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"how do those phoney tapes prove that jews...through the US government...made 9/11 happen??? "

You can't look at any one piece of evidence or information, and then expect to see the whole picture. You have to look at all the evidence in totality.

After examining all the evidence and information related to the 9/11 attacks, it becomes clear that it was yet another Zionist-orchestrated "false flag" operation...carried out and covered up with the cooperation of high-level U.S. Government officials. And further covered up by the Zionist-controlled mainstream media.

4/19/2006 12:25:32 PM

great....so there is no conclusive evidence....no memo's...no videotapes of jews talking with bush about it...no nothing....

i have SEEN all the evidence. where? in this dang thread. you have posted everything. there is NO WAY that all the stuff you have posted leaves one to believe that this had anything to do with jews or knights templar or the illuminati or anything else

i asked you to show me conclusive proof and all you show me was another past (one that you have done 1000 times) about fake bin ladin tapes

pretty weak...

4/19/2006 12:28:18 PM

they need to suspend one of your names

4/19/2006 12:52:12 PM

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"they need to suspend one of your names"

The "overthrower" here on tww is NOT me, as most anyone can see. And theDuke866 knows it too.


ZACARIAS MOUSSAOUI FRAMED BY IMPERSONATOR; MAN IMPERSONATING MOUSSAOUI ALSO AN INEPT PILOT


http://web.archive.org/web/20011230093031/http://www.startribune.com/stories/1576/913687.html

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"Eagan flight trainer wouldn't let unease about Moussaoui rest Greg Gordon Star Tribune Dec 21 2001 [...] The still-unidentified flight instructor became wary of Moussaoui immediately, according to Minnesota Rep. Jim Oberstar and others with direct knowledge of the briefings. Moussaoui first raised eyebrows when, during a simple introductory exchange, he said he was from France, but then didn't seem to understand when the instructor spoke French to him. Moussaoui then became belligerent and evasive about his background, Oberstar and other sources said. In addition, he seemed inept in basic flying procedures, while seeking expensive training on an advanced commercial jet simulator. [...] Oberstar said the flight instructor, a retired military pilot, grew suspicious after he began speaking French to Moussaoui. Oberstar said Moussaoui seemed not to understand, said he wasn't fluent in French, didn't live in France long and added: "I'm from the Middle East." The instructor found it odd that Moussaoui said he was from the Middle East, rather than identifying a country, Oberstar said. When the instructor inquired further, Moussaoui grew belligerent, several sources said. It was not clear whether Moussaoui, who was born in France and attended French schools as a youth, did not understand French or merely chose not to speak it. Over the next three days, Moussaoui seemed to his instructor to be uncoordinated and showed little ability to follow the lessons, several sources said. The instructor "tried to tell him he was wasting his money," one source said, but Moussaoui persisted."

The real Moussaoui was born in France in 1968, and speaks fluent French (that being his primary language). Yet, this Moussaoui impersonator didn't understand French, and even claimed he wasn't fluent in French. RED FLAG. The impersonator then claimed he was "from the Middle East" and "didn't live in France long." ANOTHER RED FLAG. The real Moussaoui was born in (and "from") France (not the "Middle East") and lived in France his entire childhood.

Oh, and this impersonator was "inept" at even "basic" flying procedures (just like the other supposed "hijacker pilots"--eg, Hani Hanjour--who were also poor pilots). But we are to believe that these jokers really flew hijacked planes into the WTC and Pentagon?


The Framing of Zacarias Moussaoui
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/zmanomaly.html


[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 1:12 PM. Reason : ``````````]

4/19/2006 12:59:02 PM

The article never says that Moussaoui is fluent in french or that french is his primary language.

It only says:

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"Oberstar said Moussaoui seemed not to understand, said he wasn't fluent in French, didn't live in France long and added: "I'm from the Middle East." ... It was not clear whether Moussaoui, who was born in France and attended French schools as a youth, did not understand French or merely chose not to speak it."

This is the same man who has been diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic in the past week.

4/19/2006 1:12:34 PM

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"The article never says that Moussaoui is fluent in french or that french is his primary language."

Fine. Since you persist in denying the obvious, you've forced me to bring out even more evidence. This is good.


http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/12/27/inv.moussaoui.mother/

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"Mother of terror suspect arrives in U.S. December 27, 2001 By Cleve Mesidor CNN [...] Moussaoui's mother, Aicha El Wafi, flew from Paris, France, to Dulles International Airport near Washington and was staying at a hotel in the suburb of Alexandria. She and the attorney spoke to reporters at an impromptu news conference at the airport. [...] El Wafi, who spoke French at the news conference, said she was concerned that her son does not speak any English and cannot understand the charges against him. She questioned whether he could get a fair trial in the United States and preferred that he be tried in France. "I think it's better because he's French, he was born in France, he speaks in French, he was educated in France. I prefer he get his legal papers in French so he can understand why he's being accused," El Wafi said."

Do you still want to deny this fact, Mr. Joshua?


[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 1:20 PM. Reason : ``````````]

4/19/2006 1:17:54 PM

ok salis...im still looking for the proof...

is the man on TV now moussaui or not?? please tell me that?? does "the real" ones mother think that its him on TV? or is the wrong man on trial now?? and an even better question...what does this have to do with zionist pigs planning 9/11??

the fact that he didnt speak french to an airplane instructor proves nothing...

do you still want to contend that 9/11 was an inside job?? we have proven that it wasnt time and time again...

4/19/2006 1:23:00 PM

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"ok salis...im still looking for the proof..."

I highly doubt it. You're not interested in knowing the truth. You're only interested in supporting the "official" conspiracy theory NO MATTER WHAT. You're just desperately rambling on and denying the obvious.

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"is the man on TV now moussaui or not?? please tell me that?? does "the real" ones mother think that its him on TV? or is the wrong man on trial now??"

The man on trial now most likely is the real Moussaoui.

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"the fact that he didnt speak french to an airplane instructor proves nothing..."

It shows that the man at that flight school was NOT the real Zacarias Moussaoui.

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"do you still want to contend that 9/11 was an inside job?? we have proven that it wasnt time and time again..."

LOL. You are a joke, dude.

The "official" story is absolutely bogus. The information and evidence I'm providing is shredding the "official" story to pieces.

You and the other supporters of the "official" fairy tale have provided VIRTUALLY NO EVIDENCE even supporting the "official" story. All you've done is spam and troll the thread, call me names, and issue repeated denials. So how can you say you have "proven" the official story? That's laughable.

4/19/2006 1:44:13 PM

I wasn't denying anything. I pointed out that you were making conclusions not supported by the article. Once again, you become hostile when anyone questions you.

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"her son does not speak any English and cannot understand the charges against him."

So you want us to believe that he can't speak english yet he holds a master's degree in international business from South Bank University in London. Do they teach class in french or farsi there?

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"The man on trial now most likely is the real Moussaoui."

Oh, you mean this guy!

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"Moussaoui: 'No remorse' for 9/11 Al Qaeda plotter tells jury of his hatred for Americans ALEXANDRIA, Virginia (CNN) -- Al Qaeda terrorist Zacarias Moussaoui told a jury deciding whether he should live or die that he is willing to kill Americans "any time, anywhere." Moussaoui testified at his sentencing trial Thursday that he had "no regret, no remorse" over the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and is disappointed that additional attacks were not carried out. "I just wish it could have gone on the 12th, the 13th, the 14th, the 15th, the 16th, the 17th. We can go on and on," Moussaoui said."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/13/moussaoui.trial/index.html

[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 1:50 PM. Reason : 666]

4/19/2006 1:48:03 PM

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"Once again, you become hostile when anyone questions you"

That's ridiculous. I'm not being hostile. You're just desperately grasping at straws, once again, to try smear me with something.

4/19/2006 1:50:52 PM

the word smear makes you shoot a load right into your pants, doesn't it?

you're DYING to be "smeared". you can taste it.

4/19/2006 1:52:21 PM

How the hell am I trying to smear someone by pointing out that an article didn't support their conclusion?

Do you know what paranoid schizophrenia is?

4/19/2006 1:53:29 PM

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"How the hell am I trying to smear someone by pointing out that an article didn't support their conclusion?"

You're trying to smear me by claiming I'm being "hostile"...not by any question you had about the article.

Don't think you can play these games with me, and not get called on it.


[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 2:20 PM. Reason : ``````````]

4/19/2006 1:57:49 PM

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"The article never says that Moussaoui is fluent in french or that french is his primary language."

That is a statement of fact. Show me where the article says either.

4/19/2006 2:05:16 PM

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" LOL. You are a joke, dude."

SMEAR TACTICS...SALIS SMEARED ME!!! so for real...do you want to go out this weekend orwhat??

dude...i am completely interested in the truth...it is you are who are interested only in furthering the agenda of liars like alex jones and yourself. i am trying hard to figure out what happened and all you can do is show me fake pictures of osama bin ladin.....your pathetic...and your a pathetic excuse for a conspirator...at least have some evidence of your theories...

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"The "official" story is absolutely bogus. The information and evidence I'm providing is shredding the "official" story to pieces."

the ofiicial story is the correct one. the evidence you have provided has done two things. 1) show that somewhere out there are some fake pictures of bin ladin and 2) your thoery is competely bogus since you have ZERO proof to back it up. we are waiting for the proof. come on with it. to say that you have proven it already is completely laughable


if the man in the court room is the real moussaui, the man who was a poor victim and is being framed, then why is he so vehemnetly claiming his hatred for america? why did he cry to his mom that he didnt do anything and now is saying that he is glad 9/11 happened??


you my friend have done nothing but make your thoery look dumb. sometimes this 9/11 conspiracy has some good points. but you make it a complete joke. learn to defend your ideas before you start arguing them. if someone asks you for proof of something then freakin have some proof. but you dont have any. all you have is articles that you past from prisonplanet

your a complete joke.

4/19/2006 2:08:08 PM

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"only in furthering the agenda of liars like alex jones and yourself"

Oh, by the way, you have yet to provide even one example of a "lie" either I or Alex Jones has said. Could you stop just hysterically claiming we are "liars" and actually provide some evidence to support your accusations? I'll be waiting on that.

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"and your a pathetic excuse for a conspirator"

What? Calm down and get a hold of yourself man.

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"then why is he so vehemnetly claiming his hatred for america?"

I don't know. Perhaps he is being coerced. Perhaps he is being tortured into "confessing" to the crimes. And that is not wild speculation, given that our government is known to torture people, and even support torture.

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"all you have is articles that you past from prisonplanet"

Most of the articles I post are from "mainstream" media sources.

4/19/2006 2:19:48 PM

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"Could you stop just hysterically claiming we are "liars" and actually provide some evidence to support your accusations?"

hahahahahaha

this is exactly what we've asked you to do time and time again and you have not done so. now you ask the very same of someone else? that's rich.


THIS FUCKIN' GUY

4/19/2006 2:30:25 PM

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"this is exactly what we've asked you to do time and time again and you have not done so"

Oh, right. I haven't provided ANY evidence at all? The scores of MSM articles, videos, and other evidence I've provided destroying the "official" conspiracy theory don't count?

You are in deep state of DENIAL.

4/19/2006 2:37:26 PM

hahaha

im glad someone else sees the humor in that statement

based on your rational: claiming that the zionist jew nazi aliens are responsible for 9/11 is a lie...so hows that for starters....if you want eveidence (again..with your rational) just go to any website that shows what acutally happened on 9/11 (insane arab muslims flew planes into buildings). thats why you and alex jones are liars (that is...using your rational)

you have got to keep up man. your getting killed in this thread and so are your thoeries. PLEASE come up with some proof.

a
you are in such a HUGE state of denial it hurts my head

[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 2:38 PM. Reason : asdf]

[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 2:39 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/19/2006 2:38:00 PM

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"Oh, right. I haven't provided ANY evidence at all? The scores of MSM articles, videos, and other evidence I've provided destroying the "official" conspiracy theory don't count?"

NOTHING YOU HAVE POSTED IS PROOF OF ANY OF THE CONCLUSIONS YOUR PARANOID SCHIZO MIND HAS COME UP WITH.

4/19/2006 2:39:15 PM

^ its really not...its all these random things that he shows and then says "SEE...THE JEWS!!!"

4/19/2006 2:40:02 PM

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"based on your rational: claiming that the zionist jew nazi aliens are responsible for 9/11 is a lie... ...your getting killed in this thread and so are your thoeries"

From the looks of your grammar, it appears you are getting frazzled and taking the worst of this.

And "aliens"? Set up strawman arguments much? Come on dude. That's pitiful. You've got to come with something better than that.

4/19/2006 2:41:42 PM

haha...grammar?? is that what you have resorted too?? who cares about grammar in a messege board??


i tell you what i do admire?? is his persistence in the face of constant defeat....like...i know when he reads this he will immediately want to post something about him proving the theory...and us being in denial....but...whatever


hahahahaha......grammar..."well....well...you are messing up grammar...so you must be pissed...so i win".....jeez


[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 2:48 PM. Reason : asdf]

4/19/2006 2:44:28 PM

Salisburyboy, could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me.

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

4/19/2006 3:14:36 PM

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"hahahahaha......grammar..."well....well...you are messing up grammar...so you must be pissed...so i win".....jeez "

I didn't say "I win" because of your grammar mistakes. I just pointed that out as an indication that you were tired out and worn down.

4/19/2006 3:24:05 PM

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"You're just desperately grasping at straws"

4/19/2006 3:25:32 PM

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"I didn't say "I win" because of your grammar mistakes. I just pointed that out as an indication that you were tired out and worn down. "

ok...

4/19/2006 3:30:09 PM

ANOTHER DESPERATE HIT/SMEAR PIECE AGAINST THE 9/11 TRUTH MOVEMENT

The Zionists and the elite are getting scared and more desperate. Check out this worthless hit piece against the 9/11 truth movement, where they specifically address the fact that more people are waking up to the fact that the Zionists pulled off 9/11:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/gate/archive/2006/04/19/cstillwell.DTL

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"The Truth About 9/11 Conspiracy Theories Cinnamon Stillwell Wednesday, April 19, 2006 [...] To hear them tell it, United Flight 93 was not brought down by the heroism of everyday Americans but was shot down by U.S. fighter pilots. Similarly, the conspiracists insist that airplanes couldn't have taken down the World Trade Center towers or the nearby 7 WTC building, but that controlled demolitions accounted for their collapse. Then there's the theory that the Pentagon was hit not with an airplane but by a missile. [...] Blaming the Jews [...] In the Muslim world, conspiracies involving the dastardly "Zionists" are a dime a dozen. But up until Sept. 11, in the West they were mostly the province of neo-Nazi groups. A brief look at any of the Sept. 11 conspiracy Web sites indicates that things have changed. In fact, a belief in the exaggerated power of pro-Israel Jews in the United States seems to have reached a much wider audience in the wake of Sept. 11. Hence, the recent report authored by Harvard University's Stephen M. Walt and the University of Chicago's John J. Mearsheimer on the alleged influence of the "Israel lobby " over American politics. As Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz has pointed out, the information in the report could have been culled from any number of neo-Nazi or Islamist Web sites. Even if one doesn't subscribe to the "blame the Jews" angle of Sept. 11 conspiracy theories, any foray into such territory inevitably leads in that direction."

Yeah, you know why it "leads in that direction"? Because that's where the FACTS and EVIDENCE lead you to. If you examine the facts, you will find that 9/11 was a Zionist-orchestrated "false flag" operation. Bottom line.

Oh, and they tried to disparage the Walt and Mearsheimer report as the work of "neo-Nazis." How completely desperate and pathetic.

The reason they have to address these issues is because so many people are now waking up to the truth. Furthermore, they are being forced to address the more powerful and central points of the issue, and try to smear anyone who talks about those issues as a "nutjob", "paranoid", "neo-Nazi", etc. But it's not going to work. The evidence is on our side, and the truth cannot be stopped.


Oh, and the hack that wrote this claimed that we all saw the "plane" that hit the Pentagon:

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"Never mind that the whole country witnessed the horrific sight of planes flying into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon..."

What complete rubbish.

4/19/2006 5:28:09 PM

a plane did hit the pentagon, and you must be smoking something pretty good to come up with the bullshit that duke is so sure you believe.

4/19/2006 6:19:26 PM

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"Oh, and the hack that wrote this claimed that we all saw the "plane" that hit the Pentagon:"

Well forget the fact that you are trying to smear those who dissent from your opinion as "hacks", he didn't claim that at all. He said that we saw planes hit both towers of the WTC, so it makes sense that a plane hit the pentagon.

In case you forgot the eye witness testimony from your last thread on this:

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"OK, I only read about half of this thread, but listen up. I know for a fact that a plane hit the pentagon becasue I saw it. With my own eyes. I was on my way to DC with my parents on the morning of September 11. I took the week off of school and after spending Monday night in Richmond, we were headed up to see the sites in DC. We were coming up on washington and were almost to the point where the pentagon is visable on the left. I was driving and my dad was in the passenger seat. All of a sudden we both see a plane coming from the right and behind us, though we hadn't heard it apporach. National Airport is in the direction that the plane was flying, but this plane was flying low and fast. It crossed our path and disappeared for about 2 seconds before we saw a flash of light and heard what sounded like a muffled firework. A few seconds later, we saw a large plume of smoke coming from where the plane had been headed. Just then we came around the bend and saw the building on fire. Fucking scary as shit. We pulled over on the side of the road, as did some of the other drivers, to watch and talk to the other people who had seen it, but about 5 minutes later a bunch of cops came through running everybody out. So yeah, it was a plane. End of thread."

http://www.brentroad.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=159930&page=28

Also, could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

[Edited on April 19, 2006 at 6:26 PM. Reason : 666]

4/19/2006 6:25:32 PM

haha..i was going to respond to that...but it was so much garbage its really not worth my time


of course he will think that im too scared to "challenge him on the facts" or "face the truth" or some crap.....

oh me....

4/19/2006 7:49:22 PM

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"a plane did hit the pentagon"

That's certainly not conclusive. And besides, that's not what I was getting at. The point is that the author claimed that "the whole country witnessed" (ie, SAW with their eyes) the "plane" that hit the Pentagon. But no video of the aircraft that hit the Pentagon was broadcast on national tv the day of the attack. And no such video has been widely shown since. The only thing that has been released is 5 frames allegedly from a security video supposedly showing whatever hit the Pentagon (which, by the way, shows an aircraft much smaller than a Boeing 757).

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"Well forget the fact that you are trying to smear those who dissent from your opinion as "hacks""

It's not "smear" when it's the truth.

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"hack n. One who undertakes unpleasant or distasteful tasks for money or reward; a hireling. A writer hired to produce routine or commercial writing."

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"he didn't claim that at all. He said that we saw planes hit both towers of the WTC"

The author is a woman.

And do you have reading comprehension problems? The author clearly stated that we all "witnessed" the "plane" that hit the Pentagon. Here's the exact quote from the article:

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"Never mind that the whole country witnessed the horrific sight of planes flying into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon..."

The depths of denial that you people will go to is simply amazing.


[Edited on April 20, 2006 at 11:24 AM. Reason : ``````````]

4/20/2006 11:17:16 AM

4/20/2006 11:40:42 AM

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"Mr. Joshua: he didn't claim that at all. He said that we saw planes hit both towers of the WTC"

Oh, so she didn't say that we all "witnessed" a plane hit the Pentagon?

THEN WHY DID THE PAPER ISSUSE A CORRECTION ON THAT STATEMENT?


http://www.sfgate.com/pages/corrections/

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"Corrections Cinnamon Stillwell's column Wednesday on SFGate originally stated that images of the plane that struck the Pentagon had been seen by the American public. No such images have been made public. (4/19)"

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/200406issueretraction.htm

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"Chronicle Forced To Issue Retraction On 9/11 Hit Piece Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | April 20 2006 [...] In a new development this morning, the paper was forced to issue a retraction following Cinnamon Stillwell's outright falsehood that the "whole country witnessed the horrific sight of planes flying into the....Pentagon," a glaring error first highlighted by this website on Wednesday morning. [...] Chalk up another victory for the 9/11 Truth Movement! If Stillwell can't even get this right, what other piles of horse manure has her shoddy research led her into?"

[Edited on April 20, 2006 at 12:22 PM. Reason : ``````````]

4/20/2006 12:20:18 PM

OH HOW WE LOVE PRISONPLANET!!!1

4/20/2006 12:24:23 PM

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"It's not "smear" when it's the truth."

So can you prove that the author was hired to write this in spite of her own opinion?

Other "truths" offered by salisburyboy:

Jews are evil.
Arabs are dumb.
Mexicans are genetically predisposed to gang rape.

The depths of denial that you will go to is simply amazing.

Also, could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

4/20/2006 12:50:27 PM

This is from way back on page 8 (see near top of page):

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"salisburyboy: "The point is that the drills helped DELAY a proper response."

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"JonHGuth: "but it didnt delay things, so what was the point"

http://www.prisonplanet.com/faa_delay_in_reporting_911_hijackings_probed.htm (cached Newsday article)

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"FAA Delay in Reporting 9/11 Hijackings Probed By Thomas Frank WASHINGTON BUREAU May 23, 2003 [...] Jane Garvey, former head of the Federal Aviation Administration, was asked pointedly by commissioner Richard Ben-Veniste why the agency apparently took a half-hour to notify the country's air defense command about the hijackings."

9/11 recordings chronicle confusion, delay
http://cgi.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/17/911.transcript/

4/20/2006 12:50:48 PM

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"On 9/11 there were only 14 fighter jets on alert in the contiguous 48 states. No computer network or alarm automatically alerted the North American Air Defense Command (NORAD) of missing planes. "They [civilian Air Traffic Control, or ATC] had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. Boston Center, one of 22 Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regional ATC facilities, called NORAD's Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS) three times: at 8:37 am EST to inform NEADS that Flight 11 was hijacked; at 9:21 am to inform the agency, mistakenly, that Flight 11 was headed for Washington (the plane had hit the North Tower 35 minutes earlier); and at 9:41 am to (erroneously) identify Delta Air Lines Flight 1989 from Boston as a possible hijacking. The New York ATC called NEADS at 9:03 am to report that United Flight 175 had been hijacked--the same time the plane slammed into the South Tower. Within minutes of that first call from Boston Center, NEADS scrambled two F-15s from Otis Air Force Base in Falmouth, Mass., and three F-16s from Langley Air National Guard Base in Hampton, Va. None of the fighters got anywhere near the pirated planes. Why couldn't ATC find the hijacked flights? When the hijackers turned off the planes' transponders, which broadcast identifying signals, ATC had to search 4500 identical radar blips crisscrossing some of the country's busiest air corridors. And NORAD's sophisticated radar? It ringed the continent, looking outward for threats, not inward. "It was like a doughnut," Martin says. "There was no coverage in the middle." Pre-9/11, flights originating in the States were not seen as threats and NORAD wasn't prepared to track them."

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=3&c=y

Also, could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

4/20/2006 1:01:09 PM

What, Mr. Joshua, no response to the fact that you were DEAD WRONG on the fact that the author of the San Francisco Chronicle article stated that we all "witnessed" the "plane" that hit the Pentagon? No comment on their correction of that mistake either?

Hmmmmmmm

4/20/2006 1:08:58 PM

My bad. I read that wrong.


Also, could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

4/20/2006 1:10:58 PM

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"Once again, Mr. Joshua is spamming the thread with trivial questions, snide comments, and issues that have already been addressed....in order to try to distract and direct the discussion away from the evidence disproving his position on the issue."

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"Also, could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?"

I HAVE responded to some of those questions, yet you continue to ask them. Which demonstrates that you aren't really interested in my response, but rather in trying to distract me...and now spamming the thread and desperately trying to make it seem as if I am ignoring your "serious" questions.

People aren't this stupid, Mr. Joshua. I don't know who you think you're fooling. They see what you're trying to do. It's transparent.


[Edited on April 20, 2006 at 1:26 PM. Reason : ``````````]

4/20/2006 1:18:35 PM

Where have you answered any of these questions?

4/20/2006 1:45:44 PM

You don't remember me responding to this 2 times already?:

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"You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built...."

Let me remind everyone what I posted in response before:

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"FALSE. I never said that. And you cannot find an "explicit" statement where I did say that. You are putting words in my mouth again, even after I have made myself more than clear."

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"I never said that the elite want the pipeline built right now. I simply stated that Afghanistan was crucial (as a location) for the building of such a pipeline. Again, this is all about CONTROL of the oil resources, including being able to manipulate the supply levels to control price and profits. Perhaps they don't want the pipeline built for now. And perhaps they would like to build it, but cannot due to the current chaotic situation inside Afghanistan or for other reasons."

Even though I had responded to that question TWICE before, you continue to ask it.

This conclusively shows you are trolling me and are trying to distract me.

4/20/2006 1:56:09 PM

i have a few genuine questions myself:

could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

4/20/2006 2:07:32 PM

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"Once again, Mr. Joshua 30thAnnZ is spamming the thread with trivial questions, snide comments, and issues that have already been addressed....in order to try to distract and direct the discussion away from the evidence disproving his position on the issue."

4/20/2006 2:16:19 PM

this is getting really pathetic...salis is just spammin...he wont answer questions...he is really just trying troll and take up bandwidth

4/20/2006 2:30:07 PM

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"to distract and direct the discussion away from the evidence disproving his position on the issue."

1. what discussion? there's you pasting bullshit from other places trying to prove your point and then not discussing it at all. whenever anything is pointed out contrary to your agenda, you disregard completely and continue to paste more bullshit.

2. evidence? what evidence? you have provided no evidence. you provide point a, and what you percieve as point c, and never anything remotely close to point b.

4/20/2006 2:32:53 PM

IN Guardian (U.K.) ARTICLE, FORMER U.K. ENVIRONMENTAL MINISTER MICHAEL MEACHER SAYS THE "WAR ON TERRORISM" IS BOGUS AND SUGGESTS THE U.S. GOVERNMENT ALLOWED THE 9/11 ATTACKS TO OCCUR; DISCUSSES PRIOR KNOWLEDGE OF ATTACKS, THE U.S. PLANS TO INVADE AFGHANISTAN BEFORE 9/11, PROTECTION OF THE "TERRORISTS", SLOW RESPONSE OF U.S. AIR DEFENSE ON 9/11; 9/11 WAS THE PRETEXT FOR THE PNAC PLAN FOR AMERICAN GLOBAL DOMINATION; ALSO ACKNOWLEDGES THAT PEARL HARBOR ATTACK WAS ALLOWED TO HAPPEN

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/iraq/comment/0,12956,1036687,00.html

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0906-01.htm

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"This War on Terrorism is Bogus The 9/11 attacks gave the US an ideal pretext to use force to secure its global domination by Michael Meacher September 6, 2003 Guardian (UK) [...] We now know that a blueprint for the creation of a global Pax Americana was drawn up for Dick Cheney (now vice-president), Donald Rumsfeld (defense secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (Rumsfeld's deputy), Jeb Bush (George Bush's younger brother) and Lewis Libby (Cheney's chief of staff). The document, entitled Rebuilding America's Defenses, was written in September 2000 by the neoconservative think tank, Project for the New American Century (PNAC). The plan shows Bush's cabinet intended to take military control of the Gulf region whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power. It says "while the unresolved conflict with Iraq provides the immediate justification, the need for a substantial American force presence in the Gulf transcends the issue of the regime of Saddam Hussein." [...] Finally - written a year before 9/11 - it pinpoints North Korea, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes, and says their existence justifies the creation of a "worldwide command and control system". This is a blueprint for US world domination. [...] First, it is clear the US authorities did little or nothing to pre-empt the events of 9/11. It is known that at least 11 countries provided advance warning to the US of the 9/11 attacks. Two senior Mossad experts were sent to Washington in August 2001 to alert the CIA and FBI to a cell of 200 terrorists said to be preparing a big operation (Daily Telegraph, September 16 2001). The list they provided included the names of four of the 9/11 hijackers, none of whom was arrested. It had been known as early as 1996 that there were plans to hit Washington targets with airplanes. Then in 1999 a US national intelligence council report noted that "al-Qaida suicide bombers could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the CIA, or the White House". [...] It is also reported that five of the hijackers received training at secure US military installations in the 1990s (Newsweek, September 15 2001). Instructive leads prior to 9/11 were not followed up. French Moroccan flight student Zacarias Moussaoui (now thought to be the 20th hijacker) was arrested in August 2001 after an instructor reported he showed a suspicious interest in learning how to steer large airliners. When US agents learned from French intelligence he had radical Islamist ties, they sought a warrant to search his computer, which contained clues to the September 11 mission (Times, November 3 2001). But they were turned down by the FBI. One agent wrote, a month before 9/11, that Moussaoui might be planning to crash into the Twin Towers (Newsweek, May 20 2002). All of this makes it all the more astonishing - on the war on terrorism perspective - that there was such slow reaction on September 11 itself. The first hijacking was suspected at not later than 8.20am, and the last hijacked aircraft crashed in Pennsylvania at 10.06am. Not a single fighter plane was scrambled to investigate from the US Andrews Air Force base, just 10 miles from Washington DC, until after the third plane had hit the Pentagon at 9.38 am. Why not? There were standard FAA intercept procedures for hijacked aircraft before 9/11. Between September 2000 and June 2001 the US military launched fighter aircraft on 67 occasions to chase suspicious aircraft (AP, August 13 2002). It is a US legal requirement that once an aircraft has moved significantly off its flight plan, fighter planes are sent up to investigate. Was this inaction simply the result of key people disregarding, or being ignorant of, the evidence? Or could US air security operations have been deliberately stood down on September 11? If so, why, and on whose authority? The former US federal crimes prosecutor, John Loftus, has said: "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defense of incompetence." Nor is the US response after 9/11 any better. No serious attempt has ever been made to catch Bin Laden. In late September and early October 2001, leaders of Pakistan's two Islamist parties negotiated Bin Laden's extradition to Pakistan to stand trial for 9/11. However, a US official said, significantly, that "casting our objectives too narrowly" risked "a premature collapse of the international effort if by some lucky chance Mr Bin Laden was captured". The US chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, General Myers, went so far as to say that "the goal has never been to get Bin Laden" (AP, April 5 2002). The whistleblowing FBI agent Robert Wright told ABC News (December 19 2002) that FBI headquarters wanted no arrests. And in November 2001 the US air force complained it had had al-Qaida and Taliban leaders in its sights as many as 10 times over the previous six weeks, but had been unable to attack because they did not receive permission quickly enough (Time Magazine, May 13 2002). None of this assembled evidence, all of which comes from sources already in the public domain, is compatible with the idea of a real, determined war on terrorism. The catalogue of evidence does, however, fall into place when set against the PNAC blueprint. From this it seems that the so-called "war on terrorism" is being used largely as bogus cover for achieving wider US strategic geopolitical objectives. [...] In fact, 9/11 offered an extremely convenient pretext to put the PNAC plan into action. The evidence again is quite clear that plans for military action against Afghanistan and Iraq were in hand well before 9/11. [...] There is a possible precedent for this. The US national archives reveal that President Roosevelt used exactly this approach in relation to Pearl Harbor on December 7 1941. Some advance warning of the attacks was received, but the information never reached the US fleet. The ensuing national outrage persuaded a reluctant US public to join the second world war. Similarly the PNAC blueprint of September 2000 states that the process of transforming the US into "tomorrow's dominant force" is likely to be a long one in the absence of "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor". [...] The conclusion of all this analysis must surely be that the "global war on terrorism" has the hallmarks of a political myth propagated to pave the way for a wholly different agenda - the US goal of world hegemony, built around securing by force command over the oil supplies required to drive the whole project."

[Edited on April 20, 2006 at 3:12 PM. Reason : ````````]

4/20/2006 2:59:34 PM

Somehow you missed the rest of the question, little buddy.

Quote :

"You just said that Afghanistan was invaded so that a pipeline could be built. Now you're saying that the zionists wanted to prevent the building of a pipeline - just like how Iraq was invaded to secure the oil supply even though the zionists don't care about the oil supply. How do you reconcile all of the conflicting information that you spout off on here?"

Also, could you please address these questions? I'm not trying to redirect or distract here. I'm genuinely curious. You made statements regarding all of these questions in this very thread, I would just like you to explain them before moving on. I questioned these claims when they were originally made, but you ignored me. Why won't you answer them?

Why didn't they build a pipeline in 1998? Why did they blow up their own african embassies and then launch a missile attack on Afghanistan? They were set to build a natural gas pipeline with the Taliban then. Why mess that up for no reason?

You don't believe that Afghanistan was invaded for the sake of a pipeline? Then why are you defending that theory so stubbornly?

By the way, how did the zionists cause the US Civil War and the Revolutionary War?

I would also like to see some proof that Pearl Harbor was caused by the evil edomite zionists.

You have provided absolutely no evidence at all that the Rothschilds are the zionists at the top running world events. They were a prominent family that supported the creation of a jewish state, that is all. Please provide some evidence other than "Here are some rich jews!"

So why should anyone believe your rantings anyway You have admitted that you hate jews. As such, you are far from an impartial source when you blame jews for every problem in the world.

^ Classic salisburyboy. When you get caught ignoring serious questions, immediately cut and paste another unrelated article in the hopes that everyone will forget.

[Edited on April 20, 2006 at 3:04 PM. Reason : 666]

4/20/2006 3:02:58 PM

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"Once again, Mr. Joshua is spamming the thread with trivial questions, snide comments, and issues that have already been addressed....in order to try to distract and direct the discussion away from the evidence disproving his position on the issue."

4/20/2006 3:07:22 PM