mgr?

4/10/2007 4:40:01 PM

i dont remember what the acronym stands for but its the amount of revenue you as an individual generate for the site in terms of rake.

your rakeback for this program is 30% of your mgr, or your total rake

4/10/2007 4:44:10 PM

Monthly Gross Revenue.

How much rake you're giving the poker site, you get 30% of that back. Most sites count 100% of all bonuses you earn against your MGR(so they pay you less rakeback), but UB only counts 25% of it.

4/10/2007 4:45:27 PM

ooo

i was wondering how the weekly points for cash promo would effect mgr

4/10/2007 4:50:39 PM

I'm now a proud member of the noidroid raketherake team

4/10/2007 4:57:37 PM

It's super! Fantastic! All the cool kids are doing it! HIHI!!!!

Join today!

4/10/2007 5:09:59 PM

I might have to give in to the peer pressure.

4/10/2007 5:11:13 PM

i mean honestly though, i see no downside at all.

[Edited on April 10, 2007 at 5:19 PM. Reason : have to hate hitting a wrong button that costs you a large portion of your stack]

4/10/2007 5:17:26 PM

Don't ever hit the 'get chips' button on UB in the middle of a hand unless you have the 'fold to any bet' button clicked. If the action gets to you while you're trying to get chips you will bet pot instead.

4/10/2007 5:24:13 PM

that would be sweet if we all joined UB

[Edited on April 10, 2007 at 6:03 PM. Reason : i know I am. The idiots on Bodog piss me off]

4/10/2007 6:03:05 PM

fuckin around in a $2.50 NL tournament on stars
been crazy card dead and finally caught a pocket pair....



PokerStars Game #9355587201: Tournament #47143732, $2.50+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2007/04/10 - 18:12:58 (ET)
Table '47143732 187' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: taylor71 (6935 in chips)
Seat 2: DustyMike (2340 in chips)
Seat 3: adamlaytatst (1030 in chips)
Seat 4: hazi111 (9770 in chips)
Seat 5: Mflip10 (1305 in chips)
Seat 6: TheRADstr (8905 in chips)
Seat 7: Muggur9 (1595 in chips)
Seat 8: Janjesper (3245 in chips)
Seat 9: MTdog-7 (845 in chips)
Mflip10: posts small blind 75
TheRADstr: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to adamlaytatst [5c 5s]
Muggur9: folds
Janjesper: folds
MTdog-7: calls 150
taylor71: folds
DustyMike: folds
adamlaytatst: calls 150
hazi111: folds
Mflip10: folds
taylor71 said, "no bluff here"
TheRADstr: checks
*** FLOP *** [3c 7c 6h]
TheRADstr: checks
MTdog-7: checks
adamlaytatst: checks
*** TURN *** [3c 7c 6h] [4c]
TheRADstr: bets 300
MTdog-7: raises 395 to 695 and is all-in
adamlaytatst: raises 185 to 880 and is all-in
TheRADstr: calls 580
*** RIVER *** [3c 7c 6h 4c] [6c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TheRADstr: shows [Qc Ks] (a flush, Queen high)
adamlaytatst: shows [5c 5s] (a straight flush, Three to Seven)
adamlaytatst collected 370 from side pot
MTdog-7: shows [Ac Ah] (a flush, Ace high)
adamlaytatst collected 2610 from main pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2980 Main pot 2610. Side pot 370. | Rake 0
Board [3c 7c 6h 4c 6c]
Seat 1: taylor71 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: DustyMike folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: adamlaytatst showed [5c 5s] and won (2980) with a straight flush, Three to Seven
Seat 4: hazi111 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Mflip10 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: TheRADstr (big blind) showed [Qc Ks] and lost with a flush, Queen high
Seat 7: Muggur9 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Janjesper folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: MTdog-7 showed [Ac Ah] and lost with a flush, Ace high

4/10/2007 6:16:49 PM

you couldnt have played that much worse

4/11/2007 12:20:11 AM

thanks

4/11/2007 1:13:53 AM

^^

I think I said that to myself after every hand I played last night.

4/11/2007 8:24:04 AM

day one of limit oh8 was a loser....i felt like i made a couple of costly mistakes, but i mean a learning curve is expected i guess.

4/11/2007 10:13:48 AM

hish just sent me this

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/11610818/detail.html?subid=22105243&qs=1;bp=t

4/11/2007 10:23:55 AM

wow, is there a reason that nc is cracking down so hard on poker players? lack of other things to do?

4/11/2007 10:36:27 AM

Georgia

4/11/2007 10:42:06 AM

Quote :

"The raid at the Poker Palace during a Texas Hold 'em was conducted about 2 a.m. Wednesday."

these people need to keep their Texas Hold'ems on the DL

4/11/2007 2:20:59 PM

FUCK ME THESE HEADS UP MATCHES ARE AWESOME!

4/11/2007 6:18:11 PM

I took NoidRoid's advice and I'm staying in the .50/1 games

it's doing pretty well for me but I'm feigning for some 1/2 games

I just dont have the bankroll for it yet

4/11/2007 10:19:20 PM

I just had a 1 hour session where I ended with $1550 spread out on my 4 $200 max tables for a profit of $55.

Yup, dropped ~$700 in the first 25 minutes before making a ridiculous charge back to the black. Sessions like this are gonna make me go grey by the time I hit 30.


Bad times:

http://www.pokerhand.org/?992738
http://www.pokerhand.org/?992730
http://www.pokerhand.org/?992724
http://www.pokerhand.org/?992744
http://www.pokerhand.org/?992742

I could not do anything right. There is definately some tilt and/or horrible reads in there, don't try that at home.


Good times:

http://www.pokerhand.org/?992758
http://www.pokerhand.org/?992754
http://www.pokerhand.org/?992764
http://www.pokerhand.org/?992770
http://www.pokerhand.org/?992767

If I hadn't won that 101010 hand I might have been like gg life.


I also managed to make a straight flush, wooo

http://www.pokerhand.org/?992780

4/12/2007 7:09:55 PM

Why did you bet the river for hand#1

What did you put him on for hand http://www.pokerhand.org/?992758

Had you just planned to call him down to the riber? http://www.pokerhand.org/?992764

[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 7:17 PM. Reason : ]

4/12/2007 7:13:04 PM

Hand #1: I check-called a pot. Mostly because he did this to me a few hands before:

http://www.pokerhand.org/?992814

Bad read me, I usually fold there I just thought I had induced a bluff.

Quote :

"What did you put him on for hand http://www.pokerhand.org/?992758"

AQ/AJ. Possibly a float. I also pegged him as a tight player who wouldn't stackoff in that big of a pot with those hands. Luckily our stack sizes facilitated the bluff, otherwise I have to fold.

Quote :

"Had you just planned to call him down to the riber? http://www.pokerhand.org/?992764"

I thought my hand was good when I bet turn. If he lead on a different river it would depend on what card it was and how much. Without the J I check behind, his most likely holding was a draw.




[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 7:24 PM. Reason : caught up]

4/12/2007 7:17:47 PM

My mistake. Misread the hand history.

What happens if he bets the turn for http://www.pokerhand.org/?992764

[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 7:22 PM. Reason : ]

4/12/2007 7:20:57 PM

Probably a fold, kinda depends how much though.

4/12/2007 7:26:04 PM

Have any good books I could borrow noid or should I just dive in and get some more experience under my belt?

4/12/2007 7:26:33 PM

Dive on in. The water's fiiiiine.


If you're unsure about your 6max game I can datamine you for a while at lower limits and try to advise on any major leaks. That's what I'm trying to do with pilgrimshoes even though he is a winning player, there's always room for improvement.



[Edited on April 12, 2007 at 7:29 PM. Reason : .]

4/12/2007 7:29:21 PM

How can you datamine me?
What limits?
What size bankroll will I need?

4/12/2007 7:36:10 PM

If you play on UB I can find your tables and record the HH's in PT without being at the table, I'm doing it to Ben right now actually.

10 buy-ins for the limit you start at is the bare minimum, 20 would be better. So $250-$500 to start at the .10/.25 6max games.

4/12/2007 7:39:24 PM

oh damn

didnt know you had found me


i just did something stupid

4/12/2007 7:43:38 PM

Quote :

"I can find your tables and record the HH's in PT "

Say what?

4/12/2007 7:54:31 PM

hand history

poker tracker

4/12/2007 8:09:42 PM

Poker tracker can access someone else's hand history?

4/12/2007 8:13:26 PM

It can't see their hole cards if they muck at showdown, but it can record observed hands if you have the table open

4/12/2007 8:18:05 PM

I just lost a decent sum of money because of a fucking ace on the river

ironically the guys user name was "aceonriver"

wtf

4/12/2007 10:44:11 PM

ok, i dont htink NoidRoid will mind me posting this, but I'm going to post our last few conversations here, regarding the hands he's watched me play and datamined.

Id like to consolidate them in one place, (and my aim keeps crashing so i lose them), and i think that they could help not only just me, but nayone who is venturing int a 6max nl game.

keep in mind that as a limit player, ive got many limit hold em traits that are ultra hard to break... and many of them are evident in these stats and conversation topics....

Quote :

"yeah I just left those two tables up when I went golfing. I had you at +$18.95 over 222 hands, no idea what part of your actual session that covers. vpip: 25 I think 17-18 is prbably optimal at these limits, but it is certainly possible to be profitable playing 25 if you can keep from getting into trouble pfr: 12.5 Pretty low, but it could just be that you werent getting many good hands out of the 222 I mined. I'd also like to see it a lot closer to whatever your vpip is, you're limping too many hands. agg: 1.88 That's very low, mine is like 5. Specifically you're flop AF is only 1.0, lower than your turn and river. It should be the other way around. It appears that you're splashing around too much, a style that probably works better live at a casino or whatever. Online you really need to shit or get off the pot, I've had success with a very aggressive style and that's what I would reccommend. Let me know when you're playing and I'll try to mine you some more, it'll be interesting to see how/if your numbers change. I also need a bigger sample to say much about other stats with as Went To Showdown, Won $ At Showdown, Att. To Steal Blinds, Fold BB to Steal, Fold to Bet On Flop, and your aggression facter per street. Those are all stats that I use with my HUD, I can tell a lot about how people play with them. "

4/13/2007 7:49:49 AM

Quote :

" Noid Roid (7:46:40 PM): KJ? JJ? rOwdychOwdah (7:46:56 PM): AK =[ Noid Roid (7:47:02 PM): oh noes rOwdychOwdah (7:47:04 PM): the one aginst the set of tens right rOwdychOwdah (7:47:04 PM): yeah Noid Roid (7:47:07 PM): yeah rOwdychOwdah (7:47:12 PM): exactly Noid Roid (7:47:17 PM): myeh.. I've done worse rOwdychOwdah (7:47:30 PM): amateur1 is a retard though =[ Noid Roid (7:47:42 PM): guess you havent had time to read about today's session rOwdychOwdah (7:47:50 PM): i skimmed it rOwdychOwdah (7:47:53 PM): didnt look at the hands Noid Roid (7:48:00 PM): pretty crazy rOwdychOwdah (7:48:12 PM): had a fucking stupid day at work and just went straight to ub when i got home about an hour ago Noid Roid (7:48:21 PM): I thought I was still down at the end when I sat out and had 1500+ on the table rOwdychOwdah (7:48:30 PM): ahaha rOwdychOwdah (7:48:43 PM): wanna throw up at that point Noid Roid (7:49:00 PM): really wanted to throw up 30 minutes in Noid Roid (7:49:09 PM): was getting destroyed rOwdychOwdah (7:49:12 PM): yeah rOwdychOwdah (7:49:19 PM): im gonna have to look through the hands when im not playing Noid Roid (7:49:33 PM): some pretty terrible plays in there Noid Roid (7:49:39 PM): and a couple good ones rOwdychOwdah (7:49:41 PM): your part? Noid Roid (7:49:45 PM): some of them rOwdychOwdah (7:49:58 PM): bleh Noid Roid (7:50:23 PM): pulled off my patented SC reraise pwnage rOwdychOwdah (7:50:33 PM): weeeee Noid Roid (7:50:46 PM): I only had to risk $300 for it rOwdychOwdah (7:50:49 PM): ahhaahah rOwdychOwdah (7:50:51 PM): blinds? Noid Roid (7:50:54 PM): but it worked rOwdychOwdah (7:50:55 PM): as in rOwdychOwdah (7:50:56 PM): in the blinds Noid Roid (7:51:07 PM): nah my SB vs a button raise Noid Roid (7:51:25 PM): http://www.pokerhand.org/?992758 Noid Roid (7:51:39 PM): pretty sure he had AQ Noid Roid (7:52:20 PM): though it could have been a float, with him hoping I had 1010-KK Noid Roid (7:52:26 PM): people do that sometimes rOwdychOwdah (7:52:48 PM): gahdammit Noid Roid (7:53:46 PM): ouch rOwdychOwdah (7:54:08 PM): i think i value tptk too much Noid Roid (7:54:25 PM): that was a tough spot Noid Roid (7:54:30 PM): niiiice rOwdychOwdah (7:54:34 PM): weee Noid Roid (7:54:52 PM): you should value tptk whenyou reraise AQ rOwdychOwdah (7:55:06 PM): you dont liek that agaiinst an unkownn? Noid Roid (7:55:08 PM): you need PA HUD dammit rOwdychOwdah (7:55:09 PM): had no stats on him yet rOwdychOwdah (7:55:14 PM): bought it the other day Noid Roid (7:55:18 PM): so you know not to rr somebody with QQ rOwdychOwdah (7:55:18 PM): using it Noid Roid (7:55:22 PM): oh cool rOwdychOwdah (7:55:28 PM): had less than 20 hands or whatever Noid Roid (7:55:56 PM): maybe take a small break and datamine? Noid Roid (7:55:59 PM): 9 tables Noid Roid (7:56:07 PM): you're down to 4 on both anyways rOwdychOwdah (7:56:39 PM): ghey Noid Roid (7:56:50 PM): yeah Noid Roid (7:57:00 PM): you should try winning on of those 12 outers Noid Roid (7:57:04 PM): I find that helpful rOwdychOwdah (7:57:09 PM): sometimes it does lep rOwdychOwdah (7:59:35 PM): ok so you suggest datamining this limit rOwdychOwdah (7:59:44 PM): ill fire up some and let it go Noid Roid (8:00:04 PM): I mean rOwdychOwdah (8:00:08 PM): cant hurt Noid Roid (8:00:09 PM): couldn't hurt rOwdychOwdah (8:00:11 PM): find out the regulars Noid Roid (8:00:36 PM): I used to get my 9 tables mining for 20 minutes or so before I started a session Noid Roid (8:01:01 PM): then just get on the waitlists for the tables with the highest ave pot Noid Roid (8:01:57 PM): PA HUD used to be able to request the last ~50 hands the table played as soon as you fired it up Noid Roid (8:02:05 PM): but UB shut that down Noid Roid (8:02:08 PM): that was the nuts Noid Roid (8:03:14 PM): did you just limp the button with 106s? Noid Roid (8:03:19 PM): lol rOwdychOwdah (8:03:23 PM): heh rOwdychOwdah (8:03:28 PM): yeah, should have raised right rOwdychOwdah (8:03:30 PM): jk Noid Roid (8:03:51 PM): if that was a player you want to isolate with that hand Noid Roid (8:03:54 PM): otherwise fold rOwdychOwdah (8:04:21 PM): on bellingham now too rOwdychOwdah (8:04:30 PM): got some tables datamining Noid Roid (8:04:46 PM): cool rOwdychOwdah (8:04:47 PM): my comp is a viriied out so i cant do too many w/o it killing my 6 year old processor Noid Roid (8:04:59 PM): yeah mine too Noid Roid (8:05:14 PM): I had 777 hands on you now rOwdychOwdah (8:05:22 PM): thats a lot Noid Roid (8:05:35 PM): still holding fast at 23.5/12.5 rOwdychOwdah (8:05:41 PM): dammit Noid Roid (8:05:41 PM): 2.4 total agg rOwdychOwdah (8:05:44 PM): im trying to bring that up Noid Roid (8:05:54 PM): 2 on flop Noid Roid (8:06:07 PM): 4 and 3 respectively onturn and river Noid Roid (8:06:12 PM): which is strange rOwdychOwdah (8:06:15 PM): that is Noid Roid (8:06:52 PM): you're only folding to 63% of flop bets rOwdychOwdah (8:07:04 PM): lol rOwdychOwdah (8:07:05 PM): i suck Noid Roid (8:07:07 PM): those are some splashing around number Noid Roid (8:07:08 PM): s Noid Roid (8:07:30 PM): I fold to 72-75% I think Noid Roid (8:07:44 PM): with like a 9 agg on flop rOwdychOwdah (8:08:12 PM): so c-bet everything Noid Roid (8:08:25 PM): 70-75% Noid Roid (8:08:36 PM): check really bad flop textures Noid Roid (8:08:44 PM): and really loose opponents Noid Roid (8:08:59 PM): you're cbetting 60% Noid Roid (8:10:07 PM): I really like the Folds to Flop Bet stat btw rOwdychOwdah (8:10:28 PM): as an indicator? Noid Roid (8:10:29 PM): you should at least have that, vpip, pfr, and agg on your HUD rOwdychOwdah (8:10:37 PM): yeah i just got the defaults now rOwdychOwdah (8:10:52 PM): vpip, flop agg, hands, pfr Noid Roid (8:11:33 PM): then I also to attempt to steal blinds, folds to blind steal, went to showdown, won at showdown, agg by streets, cbet % Noid Roid (8:11:48 PM): your attempt to steal blinds is only 20 Noid Roid (8:12:01 PM): you should be playing your position more I think Noid Roid (8:12:14 PM): like what did you rais utg there rOwdychOwdah (8:12:21 PM): AhJh rOwdychOwdah (8:12:33 PM): that dude is 19/15 rOwdychOwdah (8:12:34 PM): pz Noid Roid (8:12:43 PM): okay, that's on the low end of what I raise there rOwdychOwdah (8:12:48 PM): ohdamn Noid Roid (8:13:15 PM): fold your A10's or worse and SC's more often than not Noid Roid (8:13:23 PM): too hard to lay out of position rOwdychOwdah (8:13:34 PM): ill raise no gappers like 40% of the time to open, no good? Noid Roid (8:13:39 PM): but raise them all day on the CO or button rOwdychOwdah (8:13:47 PM): ok Noid Roid (8:13:56 PM): all day in LP Noid Roid (8:14:05 PM): q9o 96s etc Noid Roid (8:14:09 PM): lots of stuff "

4/13/2007 7:50:11 AM

Quote :

"rOwdychOwdah (8:14:19 PM): ok rOwdychOwdah (8:14:27 PM): yeah i def. think im not playing position enough Noid Roid (8:14:52 PM): and don't call out of the blinds with anything worse than your raising utg with rOwdychOwdah (8:15:12 PM): yeah thats a hard habit to break Noid Roid (8:15:15 PM): an occassional call with Axs or SCs is okay with a multiway pot Noid Roid (8:15:28 PM): but generally you want to fold them Noid Roid (8:16:01 PM): or you can 3bet someone who's stealing too many blinds rOwdychOwdah (8:16:01 PM): so you're folding ATo here Noid Roid (8:16:07 PM): yes rOwdychOwdah (8:16:14 PM): guy is 60/4... weird Noid Roid (8:16:22 PM): station rOwdychOwdah (8:16:25 PM): not welsh, m0ngo rOwdychOwdah (8:16:26 PM): yeah Noid Roid (8:16:40 PM): I think I've played that guy heads up rOwdychOwdah (8:16:45 PM): welsh is 13.5/9 rOwdychOwdah (8:16:47 PM): which Noid Roid (8:16:52 PM): mongo rOwdychOwdah (8:17:05 PM): flop agg factor of 0.67 rOwdychOwdah (8:17:07 PM): station indeed Noid Roid (8:17:12 PM): yup Noid Roid (8:17:34 PM): you can check behind instead of cbetting air against him some rOwdychOwdah (8:17:43 PM): oops Noid Roid (8:18:02 PM): and safely assume that if he leads the turn he has something, otherwise do the delayed cbet Noid Roid (8:18:10 PM): I do that a lot to stations Noid Roid (8:18:32 PM): and of course I'm cbetting any good draw or middle pair+ Noid Roid (8:18:35 PM): for value rOwdychOwdah (8:20:03 PM): fucking hell Noid Roid (8:20:43 PM): he looks like a solid lag Noid Roid (8:20:52 PM): 28/22/7 rOwdychOwdah (8:20:53 PM): he make that riase with just a jack? rOwdychOwdah (8:21:01 PM): valuekill? Noid Roid (8:21:03 PM): I dunno wasn't watching Noid Roid (8:21:06 PM): yeah rOwdychOwdah (8:21:18 PM): ive got him ayt 24/18/19 over 110 rOwdychOwdah (8:21:32 PM): i just had qq Noid Roid (8:21:38 PM): at least you're on his left rOwdychOwdah (8:21:39 PM): on a 89T board rOwdychOwdah (8:21:40 PM): yeah rOwdychOwdah (8:21:51 PM): maybe should have called off rOwdychOwdah (8:22:02 PM): thats a wicked high flop agg factor Noid Roid (8:22:10 PM): it's okay to just switch tables if you're gettin pwnd by a player like that on your left Noid Roid (8:22:17 PM): I do that all the time Noid Roid (8:22:26 PM): there's no need for it Noid Roid (8:22:37 PM): they can be very hard to play against Noid Roid (8:24:13 PM): in position you can trap them though Noid Roid (8:24:20 PM): like welshcorgi just did rOwdychOwdah (8:25:41 PM): boo Noid Roid (8:25:42 PM): lamesauce Noid Roid (8:25:59 PM): guess he was favored on flop Noid Roid (8:26:01 PM): but still Noid Roid (8:26:07 PM): it helps to him a few of those rOwdychOwdah (8:26:44 PM): i assume you mean win Noid Roid (8:26:52 PM): yes Noid Roid is away at 8:27:52 PM. rOwdychOwdah (9:14:40 PM): im pretty sure that ace hud isnt picking up all my hands Auto response from Noid Roid (9:14:41 PM): The years go fast, but the days move so slow. Noid Roid (9:16:05 PM): your PT $numbers are off? Noid Roid returned at 9:16:05 PM. rOwdychOwdah (9:16:18 PM): yeah rOwdychOwdah (9:16:21 PM): and i know its missing a few hands Noid Roid (9:16:28 PM): ooh, nice 777 rOwdychOwdah (9:16:33 PM): yeah, didn tlike the river, ahah rOwdychOwdah (9:16:50 PM): specifically rOwdychOwdah (9:17:01 PM): i lost a preflop AI with KK earlier, and it has me at 100% with KK rOwdychOwdah (9:17:11 PM): and by earlier, like an hour and a half ago Noid Roid (9:17:51 PM): hmm rOwdychOwdah (9:18:13 PM): import is showing it hasnt updated sintce 8:55 either rOwdychOwdah (9:18:19 PM): no no new hands since Noid Roid (9:18:34 PM): try closing the HH and reopening it Noid Roid (9:19:03 PM): and click the Automatically Reopen HH Window button in preferences for the hud Noid Roid (9:19:12 PM): under the UB section rOwdychOwdah (9:19:37 PM): ok rOwdychOwdah (9:19:37 PM): damn rOwdychOwdah (9:19:44 PM): it only imported 4 hands Noid Roid (9:20:06 PM): UB's HH can be buggy rOwdychOwdah (9:20:21 PM): oh well Noid Roid (9:20:39 PM): I've had it randomly just stop fetching hands a couple times Noid Roid (9:20:46 PM): in long sessions rOwdychOwdah (9:20:54 PM): yeah rOwdychOwdah (9:20:55 PM): thats what happened rOwdychOwdah (9:21:00 PM): i mean rOwdychOwdah (9:21:04 PM): my db has me at like 500 hands now rOwdychOwdah (9:21:08 PM): ive got more than that just tonight Noid Roid (9:22:55 PM): I have 1079 hands for you rOwdychOwdah (9:23:01 PM): :-\ Noid Roid (9:23:05 PM): +$56 Noid Roid (9:23:07 PM): woo rOwdychOwdah (9:23:11 PM): heh rOwdychOwdah (9:23:16 PM): i say 578 at -32 Noid Roid (9:23:40 PM): I'm not 100% sure whats going on with it rOwdychOwdah (9:23:47 PM): ;-) Noid Roid (9:24:14 PM): are you up or down from the $500 you started with? rOwdychOwdah (9:24:25 PM): way down rOwdychOwdah (9:24:32 PM): heh rOwdychOwdah (9:24:35 PM): at like $300 Noid Roid (9:24:35 PM): oh rOwdychOwdah (9:24:36 PM): weee rOwdychOwdah (9:24:43 PM): that $109 sng was dumb Noid Roid (9:24:49 PM): heh Noid Roid (9:24:50 PM): yeah Noid Roid (9:25:23 PM): are you up since you moved to .10/.25 after the first day? rOwdychOwdah (9:25:28 PM): goddamnit rOwdychOwdah (9:25:33 PM): it stopped updating again rOwdychOwdah (9:25:42 PM): i dunno Noid Roid (9:25:51 PM): try closing the hud and reopen it Noid Roid (9:26:04 PM): oh noes a minraise rOwdychOwdah (9:26:10 PM): yeah rOwdychOwdah (9:26:14 PM): only had tptk again Noid Roid (9:26:24 PM): prolly a good fold Noid Roid (9:26:50 PM): well keep up the good work Noid Roid (9:27:02 PM): later rOwdychOwdah (9:27:17 PM): pz rOwdychOwdah (9:27:18 PM): thanks man "

then also keep in mind that im trying something new here.

i've gone all the way down to .10/.25 in order to build up a game correctly.

it's sorta humbling, and sorta embarassing really (and i dont know why that is)

but it can only help i think...

learn the game from the ground up, and do it right over the course of several tens of thousands of hands...

4/13/2007 7:50:45 AM

yo noid i'd like to take you up on your offer of datamining me too if you wouldn't mind, why do you rec 6 max instead of 10? plays more to the aggressive player obviously, is this why you prefer it?

4/13/2007 8:06:19 AM

btw

if anyone has questions about acronyms, or anything that was mentioned

throw it out there


i'd really like to get this thread back to open discussion, it can only help us all

[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 8:40 AM. Reason : e]

4/13/2007 8:39:23 AM

i'm actually really intrigued by the idea of playing 6 max. for some reason i always shyed away from it, thinking it was better to get in more hands per blind, but now i think i might've been thinking about it the wrong way. 10 handed you're a lot more likely to run into a real hand, so perhaps by playing a real agg style you can dominate a 6 handed game, seems like that's why noid has been doing.

4/13/2007 8:56:03 AM

watching noidroids evolution over the years has been interesting

from tight as all hell bonus whoring full ring 10 handed nl, to solid lag monster on 6max.

he really has developed the best knowledge and true understanding of the game of anyone that i speak or play with regularly.

maybe tons of study and a few hundred thousand hands can do that

from my short stint thus far (~1200 hands this week) it appears as if the best players at these games are about 20 vp$ip with a pfr mirroring their vp$ip, and a way high flop aggression factor.

naturally, comming from a limit side, that seems way tight, but thats my limit mindset kicking in...

in sh lhe, you must get wayy looser in order to keep up with the blinds commng around so fast.

in nl, its not really a big deal to miss a few rounds of blinds by folding....

thats a tough thing to change your entire mindset on

4/13/2007 9:04:16 AM

so i was thinking lp raising standards would drop way down at 6max, but you're saying that's not necessarily the case? or are you referring more to spots where you'd normally want to limp and take some flops in lhe?


also, does he multi-table?

[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 9:09 AM. Reason : lkj]

4/13/2007 9:08:35 AM

if you read our aim conversation,

he's promoting being wicked open with raising standards late

ive been rasing 0-3 gapper suited connectors, any suited ace, any two face cards, any suited king with 8+ any suited queen with 9+

that may be too open,

but im trying to bring my pfr% up, and start playing position more, seems to be ultra important

[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 9:14 AM. Reason : he 4 tablels i do believe]

4/13/2007 9:14:11 AM

yea, that's what i would expect...i also wouldn't want to multi-table playing 6 max, are you playing more than one table at a time? how are you doing at the 25max tabls?

4/13/2007 9:15:23 AM

im doing 2 tables, ub software is wicked fast

plus, im actually trying to pay a ton of attentioin to honing my PAHUD and really get a feel for how those stats effect the players actions..


so after a few weeks ill prlly bump to 3.

at the 25nl, ive made some bad plays, and cant hit a draw while not being able to dodge a draw.

however, I am positive, which, was due in large part to a nice run last night where i just had this one guy's number.

i keep bluffing off my stack oop though, so thats cool.

actually, i think at about 10bb/100, which, considering how horribly ive been playing, is pretty good

I dont have accurate stats yet, my pt kept not updating, and im missing about 600 hands from either a.)not running it, or b.) not realizing it wasnt updating.



also,

ive dropped down to 2 monitors....

my computer really has just taken a dump on itself and my sound card, 2 video cards are all shot, and ive got a wicked infestation.

it's a far cry from 16 tabling full ring lhe or 20/180s like i used to do

[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 9:23 AM. Reason : e]

4/13/2007 9:21:07 AM

vp$ip ?
pahud?
Noid Roid (7:55:18 PM): so you know not to rr somebody with QQ ?
How the hell do you guys get all this data?
agg?

[Edited on April 13, 2007 at 9:43 AM. Reason : ]

4/13/2007 9:35:18 AM

Quote :

"vp$ip ? pahud? Noid Roid (7:55:18 PM): so you know not to rr somebody with QQ ? How the hell do you guys get all this data? agg?"

vp$ip is volunarily put $ in pot. essentially is the percentage of hands that you call or raise preflop. chekcing from the bb doesnt count towards vp$ip, since it was involuntary.

PAHUD - Poker Ace Heads Up display.. A software package that runs int he background coinciding with poker tracker.... poker ace reads the constantly updating hand history for ultimate bet, and parses into a text file for poker tracker to read, on update intervals (i run once a minute).. then poker ace queries the db created by poker tracker for essential details that you determine are of importance to know about your table, and displays the other players stats for you. essentially, pahud overlays a skin over the seats or beside the names with a list of numbers, that are located at your discretion.. you pick which stats ot look at for each player, and it is constantly updated from the updating pokertracker database. justin uses about 10 stats per player, right now, im only using like 6. the numbers are color coded at your customization for different levels of danger, green, yellow, red, etc.

works for most sites.

Quote :

"Noid Roid (7:55:18 PM): so you know not to rr somebody with QQ ?"

that was justin saying i should have been looking atmy pahud stats to know not to reraise from the sb with AQ against somone who ended up holding QQ... on a queen high flop i doubled him through..

he was trying to saythat i should have known not to rr (or to always rr) due to someones vp$ip and pre flop raise percentages.. you can assign ranges to what people are doing with these numbers.. pretty reliably..

if somone has a vp$ip of like 20, but a preflop raise percentage of like say 0.5%, if he's raising, i should prlly dump AQ there oop in a multiway pot.

Agg is aggression factor..

the formula for it is all convoluted and crazy, but essentially is a means of seeing how aggressive a player is on each street...

thus far mine has been all wonky and gross, but im trying to get to where justin is at like

highest, high, bit lower, for flop, turn, river.... currently i seem to be lowest, highest, middle...

but ive been semibluffing ont he turn or playing weak oop on the flop a lot thus far...

agg factor help make decisions on how strong to play your hand, and esp, if you are slow playing... or calling thin.

poker tracker is the heat david.

why not take every advantage you are given?

4/13/2007 10:04:11 AM

Ok, so what software do I need to download?

4/13/2007 10:18:46 AM