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12/11/2007 1:41:07 PM

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12/11/2007 1:45:17 PM

why did he have to go down during what probably would have been his best season to date?

he was on pace to be in that top group of elite QB's this year.



What's the success rate (in terms of coming back to pro sports) for tommy johns surgery? I heard that only a handful of QB's have even had it.

12/11/2007 1:56:49 PM

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"he was on pace to be in that top group of elite QB's this year."

lol

12/11/2007 1:57:53 PM

3 games:

8 td's

1 int


projected over 16 games:

42 td's

6 int's


You can say he wouldn't have kept it up, but you can deny the fact that he was on that pace.

12/11/2007 2:03:11 PM

Fuck 3 games, you can take a 3 game sample from any QB in the league and he looks great

Jake is never going to be a great QB in this league

But he is so much better than the alternative for this team that I'd say only about half a dozen teams would fall further than we did if their starting QB went out

Obviously Indy, New England and Dallas...then probably New Orleans and Jacksonville and Cincinatti.

The rest of the great QB's have decent backups so they wouldn't fall as hard.

Batch, Wallace, Feeley, Collins, Volek, Quinn...we thought Carr would be that guy for us.

12/11/2007 2:11:55 PM

yeah he might not've been in the Brady/Manning/Romo/Favre group but he's consistently been a top 10 QB, even if it was 10th place

12/11/2007 2:12:09 PM

I would take these QB's over Jake any day of the week

Brady
Manning
ROFL
Romo
Palmer
Hasselbeck
Brees
Favre

I put Jake in the next group with guys like Anderson, Garrard, Eli, and McNabb

12/11/2007 2:15:58 PM

its always easy for people to forget what Jake's done

for example, he's done infinitely more than Eli, Garrard, Anderson, etc

12/11/2007 2:17:15 PM

Yeah he's done more good things but a lot more bad things too

Give me the choice of Jake, Garrard or Anderson for 1 season and I'd have to think long and hard about it

I'd probably pick Garrard, then Jake, then Anderson

12/11/2007 2:20:38 PM

Trade Foster and Deangelo for Taylor and MJD and I'd take Jake all day

12/11/2007 2:22:34 PM

Jake would have more TDs but more picks too

Garrard makes very few mistakes

Plus he make things happen with his legs

Jake is a fucking statue

12/11/2007 2:24:18 PM

Garrard makes very few mistakes and very few throws as well

That team is built around defense and running the ball like Fox WISHES the Panthers were

I'm well aware of what both Garrard and Anderson have done this season, but I can't jump on their bandwagons when they've each started what, 12-15 games in their entire careers?

It would be pretty funny if Cleveland trades Anderson just since Quinn is the future and completely fucks up the Brownies after one good year

12/11/2007 2:26:53 PM

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"You can say he wouldn't have kept it up, but you can deny the fact that he was on that pace."

Those teams are a combined 12-27 on the year.

12/11/2007 2:28:51 PM

details like that have zero to do with the meaning of "on pace"

12/11/2007 2:30:04 PM

imo, his importance to our team was as much leadership as it was his level of play.....from day one he brought a sense of confidence that we just don't have now.

on any given sunday when he was playing, imo we had a good chance to win.....now I consider it a moral victory if we give the other team a competitive game.

I'm not saying that he is one of the top 5 QB's in the league, but he was very important to the team, and off to by far the best start in his career, not to mention one of the best starts in the league....we'd be in the hunt for the division if he hadn't gotten hurt.

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"That team is built around defense and running the ball like Fox WISHES the Panthers were"

coincidence that it was pretty much downhill after del rio left?

[Edited on December 11, 2007 at 2:36 PM. Reason : .]

12/11/2007 2:34:19 PM

Well to be fair to Garrard, he did lead the Jags to I think a 4-1 record when Leftwich was out 2 years ago

But his body of work is much smaller than Jakes

For a John Fox-style offense though, Garrard is a much better fit

12/11/2007 2:34:50 PM

Garrard does look very good....he makes the very same receivers look great that leftwich made look like JV players. You can see he just get's it out there.

12/11/2007 2:37:40 PM

I like Garrard but again its tough to compare different style QBs although I'd agree Jake and Garrard are in the same "group"

I just wish all the Jake haters who are like "well Jake is no Tom Brady or Peyton Manning" would realize there is only 1 Tom Brady and only 1 Peyton Manning in the whole world and 30 teams in the NFL do not have Tom Brady's or Peyton Mannings

12/11/2007 2:37:51 PM

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"It would be pretty funny if Cleveland trades Anderson just since Quinn is the future and completely fucks up the Brownies after one good year "

I was hoping for that to happen and the panthers to make a run at him.

12/11/2007 2:40:59 PM

They've already hinted that they plan to trade Anderson. I think they're going to sign him and then try and trade him, they're pretty set on sticking it out with Quinn. I think they would be better to try and trade Quinn, but they might be able to get something decent out of Anderson, he really has had a solid season.

12/11/2007 2:52:40 PM

I'd like to see the panthers make an offer....wonder what the browns would be looking for in return?

12/11/2007 3:25:11 PM

they would probably want a first round pick, since they traded theirs away last year.

12/11/2007 3:29:36 PM

The browns are going to put the highest tender on him (restricted free agent), and so any team that signs him to an offer sheet that the Browns don't match will give up a 1st and 3rd round pick.

12/11/2007 3:31:27 PM

^do the picks have to be for the '08 draft or is there discretion?

12/11/2007 3:41:28 PM

not sure if this has been mentioned, but it's pretty funny...

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"With three games to play, the only drama that remains for the Carolina Panthers is whether John Fox will return as coach in 2008. Because former Pittsburgh coach Bill Cowher lives in Raleigh, his name continually is invoked."

http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/30072

12/12/2007 7:51:33 AM

I never got the impression that fox was a bad game coach.

[Edited on December 12, 2007 at 7:02 PM. Reason : Also, fox replaces norv turner!]

12/12/2007 6:59:49 PM

fox would love to go to SD....however I want him to stay. cowher would be fun tho!

12/13/2007 2:05:02 AM

i feel bad for all the fans in this thread

12/13/2007 2:07:21 AM

we feel bad for ourselves, too

12/13/2007 6:23:37 AM

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"You can say he wouldn't have kept it up, but you can deny the fact that he was on that pace"

Haha, I know you meant can't deny, but the statement as it is made me lol.

12/13/2007 9:09:34 AM

honestly i want to clean house and keep very few players/coaches

12/13/2007 5:08:34 PM

cleaning house takes awhile though...can our fans withstand actual rebuilding seasons? probably...i mean the outlook in panthers nation is completely pessimistic right now...the outlook was like that for State football and bball when we still had Herb and Chuck...then we rebuilt, and while we arent as good right now as we were with Herb and Chuck, the outlook is more optimistic and we're not expecting to win X number of games every year

i just want to draft Darren McFadden

12/13/2007 5:15:02 PM