM

that's roughly in line with what i figured. slightly more, but not huge.

money-wise, i think it would be ok with a 25-35' aft cabin (not a 50' yacht, haha). I just don't know if I want to live on a boat.

I want to buy a house/condo, too, just to rent it out.

9/22/2008 11:43:48 PM

Coworker here in Seattle lives on a 37' sailboat w/ his wife - shilshole marina for Duke's sake - he's got me thinking it's a better idea than the rather overpriced real estate out here. There are also many damn cheap old sailboats around here - problem is you'd end up paying more in parking than the boat is worth in a very short period of time.

9/22/2008 11:51:23 PM

sure

it's basically your rent

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 12:02 AM. Reason : or spend a bunch and buy the slip; then it's like your mortgage]

9/23/2008 12:01:52 AM

Don't laugh, but you could always buy a trailer on a leased lot.

Some of my friends were selling one on Emerald Isle earlier this summer for $16k.

They bought it for $14k and paid something like $3k per year for lot rent.

So basically, they lived walking distance from the beach at Emerald Isle for the past five years and it cost them a grand total of $13,000 which they split two ways. (14k initial purchase, $15k in lot rent, subtract $16k that they received when they sold it.)

Thirteen thousand dollars for five years.

Why do I live in Raleigh again?

There is always the chance that the trailer park will sell out to a real estate developer, in which case you lose your purchase. It's the chance you take I guess.

[Edited on September 23, 2008 at 1:26 AM. Reason : l]

9/23/2008 1:25:36 AM

there's also the chance that you will be surrounded by douchebag trailer trash. it might be a little better at the beach, but i'm guessing it would still be totally intolerable.

9/23/2008 5:11:54 PM

My sister lives in Constitution Marina in Boston from April-Oct. They bought their 36 footer for about $40,000 and pay $400 per month in slip fees.

9/23/2008 5:36:12 PM