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" It’s just performative bullshit"

Yeah its just to fuel the narrative that Trump is the defender of the first amendment. Even if he's wrong, anyone who likes the constitution will think "well at least he's trying to protect our rights"

[Edited on May 28, 2020 at 5:43 PM. Reason : just like he did with the church order]

[Edited on May 28, 2020 at 5:44 PM. Reason : he's using the 2nd and now the first ammendments to manufacture approval]

5/28/2020 5:42:31 PM

Agreed.

And by agreed, I mean I also think way too many people are too fucking stupid to understand the constitution, which is a shitty out-of-date rag as it is.

5/28/2020 6:15:19 PM

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"anyone who likes the constitution will think "well at least he's trying to protect our rights""

Lol

5/28/2020 7:17:36 PM

Here’s the thing... Earl isn’t dumb. Multiple times he’s proven he can lay out articulate arguments. I, often times, don’t agree.m with them... but they are legitimate arguments.

But saying any of this is grounded in constitutional law is flat out gaslighting... and he knows it. So I can only conclude he’s being a contrarian trolling shithouse.

The argument he is making is literally “You’re violating the first amendment because you called my speech a lie but didn’t censor it.”

5/28/2020 11:44:15 PM

In memory of dtownral, “you got earl’d”

5/28/2020 11:48:14 PM

Guilty as charged.

But I use Earl as a proxy of the weird extreme left/alt-right.

(See Glenn Greenwald gleefully appearing on Tucker to own the libs mere minutes after Tucker makes incredibly racist shitbag arguments)

5/28/2020 11:57:35 PM

Where is the "Libertarian" outrage about big government trying to regulate private business?

5/29/2020 12:33:59 AM

They have a blind spot when it comes to corporations

[Edited on May 29, 2020 at 12:40 AM. Reason : ]

5/29/2020 12:39:39 AM

Forget the constitution for a minute. What do you believe is right? You don't find the idea that a company thinks they have the ability to determine what is wrong and what is right on the spot and then label all posts as such? Do you really not see the political implications of that?

Try to Forget Trump for one second because life will go on after he is gone and you will need a moral compass to replace the "opposite of trump" one.

Can you not imagine a scenario where a big company might do this without the interest "truth" at heart? A world where X is true but people knowing X would threaten the company's power so any post about X is labeled as a lie. At that point there is no way for people to communicate with each other about X. Letting twitter decide what is true or false is a slippery slope to that dystopian future.

My position is that they should not be doing any type of curation of political information. Maybe they should offer education to give people better skills at deciding what to believe but flagging posts is crossing the line for me.

This is aligned with my entire philosophy of being against big business and authoritarian rule, but in favor of the power of smaller voices. You just can't see any of that because it happens to align with Trump THIS TIME and that is why I stand out on this site. I want universal mail-in voting as much as anyone. I'm just not willing to throw values out just to fight Trump (or anything else). I call that TDS and think its a bigger problem than Trump himself. People are creating a minefield hoping to trap Trump but the mines will outlive Trump.

If I want to know what the MSM thinks about someone's tweet, I should have to go to their site or handle. It shouldn't be attached to everything they say. Thats scary. Their voice is already too big without that. How would you feel if every post had a white house appointee labeling if its fact or fiction? Yeah...thats what I thought.

I also don't see how Tucker making covertly racist arguments discredits anything else he says. The whole nation is covertly racist. Its the default way to be and people like Tucker are USUALLY doing it subconsciously because they have too much privilege to realize its racist. Everyone has their own blindspots.


[Edited on May 29, 2020 at 1:07 AM. Reason : That post rwoody quoted was analysis of what conservatives think intentionally decontextualized to be what I think. Texan did the same


[Edited on May 29, 2020 at 1:13 AM. Reason : stop relying on big tech companies to fight trump. do your own heavy lifting.]]

5/29/2020 12:56:03 AM

Quote :

" Forget the constitution for a minute"

Ok. You’re fired

5/29/2020 12:59:02 AM

Its so cliche for someone to decontextualize one phrase from my post to make it look like I'm saying something different. All because they have no argument. People who have me muted will only see selective quotes and will never know the true context. This board is proof of how dangerous/controlling censorship can be.

[Edited on May 29, 2020 at 1:15 AM. Reason : leave my posts alone if you aren't going to respond. no wonder you support censored internet]]

5/29/2020 1:10:28 AM

It was only a matter of time:

5/29/2020 1:20:44 AM

^^ perhaps my argument is often take off first line and last line and maybe you have a decent post

5/29/2020 1:28:37 AM

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"Can you not imagine a scenario where a big company might do this without the interest "truth" at heart?"

Are you not even paying attention? Welcome to the 20th Century, this has been going on for decades already.

Are you opposed to fact checking in general? Do you support censoring big companies?

5/29/2020 2:29:24 AM

Factcheck on your own channel. Don't do it through someone else's channel. If they want to retweet or mention things they think are wrong, they should have every right to do so.

[Edited on May 29, 2020 at 3:14 AM. Reason : and don't bite @RDT's garbage bait. he wants to make everything all about him dont let him.]

5/29/2020 3:13:43 AM

^Twitter owns the channel to begin with.

5/29/2020 3:14:39 AM

You can't keep saying forget Trump he's the fucking president. Every tweet is a presidential statement like it or not. Presidents get fact checked, always have. Twitter doesn't have to be the host of his rallies, letting his spew horseshit unimpeded.


Also its almost comical that there is a free speech conversation about something as basic as fact checking, instead of widespread insistence that he be kicked off the platform fully and forced to resign for saying half the country is better off dead

[Edited on May 29, 2020 at 7:26 AM. Reason : E]

5/29/2020 6:58:21 AM

This is from just last year:

Quote :

"Years ago, when Media was legitimate, people known as “Fact Checkers” would always call to check and see if a story was accurate. Nowadays they don’t use “Fact Checkers” anymore, they just write whatever they want!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1192307362331119617?s=20

5/29/2020 7:51:41 AM

You think the Twitter Zoo is gonna get rid of their star attraction?

5/29/2020 8:23:50 AM

Quote :

" Twitter is doing nothing about all of the lies & propaganda being put out by China or the Radical Left Democrat Party. They have targeted Republicans, Conservatives & the President of the United States. Section 230 should be revoked by Congress. Until then, it will be regulated!"

Looking forward to him coming after TWW after his Twitter campaign.

Seriously, if the GOP had any spine left, this guy should have been forced to resign long ago.

5/29/2020 8:24:58 AM

Trump tries to put the kill-Americans tweet on the official Whitehouse account and twitter has flagged both tweets
https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1266342941649506304?s=19

5/29/2020 10:19:14 AM

And yet ultra leftists like daave still believe that Trump winning would be better for the US because of stupid accelerationist bullshit

5/29/2020 10:25:39 AM

Def a good time to try to score points against the left


Anyway, on Twitter

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"Twitter banned a guy for changing his name to Italian Elon Musk and tweeting “I send-a the calzone to space! Ohhhhhh!” surely it’s within their rules to ban Trump for threatening to murder unarmed protesters"

https://twitter.com/JimMFelton/status/1266272046759030784?s=19

5/29/2020 10:30:22 AM

^^^Words just can't describe that tweet. To me, that is basically declaring war on American citizens.

[Edited on May 29, 2020 at 10:30 AM. Reason : ^]

5/29/2020 10:30:25 AM

^^

5/29/2020 10:32:51 AM

rwoody, Trump needs to go, he is a clear threat to the nation. If you don't think leftists like daave who think another 4 years of Trump would be better than 4 years of Biden are an issue, then I don't know what to tell you

5/29/2020 10:36:32 AM

your obsession with me is embarrassing

5/29/2020 10:38:14 AM

Trump needs to go, but Biden getting elected isn't going to change the fundamental problem with law enforcement. Someone other than Trump winning in 6 months isn't going to change the source of the problems.

5/29/2020 10:39:26 AM

It isn't a problem fully solvable at the federal level, I agree. However, change coming from the top would help significantly

5/29/2020 10:43:24 AM

^^^^I'm not sure why investigating Daaaves voting intention is worth discussing right now, and I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by posting that?

Wasn't one of the the major criticisms of Bernie bros that they were too mean in pressing for their POV?

[Edited on May 29, 2020 at 10:44 AM. Reason : R]

5/29/2020 10:44:01 AM

also my entire point this whole time has been that joe biden needs to be pressed to do better, but bhehe doesn't understand this because he has no political opinions other than [whatever the democrats think at the moment]

he wrote the fucking crime bill. we can't let him just be himself.

[Edited on May 29, 2020 at 10:47 AM. Reason : .]

5/29/2020 10:46:53 AM

Yup, that's me, I agree with the Dems 100% of the time

5/29/2020 10:47:56 AM

Also maybe his stance has changed but I "post stalked" (aka used the search function for 3 minutes) and found this recent post

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"I'm not voting for Trump and I think it's likely that Biden will do enough to win me over in the end"

So your criticisms isn't even that accurate

5/29/2020 10:49:34 AM

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1266387743996870656?s=21

I mean, no one believes he understands what this means because his brain has been mush for 3 or 4 years now.

But this would be the end of social media, websites allowing any kind of comments, WikiPedia, etc. He has absolutely zero clue the damage it would do to the economy. The only way social media would survive is if the companies enacted strict rules and harshly enforced them — and even then they’d still be opened up to huge liability.

It’s just all so impossibly stupid.

https://twitter.com/taylorswift13/status/1266392274549776387?s=21

Wait... what? He’s going to lose white women by like 40.

[Edited on May 29, 2020 at 11:42 AM. Reason : X]

5/29/2020 11:38:35 AM

The tweets should be ignored because they are empty threats designed to get the exact reaction people like you give them. Then all of a sudden things are framed as "They hate trump because he wants law and order in this country". They see the mayor let the station go and think "These liberals will let chaos happen just for the sake of being PC".

Its not what I think so don't even bother making the lame argument that I'm a MAGA just because I'm telling you their playbook. I don't agree with it but thats what it is. I have plenty of people on facebook saying things like "the burning of that police station was one of the worst events in American history" and "if we let people loot target, they will start killing white people in the streets". Don't shoot the messenger.

You have to admit that there is substantial white fear in this country combined with the guilt and fragility and everytime they see looting they think they are going to be the next white person pulled out of their car and beat at florence and normandy in LA. They have so much white privilege that they honestly don't understand why people are mad and think they were just looking for a reason to unleash their savageness. LAPD called it "the jungle"

FOXNEWS and local news has conditioned them to think like this by making a story about every white person killed by a POC. Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden fed into it by talking about "superpredators".

The establishment plowed the field, planted the seeds, and irrigated the land. Trump is simply harvesting the crop.

[Edited on May 29, 2020 at 2:56 PM. Reason : don't doubt there won't be a delta in white women when a white woman isn't on the ballot]

5/29/2020 2:55:27 PM

Trump tried to invoke his supporters to come out to the Whitehouse and so far it doesn’t seem like anyone showed up

5/31/2020 12:03:20 AM

it'd be a shame if enough people showed up to take the white house

5/31/2020 12:09:12 AM

Lol does he think Antifa is an organization with training like a militia.

He’s in so over his head it’s just pathetic at this point. Just resign, man. While you can.

** and yes, this is 100% the pretext to go all in on the fascism and wield power against all protestors, especially those from leftists. Period. It’s what he’s talked about doing since 2015.

[Edited on May 31, 2020 at 12:58 PM. Reason : X]

5/31/2020 12:51:38 PM

ANTIFA is the perfect bogeyman. It's a nebulous, nefarious idea that Trumpers already hate. He's ecstatic with everything that's happening. Once again he's the "victim" and the big strong man all at once - "under attack" while living in the most heavily guarded residence in the country and sending out his military to "do what the Democrats won't do".

[Edited on May 31, 2020 at 1:23 PM. Reason : ]

5/31/2020 1:22:44 PM

I don’t think people are buying into the antifa narrative, but we’ll see...

It’s clear to everyone these protests were different than the past few years though. People are going to find their own rationalizations but I also don’t see anyone who believes trumps actions have helped de-escalate things.

5/31/2020 3:14:11 PM

i have seen way too many videos of white people dressed in black from head to toe, some of them with proper gas masks and umbrellas (also black), smashing store fronts, getting angry when confronted or just ignoring the black people pleading them to stop, and then just walking away after their smashing spree.

the Right is calling them leftists/antifa/deepstate/people bused in by soros to start a race war so trump loses.

the Left is calling them white supremacists/proud boys/russian provocateurs (if so, how would it help trump?), but so far i have not seen any of them identified and neither side has provided any evidence of their allegations/claims.

and yet others are saying they are cops... so they can blame black people for the riots and destruction in order to repress them further.

WhoTF are they? i haven't seen MSM covering them either, only right-wing/leftist/alternative sites and blogs.

are the authorities doing anything about it? if they are in multiple states, it is an organized effort, so how is the FBI not able to crack this mystery as to who they are and who has sent them?

5/31/2020 4:29:39 PM

Cops seem way out of control. This seems like it could all get way worse especially if police start listening to trump over their local leadership.

5/31/2020 10:51:58 PM

It'll get worse before it gets better. I just wonder how far things will go.

The nation is leaderless. The President is busy tweeting all-caps catchphrases, as though yelling at the sky will suddenly make the rain stop. The 25th should bave been invoked a while ago. If this is how far the government is willing to let things go, there really is no bottom floor.

6/1/2020 12:22:25 AM

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/us/politics/trump-protests-george-floyd.html

Times is reporting trumps advisors are looking for ways to deescalate but worries trump doesn’t have the capacity for empathy (my Paraphrase)

6/1/2020 12:56:14 AM

Quote :

"It's almost like the United States has no President - we are a rudderless ship heading for a major disaster. Good luck everyone!"

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/446461592029630464?lang=en

6/1/2020 1:36:26 AM

I got a chuckle from this tweet.

https://twitter.com/ThisGuyGetsLit/status/1267155007675170816

6/1/2020 9:48:25 AM

https://twitter.com/costareports/status/1267478952387411970?s=21

Things are going to get absurdly bloody and ugly quickly if he actually means what he is saying.

This is bad and he has absolutely zero understanding of anything that is going on around him. Mike Pence is flat out awful but he absolutely would at least feign concern over the causes of all of this.

6/1/2020 11:43:04 AM

^ trump would make that address publicly if his advisors werent against it

instead they "leak" it like trump doesn't want people to know he said it. The conservatives are salivating for trump to say kill all BLM protestors.

6/1/2020 12:13:03 PM

Yep. By this time tomorrow it’ll be a Republican talking point, from GOP leadership all the way down, that we need to crack more black/antifa skulls and that protestors are being handled too nicely.

You can already see it blatantly with Tom Cotton demanding “no quarter” on the TeeVee and even Phil Berger in NC issuing a statement demanding police start clearing streets.

6/1/2020 12:47:36 PM

Quote :

"Violence is essential to fanatical mass movements. “Violence breeds fanaticism….and fanaticism begets violence.”"

Have to wonder if the protesters are going to have the stomach to deal with the next level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_True_Believer

[Edited on June 1, 2020 at 1:02 PM. Reason : a]

6/1/2020 12:56:03 PM