game against marist was awesome though. papajohns.com bowl, meh.

one game a year in reynolds, against a team people might give a shit about (charlotte, south carolina, etc.) would be insane.

2/16/2010 8:50:44 PM

Quote :

"And he did have good success with Hickson, BC and BM just were little bitches, CF was inconsistent, and we didn't have anything on roster that resembled an ACC level PG... or even a SoCon level PG..."

aha
ahahahha
ahhhhhhhhhhhahahahahahha

he kills team chemistry and finishes with the worst record he has had here and people are giving him props b/c hickson was a high draft pick

what a joke

throughout this thread i've been trying my best to be rational, but i dont think i can discuss this rationally anymore.

just one final thought before i just start trolling like so many others

if these players play so poorly so often, what does that say about lowe's ability to evaluate and recruit players?? it isnt like these are all herb's players anymore, i mean horner is the only remainder from herb right?

anyway

RAH RAH FIRE LOWE RAh

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 10:13 PM. Reason : ^wait, who gives a shit about sc or charlotte? we just need to play a half decent team there]

2/16/2010 10:12:06 PM

i still contend that our next Big10 challenge game should be held at Reynolds

whether it be in 2011 or 2012

2/16/2010 10:30:39 PM

ACC/BIG TEN CHALLENGE?? AS LONG AS LOWE IS COACH, WE'VE SEEN OUR LAST ONE!!

[Edited on February 16, 2010 at 10:37 PM. Reason : (^but on the real, i'm on board)]

2/16/2010 10:37:27 PM

I emailed a few people in our athletic dept. with the idea to get the Big 10 Challenge game at Reynolds. That Annabelle Myers woman said she forwarded my email along........aka I'm never going to hear from them again. It would be a great idea though. Get a relatively big opponent on ESPN at the Old Barn. It works out well for everyone.

2/16/2010 11:39:41 PM

Quote :

"he kills team chemistry and finishes with the worst record he has had here and people are giving him props b/c hickson was a high draft pick what a joke"

lol ITT hard workers are vilified!

2/17/2010 12:10:20 AM

Quote :

"I emailed a few people in our athletic dept. with the idea to get the Big 10 Challenge game at Reynolds. That Annabelle Myers woman said she forwarded my email along........aka I'm never going to hear from them again. It would be a great idea though. Get a relatively big opponent on ESPN at the Old Barn. It works out well for everyone."

That's a really good idea. I'd email Dick Christy, associated athletics director, the same email. He'll listen to you and point you in the right direction (at least from my experiences)

2/17/2010 12:37:34 AM

theyre not going to put any games in reynolds that can draw more than its capacity

thats why all the token games we've gotten there have been against winston salem state, georgia southern, etc

2/17/2010 1:17:05 AM

you should really be emailing sesame street on ice or doughtry or something to get them to occupy RBC during that week. that's the only way it'll be in reynolds.

2/17/2010 1:42:57 AM

lolol

2/17/2010 1:58:15 AM

2/17/2010 2:11:36 AM

Quote :

"I just know we had decent success with one 5-star guy (Hickson) and I'm willing to give him a chance to actually bring in the 5-star recruits he has coming in next year. "

Lol, what? You love to point out everything people post that is wrong or against your opinion and you post that?

We finished last and a NCSU record 9-game losing streak to end the season with that 5* recruit. Hickson does not help Lowe's case with coaching ability wise at all.

2/17/2010 2:42:58 AM

Quote :

"WITH COACHING ABILITY WISE"

2/17/2010 4:58:21 AM

^^

Quote :

"i guess I was thinking of the year before, but we beat UNC, Duke, almost won the ACC tourney, won a few NIT games"

i guess it must be a moral victory to call me out on something, even though i corrected it in the next post...please try to keep up with the thread

besides, I doubt its impossible for anybody to say anything dumber in this thread than your repeated claims that coaching is 100% to blame in college and players are NEVER at fault for ANYTHING

2/17/2010 9:16:59 AM

Quote :

"if these players play so poorly so often, what does that say about lowe's ability to evaluate and recruit players?? it isnt like these are all herb's players anymore, i mean horner is the only remainder from herb right?"

hasn't this been discussed before? recruiting is often times a multi-year process. and sid had no college ties coming in. one could argue that he did a good job of grabbing a few guys and filling some glaring holes after getting into the recruiting-game very late. and he got hickson and he left. he got smith. who knows what could have happened w/ johnny thomas if he wasn't injured. and how long was degand out with an injury? last years class, well, i can't really defend them. i'm still hoping they'll be solid back-ups in the upcoming year. but this years class is pretty stout. and next year we get the back-court we desperately need. i think he's done a good job in the recruiting department.

2/17/2010 9:41:46 AM

^^All you fucking do on this site is call people out and troll.

Sorry that I won't blame college players that don't get paid. I guess next year when we still suck you guys will be blaming Ryan Harrow for not being as good as he was in high school.

2/17/2010 1:29:34 PM

Quote :

"Sorry that I won't blame college players that don't get paid."

Explain how these two things are related.

[Edited on February 17, 2010 at 1:34 PM. Reason : []

2/17/2010 1:34:12 PM

? College coaches recruit their own players and control who they have on their team. They don't get paid. What else is there to explain? Sorry if you don't like my opinion.

2/17/2010 1:35:55 PM

All you fucking do on this site is bitch and moan about our coach and say players aren't responsible for anything, ever

Besides, the players do get "paid" a free college education.

2/17/2010 1:39:05 PM

You won't place any responsibility on the players because they don't get paid

That is indescribably retarded

2/17/2010 1:40:32 PM

Quote :

"and control who they have on their team. "

I guess they also control Wood missing wide open threes

HIT THE B BUTTON SIDNEY

Y IS REBOUND

B IS SHOOT

2/17/2010 1:41:46 PM

Wow you guys are fucking dicks really?

The players might play bad and yes things happen that are their fault.

Ultimately though Lowe answers for those problems....therefore he takes the blame. Jesus fucking Christ.

Look at UNC this year, who is taking the heat for their awful season? Is it Larry Drew for not living up to his hype? No, fucking everyone is riding Roy Williams and saying he is not a good in-game coach including you fucking pro-Lowe people.

2/17/2010 1:45:32 PM

R TRIGGER

SPIN MOVE!

2/17/2010 1:46:29 PM

Nice contribution as usual Ernie.

Continue to try and be funny and make people laugh because that's what most people are doing at Sidney Lowe's team.

2/17/2010 1:47:33 PM

I've been laughing at this team since October

Like I said then, this season is going to an abortion, anyone with any expectations is kidding themselves. The guy has been behind the 8 ball since day one and has his studs coming in next year. There's nothing short of committing rape at half court that could get him fired this season. His seat is ice fucking cold, so why get so worked up about it. Go outside or something, bro.

[Edited on February 17, 2010 at 1:51 PM. Reason : Also arguing with someone who's following your line of logic is a hilarious waste of time]

2/17/2010 1:50:33 PM

boozie, you don't see how flawed your argument is? come on guy.

2/17/2010 1:50:51 PM

Quote :

"boozie, you don't see how flawed your argument is? come on guy."

Explain how please.....you have compared Roy to Sid all season saying Roy is doing less with more talent. So tell me Bullet and Ernie please if UNC has so much fucking talent, why are you and everyone else not blaming Larry Drew and Dexter Strickland?

2/17/2010 1:53:28 PM

Find the post where I absolved Drew II from not executing.

The guy is not good, I do believe I've said that aplenty.

2/17/2010 1:55:26 PM

Quote :

"The players might play bad and yes things happen that are their fault."

Wow, I think packboozie just took a big step in the right direction by FINALLY admitting this blatantly obvious sports fact

Sid can draw up plays, he can run them in practice, he can help the players improve, he can give them advice and skills to make them better basketball players. But he can't make shots for them. He can't dribble the ball up court for them. He can't play defense for them.

2/17/2010 1:57:36 PM

Quote :

"Explain how please.....you have compared Roy to Sid all season saying Roy is doing less with more talent."

No I haven't. I brought Roy into the conversation, last week I think, just to point out the flaws in your argument. I asked you to explain to me why UNC was doing so bad this season, with more talent, and if that meant Roy should be fired. I only brought Roy up to try to point out flaws in your argument to you. I wasn't comparing Roy and Sid.

2/17/2010 1:58:20 PM

I realize this thread is about Sid's struggles but consider the following:

I am in outside sales, which is currently salary+commission, but will move into straight commission starting at the beginning of July 2010. I have been in this position since July 2009. I have competition from several direct manufacturing sales reps, large distributors, and local distributors. Here are the advantages and disadvantages of each:

Direct Advantages: Immediate knowledge of new technology, no middle man mark up, one shipping bill (paid by manufacturer or buyer of goods), access to larger range of non-commodity items, control inventory, have access to many distributors that can effectively sell their goods which increases market share, and set prices of commodity they manufacture.

Direct disadvantages: Typically have 1-3 sales reps per region (i.e. southeast, mid-atlantic, northeast, etc.) limiting the number of accounts they can successfully manage/cold-call, lack physical customer service or physical technical service available to or affordable for smaller users or altogether, are sometimes not trustworthy because they will go in behind their distributors that sell their commodity to one account in large quantities (i.e. they missed a big account, and have found out about it through a distributor selling their particular product) which leads to the distributor not selling their product anymore, have too many distributors selling the product ultimately driving the set price down through deviations, possibly rely on distributors to actually sell the product, and competition from other direct sources.

Large distributor advantages: have access to other commodities that go hand in hand with other manufacturers (poor example- grocery stores sell milk as well as cereal), get direct pricing, many locations regionally or nationally easing the shipping burden of buyers with multiple locations, personal service either customer or technical, many sales reps that are able to cover a broader territory, access to multiple manufacturers of the same commodity allowing to keep prices in check, service programs that smaller companies can't offer and direct providers can't match in price or value, and experts of many many commodities as opposed to one or a few.

Large distributor disadvantages: smaller local distributors creating price wars (think Michael Scott Paper Co vs Dunder-Mifflin), direct mfg's going in behind and stealing business, limited access to all of the mfg's (you won't find Harris Teeter name brands in Food Lion and visa versa), can't truly set prices because it's based on both supply and demand, territory management, and tough growth prospects in slower economies (this is true for direct as well really)

Local distributor advantages: Typically a good ol' boy setting where the seller and the buyer know each other for years (this does happen at all levels, but mostly at the local level), local folks are right down the street and can be used in emergencies, if the local guy buys at high enough volumes then there is no shipping charge to the end user, and access to both direct mfg's and large distributors.

Local distributor disadvantages: easily beaten in price, array of commodities, array of technology, lack of trained staff, low cash flow, etc etc etc.

This is what I have noticed in my six months, I am sure there are plenty more that need mentioning. The way I am setting myself apart as a sales person is this: I go after the big accounts right now while I am new. The big accounts, if I land them, will take care of me while I am new and building a customer base. The money made off of those allows me to focus free time on smaller accounts that get me higher margins. I build up big accounts, I would like to have 5-10 of these, then get 20-30 medium accounts. If I lose 1 or 2 big accounts, the 20-30 medium accounts keep me afloat while I go after new big accounts. I don't really waste time on small accounts simply because they basically pay for breakfast or something really small.

I will say this, if you can't get a big account in the first 6-8 months (assuming you have cash flow that you can ride this long) you could be in a world of trouble. If you can get one, it will really make going after the others a lot more enjoyable and less stressful. It's simply just very exhausting wasting any time on anything other than big accounts in the very beginning. You work just as hard on the medium sized accounts and see 1/3 to 1/36 of the money in my situation.

If you have any other questions, you can PM me. I hope this helps in the slightest!

2/17/2010 4:12:51 PM

i wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

2/17/2010 4:36:17 PM

^^thank you for clearing that up for me!

[Edited on February 17, 2010 at 4:38 PM. Reason : ]

2/17/2010 4:37:55 PM

^^^pm sent

2/17/2010 4:43:42 PM

^^^^ Do you bring a boombox that plays loud rap songs with you on your sales calls?...because I think that could get things really crazy.






*I make this post in honor of Tommy Burleson, David Thompson, Monte Towe, and the rest of the '74 National Champs.



[Edited on February 17, 2010 at 4:51 PM. Reason : *]

2/17/2010 4:50:02 PM

^those names have no place in a credbility thread

2/17/2010 4:58:34 PM

Quote :

"Look at UNC this year, who is taking the heat for their awful season? Is it Larry Drew for not living up to his hype? No, fucking everyone is riding Roy Williams and saying he is not a good in-game coach including you fucking pro-Lowe people."

Posted: Today 7:47 AM
The problem is....
Larry Drew. He's the QT of his era.


Posted: Today 7:55 AM
RE: The problem is....
For the record I agree...but I don't see this ending well....


Posted: Today 8:10 AM
Re: The problem is....
Just remember: we have no point guard. Period.


Posted: Today 8:18 AM
Re: The problem is....
He's definitely not playing well but he's not one of the guys who quit on his team last night.
Reply | Quote

Posted: Today 8:19 AM
Re: The problem is....
It's just not that simple, I know people want it to be but it's not.

Drew had a bad game no doubt but he's clearly not alone. The problems of this team go well beyond one player.


Posted: Today 8:28 AM
Re: The problem is....
ANYBODY that thinks that Drew is a good PG or can be a good PG knows NOTHING about the game of basketball.


Posted: Today 8:32 AM
Re: The problem is....
Good passer?!? I have missed something.



Posted: Today 8:37 AM
Re: The problem is....


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--- trueblue03 wrote:

Good passer?!? I have missed something.

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Seriously. How anyone can call Drew a "good" passer is beyond comprehension. He is a lousy passer. His passes are either 1) too fast i.e. bullets that the other guy can't catch 2) misconceived and out of the offensive flow i.e. one the receiver isn't ready for or 3) lazy bounce passes that are easily contested by a defender and don't put the receiver in rythmn offensively.
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Posted: Today 8:39 AM
RE: The problem is....
.....not just one thing with this team!!

While LDII is not a dominating PG he isn't the only problem on this team!!


Posted: Today 8:41 AM
Re: The problem is....
this squad has all kinds of holes...1st they don't create any turnovers yeah GT had 20 last night but those was unforced, that's were our scoring came from in the past fastbreak pts...we don't have any this year...2nd Defense cannot stay in front of people...3rd shooting the bball is bad you can collapse all day long on the bigs no threat from deep...4th passing n playing smart...5th I don't see a leader on this team right now...6th we are young, but other teams are playing freshman too, no excuse to be 14-12.


Posted: Today 8:49 AM
Re: The problem is....
Drew definitely makes a lot of mistakes, but that doesn't erase the good passes he makes. The fact is that he is leading the league in assists, despite playing with guys who struggle to catch passes, hit open J's, and finish around the rim. That, plus what I have seen on the court, indicates that the kid can play.

IMO a number of his "bad" passes would be great passes if his teammates were actually making the right cuts and doing it quickly. That doesn't excuse LD, as he should know not to force something that isn't there, but it isn't all on him either.


Posted: Today 8:56 AM
Re: The problem is....
With Drew it isn't just the turnovers but the decision making in general. Multiple times I have seen him go for the pull up jumper in transition only to airball the shot. Not only do these shots kill any possible runs but also are pretty deflating to see happen.


Posted: Today 9:04 AM
Re: The problem is....
I don't think LD2 is the problem. Can he push the ball up the court as fast as Lawson did, no. The major problem are the big guys on the team. They are playing way too soft and turn the ball over more than anyone else on the team.


Posted: Today 9:29 AM
Re: The problem is....
I will admit that it is not entirely his fault. I've never seen a team with so many players that had stone hands. They play like there's helium in the darn ball. Bad hands and WEAK WEAK WEAK grip. I could slap the ball away from Deon.






Total elapsed time to find those quotes from IC= about a minute. There's about a thousand more.

2/17/2010 5:45:55 PM

we're gonna lose by 15 tonight and Sid will still be an awful coach

2/17/2010 5:58:41 PM

Quote :

"he can help the players improve"

My biggest gripe about Lowe is he does not do this. Most players seem to regress as the season goes on (except for Smith). See Javi, Wood, Horner, Mays, CJ, Degand, Vandenberg, Howell, Painter. Did I miss anyone? Basically the whole team except Smith.

2/17/2010 6:30:56 PM

Did you think that maybe it's because the competition improves as the season goes along? Just because a player can look competent against Georgia State doesn't mean he'll fair well in the ACC

2/17/2010 6:35:24 PM

How has Painter regressed? or Howell? or Vandenburg?


[Edited on February 17, 2010 at 6:47 PM. Reason : .]

2/17/2010 6:46:28 PM

Yeah, I really haven't seen that either. I wouldn't say Wood has "regressed". Wood got hot a few games, but he's a freshman playing a lot of mins. Davis has improved. Painter has played better as of late with very limited mins. Howell has come on as the season has progressed. Vandenburg hasn't played enough to regress.

And while javi has "regressed" as the season has gone along, i guess, but he and mays have improved from season to season. Same with Horner.

2/17/2010 7:08:16 PM

i think a little too much is being asked of scott wood right now. i also think he is putting too much pressure on himself. all of them seem to need a blowjob or something ... always tense

2/17/2010 7:12:50 PM

Hopefully the rest of the team will recommend your services, gunzz

(oh snap)

2/17/2010 7:13:54 PM

Lowe has ties with Minnesota right? Smoot Boat Scandal

2/17/2010 7:18:35 PM

oh, we back.

2/17/2010 10:47:47 PM

Sidney coached us up by 10 in the first half. The players sucked us to a loss in the 2nd.

amirite?

2/17/2010 10:54:36 PM

STILL

NOT

VERY

CREDIBLE.

2/17/2010 11:07:57 PM

after watching this i dont understand how ryan harrow doesnt understand our feelings about THIS year

2/17/2010 11:14:16 PM

I can't believe that watching the product that we put on the floor every night doesn't make him want to back out of his commitment.

Won't these recruits be better off in the long run if they don't come here and suffer a dismal college career? We'd be doing them a favor by firing Sid and sending them elsewhere.

2/17/2010 11:25:53 PM