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Yeah the game this weekend matching UNC's D-line vs GT's option attack should be entertaining. I have faith in Paul Johnson to exploit some kind of weakness and hopefully GT can beat the hell out of the holes.

Also somebody needs to edit or re-edit the UNC Wiki page to reflect all 18 losses they suffered yesterday.



[Edited on September 20, 2011 at 3:24 PM. Reason : 199 pages of UNCheat]

9/20/2011 3:22:01 PM

its like i change Butch's record and annotate it by saying on 9/19/2011, UNC self-imposed blah blah forfeiting wins 2008 2009 blah blah and they still revert the changes

9/20/2011 3:27:38 PM

Do the forfeited wins actually count as losses or is UNC just 0-5 instead of 8-5, for examples?

[Edited on September 20, 2011 at 3:40 PM. Reason : not that it matters...vacating wins is a joke]

9/20/2011 3:39:43 PM

0-5. Not 0-13.

9/20/2011 3:40:15 PM

Thats what I thought...so he is 12-23 all-time in the record books. FWIW

9/20/2011 3:42:14 PM

Can someone explain to me again how that punishes them in any way? I think i remember seeing that it somehow hurts them financially, or something..... but i don't recall.

9/20/2011 3:56:44 PM

It doesn't hurt them. They still get to keep the money from bowl appearances, not sure how it'd hurt them financially.

9/20/2011 4:01:13 PM

Quote :

"Can someone explain to me again how that punishes them in any way?"

officially they still haven't won a road game at UVA since 1981

for starters

9/20/2011 4:02:16 PM

well yeah.... but they did. i don't see how retroactively taking it away really punishes them

9/20/2011 4:04:44 PM

^^
I didn't think it vacated the wins from last year.

9/20/2011 4:06:35 PM

oh yea u rite

9/20/2011 4:15:16 PM

Damn how is this not getting more play

http://www.chapelboro.com/Art-Chansky-s-Notebook/9737820

Quote :

"By far, the most damaging allegation from the NCAA into the UNC football scandal is on pages 62-63 of the 111-page response by the school, released Monday. It speaks to what, so far, the university has escaped – the dreaded lack of institutional control, or at least Butch Davis’ failure not only to monitor his program but to do something about it when confronted with alleged wrongdoing. It also brings to light a story that has been in the rumor mill for two years involving former linebackers coach and beloved Tar Heel player Tommy Thigpen, who left Carolina to coach the safeties at Auburn, which won the BCS national championship the season after Thigpen arrived on the Plains. The response includes facts that support the story about Thigpen, who supposedly found out that John Blake was acting as a defacto agent for the late Gary Wichard, accepting money Blake said were “personal loans” but steering players inside and outside the UNC program toward Wichard’s agency, Pro Tech Management, before they were drafted by the NFL. Thigpen has not talked publicly while the NCAA probe went on, and continues that stance, largely because he loves his alma mater and despite his success at Auburn wants to return to Chapel Hill some day. But the story goes that Thigpen knew what Blake was up to, confronted Blake and eventually went to Davis. Thigpen was an accomplished recruiter in the Southeast and may have felt like Blake’s reputation in recruiting was trumping the hours and hard work Thigpen was putting in to help UNC land stellar recruiting classes in 2008 and 2009. So, as the story goes, Thigpen told Davis what Blake was doing and said basically, "It’s either him or me.” Davis reportedly asked Thigpen what he would do if he left UNC, and Thigpen said he had been offered a job by Auburn. Davis asked for how much money. Thigpen said more than he was earning at Carolina. Davis had a chance to jettison Blake and give Thigpen a promotion and raise. There had even been rumors that Davis was already trying to “find another job” for Blake. You can’t turn that down, Davis told Thigpen, according to sources. Thigpen resigned and moved to Auburn, where he indeed made more money and helped the Tigers beat Oregon to win the BCS championship last season. But friends of Thigpen, who was later interviewed by the NCAA, said that he left reluctantly and would have stayed in Chapel Hill with a different response from Davis. Paraphrasing pages 62 and 63 of UNC’s response reveals that Nebraska secondary coach Marvin Sanders told the NCAA on January 21, 2011, that two independent sources – Sanders’ agent Shane Meacham and an unidentified high school coach in Los Angeles – informed him that Blake had contacted Nebraska All-American defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh after the 2008 season, when Suh was contemplating entering the NFL draft as an underclassman. The implication was that Blake, who had coached at Nebraska and recruited Suh, may have been doing more than staying in touch with Suh and his family. Continuing from pages 62-63, Sanders reported the information to Nebraska head coach Bo Pelini, who instructed Sanders to contact the UNC coaching staff and tell Blake to refrain from calling Suh. Sanders also told the NCAA he had followed up with Thigpen, who Sanders learned had relayed the message to Blake. Phone records that have been published show that Blake had called Suh, Suh’s family and Wichard within the same day in 2009. This allegation is perhaps the most damning among all nine Carolina received from the NCAA, because if the Thigpen story is true it confirms Davis knew what was going on with Blake and did nothing about it until the scandal erupted in August of 2010 and Blake resigned under pressure following the opening game of the 2010 season against LSU. Davis’ defense all along was that he knew little or nothing about violations within his program – pertaining to impermissible benefits from agents and the ensuing academic scandal that broke. Despite his coach's insistence, this could have been the straw that forced Chancellor Holden Thorp to fire Davis because it was an indefensible position for the university. Put all this together with the previously untold story that Thigpen had left UNC after confronting Davis about Blake, and you can see why this brings into question the honesty and chutzpah of Carolina’s fired head coach. Thigpen is an honored and respected member of the Carolina family, a three-time All-ACC linebacker under Mack Brown and former player for the New York Giants of the NFL. If Butch Davis knew all this and retained Blake over Thigpen in light of the information he received, then Carolina football was out of control. Davis may not have, and my guess did not, inform UNC Athletic Director Dick Baddour, which is why the school may have escaped the lack of institutional control charge. But it clearly supports why Butch Davis should have been fired. And eventually was."

9/21/2011 2:03:15 PM

Big block of text, but another interesting prong in this mess. Sucks that Thigpen is a UNC dick sucker and has not talked with the NCAA.

9/21/2011 2:41:40 PM

He might as well spill da beans. No one associated with Butch will ever be hired by unc-ch.


Unless Withers wins the acc he won't be back next year.

9/21/2011 3:04:36 PM

Quote :

"11.1.2.1 Responsibility of Head Coach. It shall be the responsibility of an institution’s head coach to promote an atmosphere for compliance within the program supervised by the coach and to monitor the activities regarding compliance of all assistant coaches and other administrators involved with the program who report directly or indirectly to the coach. (Adopted: 4/28/05) --NCAA D1 Manual"

9/21/2011 3:17:59 PM

The Independent answered my question. Vacating previous wins is a punishment becuase it "insults fans' memories".

http://www.indyweek.com/triangleoffense/archives/2011/09/21/on-uncs-response-to-the-noa-and-why-vacating-wins-matters

9/21/2011 3:32:13 PM

Vacating wins is a useless punishment unless you win a championship.

9/21/2011 3:43:31 PM

nah, didn't you read? it insults the fans' memories.

9/21/2011 3:52:59 PM

^^It's not really even a useful punishment then. Sure, they maybe officially don't get to count it down the line, but you can't take away the excitement of being in the game at the time, or the euphoria and wild partying that comes with winning. If they beat the #2 team in the nation for all the beans, fans will distinctly remember that happening NCAA violations changing the books or otherwise.

And I'm sure that's more fun than never making it to your conference championship game and winning mediocre bowls for your whole life. There's probably some value in (not*) winning the national championship one year... not that I'd want it that way.

9/22/2011 10:27:07 AM

:-/

9/22/2011 10:54:49 PM

can we get a ncaa investigation up in raleigh so we can vacate this season?

9/22/2011 11:04:53 PM

There's nothing to vacate. Might give us more reason to fire TOB though

9/22/2011 11:39:18 PM

Line em' Up...

9/23/2011 8:34:46 AM

The one good thing about this thread is no matter how bad we play, even on national tv, and pissed i am stopping by this thread make me smile.

I feel like i'm going to be click on this a lot more through out the Fball and Bball season.

9/23/2011 8:53:35 AM

My wife teaches high school and usually puts a stupid bonus question at the end of her quizzes. She was telling me she usually puts something about NC State and people hate on her so I told her to put "How many wins does UNC have in football in the last 2 seasons?"

She said some UNC fan was all pissed off and asked how many basketball wins State has and that football doesn't matter.... but he still had to put zero to get the bonus

9/23/2011 10:24:14 AM

What could happen:

- NCAA doesn't add any bowl bans and only tacks on a couple extra schollies lost to UNC's self-imposed penalties

- UNC finishes with 9 wins, wins Peach Bowl, and finishes year ranked

- UNC hires pro-football AD and solid football coach

- UNC becomes a consistent top-25 program

- NC State continues to suck









- Philip Rivers tears ACL and is traded to the Seahawks

9/23/2011 10:34:11 AM

^Well I see someone traveled to the future and got a sports almanac.

9/23/2011 10:41:08 AM

^
-bet on series of games, win big
-donate $texas to NCSU football
-back on track.

[Edited on September 23, 2011 at 10:49 AM. Reason : MCFLY!]

9/23/2011 10:49:24 AM

nice comment from that indy article:

Quote :

"Oh please, "forfeiting" a prior win is like saying I didn't enjoy sleeping with your wife last night."

9/23/2011 11:46:27 AM

Quote :

"^ -bet on series of games, win big -donate $texas to NCSU football -back on track."

just imagine all the nc state shit that'll happen when you start fucking with the timeline!

9/29/2011 11:56:16 AM

^^

hahaha, i am most definitely stealing that.

9/29/2011 11:59:41 AM

So when does all this go down???

10/5/2011 8:29:36 AM

Meeting with NCAA is 10/28 or something like that...

10/5/2011 9:34:47 AM

Butch Davis not invited to COI meeting to fend for UNC.

Good or bad? I think bad. Without the coach there to soften any blows that might come down on the program, the COI is left with second hand shit from the chancellor and AD attempting to cover their ass by (probably) throwing Davis under the bus.

Also, if memory serves, Black Santa will be attending the COI meeting. So how do you think he'll respond to their attempt to smear Butch?

10/5/2011 8:27:23 PM

They'll use the "he was the problem and we took care of it defense" but I'm hoping the NCAA investigators are smart kill them for keeping him so long after the fact. I just don't want this to ever end.

10/5/2011 8:54:53 PM

After reading that The Atlantic article, I have no confidence that the NCAA will do anything substantive to UNCcheat.

10/5/2011 9:05:16 PM

This has little to nothing to do with this investigation, but do you think the NFL will start punishing coaches who have broken NCAA rules, like they did with Terrelle Pryor?

I mean if they're gonna punish kids for breaking rules that have no bearing on their professional career, they should punish coaches who get caught breaking rules, too. Right?

10/5/2011 9:51:16 PM

The Colts suspended Tressel for the first six games.

10/5/2011 9:59:17 PM

^ See Jim Tressel's experience working for the Indianapolis Colts thus far for your answer to that.

10/5/2011 10:00:09 PM

Quote :

"But many are questioning the association's power, including former UNC Chancellor James Moeser. "If I could be God, I would dismantle the NCAA. I think the time has come for federal intervention," Moeser said during an interview with WCHL radio on Thursday. "This is a train that is at some point going to run off the tracks. I don't think it is a sustainable model.""

10/7/2011 7:44:38 AM

^lol, saw that. Hmm, former UNC leader thinks the NCAA should go away... ahahaha, a little butthurt, eh?

10/7/2011 8:33:42 AM

That's a terrific statement to make a few weeks before the COI meeting.

10/7/2011 9:52:08 AM

I wish this was the first post of page 200. Check out the stands at carolina today.

http://lockerz.com/s/145453902

10/8/2011 12:59:51 PM

a floating spaceman?

10/8/2011 1:01:25 PM

Too cold?

10/8/2011 1:12:05 PM

nah, those pine trees are too intimidating

10/8/2011 2:02:59 PM

Lol butch is in the unc box at the louisville game. What a true lack of remose by the administration

10/8/2011 2:33:03 PM

i imagine the admin doesn't want him there. instead, there are some boosters out there who are giving the admin the finger by bringing butch in repeatedly.

10/8/2011 6:04:11 PM

If UNC was serious I am sure they could ban him from the stadium. Hopefully the NCAA is taking notice...

10/8/2011 6:13:18 PM

they could, but that would create an even bigger stink and media frenzy. eventually the booster will realize he's being ignored and it'll stop

10/8/2011 6:14:19 PM