maybe people on here would be pissed the first few years but no one reasonable would be pissed during a coaches first 3 years.

2/16/2016 1:20:20 AM

Archie was a legitimate option once our search got down to the panic letter level. In fact, he may have been our coach if Gott turned us down. The PP dude floated his name iirc the morning of the Gott announcement.

As far as how he would've done, it would've been poor timing for him coming right off the Lowe years. There'd be zero grace period for another former player and he'd have some Herb stink on him too. I think there are very few coaches who would've got that first year team into the tournament and Archie wasn't one of them- it's possible he would have got to them to play at roughly the same level but he wouldn't have rearranged the schedule to get the RPI boost needed as a first timer.

After that, it's anyone's guess. I do think he would've eventually found his feet regardless, especially given what he did last year when he managed to fashion a starting center out of a 6'5 volleyball player walk on, but there are certainly challenges he'd face at our school in the ACC that he doesn't at Dayton.

But he probably would get enough time to figure things out even if the fans turned on him. I mean, it's not like we've been able to get Doeren fired.

2/16/2016 2:29:25 AM

Ok so let's go ahead and get Archie now

2/16/2016 9:28:01 AM

It's incredible how Shaka, Gregg marshall and Mark TTurdgeon all turned us down during the last search. I mean, its not like we compete with Duke/UNC for every recruit. Basketball recruiting is less intense/local than football I would assume ? I'm pretty sure our next search shouldn't be the dumpster fire it was in 2011.

2/16/2016 10:02:18 AM

Gottfried was better than Turgeon and Smart the last 4 years

Marshall is harder to judge since he coaches a mid major

2/16/2016 10:25:42 AM

^ too many lols

2/16/2016 11:07:11 AM

Quote :

"It's incredible how Shaka, Gregg marshall and Mark TTurdgeon all turned us down during the last search."

Shaka could've had basically any job he wanted. He held out for the Texas job...I don't really blame him for that. Marshall is a bit of a curiosity...but he's apparently pretty content coaching at a mid-major, and if that's his thing then I guess we shouldn't be too shocked he turned us down. Although, I recall "rumors" going around about some coach interviewing and showing "too much reverence" to UNC and Duke and that apparently turned Yow off...I might be mis-remembering, but I think everybody thought that was probably Marshall. So it's possible, I suppose, that we didn't really offer him after a poor interview.

2/16/2016 11:27:55 AM

We never offered either Greggggggg or Turdgeon. Turd has done a good job building an extremely talented team this year, but they will flame out in the tourney. His best win was convincing Trimble to not go pro. UMD will be back to average next year.

Greggggggg has already peaked granted it was a nice peak. At least Gott is likeable. Gregg is like TOB without the subtle sarcasm.




[Edited on February 16, 2016 at 8:48 PM. Reason : e]

2/16/2016 8:48:17 PM

For such a "great offensive coach" this is our 3rd straight season of having nothing but iso.

2/20/2016 4:06:51 PM

are you even watching the game?

2/20/2016 4:21:01 PM

yeah, I was exaggerating a bit. We either run a shooter off screens while everyone else stands around or do isolation. Luckily, we dominated the boards after missing a lot of forced shots.

2/20/2016 5:21:33 PM

I actually thought we ran several back door cuts with the Martins that were effective. They either got a lay up or a dish to one of our bigs for an easy dunk.

2/20/2016 6:11:54 PM

yeah, I'm so glad to have the martins. you can tell they have an understanding of each other and I think their understanding of the offense is getting better every game and i look forward to seeing them continue to develop. it would help if we could keep the rest of the guys together around them. a lot of offensive flow comes with continuity.

2/21/2016 12:59:41 PM

as he has managed to do every year here, gott has turned our offense into ncaa-worthy. talent is not the problem.

the problem is that our defense is worse than it has ever been

2/21/2016 7:00:38 PM

Haven't watched us much thus season,i would think the issue was depth yeah?

2/21/2016 7:11:43 PM

No, the issue is that we dont have one average defender on the roster

2/21/2016 7:38:31 PM

I think it is worse than it has been in the past due to depth, but this team should still be better than it is on defense. It seems like when things start going bad offensively (like when the wings start bricking an absurd amount of 3's) the defense totally loses all of its focus and things tend to go from bad to worse at that point.

2/21/2016 7:40:50 PM

we are long and/or more athletic than most other teams at almost every position. if we had decent defensive coaching, we could be a damn good defensive team with this lineup. Gott refuses to play zone and park anya in the paint which should be a no brainer. the man has never heard of any zone besides a basic 2-3.

our defense is too basic. if you play man to man with no pressure and get beat off the dribble then you don't stand a chance.

[Edited on February 21, 2016 at 8:27 PM. Reason : even when he shows 3/4th 1-2-2 they fall right into man or 2-3]

2/21/2016 8:26:32 PM

I disagree with you. The Martins werent great defensive players in HS and havent shown much improvement in that area. Anya is an all or nothing shot blocker. Our best defensive player is probably freeman. Abu's upside is probably as an average defender at the 4 vs a more traditional PF in man or in zone. Thats about it. What we're getting next year in dorn, henderson, and dsj isnt going to help in this area

2/21/2016 8:58:31 PM

We have good defensive players (the martins especially, but also Freeman and sometimes Anya).

But we also have Maverick Rowan, who is terrible at defense and makes the rest of the team worse defensively when he's on the court.

Barber should be a better defender than he is, with all his speed and quickness, but he routinely gets beat.

We aren't ever going to be a decent defensive team as long as Gottfried is the coach. He just doesn't give a shit. I've come to accept that.

2/21/2016 9:03:45 PM

Quote :

"Barber should be a better defender than he is, with all his speed and quickness, but he routinely gets beat."

I would say barber was a better defender when he wasn't having to carry the team offensively like he is this year. Its hard to play hard defense when you need to save energy and fouls.

2/21/2016 9:36:51 PM

Definitely, but I still blame the coach for his "fuck defense" philosophy.

2/21/2016 9:41:58 PM

Barber would probably be a better defender if he could rest ever. Dude has to be struggling with balling out on both ends of the floor for 40 minutes a game.

Rowan is a freshman, and even more he graduated early and enrolled at state so he could play immediately. No one should be surprised that he doesn't have the defensive chops to stay in front of college level players with a few seasons under their belts already. He'll get better next year.

The only truly sad defensive player on the floor is Anya, who can't hedge out on screens to save his life and only blocks shots but sacrifices rebounding for the attempt. We all know he's not committed enough, but I'll take it if he plays like he did against Clemson every game.

2/22/2016 10:00:13 AM

So its idiotic to continue to put anya in hedge or switch positions. Park his ass in the paint

2/22/2016 10:27:30 AM

^^i don't really disagree with anything you said. but it should also be pointed out that gott's teams traditionally just suck on defense. we can make excuses for the players (many of which may be valid), but the point remains that gottfried has a track record of coaching below average defenses.

2/22/2016 11:12:09 AM

^^so we only play zone with Anya in the game?

2/22/2016 11:48:24 AM

Zone would help more than anya. You can hide rowan or anyone in foul trouble, bigs can concentrate on positioning and rebounding, martins can take more risks and our length can be taken advantage of.

2/22/2016 4:00:03 PM

^ I agree. We need to try something.

2/22/2016 8:13:49 PM

they gotta guard us but we don't gotta guard them, PAL

2/24/2016 8:44:23 PM

he stuck with the same shell defense the entire game even though it failed the entire game. let the other team be comfortable.

[Edited on February 24, 2016 at 9:40 PM. Reason : never adjust]

2/24/2016 9:40:05 PM

Say what you will, but an Archie Miller led team would play a lot better defense than any Gott team regardless of talent on either side.

2/24/2016 9:49:01 PM

Roy doesn't play defense for shit and he's got 2 Natty's

2/24/2016 9:51:14 PM

Roy's worst defensive team would be better than Gott's best. They are 33rd in defensive efficiency. We are 143.

2/24/2016 9:55:01 PM

defensive efficiency doesn't mean shit to people on this board. sorry. i already tried.

2/24/2016 9:57:40 PM

Yeah cause he has a bunch of elite recruits. Gott coaches defense more than Roy.

They have 600% the number of McDs AAs that we do. It's a credit we only lost by 12 when we run a 7 man roster with only 2 good players.

[Edited on February 24, 2016 at 9:58 PM. Reason : .]

2/24/2016 9:57:41 PM

those 142 teams with superior recruiting

2/24/2016 9:58:28 PM

probably Lutz's fault or some other assistant coach. oh wait, we only blame assistants in football.

2/24/2016 9:59:30 PM

Fighting Archies at Dayton are 13th for reference. But I'm sure all that A10 talent is the reason why.

2/24/2016 9:59:31 PM

Yeah, because Archie is playing a very tough schedule.

[Edited on February 24, 2016 at 10:00 PM. Reason : A10 is full of lottery picks. You just pwnt yourself.]

2/24/2016 10:00:31 PM

You are impossible to reason/argue with. Never stop TT.

2/24/2016 10:02:19 PM

Its not like Bucknell, W&M, and Winthrop didn't light us up.

2/24/2016 10:06:43 PM

i mean...our defense is bad. and has been for, basically, the entire Gott era. he doesn't do defense. i'm not sure what there really is to argue.

2/25/2016 7:41:18 AM

God bless the faithful few that come in here after games to fight the trolls. You're the real MVPs.

2/25/2016 8:02:37 AM

Guys, the cavalry is coming. The announcers last night said so!

2/25/2016 8:19:59 AM

The team might have sucked it up, but boozie really brought his game last night.

2/25/2016 9:42:25 AM

Saw on PP that Gott was 83-82 at Bama in SEC play and is now 43-42 at State. After 16 years of Power 5 coaching, I think you can truly say he is mediocre.

Look he was a great choice after the failed Sidney Lowe experiment to make us respectable. It is clear we will never be better than a bubble team because defense is optional playing for this guy.

2/25/2016 2:28:15 PM

I've been saying for years we need more PP on this site.

2/25/2016 2:30:56 PM

Either show discontent with having a mediocre coach, or be content with a mediocre program. Some posters show neither emotion.

[Edited on February 25, 2016 at 2:47 PM. Reason : ]

2/25/2016 2:44:10 PM

Jimmy V was 71-69 in conference play

Mediocre coach

2/25/2016 3:26:48 PM

^^ cool false dilemma

2/25/2016 3:33:27 PM