WTF is up with these pardons?

2/18/2020 4:56:40 PM

I'd you think this is fun just wait till after 11/3

2/18/2020 5:11:13 PM

It’s unbelievable how blatantly corrupt these pardons are. Can trump supporters not see this? Wtf...

2/18/2020 6:48:40 PM

I don’t think corrupt is the right world. The pardon act itself can’t be corrupt unless he’s flat out extorting people and even then a POTUS has blanket pardon power.

But he his REWARDING corruption.

[Edited on February 18, 2020 at 6:50 PM. Reason : C]

2/18/2020 6:49:42 PM

^
It’s corrupt in the universal sense.

And probably corrupt in the legal sense too

Quote :

" The son of one of Trump’s pardon recipients gave $85k to Trump victory this August. His wife gave $50k that same month. On top of that, they made an in-kind contribution for $75k in air travel."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-grants-clemency-to-another-round-of-people-he-saw-on-fox-news

2/18/2020 10:12:45 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservative/comments/f5wu7o/trump_commutes_sentence_of_exillinois_gov/

there's a fair bit of anger there from republicans about this. If dems are smart they should be able to actually capitalize on this.

2/19/2020 12:53:05 AM

nothing bothers me more than comments like that.

1) of course republicans arent
2) of course democrats wont

2/19/2020 6:25:28 AM

It will never stop being awful to see the President retweeting Tom god damn Fitton.

2/19/2020 9:38:54 AM

Can we make a poll on when Trump pardons Roger Stone:

- By the end of the week
- In the next 3 months
- In the next 6 months
- Final presidential pardon before leaving office in January

2/19/2020 1:24:57 PM

stone pardon next week unless judge denies request for a new trial this week.

2/19/2020 1:39:28 PM

Fucking traitor

2/19/2020 8:00:27 PM

stone pardon might happen this week

2/20/2020 11:49:17 AM

NEW: Trump loyalist Roger Stone was sentenced to 40 months in prison on Thursday.

3ish years

2/20/2020 12:51:01 PM

I believe the original sentencing recommendation was 7-9 years, what was the new recommendation after Barr interfered?

2/20/2020 12:53:29 PM

Briefing to the House intelligence committee reports that Russia is already meddling in the upcoming election, Trump fires director of national security the next day.

2/20/2020 7:29:41 PM

I was so upset when Putin rigged that Iowa app.

2/21/2020 10:28:01 AM

Apparently acting dni head grinell can’t qualify for a security clearance because of recent work for a sanctioned oligarch.

It really seems like the country is in real danger now. Intel community officials don’t have official channels to share information with congress, and if they do so secretly it makes it suspect and then subjects them to termination by trump.

The legal process would be congress asking for the court to make a ruling, but there’s no enforcement mechanism for a ruling anyway as long as the senate has gop control.

2/21/2020 5:03:17 PM

Quote :

"It really seems like the country is in real danger now."

Welcome to 2016 lol

2/23/2020 9:55:24 PM

I feel like the president spreading disinformation and contradicting experts about a potential pandemic to try and prop up equity markets is probably not good. Isn’t it easier to just say nothing and defer to your experts?

Of course this is the same guy who was the most awful person on the entirety of planet earth during Ebola in 2014.

2/25/2020 9:54:41 AM

Does anyone who watches tv news know if they’re reporting on trumps obfuscating comments on corona virus?

2/25/2020 5:11:18 PM

i don't normally watch hardly any TV news but happened to catch some today and CNN talked about it a bit

2/25/2020 5:51:47 PM

wrong thread

[Edited on February 25, 2020 at 8:11 PM. Reason : oops]

2/25/2020 8:11:29 PM

This HHS whistleblower story is something, when the americans under quarantine were repatriated HHS sent workers with no PPE, training, and gave them no testing or monitoring and just let them go kn as normal. The first us-contracted case happens to be near one of the air force bases used

2/27/2020 4:56:06 PM

Has anyone in public office ever been so obviously unfit to handle anything then Trump is in this moment?

I can’t imagine any serious person (so throw out the marks like Earl) sees him tweet-raging about Democrats at 1am when all they want is honest information about a serious situation and thinks “yeah, that’s how this should be handled.”

2/28/2020 5:21:16 AM

the concentration of big mac in his bloodstream is probably high enough to make him immune.

2/28/2020 6:37:22 AM

here's the whistleblower story i was referencing
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/coronavirus-us-whistleblower.html

2/28/2020 8:30:42 AM

The only explanation I can think of for such incompetence is that either they know, or think, that it is really no worse than a severe cold or influenza.

Still pretty stunning.

2/28/2020 8:45:37 AM

This is what we're dealing with - miracles:

Quote :

""It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear,""

2/28/2020 8:49:15 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GyVx28R9-s

2/28/2020 11:05:41 AM

^^^ Why not simply rank incompetence and lack of leadership?

2/28/2020 11:22:14 AM

Because there have to be several layers of decent management between those peons and top levels.

2/28/2020 12:00:53 PM

JFC dude

2/28/2020 12:10:00 PM

the trump administration fired a lot of those people, cut budgets which got rid of more, put 3 people in charge of the same thing causing confusion on who is in charge, and the trump admin is now directing everyone they have to go through pence's press secretary to give out any info to control information


it's definitely everyone else's fault and trump isn't responsible, good point not-right-wing rjrumfel

2/28/2020 12:18:38 PM

All those layers are made up of the same people Trump continuously disparages as deep state coup plotters. Some of them probably have their name on one of John McEntee's loyalty lists.

They're the people with the knowledge, experience, and know-how Republicans have spent decades dismissing as elitism.

They're the people Trump will publicly ridicule if they do or say anything contrary to Trump's belief of the moment (see NOAA/NWS and hurricane predictions). Republicans will eagerly pile on even more harassment.

All those people you're hoping will be decent and competent are trying to avoid Trump's capriciousness. Leadership starts at the top. This is what Trump's leadership has gotten us.

2/28/2020 2:03:05 PM

Wow, don't know what to say to that.

https://twitter.com/ThePubliusUSA/status/1234253914234609664

First I thought it was a parody or something. Is he on speed?

3/2/2020 10:42:41 AM

^^I used to work on an government contract. My managers, their managers, their directors, etc, were so apolitical it was ridiculous. I view those HHS folks the same way - if Trump's appointees are trickling down to staff level managers, then we have problems.

3/2/2020 10:46:43 AM

don't worry guys, when you get low enough to people who aren't allowed to communicate to the public or set policy or make decisions, they aren't all assholes

3/2/2020 11:17:39 AM

^^ I too have worked for the government too.

The employees who set policy and develop agency-wide responses, who are responsible for coordinating with other agencies and other levels of governments (state and local), and are responsible for communicating with NGOs and other governments--those people are either appointees or work closely for them.

Lower level workaday employees being apolitical doesn't mean they're politically unaware. And it certainly doesn't change the fact that they ultimately take direction from and execute the policies and priorities of political appointees.

Are you really going to pretend Trump's actions, attitude and words have no bearing on the functioning of government?

3/2/2020 7:17:47 PM

Quote :

"Wow, don't know what to say to that. https://twitter.com/ThePubliusUSA/status/1234253914234609664 First I thought it was a parody or something. Is he on speed?"

You know, I've always thought Roger Stone wants to present himself as a comic book villain; here his mouth expressions really make me think of the Penguin. The Burgess Meredith Penguin, specifically.

3/2/2020 8:06:50 PM

I'm not saying that his policies and ideals don't trickle down. I'm just saying in this one specific case, perhaps the workday employees were just incompentent.

3/3/2020 10:04:08 AM

Leadership is absolved then!

3/3/2020 11:05:13 AM

So are we giving points yet for the Taliban deal?

3/3/2020 11:17:41 AM

I really hope a taliban deal can happen under a republican, and was glad to see it, but didn't it already fall apart?

3/3/2020 11:39:22 AM

I thought an initial part of the deal was a prisoner release that the US had no authority to approve and the Afghan government doesn’t want to do

3/3/2020 11:44:33 AM

I haven't read too much about it except the troop levels are about what they were when Obama left. I'm skeptical this deal is anything substantive...

3/3/2020 5:15:26 PM

Quote :

"I'm not saying that his policies and ideals don't trickle down. I'm just saying in this one specific case, perhaps the workday employees were just incompentent."

Trickle down Trump, or just some workday employees being incompetent?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/02/us/politics/esper-trump-military-coronavirus.html

3/3/2020 10:59:00 PM

Quote :

""The top Republican on the House Agriculture Committee said on Wednesday another farm bailout program would be needed this year if the agricultural export boom the Trump administration has promised doesn’t arrive soon.""

I am fascinated that Dems don't attack Trump more on his failed tariff policy and farm bailouts. Has it been brought up during any of the debates what each of the candidates would do about Trump's tariffs?

3/4/2020 12:24:57 PM

I love how he can suddenly redirect his jackassery towards spitting truth bombs at elizabeth warren. The one scratch on this itchy day.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1235223911538872323

3/4/2020 3:54:15 PM

i know they will, but i really wish that idiots on the left like horosho wouldn't fall for it

3/4/2020 5:09:55 PM

That tweet made it easier to see why MAGA is so appealing to people who are frustrated. No matter how destructive you know it is, his attacks against the establishment power appeal to a primal instinct wired into all of us. It felt GREAT to read that this morning. I'm not afraid to admit that. To deny that, would be to deny the way fascist movements can rise up and gain momentum. The antidote to that, of course, is leftist populism. Democratic socialism.

The system isn't working and there are three ways to frame why:

-Centrists use propaganda to convince people things are fundamentally good with small tweaks needed
-Fascists blame other, weaker groups of people (Mexicans! Muslims! Welfare recipients!)
-Socialists blame capitalism (Corporations and Billionaires!)

It has to be one of the three and when the propaganda apparatus loses credibility, people are either going to turn to socialism or fascism. Psychologically, its much easier to have something to blame and to direct your anger at that than it is to believe perceived systemic problems simply don't exist.

This notion that no one on the right including Trump and Tucker can ever speak truth is the same kind of thinking that Cuba can't have a good education system...on steroids. Clearly anyone who thinks Trump's insult on Warren is accurate is also a racist fascist bigot who thinks mexicans are rapists.

Tucker's monologue tonight was 100% spot on about how he was wrong about Biden being the nominee and that the establishment was underestimated and needs Biden because they can control him to fulfill their interests.

[Edited on March 5, 2020 at 1:18 AM. Reason : don't be so smart that you forget how human nature works]

[Edited on March 5, 2020 at 1:23 AM. Reason : its all or nothing with you people]

3/5/2020 1:17:24 AM