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10/25/2005 11:13:47 PM

this is growing faster than i thought...over 60 users already

10/25/2005 11:38:14 PM

nicely done moody

10/26/2005 10:15:04 AM

83 and counting!!!

10/26/2005 10:44:09 AM

join my group aholes

10/26/2005 7:27:13 PM

109

chris you better stay away from those risque pics...mike rules the site with an iron fist!!!

10/26/2005 8:46:42 PM

$$$$ big things happen at midnight tonight...better be registered $$$$

10/26/2005 9:16:40 PM

Site looks nice, I made an account:
http://www.wolfpacklife.com/viewprofile.php?userid=116

10/26/2005 9:40:47 PM

Yes...the rumors are true... here's your chance to pocket $175 in 24hrs. Participate in the "The 175" - 24hrs of internet maddness. Keep your eyes on the site to find out how... we're keeping it a secret to the last possible minute. Hence the phrase "maddness".....

Contest starts tonight at midnight. Only users that have registered as of 12:00am - Thursday, October 27, 2005 will be eligible to participate. So click that "register" button and stick around for the contest details cause we're sending them your way soon.... And by the way... yes.. the 175 stands for dollars. That's right $175.00, compliments of Interactive Remix. Check back soon to find out how you can win. Here's a hint...start making a lot of new friends

Go There: http://www.wolfpacklife.com

[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 9:56 PM. Reason : :-)]

10/26/2005 9:55:02 PM

Complete details will be released at 10:45pm

10/26/2005 10:03:15 PM

Alright peeps - the contest rules are up - http://www.wolfpacklife.com/news/article.php?newsid=13&catid=17

10/26/2005 10:48:56 PM

Quick, everyone register themselves 175 times!!

[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 10:54 PM. Reason : me spellin's off tonight]

10/26/2005 10:54:01 PM

haha...i bet we can delete you before you get the 2nd one up

10/26/2005 10:58:17 PM

LOL.. you'd have to find 175 convincing photos. Our mojo is strong - we're tracking everything, so no cheating.

10/26/2005 11:00:22 PM

Quote :

"haha...i bet we can delete you before you get the 2nd one up"

That sounds like a wager.

10/26/2005 11:14:19 PM

soon i will be up to 2 out of 175... mwahahaha

10/26/2005 11:17:23 PM

it starts at midnight...save those friends

10/26/2005 11:19:01 PM

If you add me as your friend I'll put you on the WON'T PUNCH YOU IN THE FACE WHEN I SEE YOU IN PUBLIC list.

10/26/2005 11:19:19 PM

GREAT group idea Sonia...make it and I'll join


i'm a member

[Edited on October 26, 2005 at 11:22 PM. Reason : yall are getting punched if you don't join]

10/26/2005 11:19:50 PM

Time to join the group or eat that thing you call a hat.

10/26/2005 11:21:54 PM

15 minutes

10/26/2005 11:45:58 PM

wait so the most friends gets paid

im on it

10/26/2005 11:58:15 PM

1) i was clicking through random photos, and found a classmate on the fifth one. gg.
2) your messaging is icky. looks like you copied from Word. HTML can be used for a lot of the things email usually entails, and the rest is not needed. i suggest getting rid of what you have there, or boiling it down to one row.

10/26/2005 11:58:46 PM

it has begun...don't forget the pictures

10/27/2005 12:02:16 AM

theres not even 175 people ON THE FUCKING SITE HOW CAN I WIN

10/27/2005 12:03:50 AM

you have to invite people...that's the core of the contest

10/27/2005 12:18:29 AM

oh i dont have any friends in college anymore

10/27/2005 12:19:48 AM

Well then you should be glad..cause you don't have to be a NCSU student to register.

10/27/2005 12:20:12 AM

if you guys want the hardcore spam shit and wanna pay for it, pm me

[Edited on October 27, 2005 at 12:21 AM. Reason : ]

10/27/2005 12:21:39 AM

This is retarded sorry. Slower than xuqa, it's got all the same useable features, way fewer people, this is a better messageboard.

And I want to know how a) You are going to even afford the bandwidth and b) how you plan to make any money off of this.

The shopping deal is going to end up being a scam and spamfest. There's no policing or arbitration to it at all.

It looks nice as hell though, good job on the designwork SilentIsrael.

10/27/2005 12:21:41 AM

LOL.. haha Noen, we were waiting on you to roll in with some remarks. Glad you like the site. Sorry but the financial stuff is top secret. But no, we're not charging members to use the site.. and we're not ever planning on doing so. Wolfpacklife.com was created to move away from the stereotypical user-based websites that try to make members pay for advanced features and then swarm them with advertising. It's free, fun, and functional. And there's a big difference between Wolfpacklife.com and Xuqa & Facebook...

We didn't target all of the colleges in the U.S. Only NCSU.. the place and people that we know and love. There's no message board because TWW has cornered the market for that at NCSU. Why reinvent the wheel?

[Edited on October 27, 2005 at 12:35 AM. Reason : :-) Chris spell-checking me again]

10/27/2005 12:33:32 AM

who will win...nobody knows...

[Edited on October 27, 2005 at 1:06 AM. Reason : ?]

10/27/2005 1:04:32 AM

I mean, it's already pretty obvious what your intended revenue streams will be. Good idea, but there are going to be an absolute shit-ton of problems. I've been ironing out legal issues for a site for years now, and it still isn't okayed to even start into a beta launch.

BTW xuqa has 25million in venture capital. That's how they manage.

And the ONLY thing that differentiates your site from xuqa/myspace/facebook currently is the shopping aspect. Everything else has already been done, and been done pretty well.

And I'm telling you that shopping section is going to turn into nothing but trouble if the sight gains any significant popularity.

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On the plus side, definite props for getting it launched. It looks good. Kind of shitty that you can tell its using a generic cms/portal backend, but at least that's familiar to most people.

On the gallery page, set the img attributes (height/width) in html first, right now its like watching a weird movie seeing the page move around as they load into place. Also consider auto-cropping/padding the thumbnails, it's pretty distracting seeing all the different sizes and ratios.

Also this in your TOS is a VERY SCARY bit. It basically gives you right to redistribute, use, list and sell any information from ANY user on the site.

Quote :

" Sharing Your Information with Third Parties We may share your information with third parties, including responsible companies with which we have a relationship. For example: We may provide information to service providers to help us bring you the services we offer. Specifically, we may use third parties to facilitate our business, such as to send email solicitations. In connection with these offerings and business operations, our service providers may have access to your personal information for use in connection with these business activities. We may be required to disclose customer information pursuant to lawful requests, such as subpoenas or court orders, or in compliance with applicable laws. Additionally, we may share account or other information when we believe it is necessary to comply with law or to protect our interests or property. This may include sharing information with other companies, lawyers, agents or government agencies. If the ownership of all or substantially all of the Wolfpacklife.com business were to change, your user information would likely be transferred to the new owner. If you do not want to receive promotional email from Wolfpacklife.com and/or do not want us to share your information with third parties for marketing purposes, please submit a request by emailing us at info@Wolfpacklife.com.com. We will make every effort to implement any choice you make as soon as possible. "

Quote :

"Third Party Advertising Advertisements that appear on the Web Site are delivered to users by our advertising partners. Our advertising partners may download cookies to your computer. Doing this allows the advertising network to recognize your computer each time they send you an advertisement. In this way, they may compile information about where you, or others who are using your computer, saw their advertisements and determine which advertisements are clicked. This information allows an advertising network to deliver targeted advertisements that they believe will be of most interest to you. Wolfpacklife.com does not have access to or control of the cookies that may be placed by the third party advertisers. This privacy statement covers the use of cookies by Wolfpacklife.com and does not cover the use of cookies by any of its advertisers. "

Just a word of warning to anyone who joins. You are legally signing over absolutely every bit of information you post, display, send or recieve to these guys. I'm almost sure neither of these fellas INTENDS to do anything malicious, as I know they are BOTH pretty upstanding people, but nonetheless, this is very very very shaky ground to be on.

[Edited on October 27, 2005 at 2:09 AM. Reason : .]

10/27/2005 1:57:59 AM

Quote :

"This may include sharing information with other companies, lawyers, agents or government agencies."

OH SHIT DONT TELL THE FEDS

10/27/2005 2:12:31 AM

no...i repeat NO information will be resold or distributed. we will not use anyone's email addresses for spam or anything of the sort. also, as i'm sure most of you would assume...your passwords are encrypted upon submission so none of that information is seen on our end.

http://wolfpacklife.com/groups/groupprofile.php?groupid=14 is TWW group on there...ya'll join that one if you want to

10/27/2005 2:16:08 AM

encrypted how?

10/27/2005 2:16:59 AM

Quote :

"All personal information entered by users is displayed publically. The sole exception is the email address. Email addresses are most frequently used by The Wolf Web to communicate with users about issues that need direct attention. Occasionally mass emails are sent by The Wolf Web to alert the user base of important issues, events, and features. Email addresses will not be sold or exchanged with 3rd parties. Any private content (private mail or content in a private site section) is susceptible to audit at any time for any reason. Although an audit of content is rare, in the event of harrassments, threats, or any other suspected deviance, content may be reviewed and submitted to the appropriate authorities. "

is TWW TOS which is basically the same thing that mike has...

as for the encryption...i'm not sure exactly...mike knows and he's asleep i think

and as you can see from the site...there are no ads (in regard to the 3rd party advertising)...and Wolfpacklife.com doesn't use cookies

[Edited on October 27, 2005 at 2:26 AM. Reason : .]

10/27/2005 2:18:51 AM

its absolutely nothing the same;

tdub explicitly states "Email addresses will not be sold or exchanged with 3rd parties."

your TOS says the exact opposite, except with less scrutiny

"We may share your information with third parties, including responsible companies with which we have a relationship. For example: ...Specifically, we may use third parties to facilitate our business, such as to send email solicitations "

10/27/2005 2:25:41 AM

up to 139...we're working on something special for the first 175 users...more to come soon

-we posted this on tww to inform you guys...if you don't want to use it, that is entirely your choice and a respected one at that. i'm just not going to debate it on here. if any of you have any questions please contact mike or myself through email, pm, or message on the site. thanks

10/27/2005 2:29:23 AM

Exactly. Good luck on the site man. I'll be sure to routinely make sure people know that they are surrendering their privacy rights by joining. Because those TOS are basically giving free reign to EVERYTHING every user does.

10/27/2005 2:34:10 AM

ing is lame

10/27/2005 2:35:47 AM

It's not trolling.

You need to change your TOS, or make it clear to users that they are going to potentially get spammed to all shit from joining your site.

10/27/2005 2:39:26 AM

i don't think you've joined, but as the last comment about this type of stuff in here (by me at least)...not a single spam mail has been sent or is planned on being sent...that part of the TOS may not be completely accurate so you may be arguing a moot point (remember this is only the 3rd day of the site). the goal of the site is to create a thriving community for nc state and the surrounding area through various means. we don't even have google ads on the site and don't plan on it...it's about the user and you raise a valid concern. if any Wolfpacklife.com user has received any spam (which they haven't)...please let me know

we're constantly improving any usability issues that are addressed and if anyone encounters a problem...let us know asap and we'll get right on it...thanks for looking out for everyone though Noen because not all sites are run by respectable people

10/27/2005 2:46:01 AM

just revise the TOS and I'll be more than happy

And in the future Ill be glad to im/email in changes that need to be made for the public good (because again I will stress that I honestly believe yall are standup guys, and an honest mistake is just that)

10/27/2005 2:48:44 AM

thanks man...yeah we are DEF. looking for users that will tell us what they want added and what should be fixed. i know you have a very discerning eye and that's just what we need. obviously we aren't some huge site where you're just a number and we feel like that's what we have going for us...so please, please do pm, im, or email me with any suggestions that ANY of you have. that's what we're here for!

and mr. wuf has joined http://wolfpacklife.com/viewprofile.php?userid=144

[Edited on October 27, 2005 at 2:51 AM. Reason : .]

10/27/2005 2:51:09 AM

Alright Noen... I normally have a very strict code against responding to critics because it always turns into a back and forth conversation that neither side can win. "Normally"....

If you have issues with the terms of service, design, or concept of the site, don't use it. It's really that simple. You keep assuming that there is some lingering master plan to lure in NCSU students and then hijack all of their information in a marketing scam. What would be the point? Anyone that wants information about NCSU students can easily go to the Student Directory and find everything they need. You keep missing the point. Wolfpacklife.com was created to do what other websites will not do - provide a service for FREE without hitting users with outrageous advertising, scams, or un-necessary membership requirements. You are just like all the rest of my top critics - all of which happen to be fellow design students or computer science majors. Formal education doesn't make you instantly qualified to be the judge on all things associated. If you think you can produce a better product... please do...I'm not standing in your way.

Quote :

"I mean, it's already pretty obvious what your intended revenue streams will be."

6 months from now when we are STILL adding new features and STILL giving away free stuff... check us out so you can see that Revenue is not our goal. There are people who have been in my face all week about ways to make money off of the site and I tell them all the same thing... NO. If we wanted to make money we would be charging for mp3 hosting, band promotion, shopping center, and features like that. I have plenty of playing clients that pay me to design and develop websites. I have no interest in trying to swindle college students out of money.

Our shopping center is no different than an advanced classified ad section. We have NOTHING to do with the transactions that take place between a buyer and seller. We don't process payments or anything like that. People post when they have things they want to sell. We make it easy by allowing them to upload photos, do product searches, and things of the like. But other than that, the rest is between buyer & seller.

Quote :

"On the plus side, definite props for getting it launched. It looks good. Kind of shitty that you can tell its using a generic cms/portal backend, but at least that's familiar to most people."

.... you dare. I spent 8 days of programming building the site from the ground up. There is not a SINGLE bit of code running on the site's engine that was borrowed from any CMS or Portal site. I have used portals like PHP-Nuke and Mambo before and they always frustrate me because they never do what I want them to. Say what you want, but the Wolfpacklife.com engine code is 100% original... every single piece of it. Yeah I know that's hard to believe since I don't have a computer science degree waving in front of me.. but ask anyone that knows me....

..that brings me to my final point. You don't know me. You don't know Chris. You assume too much. I think critics are something that we have to have in the world, but please make sure you are well informed before you start ripping the site our it's administrators to pieces. Again you are helping prove why I ruled out the possibility of having a message board on the site - to prevent conversations like this.

Wolfpacklife.com was built to be everything that I love about user-driven sites and to completely eliminate everything that I hate about them. I know how hard it is for you to get a grasp on the fact that someone would actually undertake a project like this with no intentions of making money or scamming people.... but such people DO actually still exist in the world.

10/27/2005 9:09:24 AM

I'd be more than willing to give you guys content concerning the history of N.C. State University.

10/27/2005 9:29:36 AM

Hey Friends,

Here are the top four (4) users that have received the most freind requests as of 12:00am this morning. (In no particular order):

Cody Williams
Brandy Callanan
Jason Aycoth
Jennifer McCann
And from the looks of things, the race is exteremly close so far. Keep em coming....

^ I am creating a NCSU History section for the News submission system as we speak. Feel free to submit content and we'll put it up there.

10/27/2005 9:33:45 AM

This just keeps getting better and better. A new sponsor just donated a $200 Best Buy Gift Card as part of the new "Get Connected - Get Cash" Contest!!!! More details online at http://www.wolfpacklife.com/news/article.php?newsid=14&catid=17

10/27/2005 12:35:47 PM

i have the most friends, but i can't win

10/27/2005 12:55:31 PM