Bitch, I'm outta college. I wish I were back though

But witless cunt is a very good description for everyone who thinks the situation in new orleans is racist. They completely overlook the fact that gangs are murdering people and shooting at the rescue vehicles. I mean, I don't know what else to call them. I'm astounded by the utter stupidity of anyone who would actually claim that.

9/3/2005 10:58:53 PM

I don't disagree with you. I just wish people could debate one here without making it personal.

9/3/2005 11:03:17 PM

I just had nothing left. If it looks like an idiot, talks like an idiot, debates like an idiot... might as well call it a witless cunt.

9/3/2005 11:04:13 PM

yes we know about the shootings and they were already dicsussed if you read the whole thread before posting. this is why we have a military for this type of job. a man shooting at a helicopter is not the cause of what transpired over the last few days. i'm sure there will be many theories over the next several months of all the causes and who blames who, but the fact is, the US is still not prepared to handle large scale emergencies. With all the money thats been spent on homeland security, response to catastrophies is still lacking.

9/3/2005 11:07:14 PM

Do you really expect to be able to deploy troops with the snap of some fingers? Man, I wish I had a magic wand too, but c'mon.

Still, New York didn't behave like that after 9/11, Florida never acted like that... it's totally ridiculous. Instead of blaming the president or congress or whoever else you want to blame... HOW ABOUT BLAMING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RAPING AND MURDERING AND LOOTING AND SHOOTING AT HELICOPTERS.

I mean, they are downtrodden and poor and no one will help them. That's what anyone would do in their situation.

How about we start blaming the people WHO ARE ACTUALLY AT FAULT instead of letting them completely off the hook and blaming "the man."

9/3/2005 11:10:13 PM

An estimated 8,000 body bags have been sent to NO and southeastern LA.

9/3/2005 11:22:10 PM

i agree there were people behaving very badly...but the majority of the people needing help were not shooting at helicopters, raping and murdering. The majority listened to authorities and went to the superdome and the convention center with the promise there would be help there. Most of the looting was for survival items which shouldnt be grouped with those other items listed.

there are people in the government that are paid to prepare for these events. they study the risks certain cities face. they train to overcome these obstacles. people study human behaviors are not surprised by any of the actions of these people. nothing here was a surprise, and if it was someone is not doing their job.

9/3/2005 11:23:30 PM

No, not the majority of looting was survival. EVERY STORE was looted. I saw pictures of people with 8 or 9 boxes of shoes. TVs. Stereos. I don't care if the majority were law biding and trying to do what they had to do. I feel bad for them but watching these people behave like that... and you claim it's the President's fault.

That is just completely unbelievable. Are those real synapses that are firing that gives you those thoughts?

I just don't know what to say. I can't beleive that a human being, an equal, would say something like that.

9/3/2005 11:29:00 PM

you are misunderstanding my point. i never blamed the hurricane or the looting on the president. you are so focused on the looting aspect you fail to see the big picture. Looting or no looting, this country was unable or unwilling to save thousands of dying people in a major city for almost a week. Now the real question is WHY were they unable or unwilling? what needs to be fixed?

9/3/2005 11:40:29 PM

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"Lunican:6 days after a real disaster in the gulf and the feds had done nothing. Maybe New Orleans is being punished for voting for Kerry..."

You're the one claiming that New Orleans was being punished and you agreed with the guy that said:

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"psst... do you remember how fast bush responded to the folks in florida during a crucial election year? coincidence?"

and you agreed by saying:

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"exactly right"

So my tyraid against you and meeyoww was completely justified because you did say indirectly that it was the government/president/racist people in washington. You directly agreed with people making outrageous statements on here.

And so far, your 65 posts have been a travesty to this board.

[Edited on September 3, 2005 at 11:48 PM. Reason : .]

9/3/2005 11:47:20 PM

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"travesty to this board"

could the bar possibly be any lower...

9/3/2005 11:53:44 PM

yeah your "tyraid" against us has included profanity, childish remarks, and no real content. all you've done is disagreed and not added anything of value. thats all i'll say on that.

9/3/2005 11:55:40 PM

I don't need to add "facts" or anything because I am dealing with a person who is blaming the President and claims NO is being punished for voting Kerry.

Obviously, logical reasoning escapes you, so I decided to deal with you on your level.

Yes, I cursed, made childish comments, and I take none of it back. ANYONE who claims that the situation is racist or the President is at fault needs a severe reality check. Politics has so blinded some people that they are completely ignorant of events around them.

If you want to talk about the problems, the logistics of getting food to these people who obviously need help, then we can talk about that. But as soon as you say that the situation is anyone else's fault besides those who are killing, raping, looting, and shooting at those trying to rescue them, then I quit listening and I will curse. It makes me angry, as it should anger every American.

9/4/2005 12:01:18 AM

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"500,000 people stayed below sea level, at the beach, with no supplies when it was announced 2+ days ahead of landfall that a cat 4 or 5 storm would be coming in." They werent expecting that many idiots. And before you jump down my throat, dont you dare tell me than most of these people had no way out. There are certainly some, but not most of them. And this so called Mayor of the city... He should be pissed at himself. I see a damned school bus yard of 200 buses. Why the hell didnt you pull them out in those?"

Good point!

9/4/2005 12:40:18 AM

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"Still, New York didn't behave like that after 9/11,"

as tragic as it was 9/11 doesn't scratch the asshole of what happend in NO

9/4/2005 1:10:32 AM

http://simcityneworleans.ytmnd.com/

9/4/2005 1:44:02 AM

^^^thank you for getting back to the point.

[Edited on September 4, 2005 at 1:47 AM. Reason : ]

9/4/2005 1:47:11 AM

florida and new orleans are completly different. florida gets hit every year. new orleans hadnt really been hit in about 40 years. most of the places in flrodia being hit arent big cities 7 feet below sea level.

9/4/2005 2:56:18 AM

This tragedy is a perfect example of how incompetent local and state governments can fist-fuck a situation...

Now living in Miami, I have heard from several folks here that in 1992 when Andrew hit, martial law was declared before the storm even hit. Local officials knew that Miami has its dregs and that shit (looting, chaos) would happen, so they prepared for it. Local and state officials asked a priori that National Guard troops be deployed and a curfew placed before the storm even came.

Looking at the situation in New Orleans, it seems that some folks in Louisiana were asleep at the wheel.

[Edited on September 4, 2005 at 3:15 AM. Reason : .]

9/4/2005 3:14:50 AM

what others(local officials and evacuees themselves) aren't realizing is that there are multiple states and multiple cities that have been hit by this thing... Bush can't justify sending every troop he can to NO when he has similar situations elsewhere in Gulfport and Biloxi.

I think the federal government has done its best in helping out the people of NO.. No one realizes that we still have a whole nation to defend and normal daily operations are continuing as before.. he has 54,000 troops who are either in NO or are headed to NO..

I put the blame on those who decided to use the Superdome as a shelter.. to those who didn't evacuate the poor and the disabled before the storm.. I seriously don't see Nagin or Blanco getting re-elected.. they are the ones to blame in all of this.. Blanco waited until conditions at the Superdome got worse before asking for federal help. After knowing the worst-case scenario of a direct hit, they still did nothing to help out the NO residents before the storm.. There was no way that the levee system was going to withstand this storm, unless that thing took a severe right turn at the last minute.

Seriously, did they think that NO would be spared from this storm, that those seeing refuge at the SUperdome would be able to leave and return home once the storm moved out??

Please prove me wrong here, but did they have a significant force of national guard at the superdome the night of the storm?? If you're expecting 20000+ people filling the dome, most who are poor, sick, and many others who are drug addicts(who are more and likely the ones who have the guns and doing the most looting), riding out a catastrophic storm, you very well know that they would've come in handy to keep law and order, to help feed and take care of the evacuees

The mayor and governor should've asked the feds for relief before the storm.. getting food and water stockpiled into the dome for the aftermath...

I also think the media is overexaggerating the whole situation. They made the looting and violence look far worse than it was.. According to the military and those in the city, most reported things were calm. Of course you're gonna have a bunch of pissed off people b/c of the stressful conditions they are in.. I'd be pissed off if i was stuck in a city of water, surrounded by feces, urine, dead bodies, and a painful stomach which hasn't seen a good amount of food in days, whether or not I knew help was coming to get me out of these conditions.

[Edited on September 4, 2005 at 10:45 AM. Reason : ]

9/4/2005 10:45:24 AM

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"do you remember how fast bush responded to the folks in florida during a crucial election year? coincidence?"

What is he supposed to do for a city UNDERWATER?? He deployed troops to help save people from the flooded areas and some of the ungrateful assholes SHOT AT THE HELICOPTERS (Day 1)!

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"Thats because they had ROADS to send people in. Jesus people. You act as if this hurricane were something normal. The entire fucking city is a swamp. There are no homes for people to stand in front of to collect a check. They essentially had 2 natural disasters within 24 hours. The roads are all under water."

Exactly right.

So far, I agree almost totally with what I've read from CarZin , MaximaDrvr , and abonorio

9/4/2005 1:37:28 PM

Most of this started from when they tried to make more land by cutting down the flooding of the mississippi river, thus stopping natures natural way of dealing with things. when the river would flood BEFORE, it spread sediment over the banks, which was creating taller land, which over time, would protect the areas anyways.

More land to live on means more money to someone or some group.

9/4/2005 1:49:56 PM

if the roads were so impassable, how did brian williams do the nbc nightly news from outside the super dome immediately after the hurricane? they didn't fly their satellite trucks in. all the major news networks had people and equipment in the area right away.

9/4/2005 2:32:52 PM

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"this is from ultra conservative pro bush fox news. "

Fox News is not my network of choice (MSNBC or Reuters), but they are not "ultra conservative pro bush". they are slightly right of center.

and while i didn't vote for bush in his second election (i made a symbolic vote for Badnarik, even though i'd be terrified if he actually had been elected), i'm more comfortable with him than i would've been with Kerry, and so was the majority of the country...so "conservative" and "pro-Bush" are hardly effective insults.



and meeyoww, you're a fucking joke. if you're a Ph.D student, you're certain an expert in at least ONE field, but it sure as hell isn't politics.

[Edited on September 4, 2005 at 2:51 PM. Reason : adsfasdf]

9/4/2005 2:49:55 PM

^another one I agree with.

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"how did brian williams do the nbc nightly news from outside the super dome immediately after the hurricane?"

Ummm...weren't a lot of news networks there during the hurricane? Like how TWC is always there. And we all know how extreme some networks are about getting the more effective attention getting coverage...I wouldn't put it past them to send someone swimming through NO to get to the superdome for the coverage.

[Edited on September 4, 2005 at 3:19 PM. Reason : n]

[Edited on September 4, 2005 at 3:19 PM. Reason : d ]

9/4/2005 3:18:02 PM

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"Local and state officials asked a priori that National Guard troops be deployed and a curfew placed before the storm even came. "

I lived in Atlantic Beach all my life before going to school in raleigh and everytime a storm would come, no matter if it were category 1, we'd have a mandatory curfew the night before the storm. I thought that was standard practice. Did that not happen in NO?

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"and meeyoww, you're a fucking joke. if you're a Ph.D student, you're certain an expert in at least ONE field, but it sure as hell isn't politics."

I don't know, theDuke866 I've had the blessing of taking courses from our wonderful and phd'd professors in politics. I had one professor, at NC State tell me that the ONLY reason we went to war in Afghanistan was to protect Dick Cheney's oil pipeline. This was in the summer of 2002... as the war was being fought. PHD's in politics tend to be pretty clueless and blinded by ideology. So it's no wonder these people truly believe that Bush is being racist with the situation in NO.

9/4/2005 3:25:52 PM

so what you are saying is the news crews have the desire to do whatever it takes to get the story but the government does not have the desire to do whatever it takes to save those people. that is what i'm saying the problem is.

and no brian williams was not sent down into the hurricane nor were their easily damaged multi million dollar satellite trucks sent into the storm.

9/4/2005 3:27:30 PM

Maybe brian williams wasnt sent, but I remember seeing footage on some channel from inside the supredome while the hurricane was dumping rain inside of it.


And although it is a slow process, the government is doing a good job saving who they can. And I was relieved to see the happiest and most gracious guy I've ever seen on the TV thanking everyone for saving him and taking him to a mobile shower where he got to clean up. There should be more coverage of the gracious people rather than the crying hysterics that we've seen for days now.

9/4/2005 3:38:48 PM

What about those poor ppl trapped by Gary in the Atrium?

9/4/2005 3:41:24 PM

yeah thats probably worse

9/4/2005 3:44:48 PM

curfews and what not did not matter. the city was submerged. all you could do was get out of there.

9/4/2005 3:45:50 PM

^^^What?

9/4/2005 3:47:55 PM

an interesting letter copied from: http://www.nola.com/newslogs/tporleans/

An open letter to the President

Dear Mr. President:

We heard you loud and clear Friday when you visited our devastated city and the Gulf Coast and said, "What is not working, we’re going to make it right."

Please forgive us if we wait to see proof of your promise before believing you. But we have good reason for our skepticism.

Bienville built New Orleans where he built it for one main reason: It’s accessible. The city between the Mississippi River and Lake Pontchartrain was easy to reach in 1718.

How much easier it is to access in 2005 now that there are interstates and bridges, airports and helipads, cruise ships, barges, buses and diesel-powered trucks.

Despite the city’s multiple points of entry, our nation’s bureaucrats spent days after last week’s hurricane wringing their hands, lamenting the fact that they could neither rescue the city’s stranded victims nor bring them food, water and medical supplies.

Meanwhile there were journalists, including some who work for The Times-Picayune, going in and out of the city via the Crescent City Connection. On Thursday morning, that crew saw a caravan of 13 Wal-Mart tractor trailers headed into town to bring food, water and supplies to a dying city.

Television reporters were doing live reports from downtown New Orleans streets. Harry Connick Jr. brought in some aid Thursday, and his efforts were the focus of a "Today" show story Friday morning.

Yet, the people trained to protect our nation, the people whose job it is to quickly bring in aid were absent. Those who should have been deploying troops were singing a sad song about how our city was impossible to reach.

We’re angry, Mr. President, and we’ll be angry long after our beloved city and surrounding parishes have been pumped dry. Our people deserved rescuing. Many who could have been were not. That’s to the government’s shame.

Mayor Ray Nagin did the right thing Sunday when he allowed those with no other alternative to seek shelter from the storm inside the Louisiana Superdome. We still don’t know what the death toll is, but one thing is certain: Had the Superdome not been opened, the city’s death toll would have been higher. The toll may even have been exponentially higher.

It was clear to us by late morning Monday that many people inside the Superdome would not be returning home. It should have been clear to our government, Mr. President. So why weren’t they evacuated out of the city immediately? We learned seven years ago, when Hurricane Georges threatened, that the Dome isn’t suitable as a long-term shelter. So what did state and national officials think would happen to tens of thousands of people trapped inside with no air conditioning, overflowing toilets and dwindling amounts of food, water and other essentials?

State Rep. Karen Carter was right Friday when she said the city didn’t have but two urgent needs: "Buses! And gas!" Every official at the Federal Emergency Management Agency should be fired, Director Michael Brown especially.

In a nationally televised interview Thursday night, he said his agency hadn’t known until that day that thousands of storm victims were stranded at the Ernest N. Morial Convention Center. He gave another nationally televised interview the next morning and said, "We’ve provided food to the people at the Convention Center so that they’ve gotten at least one, if not two meals, every single day."

Lies don’t get more bald-faced than that, Mr. President.

Yet, when you met with Mr. Brown Friday morning, you told him, "You’re doing a heck of a job."

That’s unbelievable.

There were thousands of people at the Convention Center because the riverfront is high ground. The fact that so many people had reached there on foot is proof that rescue vehicles could have gotten there, too.

We, who are from New Orleans, are no less American than those who live on the Great Plains or along the Atlantic Seaboard. We’re no less important than those from the Pacific Northwest or Appalachia. Our people deserved to be rescued.

No expense should have been spared. No excuses should have been voiced. Especially not one as preposterous as the claim that New Orleans couldn’t be reached.

Mr. President, we sincerely hope you fulfill your promise to make our beloved communities work right once again.

When you do, we will be the first to applaud.

9/4/2005 6:36:09 PM

Why didn't all the reporters haul in crates of water and food when they rolled into town? Eh?

9/5/2005 12:44:17 AM

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"and no brian williams was not sent down into the hurricane nor were their easily damaged multi million dollar satellite trucks sent into the storm."

ummm no he was not but if you watched the news on the days leading up to the hurricane and during the hurrican you would have seen LIVE broadcast from NO. It's not like they have a seperate truck for brian williams.

9/5/2005 1:52:05 AM

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" ummm no he was not but if you watched the news on the days leading up to the hurricane and during the hurrican you would have seen LIVE broadcast from NO. It's not like they have a seperate truck for brian williams."

so the news crews had the forethought to stage equipment and people around the area and were able to freely come and go from the city. you didnt see live coverage from new orleans during the storm, you may have seen recorded footage but not live (like from the superdome). the crews probably did bring in some supplies, but not nearly enough. they do not have that ability. the only organization that has that ability is the united state government, which is supposed to be ready to handle these situations, especially when they know they know what is going to happen 2 days before it does. And if they didn't know, that is pure incompentence. You should be asking questions about the whole process, not defending the 6 days of torture these people had to go through.

9/5/2005 8:17:34 AM

by the way abonorio, what makes you so damn sure of yourself on public affairs, world policies, and the motives of politicians? you lived in some dipshit homogeneous town in NC for your entire life, as you said. what makes you so much smarter and enlightened than Phd's and others that likely have studied these things a little more than you? maybe its your high school diploma? You should be asking questions, not just accepting half ass answers of "well its too hard" or "we didn't know it was going to happen" because those answers are not acceptable. if its too hard or they didn't know, then we need to get someone in charge that can handle it. republican or democrat, it doesnt matter.


[Edited on September 5, 2005 at 8:55 AM. Reason : .]

9/5/2005 8:49:23 AM

what would you have done? send troops and supplies into the area before the hurricane hit? where would you put them and how would you guarantee their safety...

9/5/2005 12:38:54 PM

no doubt moving and feeding 50,000 people is a huge undertaking and an enourmous logistical problem, but figuring out how to do it should not start after the storm. a well laid plan should be in place, especially for something as foreseeable as this. They could have had food and troops in chicago and gotten there within a day...two at most. if FEMA doesn't have the ability to collect and move that much food on short notice, they need to come up with a network of suppliers they can contact before a storm hits and tell them to get ready to distribute food. The walmart trucks that the writer pointed out in the above article are a perfect example of this. walmart and other large grocery stores and chains have distribution centers throughout the nation and a large fleet of trucks. FEMA can reimburse them for their products and for the transportation, the same way they are chartering carnival cruise ships. buses from every city withing a days drive could have been on the move right after the storm passed. there just isnt a good excuse for the delay. this should not have caught anyone by surprise.

9/5/2005 1:26:14 PM

[Edited on September 5, 2005 at 2:50 PM. Reason : .]

9/5/2005 2:49:55 PM

even Led Zeppelin knew what was coming...

9/6/2005 8:19:30 AM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9912186/

I'm glad so many of you were such staunch supporters of FEMA and the Bush administration about Katrina and you didnt have a clue.

[Edited on November 3, 2005 at 6:16 PM. Reason : .]

11/3/2005 6:12:07 PM

i guess this thread is about why my condo in south florida wont have power until close to T'Giving and there was a jet ski blown into the front of teh building from 400 yards away?




what fucking hurricane?

11/3/2005 6:24:25 PM