Who has advocated that CC holders should be used instead of police, or should be relied on? People are just speculating that maybe a CC holder could have saved some lives. Other people are convinced that's impossible for some reason.

Quote :

"Thinking a cc holder is more likely to do something stupid rather than be helpful in an active shooter situation is pretty much based in fact."

can you provide some examples of CC holders doing stupid things during active shooter situations?

10/29/2018 3:48:43 PM

I meant doing something stupid in everyday circumstances

10/29/2018 3:54:37 PM

Quote :

"Other people are convinced that's impossible for some reason."

cool strawman bro

i said:

Quote :

"Or said concealed carrier could have shot some dude in a parking space dispute out in the parking lot before the service"

10/29/2018 4:01:46 PM

A CC holder might have saved lives, or might have gotten more people killed, or might have done nothing. It seems pretty clear though, considering how many mass shootings we have, how many CC holders we have, and how few shootings our peer nations have (and other studies), CC holders don't really impact shooting events as a whole in this country.

It's just a fun hobby for an individual to partake in, if they choose.

10/29/2018 4:09:43 PM

so no instances of active shooter situations where a CC holder tried to be a hero and ended up making things worse?

10/29/2018 4:10:20 PM

There are plenty of instances of concealed carry shooters starting the mass shooting, so I would say they made the initial situation worse

10/29/2018 4:16:41 PM

Number of lives saved by ccw < number of lives ended

10/29/2018 4:26:08 PM

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/02/shoppers-pulled-weapons-walmart-shooting/

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-dallas-chief-20160711-snap-story.html

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/vegas-cop-killers/cost-bravery-vegas-bystander-died-trying-stop-rampage-n127361

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/29/us/philando-castile-shooting-diamond-reynolds-settlement/index.html

10/29/2018 4:49:10 PM

I'm not sure the last one fits with your theme.

10/29/2018 5:06:35 PM

Quote :

"There are plenty of instances of concealed carry shooters starting the mass shooting, so I would say they made the initial situation worse"

there are a number of military and police who start mass shootings. military and police make initial situations worse.

10/29/2018 5:58:30 PM

Yeah, I'm sure CCW holders offer the same benefit to society as cops and military

10/29/2018 6:17:21 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/22/opinion/veterans-and-mass-shootings.html

10/29/2018 6:23:38 PM

And I'm absolutely for better mental health resources for Veterans, what exactly is your point?

10/29/2018 6:25:25 PM

Seriously you're using veteran suicides to defend the need for CCW? Get fucked

10/29/2018 6:26:33 PM

CCW holders are from all walks of life. I didn't realize police and military were the only worthwhile people who were beneficial to society.


[Edited on October 29, 2018 at 6:31 PM. Reason : i'm using veteran mass shooting rates you idiot]

10/29/2018 6:29:18 PM

Jesus you're a moron

10/29/2018 6:31:10 PM

Quote :

"Veterans account for 13 percent of the adult population, but more than a third of the adult perpetrators of the 43 worst mass killings since 1984 had been in the United States military."

[Edited on October 29, 2018 at 6:32 PM. Reason : maybe ex military should be the boogie man you're scared of, not some CCW holder]

[Edited on October 29, 2018 at 6:32 PM. Reason : even though plenty of ex military ARE CCW holders]

10/29/2018 6:31:59 PM

Lol I'm scared of them now? Is that the strawman you're building?

10/29/2018 6:35:41 PM

you clearly have a problem with and/or disdain for CC holders

10/29/2018 6:37:32 PM

I think the average ccw holder is useless in an active shooter situation and that the requirements to obtain one are a joke

10/29/2018 6:44:32 PM

I'm fine with ccw if we radically raised the bar to get one

10/29/2018 6:55:52 PM

Local edition: https://www.wral.com/cary-man-accused-of-making-disparaging-remarks-at-jewish-synagogue-burning-cross/17971049

Quote :

"CARY, N.C. — A man has been charged after police say he made disparaging remarks at a Jewish synagogue and burned a cross. William Josephus Warden, 20, of Cary, has been charged with ethnic intimidation and burning a cross. Officers with the Cary Police Department said the incident occurred Saturday around 10:15 p.m. at the Congregation Shaarei Shalom at 700 Old Apex Road. Police say Warden rang the doorbell of the building and made disparaging statements against the Jewish religion and people of the Jewish faith when it was answered remotely. According to police reports, he also burned a cross, though officials did not say where. The investigation is ongoing. "

11/5/2018 11:16:48 AM

More on this nut job^

https://www.wral.com/warrant-man-accused-of-threatening-cary-synagogue-distributed-anti-semitic-fliers/17991672/

11/13/2018 12:04:47 PM

^^ It's a Jews-for-Jesus synagogue, most Jews wouldn't consider them to be actual Jews. It's like the "rabbi" Mike Pence asked to give a prayer about Pittsburgh and he asked Jesus to help Republicans win.

The fact that this guy went there to be anti-Semitic and not to the actual Jewish congregation in Cary is almost laughable.

[Edited on November 13, 2018 at 12:24 PM. Reason : -]

11/13/2018 12:23:52 PM

^^ know people who are friends with his parents. he’s on the spectrum.

[Edited on November 13, 2018 at 12:37 PM. Reason : .]

11/13/2018 12:37:07 PM

https://www.theroot.com/39-domestic-terrorists-arrested-in-white-supremacist-ga-1830503998

11/19/2018 3:25:48 PM

Quote :

"he’s on the spectrum"

And?

11/19/2018 4:27:45 PM

^Agree. That's not a pass to be a shit.

11/19/2018 11:24:46 PM

1/28/2019 9:31:54 AM

https://www.npr.org/2019/02/20/696470366/arrested-coast-guard-officer-planned-mass-terrorist-attack-on-a-scale-rarely-see

Quote :

"A 49-year-old Coast Guard lieutenant charged with stockpiling weapons and drugs is being described as a "domestic terrorist" who was planning "to murder innocent civilians on a scale rarely seen in this country," according to court documents filed in U.S. District Court in Maryland on Tuesday. Federal prosecutors say Christopher Paul Hasson, a self-described white nationalist living in Silver Spring, Md., was amassing firearms since at least 2017, while cultivating plans to launch a widespread attack on prominent Democratic lawmakers, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and several high-profile television anchors from MSNBC and CNN."

2/21/2019 9:36:57 AM

"stockpiling weapons"... lol

2/21/2019 10:36:46 PM

care to refute it?

2/21/2019 11:00:35 PM

Dude had 15 weapons and ~1000 rounds. That's not "stockpiling" by any reasonable definition, unless you think buying 20 packs of ramen noodles is "stockpiling." 1000 rounds of ammo is, at most, a couple trips to the shooting range. That's just fearmongering towards people who don't know anything about guns.

[Edited on February 21, 2019 at 11:41 PM. Reason : ]

2/21/2019 11:39:22 PM

except he wasn’t planning to go to the shooting range

I know how much you love definitions, so here’s one:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stockpile

he was stockpiling, (or gradually accumulating) weapons and ammo to murder people, and began stockpiling them since at least 2017

2/21/2019 11:47:07 PM

So, in almost two years, he amassed... basically nothing. I promise you that multiple people on this board have far more than what he had. Again, it's nothing more than fearmongering to folks who know little about guns.

2/22/2019 12:33:55 AM

always thought that nothing was just that. nothing.

now I know that 15 of something = nothing

Quote :

"I promise you that multiple people on this board have far more than what he had."

and if they do, they’d have a bigger stockpile than this asshole had

[Edited on February 22, 2019 at 12:56 AM. Reason : glad to know my collection of 15 of the same thing is basically nothing ]]

2/22/2019 12:40:17 AM

15 guns is definitely a stockpile.

2/22/2019 2:01:18 AM

Quote :

" I promise you that multiple people on this board have far more than what he had. Again, it's nothing more than fearmongering to folks who know little about guns."

So there are multiple people on this board with hit lists and the supplies to carry them out. And are also dumb enough to google search a bunch of incriminating things?

2/22/2019 2:03:07 AM

burro is just wasting time until his friends on his darkweb pedo messageboard get online

2/22/2019 2:11:02 AM

If you are willing to consider a couple boxes of boil in bag rice, 8 cans of green beans, 4 boxes of cereal, and some ketchup as a "stockpile of food," then we will consider this a "stockpile of weapons." The fact that this turdbucket had bad intentions doesn't change the fact that this is not an abnormal amount of weapons. Or am I "stockpiling cars" by having two vehicles at my house?

Tucker had two revolvers, 2 shotguns, and 4 hunting rifles and yall are acting like he's got a fucking Cabella's in his garage.

[Edited on February 22, 2019 at 6:12 AM. Reason : ]

2/22/2019 6:07:50 AM

What a stupid argument.

2/22/2019 7:12:46 AM

What a stupid argument.

2/22/2019 7:12:46 AM

Hi it's me the guy that compares the quantities of a consumable product with quantities of a product that you can use, at most, 2 at once and is not consumable.

[Edited on February 22, 2019 at 7:37 AM. Reason : E]

[Edited on February 22, 2019 at 7:39 AM. Reason : If you have more than, I don't know, ?5? guns, you're a weirdo]

2/22/2019 7:37:45 AM

^It's that kind of thinking that is going make you lose the gun control argument every time. 5 guns? Really?

2/22/2019 8:30:47 AM

I would consider 20 packs of ramen noodles or 8 cans of green beans a stockpile, but maybe that's just me.

2/22/2019 8:44:51 AM

this dude had legit terrorist intent and we're arguing over some journalist using the word "stockpiling"?

focus, people!

2/22/2019 9:17:43 AM

burro going to burro.

2/22/2019 9:20:18 AM

if you have 6 cans of beans, 4 packs of ramen, 5 bags of rice, tactical plate carriers, with plates, to carry magazines for your beans and rice, lots of ammo for your beans and rice, a list of people to kill with your beans and rice, then yeah that's a fucking stockpile of food

2/22/2019 9:40:53 AM

Holy fuck what a stupid argument.

[Edited on February 22, 2019 at 9:58 AM. Reason : and this just in, guns = food!!!]

2/22/2019 9:56:14 AM

Yellow journalism is worth calling out every single time. Using inflammatory language about an unremarkable number of items is yellow journalism. That the slapnut who had those items is a racist moron doesn't change that fact.

I've got more than 2 pair of running shoes. I'm clearly stockpiling shoes. Better hope I don't write down a list of people I want to chase. I've got two baseball bats. Clearly I'm stockpiling bats!

2/22/2019 10:13:05 AM