hahaha speedy is so subjective it seems.

anyway here...i don't really know the specifics about what would happen to people if there was a moratorium and then nc overturned the dp (that isn't really likely to happen though). as i understand it, a moratorium doesn't prevent people from being sentenced to death. but you can go to the NCGA website and read up on the bills or here is the moratorium website but obvi that is a little bias http://www.ncmoratorium.org/site/default.asp

3/12/2008 7:37:46 PM

federal system moves fast... everything else--not so much

3/12/2008 7:44:39 PM

yeah, i've noticed that. but ive also noticed that they do waste time between the conviction and sentencing phases. whats up with that? its like... "you're guilty, come back in 6 months to find out if you're going to prison"

hahaha it seems like they do it just to fuck with you. in NC they do it immediately, or like the next day or whatever.

3/12/2008 7:46:44 PM

Quote :

"they do waste time between the conviction and sentencing phases."

mainly because of the parole officer people being a huge part of the sentencing process. they do very long and detailed reports in an essay style for every person before they are sentenced. unlike the state system, in the federal the parole officer's opinion really matters. the pleading guilty part doesn't take that long but writing papers on every single person to advise of everything about a persons life before they're sentenced does. and while they're doing that, they're also doing the normal checks on ppl/drug tests/etc that the state level PO's do.

3/12/2008 8:13:17 PM

Atwater left, Lovette right

ATWATER, DEMARIO 0878016 MALE 06/13/1986 BLACK ACTIVE N/A

CONCURRENT TO SENTENCE NUMBER 01-001 06051706
Commitment Type: PROBATION/PAROLE
Conviction Date: 06/28/2007 County of Conviction: GRANVILLE
Punishment Type: INTERMEDIATE SS
Sentence Type 1: PROBATION
Sentence Type 2: SUSPENDED SENTENCE
Sentence Type 3: DEPT OF CORR DIV OF PRISONS
Supervision Term: 24 MONTHS
POSSESSION OF FIREARM BY FELON (PRINCIPAL) 06/15/2006 FELON CLASS G

Commitment Type: PROBATION/PAROLE
Conviction Date: 02/16/2005 County of Conviction: WAKE
Punishment Type: INTERMEDIATE SS
Sentence Type 1: PROBATION
Sentence Type 2: SUSPENDED SENTENCE
Sentence Type 3: DEPT OF CORR DIV OF PRISONS
Supervision Term: 36 MONTHS

INITIAL 04004560 MISD B&E (PRINCIPAL) 01/25/2005 FELON CLASS H

Commitment Type: PROBATION/PAROLE
Conviction Date: 01/16/2008 County of Conviction: DURHAM
Punishment Type: COMMUNITY SS (DCC)
Sentence Type 1: PROBATION
Sentence Type 2: SUSPENDED SENTENCE
Sentence Type 3: COUNTY JAIL
Supervision Term: 24 MONTHS
Commitment Docket# Offense (Qualifier) Offense Date Type Sentencing Penalty Class Code
CONCURRENT TO SENTENCE NUMBER 01-001 07054500 LARCENY (PRINCIPAL) 11/07/2007 MISD. CLASS 1 MISDEMEANOR SS

LOVETTE, LAWRENCE 1057218 MALE 11/17/1990 BLACK ACTIVE N/A

Supervision Record for Sentence Number: 01-001
Commitment Type: PROBATION/PAROLE
Conviction Date: 01/16/2008 County of Conviction: DURHAM
Punishment Type: COMMUNITY SS (DCC)
Sentence Type 1: PROBATION
Sentence Type 2: SUSPENDED SENTENCE
Sentence Type 3: COUNTY JAIL
Supervision Term: 24 MONTHS
Commitment Docket# Offense (Qualifier) Offense Date Type Sentencing Penalty Class Code
INITIAL 07054500 MISD B&E (PRINCIPAL) 11/07/2007 MISD. CLASS 1 MISDEMEANOR SS

Commitment Type: PROBATION/PAROLE
Conviction Date: 01/16/2008 County of Conviction: DURHAM
Punishment Type: COMMUNITY SS (DCC)
Sentence Type 1: PROBATION
Sentence Type 2: SUSPENDED SENTENCE
Sentence Type 3: COUNTY JAIL
Supervision Term: 24 MONTHS
Commitment Docket# Offense (Qualifier) Offense Date Type Sentencing Penalty Class Code
CONCURRENT TO SENTENCE NUMBER 01-001 07054500 LARCENY (PRINCIPAL) 11/07/2007 MISD. CLASS 1 MISDEMEANOR SS

[Edited on March 12, 2008 at 8:26 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2008 8:21:10 PM

that guy's rap sheep was posted a few pages back, before this gay law shit

it was at least 3 posts long

3/12/2008 8:23:18 PM

NC does not have parole anymore because of structured sentencing. The only parole now is for people sentenced before this went onto effect.

3/12/2008 8:23:44 PM

it's on page 11 and it's 3 full posts

3/12/2008 8:24:27 PM

oh, in case you people dont believe me about no parole in NC, here is what NC structured sentencing is

http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/data/district12/NCCourts/StructuredSentencing.html

[Edited on March 12, 2008 at 8:29 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2008 8:28:32 PM

just saw the thing on pg. 11

NC offender database doesnt tell shit.... jeez

who are these Imperium Intelligence people? where do they get all this?

3/12/2008 8:30:44 PM

^^same thing for federal.. well, kind of

3/12/2008 8:31:48 PM

misdemeanor B&E and larceny aren't murder. i'd like to point that out again. neither is owning a gun. even if youre a convicted felon.

thats really not a bad rap sheet at all. no history of violence at all, from whats shown there

also its weird that that misdemeanor b&e is a class H felony. it must be some law about multiple misdemeanors of b&e raising it to a low felony

3/12/2008 8:33:26 PM

Quote :

"NC offender database doesnt tell shit.... jeez"

nc database does tell shit. it shows all the CONVICTIONS that resulted in either probation or prison. in other words, if its not on there, its not worth mentioning.

3/12/2008 8:36:36 PM

Quote :

"ATWATER, DEMARIO 0878016 MALE 06/13/1986 BLACK ACTIVE N/A CONCURRENT TO SENTENCE NUMBER 01-001 06051706 Commitment Type: PROBATION/PAROLE Conviction Date: 06/28/2007 County of Conviction: GRANVILLE Punishment Type: INTERMEDIATE SS Sentence Type 1: PROBATION Sentence Type 2: SUSPENDED SENTENCE Sentence Type 3: DEPT OF CORR DIV OF PRISONS Supervision Term: 24 MONTHS POSSESSION OF FIREARM BY FELON (PRINCIPAL) 06/15/2006 FELON CLASS G Commitment Type: PROBATION/PAROLE Conviction Date: 02/16/2005 County of Conviction: WAKE Punishment Type: INTERMEDIATE SS Sentence Type 1: PROBATION Sentence Type 2: SUSPENDED SENTENCE Sentence Type 3: DEPT OF CORR DIV OF PRISONS Supervision Term: 36 MONTHS INITIAL 04004560 MISD B&E (PRINCIPAL) 01/25/2005 FELON CLASS H Commitment Type: PROBATION/PAROLE Conviction Date: 01/16/2008 County of Conviction: DURHAM Punishment Type: COMMUNITY SS (DCC) Sentence Type 1: PROBATION Sentence Type 2: SUSPENDED SENTENCE Sentence Type 3: COUNTY JAIL Supervision Term: 24 MONTHS Commitment Docket# Offense (Qualifier) Offense Date Type Sentencing Penalty Class Code CONCURRENT TO SENTENCE NUMBER 01-001 07054500 LARCENY (PRINCIPAL) 11/07/2007 MISD. CLASS 1 MISDEMEANOR SS"

n/m...I'm not reading something right.

[Edited on March 12, 2008 at 8:41 PM. Reason : l]

3/12/2008 8:39:41 PM

Quote :

"INITIAL 04004560 MISD B&E (PRINCIPAL) 01/25/2005 FELON CLASS H"

right here is the previous felony. either theres some rule about repeat B&E offenders that makes it a felony to keep doing it

OR its possible that there are other charges with that case number and one is a felony. but.... i think they always list the worst crime as the principal.

for example, my latest entry in the doc site was for 4 misdemeanors (3 counts of the same one, and one count of another), it only shows the worst one, but i plead guilty to 4 and was punished for them concurrently

3/12/2008 8:43:03 PM

Yeah, I originally read that as just Misdemeanor B&E. Not sure why it became a felony.

3/12/2008 8:44:07 PM

i guess theres some rule that makes it worse if youre a repeat offender. like 3 strikes on a misdemeanor gets charged as a felony or something. never seen a specific law though

3/12/2008 8:45:17 PM

fine.

[Edited on March 12, 2008 at 9:03 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2008 8:59:56 PM

i've read through a lot of this but not sure if this has been said...

if either of them go to trial will it be held in chapel hill? or even in nc? since it was so public and everyone would know and more in likely have an opinion on the mater?

me personally... hang em, fry em, shoot em, hell as long as they are gone for good I dont care how you get rid of the trash

3/12/2008 9:55:16 PM

it wasn't really a huge deal

maybe around the triangle for some dumb reason

but it's not like they killed somebody who was already famous or some shit

3/12/2008 10:01:05 PM

how many people do you think in chapel hill or the triangle don't have an opinion on it? not that i want it to be any easier for murders but isn't it apart of a fair trial for a case to be moved if its something that has been played out in the media or widely known about?

3/12/2008 10:32:06 PM

yeah

but this is small potatoes

I mean you have a bunch of students with sticks up their asses about it

but that's probably it

3/12/2008 10:33:00 PM

This is getting the hype

because she was related to Kit.

3/12/2008 10:43:16 PM

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2568641/
They got the 2nd guy.

3/13/2008 6:30:29 AM

i wish nc had a firing line for these bastards. they at least better get fried.

3/13/2008 6:36:36 AM

they totally would have failed at the first 48

i wonder if they'll continue to investigate now that they've made arrests. and i wonder how much evidence they have. seems like they'd talk more if they had anything now that they have their guys.

i also wonder what probable cause they had. cause i guess an ATM card and all that would be probable cause, but its nowhere near enough to convict.

maybe they're just banking on a redneck jury.

3/13/2008 6:40:07 AM

i'm sure they have more than you think

3/13/2008 6:50:19 AM

hahaha

how is it that you're SURE... and that i'm merely speculating?

i mean i know im just talking without information and that there's no way to know for sure either way. but do you know that?

!!1

3/13/2008 7:01:24 AM

We know you're trying to antagonize all the people who want to lynch these two young men before a trial, but it is reasonable to assume they have more information on the case than they have made public. I highly doubt the case is going to be "check out these two surveillance pictures. Yep, thats the two guys who killed her."

3/13/2008 7:52:48 AM

breaking news:

A teen arrested in the death of a UNC student is also charged in connection with the death of a Duke graduate student.

per WRAL.com main page


hahah oh man hes going to fry.

[Edited on March 13, 2008 at 8:02 AM. Reason : dd]

3/13/2008 8:01:52 AM

The little fucker has been charged in two deaths? One the SBP and one a grad student.

3/13/2008 8:05:41 AM

IBTJackleg saying he isn't guilty of anything yet

3/13/2008 8:08:50 AM

Quote :

"A teen arrested in the death of a UNC student has also been charged in connection with the January death of a Duke graduate student. Lawrence Alvin Lovette Jr., 17, was arrested Thursday morning and charged with murder in the death of UNC student Eve Carson. Durham police have also charged him in connection with the January death of Duke University graduate student Abhijit Mahato, 29, a Ph.D. engineering candidate from India."

3/13/2008 8:09:13 AM

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2326688/

3/13/2008 8:09:39 AM

H O L Y S H I T

i vote for tarred, feathered, drawn, and quartered

[Edited on March 13, 2008 at 8:31 AM. Reason : ]

3/13/2008 8:31:08 AM

shoot both of those stupid bitches in the face...

worthless pieces of shit

3/13/2008 8:33:25 AM

tarheeled and feathered

3/13/2008 8:34:36 AM

with this coming to light so soon afterhis arrest, it makes you think a confession has been made

3/13/2008 8:38:56 AM

i'd be interested in seeing whether its a confession or some other evidence they have.

3/13/2008 8:39:21 AM

Caroline Mason got to him!

3/13/2008 8:45:10 AM

shoot both of those stupid bitches in the face...

worthless pieces of shit

3/13/2008 9:07:02 AM

So can you give the death penalty to a 17 yr old?

3/13/2008 9:50:54 AM

couldnt they if they try him as an adult?

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3/13/2008 9:51:22 AM

I commend the chapel hill police department on this investigation. Very pro. Got it done and handled. The rest is up to the court system.

3/13/2008 9:52:14 AM

pft...I think they should be tied to a chair unarmed and the family of the victim should get 1/2 hour alone with them with baseballl bats.

3/13/2008 9:53:01 AM

I believe people should be executed in the manner that they killed their victims... the family should be allowed to carry out the punishment if they so desire.

3/13/2008 9:54:05 AM

Quote :

"So can you give the death penalty to a 17 yr old?"

yep.

3/13/2008 9:54:08 AM

you know who else gave out the death penalty?


guy named hitler and saddam hussein

3/13/2008 9:55:11 AM

^ yeah with a slight difference in that they gave the death penalty to people who were completely innocent

3/13/2008 9:59:58 AM

oh right...=/

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3/13/2008 10:00:40 AM