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"HPDE is fun, but don't knock something that you haven't fully explored yet"

You probably aren't referring to me, but I autoxed for 4 years...

2/17/2006 5:43:07 PM

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"You probably aren't referring to me, but I autoxed for 4 years..."

No, it was a blanket statement as you don tknow how many times I hear people give the same statements about why autoX sucks, but then complain about not having enough money for HPDEs (or about gas, tires, brake pads, saftey equipment, etc...

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"and i said that... what of it? how am i gonna prove that i dont think he should instruct.. sure maybe the novice school.. but someone that just started (one season), imho, isnt going to have enough experience to be able to ride in a car and try to explain how to set up turns, oversteer vs understeer and how to adjust/adapt to each, and other things.. i guess those would be more on par for an intermediate/advanced school, tho. so, how the fuck do i prove my opinion? plz let me know? i dont think you can prove someone's opinion wrong... PROVE ME WRONG ON THAT!"

If he is faster than you in the same car, I would the he has plenty to teach you.

Now, with that said, there are some people GREAT at explaining things and how to tell you what YOU are doing wrong, and they don't have to be the number one driver as well.

Furthermore, you DONT talk to a novice about car setup, " to explain how to set up turns, oversteer vs understeer and how to adjust/adapt to each, and other things" (as you stated), you only have to tell them to concentrate on CORRECT DRIVING, AWARENESS, and MEMORIZING what they did. You don't know how many times after a run, I ask the student what he did wrong and right, and the majority of the time they can't remember anything. That, and how many people do I get into the car with that WONT take their hands off the shifter the WHOLE time, try to drive with one hand and are 400 ft from the pedals/wheel. Furthermore, I am ALWAYS asking for help from someone out there that I think can help me, or see what the think I am doing wrong, so in that sense, EVERYONE is an instructor. Being an instructor just means you are observant, and you help relate information to the driver so he can better understand what he is doing. Being on the other side of the car and NOT driving allows you A LOT of information the driver doesn't always have.

I think someone who has the basics down and DOESN'T talk over the Novice's head is someone who SHOULD be an instructor. Also, people who just came from being a NOV are the BEST instructors as they can relate best.


You can have your opinion all you want, I just can't help it if it is wrong and not based in reality. Did you beat Dan or PJ last year? Heck, some events, there were only 8-10 people faster then them PAX'd, they picked up quickly, AND they are NOV coordinators + helped the club and got recognized for it.

- dow

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 6:03 PM. Reason : If you want to show something, you show up an participate. No one wants to hear an Internet blowhard]

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 6:08 PM. Reason : 2]

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 6:10 PM. Reason : 3]

2/17/2006 6:00:20 PM

i bet you could beat my best time dipshit. at the last autox i did (which was my second) i was on bald all season tires and had thrown on my rear sway bar a week before hand. christ almighty, never did i say i could drive & i'll actually be the first to admit that i'm pretty damn awful at it.

2/17/2006 7:32:57 PM

pax means nothing if they were fully prepped to the max the class allows and i wasnt. i was in EP, and the car wasnt even close to being competitive in that pax.

and thanks for proving my opinion wrong..
i mean.. you said it was wrong, so it MUST be.

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"If he is faster than you in the same car, I would the he has plenty to teach you."

and wtf is that? incoherent babbling? i would the he has what?

and i dont think memorizing exactly what you did is really that important.. sure, if you mess up somewhere, note it, but why the hell would you tell a novice to try to concentrate on how they just messed up instead of telling them to forget about it and concentrate on what they are about to do?

btw, last year i offered up to be an event coordinator and was shrugged off b/c i'd never done it before.

im not saying they shouldnt help out or shouldnt try to offer advice...

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 8:23 PM. Reason : -]

and i have participated for the past two seasons and was a club member last year...
(but try again on calling me out on something you know nothing about)

ps.


[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 8:24 PM. Reason : img]

2/17/2006 8:20:42 PM

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"this is one reason i disagree with that novice rule change."

yeah, i thought that was lame too. i think they've changed it back this year. it's not exactly like it used to be, but fairly close. it's definitely not a year-long class anymore.

2/17/2006 9:09:33 PM

We always get hammered hard on the PAX times when we take the FSAE car to autocrosses. They give us a PAX of 1, while the highest I've seen of the other cars is like .87 or something. FTD was 53rd after PAX at the last autocross we went to.

http://www.auto-x.com/results2005/park_and_ride_event_9_november_05_raw.htm
http://www.auto-x.com/results2005/park_and_ride_event_9_november_05_pax.htm

Don't get me wrong, we aren't out there to win anything, we're just there to have a good time and get some folks a little experience in a somewhat competition setting on an unfamiliar course. Most of the people are cool about things, but some just take it way to seriously...

2/17/2006 9:13:01 PM

did none but it appears

autoX- too much cost/abuse on the car for very little speed just to get some understeer/oversteer experience. all the shit with changing/swapping tires seems too tiresome.

track- the best, but major $texas unless you become fully involved with the scene, people and networking that goes with it.

1/4- on par with my opinion of NASCAR= they should all be murdered in cold blood.

solution: do all three on the street. it is far cheaper and only thing you have to do is fill up your gas tank and be stupid.

2/17/2006 9:52:45 PM

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"pax means nothing if they were fully prepped to the max the class allows and i wasnt. i was in EP, and the car wasnt even close to being competitive in that pax. and thanks for proving my opinion wrong.. i mean.. you said it was wrong, so it MUST be. Quote : "If he is faster than you in the same car, I would the he has plenty to teach you." and wtf is that? incoherent babbling? i would the he has what? and i dont think memorizing exactly what you did is really that important.. sure, if you mess up somewhere, note it, but why the hell would you tell a novice to try to concentrate on how they just messed up instead of telling them to forget about it and concentrate on what they are about to do? btw, last year i offered up to be an event coordinator and was shrugged off b/c i'd never done it before. im not saying they shouldnt help out or shouldnt try to offer advice... [Edited on February 17, 2006 at 8:23 PM. Reason : -] and i have participated for the past two seasons and was a club member last year... (but try again on calling me out on something you know nothing about)"

Nice post. You think I would waste my time trying to 'prove you wrong' or anyone else here on brentroad? Wow... nice hate post... sweet.

IFF you know what is right and wrong.. get out there and teach. Otherwise, quit your brentroad banter. I don't have time for it.

Dan > you.

Get over it. Thanks for proving my point.

Next!

- dow

[Edited on February 17, 2006 at 10:20 PM. Reason : Ha!]

2/17/2006 10:19:08 PM

show me where anyone said they were better than him in the first place

2/17/2006 11:34:04 PM

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=386200

2/18/2006 2:28:00 AM

I'm going to talk jdchmiel into letting me borrow his turbo'd mk1 MR2. I think a 10/1 weight/hp ratio and suspension work will certainly give me an advantage.

2/18/2006 3:09:52 AM

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"autoX- too much cost/abuse on the car for very little speed just to get some understeer/oversteer experience. all the shit with changing/swapping tires seems too tiresome."

who the hell goes through tires in an autocross or swaps them? no one does it unless you're *really* into it.

2/18/2006 3:11:05 AM

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"did none but it appears"

come on now...

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" autoX- too much cost/abuse on the car for very little speed just to get some understeer/oversteer experience. all the shit with changing/swapping tires seems too tiresome."

like anything, you can put as much or as little in as you want. you dont HAVE to do a single thing but show up to have fun. bone stock cars do just fine.

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"solution: do all three on the street. it is far cheaper and only thing you have to do is fill up your gas tank and be stupid."

stupid, yes. and honestly i havent found a road yet ever that'll let you get away w/ the stuff you do at autox.. but yeh i guess everyone's a winner when its all alone in a parking lot

if i was a mod i'd delete every post that started with "i've never done it before, but"

2/18/2006 9:25:45 AM

god damn you niggers who argue.

2/18/2006 4:19:20 PM

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"Nice post. You think I would waste my time trying to 'prove you wrong' or anyone else here on brentroad? Wow... nice hate post... sweet. IFF you know what is right and wrong.. get out there and teach. Otherwise, quit your brentroad banter. I don't have time for it. Dan > you. Get over it. Thanks for proving my point. Next! - dow"

nice response..

if you dont have time for it, then why not just stop. i never said i was better than anyone. you're just like 90% of the fucknuts on here.. you straight up said my opinion (or anything for that matter) was "wrong", but dont have anything to back it up... or maybe you just dont know what an "opinion" is.. b/c you think all of yours are fact.

and how exactly did i prove your point? you never had a point.. just useless trolling.

i used to wonder why adam hated you so much.. at first i thought he just hated everyone.. now i realize that you're just a clownfucker..

but thx for trying..

[Edited on February 18, 2006 at 9:22 PM. Reason : -]

[Edited on February 18, 2006 at 9:23 PM. Reason : bold]

2/18/2006 9:21:40 PM

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"i used to wonder why adam hated you so much.. at first i thought he just hated everyone.. now i realize that you're just a clownfucker."

i fucking love it

2/19/2006 11:37:41 PM

if adam hating someone justifies someone else hating someone, woudl everyone hate everyone?

tnt coming up, whos going to that? vrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrroooooooooommmmmm

2/20/2006 9:49:43 AM

^ that was kinda my point...

im not going to the tnt, but im gonna try to make it out as much as i can this season...

2/20/2006 10:44:44 AM

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" if i was a mod i'd delete every post that started with "i've never done it before, but""

well for one you kind of missed the dose of trolling in my post. you also missed the it appears part...but thats fine.

i still firmly stand behind my opinion about autoX. it's fucking stupid.

2/20/2006 11:09:24 AM

Autox is a lot of fun. You're actually on the "edge" more often that you are on a track. On average you turn three times as much per minute than F1 drivers. It really is exciting. I did time trials and VIR this past weekend (I think I was 1st in class), and while it was undoubtadly fun, I probably have just as much fun at an autocross.

This year I'll be switching between an ES Miata and an SM2 CRX. I might move the miata into STS2 later in the season... we'll see.

2/21/2006 3:53:48 PM

^^ aren't you the same guy that said you weren't going to chip your 1.8T for various stupid reasons a few months back?

[Edited on February 21, 2006 at 6:26 PM. Reason : *]

2/21/2006 5:58:16 PM

Auto-x threads always end up in an argument around here.

They should do a triathlon where event 1 is shit-talking, event 2 is auto-x, and event 3 is kickboxing. Throw in a keg and we could just call it a meet.

Drive y0 car and keep y0 mouf shut!

And UnderPSI lemme hold that NSX. I got the $40 ready.

2/21/2006 6:41:57 PM

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"You're actually on the "edge" more often that you are on a track."

and you know this how?

2/21/2006 7:07:29 PM

lol.

2/21/2006 7:10:03 PM

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"^^ aren't you the same guy that said you weren't going to chip your 1.8T for various stupid reasons a few months back? "

then he got APR

2/21/2006 7:12:41 PM

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"They should do a triathlon where event 1 is shit-talking, event 2 is auto-x, and event 3 is kickboxing. Throw in a keg and we could just call it a meet. "

Throw some driving in after Igor's place and we have what you described.

2/21/2006 7:13:01 PM

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"then he got APR "

big talk from the man who bought a vr6

2/21/2006 8:08:03 PM

"I did time trials and VIR this past weekend (I think I was 1st in class), and while it was undoubtadly fun, I probably have just as much fun at an autocross."

Really, I was up there w/NASA (running full course) in HPDE 3, and didn't think there were any time trials going on, as the season's first race is on the 17th of next month (which I'm planning to enter). I also don't recall seeing any timing equipment near start/finish. Please do tell more...
Ahmet

2/21/2006 8:48:16 PM

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"^^ aren't you the same guy that said you weren't going to chip your 1.8T for various stupid reasons a few months back? "

yes thats me and i regretted getting chipped. those $500 could have went into big turbo budget, but buyer's impulse...

btw, were you that dude with red jetta with black rcs on the drive the feb fling?

2/21/2006 9:11:46 PM

^^, he is talkinb about the patriot course.

haha.

2/21/2006 10:22:21 PM

i have black fliks with silver lip. most big turbo kits will come with software. unless you really really want to build something from scratch.

2/21/2006 11:57:38 PM

I figured there was no way somebody would 'win' their class in an actual time trial and not know for sure...

The patriot course looks like fun, but it's not what I would call "track driving". It's more like a fairly relaxed auto-x course, but with elevation changes.

Also, I do agree that an auto-x throws more turns and so forth at you, but to say that it takes more precision than track driving is, well, inaccurate to say the least. Also, open lapping in an HPDE1 session is one thing, going out wheel to wheel is something else entirely.
Ahmet

2/22/2006 12:28:32 PM

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"big talk from the man who bought a vr6"

after i get my jetta done, we can run 'em if you'd like...

2/22/2006 1:25:03 PM

btw, the M3 was supar! at the test and tune on sunday. took me a bit to get used to the slower steering compared to the R32 and the RWD drift0rness, but yeh. it was awesome. it turned it and rotated very well w/ the alignment i have on it and was super composed under braking and accelerating while turning like when late braking into a slolum, etc.

yeah

2/28/2006 10:00:15 AM

got to try out the new lsd. it gave up on me a couple times, i think there may be too much friction modifier in the oil.

alright, time to blow some $ on new tires...

2/28/2006 11:03:57 AM

^i heard that car was a beast. what kinda power do you think its making?

2/28/2006 11:07:26 AM

not all that much really. probably around 220rwhp. but i've taken a good bit of weight off of it and i'm using the NA tranny and diff ratio, which is pretty aggressive. i was going to get a boost controller, but i can't even use all the power i've got right now, so i'm going to hold off on that for a while. i think i'm going to save up for some coilovers.

2/28/2006 11:20:06 AM

slalom

2/28/2006 1:18:17 PM

ah, that looks much better.

2/28/2006 1:27:38 PM

pictures are up:

http://photobucket.com/albums/f235/chrishobo2/?start=all

http://photobucket.com/albums/e151/chrishobo3/?start=all





apparently there's a video too, but i couldn't get it to work.

http://videos.streetfire.net/video/75B3CDFF-C082-4051-A26C-71DED5B9A0C6.htm

3/1/2006 9:36:14 AM

holler.

3/1/2006 11:56:47 AM

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"I figured there was no way somebody would 'win' their class in an actual time trial and not know for sure... "

About 3/4 of the way through they turned it into an "unofficial" event. I'm not sure whether it was b/c of the wrecks or b/c they were having timing trouble. Needless to say, they didn't get 100% of the runs timed properly, and some of the classes weren't reported. They just gave a raw list of times. Based on the list I had the fasted time in my class, but I don't know whether it was completely accurate or not.

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"The patriot course looks like fun, but it's not what I would call "track driving". It's more like a fairly relaxed auto-x course, but with elevation changes. Also, I do agree that an auto-x throws more turns and so forth at you, but to say that it takes more precision than track driving is, well, inaccurate to say the least. Also, open lapping in an HPDE1 session is one thing, going out wheel to wheel is something else entirely. Ahmet"

Hmm... I didn't say it took any more precision. I just said that you are on the "edge" more. You do turn a lot more, and don't have any straights. I was picking my nose as I went down the back straight of the Patriot Course.

They're both fun, no doubt. I prefer driving on a track b/c it's foreign to me, and b/c it offers a whole other set of challenges. Driving at VIR didn't make me dislike autocrossing any... I still look forward to every race.

Wheel-to-wheel is a totally different game, in my book. Each type of racecar driving is different and fits a very specific category of people. They're all fun... you just do what you can afford or what you prefer. Personally, I think drag racing is stupid and requires little driving skill. But it does it does require other things, like quick reaction time and lots of money . I don't think anyone is stupid for doing it though. I'm sure it's exciting for those people.

[Edited on March 5, 2006 at 10:13 PM. Reason : ]

3/5/2006 10:11:22 PM

anyone going to the rallycross on the 25th?

3/5/2006 11:09:22 PM

bttt!

THSCC's first points event this weekend!

3/17/2006 3:11:44 PM

oh shit... can't wait to try out my new 275 Azenis

3/17/2006 3:48:25 PM

^^i thought you were optimisprimer?

3/17/2006 5:11:27 PM

haha, no. I'm Jen, I know your brother. I talked to you at the tnt and I am dating Jonbo. That's all the associations I can think of.

3/17/2006 7:03:49 PM

oh hah my bad.

3/17/2006 7:11:58 PM

yea, you're bad. maybe you shoudl talk some more shit to a novice

3/18/2006 2:40:04 AM

i had a lot of fun at the novice event with my subby

3/18/2006 7:39:16 PM