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3/9/2017 4:42:40 PM

my message is real, you just may need to get your parents or maybe an old reporter to read it


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3/9/2017 4:42:41 PM

lol, nm.

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3/9/2017 5:16:45 PM

3/9/2017 5:52:25 PM

I'm not joking, that was definitely linear A

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3/9/2017 6:09:09 PM

Who is the person that called Kyle Washington transferring and has been right on a few items?

3/9/2017 8:13:13 PM

Half the posters on the board called KW transferring, need more info than that

3/9/2017 8:20:40 PM

^^ me

I was the first to mention it was going to happen and did so before anyone on pp as well. It's all good tho. I kind of felt bad about passing along that and the thing about the martins transfer without my friend who gave me said info knowing that i did. Given that id just talk about it on here and not PP, i figured at best 50 people will see it. I told him thatd id post the gott stuff on the board and he didnt care.

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3/9/2017 8:36:18 PM

No it was me.

3/9/2017 9:02:40 PM

Word

3/9/2017 9:18:17 PM

Goodman was interviewed on packpride basically saying Yow was going to fuck us bad in this search.

3/9/2017 9:35:21 PM

"The Wolfpack finished 15-17 to post back-to-back losing seasons for the only the second time since the ACC was formed in 1953 (N.C. State had five straight losing seasons, from 1992 through 1996).

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/nc-state/state-now/article137159203.html#storylink=cpy"

FAIL

3/9/2017 10:45:47 PM

We may end up with a nobody from this coaching search but at this point I'll take the gamble over what very likely would have been another season in the gutter under the G man. If the next coach is a disaster hopefully the next AD will fire them and find someone better.

[Edited on March 9, 2017 at 11:59 PM. Reason : ATTN users with >= 1000 posts]

3/9/2017 11:55:41 PM

Sun Devil was an asshole to Sandman over the Kyle Washington stuff in that thread. He says he was drinking and it was nothing personal and apologizes. Must have been a game night...

3/10/2017 12:14:25 AM

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"Goodman was interviewed on packpride basically saying Yow was going to fuck us bad in this search. "

legit question...what is it about Yow that gives her a negative reputation?

3/10/2017 7:20:23 AM

^^ all good man.

3/10/2017 7:26:04 AM

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" this moron is legit, but when I pass along very specific info 3 times from my friend that is proven correct within a short period of time, my friend is not. "

Nobody fucking believes a word jibbles posts dude.

But props for actually posting something instead of quoting that same shit for like the 73535th time.

[Edited on March 10, 2017 at 8:07 AM. Reason : ]

3/10/2017 8:06:27 AM

has it been confirmed that it is jibbles?

3/10/2017 8:21:43 AM

^pretty much.

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"legit question...what is it about Yow that gives her a negative reputation?"

She has a reputation of being very difficult to work with and for fucking over athletics departments. This goes back to her time at Maryland. Maryland fans still hate the shit out of Yow because she allegedly mismanaged funds, etc. and really messed up the finances of their program before she left. If you read anything from this search that goes up on the general Reddit /r/collegebasketball sub you'll see Maryland fans just popping in randomly to say how much they hate her and hope this blows up in her face to end her career disgracefully.

To add onto that, she also has a very public feud with former Maryland coach "Sweaty" Gary Williams. She publicly alleged that he was the one who "sabotaged" our last coaching search by back channeling with potential targets persuading them not to come. He denied those claims and said he's got better things to do basically.

Her overall reputation is that she is very results-oriented and difficult to work with because she'll straight up can your ass if you don't win, regardless of circumstances, future potential, or prior performance. Firing Gottfried mid-season just adds to that impression of her.

3/10/2017 9:48:55 AM

I don't believe shit out of a Mary Lander's mouth.

And that last statement ^ sounds like a typical boss.

3/10/2017 10:14:23 AM

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"has it been confirmed that it is jibbles?"

He's not even trying to change up his posting style.

Some examples:

Uses the words 'fellas' a lot:

http://brentroad.com/message_search.aspx?type=posts§ion=2&searchstring=fellas&username=jaybee1200&usertype=match&sortby=date&sortorder=descending&page=

http://brentroad.com/message_search.aspx?type=posts§ion=2&searchstring=fellas&username=insiderncsu&usertype=match&sortby=date&sortorder=descending&page=

Profile probably has some clues also, but not sure he thought it through that much.

Mods, please do something about this asshole. He's in here blatantly trolling with his morse code bullshit. It's kind of funny, but show a little consistency please. He was initially suspended for the same stuff he's doing with this new username.

3/10/2017 10:26:04 AM

i find your posts about him more annoying than his posts.

3/10/2017 10:31:47 AM

Insider=Batmane

3/10/2017 10:33:05 AM

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"She has a reputation of being very difficult to work with and for fucking over athletics departments. This goes back to her time at Maryland. Maryland fans still hate the shit out of Yow because she allegedly mismanaged funds, etc. and really messed up the finances of their program before she left. If you read anything from this search that goes up on the general Reddit /r/collegebasketball sub you'll see Maryland fans just popping in randomly to say how much they hate her and hope this blows up in her face to end her career disgracefully. To add onto that, she also has a very public feud with former Maryland coach "Sweaty" Gary Williams. She publicly alleged that he was the one who "sabotaged" our last coaching search by back channeling with potential targets persuading them not to come. He denied those claims and said he's got better things to do basically. Her overall reputation is that she is very results-oriented and difficult to work with because she'll straight up can your ass if you don't win, regardless of circumstances, future potential, or prior performance. Firing Gottfried mid-season just adds to that impression of her. "

i get that. and i'm not trying to stick up for DY because the dislike for her may be justified for all i know. but my issue with this is the last paragraph (results oriented, etc) sounds like the majority of bosses/ADs. if you don't win games, there's a good chance you'll get fired. that's not exclusive to Yow. and i'm aware of the stuff with her and Gary Williams...i guess i was just looking for any insight into why they have/had such a strained relationship. like - was she just too hands on and involved in the day to day activities of certain teams? i could certainly see why a coach wouldn't like that. or what, specifically, are the issues that make her hard to work with (i'm not asking you, just in general i mean).

3/10/2017 10:47:02 AM

^^^SHOTS FIRED

3/10/2017 10:53:06 AM

I'll try to clarify based on what I've read. I get that with most jobs if you don't perform, you're fired. That's fair and logical.

In coaching / AD circles there's a professional courtesy involved. A lot of ADs have been players and/or on coaching staff themselves. Part of this is looking at things that may be seemingly extraneous (players transferring, injury, tough schedule, etc.) that may be able mitigate poor performance. You see a lot of coaches sticking around for years despite poor results. Sometimes they end up getting it right after a while and build momentum. there are a lot of people in that camp - that coaches need 4-5+ years to really be fairly judged.

The impression that people have of Yow is that she doesn't give a shit about any of that and basically only looks at the win/loss column. She doesn't protect her coaches. This isn't my personal opinion, and I'm not trying to debate the practices/assumptions there. I think it's clear in our situation that Gott lost control of the locker room and there's been something going on for sometime with the disproportional amount of player attrition that we've had (most in the ACC except for teams with coaching changes). However, this isn't the narrative that gets clicks on articles and the national media wants to make us into a spectacle.

3/10/2017 11:00:57 AM

^ i gotcha. and i guess, regardless of whether or not her reputation is deserved...if it's the impression some candidates have of her that could curb their potential interest in the job without ever really giving it a chance

3/10/2017 12:15:02 PM

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"i find your posts about him more annoying than his posts."

Right, you're probably friends with chinstrap. Friendstrap.

3/10/2017 1:27:53 PM

What the heck is being jibbles. I'm not a troll. Just passing info. Why do some ppl get so whiny and others don't? Some ppl like me posting what I hear. Just block me if you don't like it.

3/10/2017 8:57:26 PM

so rumors are flying that this will wrap up pretty easy compared to previous searches, getting either Keatts or Wade, depending on how the first weekend of the tourney plays out.

Miller is just about out, partly b/c Dayton can match what we will offer

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3/10/2017 9:04:43 PM

I'm glad you don't know how to spell Keatts

3/10/2017 9:18:06 PM

Lol I was lazy and guessed, poorly I suppose

Wait, I meant to say WHAT DO YOU MEANNNN

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3/10/2017 9:22:19 PM

Keats or Wade would be good for me. I heard we pulled our offer to Archie because he couldn't come through in his tournament.

3/10/2017 10:22:57 PM

Who gives a fuck who we get

3/10/2017 11:16:44 PM

Some chinstrapped Tennessee fan, for one...

3/10/2017 11:53:10 PM

If these rumors that Marshall has asked for $5 million a year are true.....and then it comes out we were too cheap to pony it up....I may never recover.....

3/11/2017 12:18:39 AM

I assume you're donating AT LEAST $100K a year to the program

Also attn users w/ less than 30 posts....

3/11/2017 12:36:33 AM

5 million is an atrocious amount of money...

3/11/2017 6:40:54 AM

If it is true that they are asking 5 million dollars to coach in State, it is only because they are not really interested and have no balls to come and risk their careers in highly competitive ACC.

3/11/2017 7:39:27 AM

$5M is insane, but if Gregg came here and turned State back into a powerhouse, he'd be worth every penny. I donate my tiny amount each year and I don't want us being financially fucked by a bad hire, but damn it would be amazing to hire a big name and actually become a consistent top-25 team. If $5M is what it takes and we can afford it, then go for it.

3/11/2017 10:35:27 AM

You don't pay Gregg Marshall $5 million/season. He'd be making more than Bill Self and Sean Miller, do you REALLY think Gregg Marshall has the resume to demand that much money?

Building Wichita State up and building NC State up are entirely different challenges.

Gregg Marshall for $5 million/year or Will Wade for $2.5 million/year, that's not even questionable who you pick. Wade by a LANDSLIDE.

Marshall: 9 seasons, 5 tournament appearances, 1 rd of 64, 2 rd of 32, 1 sweet 16, 1 final 4. 2 conference tournament championships, 5 conference regular season championships.

Take away the Final 4 year and that's just a "solid" resume for a mid-major. I agree the Final Four year was big, but let's be honest, that resume doesn't command $5 million for a mid-major coach. I was on board at $4 million, but I don't want to bankrupt our athletics department for a guy like Marshall that hasn't proven he can coach in a P5 conference.

You pay $5 million/season you better be damn sure the coach you get isn't just a homerun, it has to be a grandslam.

3/11/2017 10:52:25 AM

Plus $5mil means 6 when you factor in assistants

And we CANT afford it. We just renovated Reynolds and have a few other building projects in works.

Well weren't planning to need a new bball coach this year, if you recall

3/11/2017 11:11:02 AM

LOL at we cant afford it. That's a lie. 2nd Largest booster amount in the nation.

and LOL at it being down to 2 people, that's a lie.

3/11/2017 12:19:04 PM

Marshall for 5mil would be worth it.

The problem is Marshall isn't asking us for 5mil to become our coach. He wants us to offer him that so he could go back to the Koch's and ask them to give him a raise to like 4.2mil to stay in Wichita

3/11/2017 12:45:50 PM

Just offer Archie the highest number we can go to. If he turns it down, at least you tried. Don't. Lose out on Archie because you could get Wade for less

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3/11/2017 12:57:27 PM

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"LOL at we cant afford it. That's a lie. 2nd Largest booster amount in the nation. and LOL at it being down to 2 people, that's a lie."

I'm pretty sure if we could afford it, we would pay it. It's not some issue where we've decided to pinch pennies instead of putting a winning basketball product on the floor. We were strapped for money the last two bball searches and alare able to open up the purse strings more this time. Partly due to adidas giving us more. But that doesn't mean we can afford 6MM for a bball coaching staff (which doesn't even guarantee that we get Marshall).

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3/11/2017 1:05:41 PM

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"LOL at we cant afford it. That's a lie. 2nd Largest booster amount in the nation. and LOL at it being down to 2 people, that's a lie."

lol captain bad take disagrees with me. You cant seriously think we have the 2nd largest booster "amount" in the nation. I dont even know what that means, dollars, people or something else, but either way, we arent 2nd.

We arent even 2nd in the ACC:
http://www.hokiesports.com/hokiescholarshipfund/
(from 2014, but still)

Also, this is from 2015, but:

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/

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"43 North Carolina State"

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3/11/2017 4:21:56 PM

It's not just about being able to afford it, it's about the actual value we're paying.

Yeah we could offer Archie $5 million and he'd probably run to NC State for that much money. Is he worth that much? Absolutely not. Is Gregg Marshall? I'd say no.

Marshall and Drew are probably the closest things on our radar that are close to "sure fire" hires, but even then, I wouldn't be shocked if either flopped here. Marshall is going from being the big fish in a small pond to an average fish in a really big pond. I'd actually say Drew is a safer investment than Marshall because Drew was able to build a P5 program from basically a death penalty into a consistent top 10 program.

Not sure where "down to 2" came from, I hope you weren't insinuating that my comment about comparing hiring Marshall and Wade meant I was saying we were down to those 2. I was simply showing an example. Marshall is just positioning himself for a raise every year, he's already turned down 4.2 million/season, he's not leaving Wichita State unless it's a perfect job(think Duke or UNC).

I'd rather skip on over-paying Marshall just to get him here and focus on guys that are more affordable that we can give more resources to hire great assistants that they want to bring in. Hiring a guy like Wade for 2.5 or Miller for 3 just makes more sense than spending 5 on Marshall. Much better to invest in someone with a lot of upside instead of waiting until someone has basically peaked and paying them when their value is at an all-time high.

I don't see paying a guy like a top 5 coach in college basketball because he got a mid-major to 1 Final Four when there are guys like Bill Self out there making <$5 million/season.

3/11/2017 4:33:41 PM

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" I'd actually say Drew is a safer investment than Marshall because Drew was able to build a P5 program from basically a death penalty into a consistent top 10 program. "

i think that is b/c he is dirty too. He threatened to have a player deported...


as for down to two, i had assumed he was responding to my post, maybe not.

3/11/2017 4:37:12 PM

Are you saying we should hire Bill Self???

Yep, we should hire Bill Self.

3/11/2017 4:54:26 PM