i travel through the mountains & plains quite regularly.

Quote :

"Did you just contradict yourself?"

No, read it again, majority was in terms to a majority of people, not time.

the research is on the last page linked above:
http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?art_aid=120085&fa=Articles.showArticle

from Forrester Research:
"While Apple may boast the glamour device of the smartphone world, the research firm points out that BlackBerry-maker Research in Motion has maintained a two-to-one advantage over the iPhone in market share."

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 3:57 PM. Reason : last page]

2/1/2010 3:57:35 PM

^^So for those people that do, why limit them to an insufficient carrier?

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 3:58 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 3:58:10 PM

Quote :

"most of my travel is for leisure not business, and using edge? that's not 3G"

ok, so are you traveling for leisure more then you stay in your home town per year?

Quote :

"i travel through the mountains & plains quite regularly."

I went to snowshoe, WV for new years. Guess who was the only provider out there?

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 3:58 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 3:58:11 PM

I don't take my cellphone with me on wilderness trips and I usually vacation domestically in vibrant thriving cities.

Who vacations to rural communities? I guess Prospero does.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 3:59 PM. Reason : s]

2/1/2010 3:58:59 PM

Quote :

""While Apple may boast the glamour device of the smartphone world, the research firm points out that BlackBerry-maker Research in Motion has maintained a two-to-one advantage over the iPhone in market share.""

this point has already been covered, go back and read.

2/1/2010 4:00:19 PM

Golovko you are just trolling, congratulations on finding a single remote place that has AT&T coverage.

I actually leave my house on the weekends. I go skiing & traveling through the mountains quite regularly, all while on a MAJOR INTERSTATE. If you had GPS on your iPhone you'd know that you can use 3G all the time finding where to get gas & food, entertainment, etc.

Golovko, I assume you've just run out of excuses to result to such trivial and lame ass comebacks now. The research was not addressed, except by 3 random 'presumptions' all of which only reinforced on why the facts are the facts. RIM by the numbers has a two-to-one advantage over the iPhone. Congratulations on sucking at rebuttals.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:06 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 4:00:28 PM

^lol.

his original post:

Quote :

"you guys are dumb as a brick, learn to read, i can't have a normal debate if you can't learn to comprehend what you're reading. do you research, then come back to have this debate."

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:09 PM. Reason : asdf]

2/1/2010 4:00:54 PM

Quote :

"I don't take my cellphone with me on wilderness trips and I usually vacation domestically in vibrant thriving cities."

Good point. I don't typically need my cellphone when i go backpacking or camping (although edge does just fine for email/phone/texts/etc. I don't typically watch youtube videos while i'm hiking.

Although when i do want to use AT&Ts faster network i'm always in a 3g area. I can remember maybe twice in the last 5 years i've wanted 3g where there was edge. Both those times have been when i've been in the back seat of a car driving cross country, and it really wasn't a big deal. I travel internationally more than that.

Quote :

"If you had GPS on your iPhone you'd know that you can use 3G all the time finding where to get gas & food, entertainment, etc. "

I use the GPS on my iphone on edge and it works just fine for all that, not to mention i have both TomTom and Navigon apps that don't even require data and have all the latest gas/food stops just like a dedicated gps unit built in. Too bad the droid requires data to use their turn-by-turn app, whereas the iphone doesn't. The droid doesn't even support apps that large.

V but he'd still be screwed in places where Verizon doesn't have coverage in the US and outside the US. Whereas with an iPhone as long as you have a dedicated GPS app you can find a McDonalds anywhere in the world without data as long as you have GPS reception.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:09 PM. Reason : s]

2/1/2010 4:03:56 PM

Quote :

"I actually leave my house on the weekends. I go skiing & traveling through the mountains quite regularly, all while on a MAJOR INTERSTATE. If you had GPS on your iPhone you'd know that you can use 3G all the time finding where to get gas & food, entertainment, etc."

It sounds like Verizon is the best fit for your lifestyle.

2/1/2010 4:07:04 PM

Now it's just trivial anecdotal "because I don't do it nobody does it" type of evidence. You guys are hilarious.

^and hence why I use Verizon and Golovko uses AT&T, different carriers for different people. i'm just finding fault in their logic that because they don't travel outside where they live/work doesn't mean other people don't.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:10 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 4:07:20 PM

Why waste so much time trolling, prospero? You aren't even good at it.

Quote :

"Golovko, I assume you've just run out of excuses to result to such trivial and lame ass comebacks now. The research was not addressed, except by 3 random 'presumptions' all of which only reinforced on why the facts are the facts. RIM by the numbers has a two-to-one advantage over the iPhone. Congratulations on sucking at rebuttals."

lol, this is 'trivial lame ass combacks' because i pointed out that we've already discussed something you are trying to rehash? who's the troll now?

Quote :

"I actually leave my house on the weekends. I go skiing & traveling through the mountains quite regularly, all while on a MAJOR INTERSTATE. If you had GPS on your iPhone you'd know that you can use 3G all the time finding where to get gas & food, entertainment, etc. "

I, too, go skiing on the weekends and so far every where i've been I've had service while Verizon customers don't. I know this for fact because one person in the group is on Verizon.

Quote :

"^and hence why I use Verizon and Golovko uses AT&T, different carriers for different people. i'm just finding fault in their logic that because they don't travel outside where they live/work doesn't mean other people don't."

While you only travel to rural areas, others travel internationally quite a bit.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:14 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 4:10:53 PM

Quote :

"Why waste so much time trolling, prospero? You aren't even good at it."

trolling? i present facts, you come back with opinion and anecdotal evidence. please.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:15 PM. Reason : /]

2/1/2010 4:13:34 PM

^facts? lol your opinion is fact now? nice. You rehashed a link talking about RIM having a 2 to 1 advantage over iPhone and now suddenly that clears you of all failed troll attempts.

I'm done now. Come back when your trolling has improved.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:16 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 4:15:03 PM

rehash? no neodata brought back up the topic with his claim that iPhone was catching up to RIM, i was refuting that point again since it's clear he didn't see it the first time.

trolling? no, i want to have a good back & forth debate on research based evidence, clearly something you're incapable of.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:18 PM. Reason : ,]

2/1/2010 4:15:48 PM

http://www.intomobile.com/2010/01/28/att-q4-2009-2-7-million-new-subscribers-2nd-best-quarter-in-terms-of-customer-acquisition.html

Quote :

"It’s AT&T’s sixth straight quarter in a row that they’ve lowered churn, which boggles the mind since the internet is all “AT&T SUCKS DONKEY DICK” and “AT&T KILLS BABIES”. Just goes to show you that a very vocal minority doesn’t represent the true state of the situation."

I guess Prospero is that minority?

Quote :

"The iPhone, the bit you really want to know about, AT&T added 3.1 million iPhone customers in 3 months. Over one third of those people are new to AT&T."

http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2010/01/25/2010-01-25_verizon_to_take_on_att_with_droid_but_att_still_winning_with_apples_iphone_and_a.html

Quote :

"Verizon Wireless is expected to have caught up a little with AT&T Inc in the race for new wireless subscribers, as momentum built behind Motorola Inc's Droid smartphone in the fourth quarter. But thanks to Apple Inc's iPhone and Amazon.com Inc's Kindle e-reader, AT&T is still forecast to have added 1.8 million net new customers in the last three months of 2009, above Verizon Wireless' 1.5 million, according to the average estimate from four analysts polled by Reuters. Nonetheless, that is an improvement for Verizon from the third quarter, when AT&T's 2 million additions far outpaced the 1.2 million at Verizon Wireless, a unit of Verizon Communications Inc and Vodafone Group Plc. "

Why is everyone still going with AT&T then? If the network sucks so much.

V i thought we were still talking about the whole talking on the phone while skiing network thing.



So people only sorta like their black berries.

Quote :

"i find it hilarious too, the article you linked had a huge header image showing data outage on an iPhone."

Exactly. The point of the article was saying despite what the minority (you) think, AT&T is still doing alright, and most people don't really have these issues that a select few have on AT&T.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:25 PM. Reason : s]

2/1/2010 4:18:22 PM

facts on WHAT?

WE WERE TALKING ABOUT RIM VERSUS THE IPHONE, NOT VERIZON VERSUS AT&T!!!

it's quite obvious isn't it? they have the iPhone. those 3.1 new subscribers have no experience on AT&T, how are they supposed to know? even the mainstream media has picked up that some iPhone users are fed up with the service they get with AT&T

good grief, what does your facts have to do with anything about coverage area?

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:25 PM. Reason : edit]

2/1/2010 4:20:29 PM

Quote :

"it's quite obvious isn't it? they have the iPhone. those 3.1 new subscribers have no experience on AT&T, how are they supposed to know? even the mainstream media has picked up that some iPhone users are fed up with the service they get with AT&T"

hahaha, ok i said i was done and i am. Just want to add that someone should go out there and save these people from themselves before its too late!

2/1/2010 4:25:07 PM

opinion:
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/posttech/2010/01/at_the_worlds_largest_high-tec.html

the AT&T criticism is not a local minority, simply put, iPhone users are stuck in contract and/or don't want to drop the device simply because of the coverage or service.

read any news article lately about Apple & AT&T, it's ALL OVER talking about how iPhone users (read: not other people) say how bad their service is.

questions come up from Apple investors wondering if any network improvements are coming from AT&T.

clearly people are concerned.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:32 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 4:27:23 PM

Quote :

"good grief, what does your facts have to do with anything about coverage area?"

I was trying to make a connection about coverage area/quality of network, and users. I'm simply saying despite what the minority of people think about AT&T (coverage/dropped calls/whatever) people are still switching to AT&T and getting smart phones more so than to Verizon. Just because a few people complain about AT&T sucking doesn't mean the majority of people think AT&T sucks. Just like you were saying earlier, just because the majority of people use 3g where they work and live doesn't mean everyone does (sarcasm). But you get the point.

^and again because EVERYONE goes to events like CES all the time. Yes a select few have issues like at big events. Benefits still outweigh the rare occasion when you can't tweet. (They didn't have wifi at CES???)

^still a minority. Go ask 50 people in the street if their iPhone service sucks. I bet you more than half will say it doesn't. No one complains about iPhone service except on rare occasion, but more so than Verizon which is why it makes the news.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:34 PM. Reason : s]

2/1/2010 4:29:12 PM

ok, first of all that research was based on the last 3 months.

the Droid only came out 2 months ago, along with now the Palm Pre & Palm Pixi (this month), along with the HTC Eris. Verizon in the last 2 months has quadrupled their smartphone offering. my guess is come Q2 2010 those numbers will change.

Quote :

"^still a minority. Go ask 50 people in the street if their iPhone service sucks."

http://gizmodo.com/5370493/apple-genius-bar-iphones-30-call-drop-is-normal-in-new-york
seems 30% of iPhone callers in NYC would disagree with you.... granted NYC isn't all of the U.S. but i think it's a PRETTY BIG PROBLEM.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:38 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 4:34:53 PM

^^one other problem with your correlation is that it does not specify who is switching from where. are those 1 million new subscribers coming from Sprint? are they coming from Verizon? for all we know 90% of the new Verizon subscribers could be coming from AT&T, while 60% of AT&T new subscribers are just new cell phone users.

it DOESN'T tell the whole story. you can't just say the numbers are up so there must not be a problem.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:42 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 4:41:00 PM

^^That's probably true. I still tether too much to want to deal with Verizon's slow 1.5mbit speeds on EVDO. Until they upgrade and offer more dual GSM/CDMA phones I couldn't imagine switching.

haha that sucks for iPhone users in NYC. I'm glad I don't have that problem here.

^true. I'm sure there's a statistic out there somewhere for that. Most people i know who switched to AT&T did it for the iPhone though.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:42 PM. Reason : s]

2/1/2010 4:41:45 PM

Prospero, it sounds like you should stick with Verizon.

2/1/2010 4:43:04 PM

LTE (4G) is getting rolled out this summer for Verizon, i'm not worried.

If you are frequently needing it for business I can understand being on a GSM carrier, I just can't imagine why it's needed if 99% of your time is spent in the U.S.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:51 PM. Reason : ,]

2/1/2010 4:45:14 PM

Sounds like you're happy to be a Verizon customer. It seems like you chose a carrier that fits your needs well.

2/1/2010 4:49:13 PM

Quote :

"Quote : "Notice that the iPad ISN’T bound to AT&T like the iPhone is" not sure what press-conference you were watching. if you want 3G on the iPad, so far it has to be with AT&T. READ THE NEWS, even unlocked iPads CANNOT use T-mobile's 3G network."

There is only 1 report indicating this, that's being rehashed by the rest of the Internet, so I wouldn't be so sure this is the case.

And the T-Mobile band supposedly not being supported by the chipset isn't binding it to ATT. The iPad, unquestionably, is not bound to ATT, I don't see how you could argue otherwise.

The fact that ATT currently might be the best way to get an iPad is a different story.

2/1/2010 4:51:57 PM

^^sure as hell beats picking a carrier based on what phone they offer.

^based on what's announced, of course that can always change.

Quote :

"UPDATE: we have had some questions on the compatibility of the iPad with T-Mobile. To clarify: the announced specs of the iPad do not include support for the 1.7Ghz/2.1Ghz AWS standard that T-Mobile uses for their 3G network in the USA. However, it should be compatiable with the (non-3D) GPRS/EDGE network that T-Mobile also offers. So, it appears that you can connect an iPad to the T-Mobile network, but it will not get a 3G connection, and will run much slower than the AT&T or other GSM networks. This is, of course, assuming that the specs of the iPad do not change between now and product availability. "

from the link posted on gizmodo:
http://gizmodo.com/5458423/unlocked-or-not-your-ipad-wont-be-able-to-use-t+mobiles-3g-network

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 4:57 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 4:53:40 PM

It sounds like you decided that the best choice for you was to find a carrier first and then choose a phone. I think its great that you know yourself well enough to choose something that satisfies your desires.

2/1/2010 4:56:35 PM

I'm on AT&T because I've been on a family plan on AT&T. I pay $45/month for unlimited data/text and roll over minutes. To each his own, but in my case what I'm paying and the fact that maybe once a month I might not be able to get my push email at a football game far outweighs getting a worse phone, halfing my download speeds, having almost no international coverage, and paying twice as much on Verizon. That's where I'm coming from.

2/1/2010 4:58:50 PM

^^well you know i do pay them for a service... and since that's 90% of the cost incurred over 2 years, it's really the logical choice.

^it's all about what you use most. i'd say if you look at the number of people that max out their bandwidth, the number of people that tether, and the number of people that spend a MAJORITY of their time overseas, it's still in the minority. if GSM was really needed for a majority of people then CDMA wouldn't have the most subscribers in the U.S.

also with LTE coming to BOTH Verizon & AT&T, when 4G gets rolled out the speed differences will be nil.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 5:04 PM. Reason : ,]

2/1/2010 5:00:24 PM

Sounds like you made the most logical choice based on your needs and your situation.

2/1/2010 5:03:46 PM

^^^^^
http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/

The iPad does support 2.1 Ghz UMTS.

2/1/2010 5:10:27 PM

Well when an android phone comes out that is more usable than the iPhone I'll consider switching. I'm just not happy with the Droid, or any of the other android offerings at the moment. That paired with the fact that none of my friends or I with the iPhone have any issues with AT&T. I thought this thread was about the ipad.

2/1/2010 5:10:27 PM

^^from the comments: "as I said in the story, the incompatibility is with the T-Mobile 3G network, which uses frequencies of 1.7 and 2.1Ghz. The iPad would work with T-Mobile on their GPRS and edge network, but not with 3G. The same problem occurs with the iPhone, so it is no surprise that the specs are identical."

T-Mobile uses a radio frequency band (1700 MHz) for 3G connections that is unique in the world

^^^Which I'm sure neodata & golovko have as well. What we're discussing (this may have gone over your head Solinari) is what a majority of people's situation and/or needs are. I'm sorry if you confused this discussion for something it wasn't.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 5:19 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 5:14:52 PM

I'm just gonna go ahead and say I want an ipad. So when everyone has one and they're like the coolest thing ever I won't feel stupid.

2/1/2010 5:30:04 PM

at least it will stimulate the economy.

i can't tell you how many times in the last month i've heard while flying, "please turn off all electronics, including ipods, laptops, and kindles..." i honestly never thought i'd hear "kindle" on an airplane. but i think it was like the hottest gift this Christmas, since then seeing at least 1-2 kindles per flight.

while i don't think it will capture the low-priced 6" kindle, i think it will eat into the higher-priced e-reader market

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 5:36 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 5:33:48 PM

Quote :

"What we're discussing (this may have gone over your head Solinari) is what a majority of people's situation and/or needs are. I'm sorry if you confused this discussion for something it wasn't."

Sounds like you think that you know what's best for the majority of people and feel that you know their own needs and situations better than them.

2/1/2010 5:41:46 PM

Sounds like you weren't following the thread.

I'm glad you like to put words in other people's mouth. Which have been your last 5 posts.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 5:47 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 5:46:00 PM

Solinari is cracking me up.

Quote :

"while i don't think it will capture the low-priced 6" kindle, i think it will eat into the higher-priced e-reader market"

Have you ever tried reading on an LCD screen? IPS or not it's still going to burn and make you cry.

2/1/2010 5:49:44 PM

Quote :

"Sounds like you weren't following the thread. I'm glad you like to put words in other people's mouth. Which have been your last 5 posts."

It sounds like you are still reeling from the pile of pwn I just delivered to your doorstep. It seems like you might be a little mad. u mad?

2/1/2010 5:52:01 PM

you think too highly of yourself, i'm clearly not upset but calling you out on your presumptuous postings.

2/1/2010 5:55:08 PM

Quote :

"^it's all about what you use most. i'd say if you look at the number of people that max out their bandwidth, the number of people that tether, and the number of people that spend a MAJORITY of their time overseas, it's still in the minority. if GSM was really needed for a majority of people then CDMA wouldn't have the most subscribers in the U.S."

are you some how saying the rest of the world has it wrong and Verizon is in fact the leader of service among other carriers? Because Verizon is stuck in the stone age that makes it ok because its Verizon and we all <3 verizon.

Quote :

"i can't tell you how many times in the last month i've heard while flying, "please turn off all electronics, including ipods, laptops, and kindles..." i honestly never thought i'd hear "kindle" on an airplane. but i think it was like the hottest gift this Christmas, since then seeing at least 1-2 kindles per flight."

I have yet to hear anyone mention a kindle anywhere...or even see one in person. When on a flight I do hear switch off iPods, iPhones etc, and occasionally be sure your iPhones or electronic devices are in 'airplane mode'

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 5:57 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 5:55:32 PM

nope, that's not at all what i'm saying.

i flew united and us airways this last time. one of the flights just said, turn off everything with an on/off switch, we don't care if it has an airplane mode, turn it off!" it gets pretty humorous.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 5:59 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 5:57:21 PM

So tell us, Verizon spokesperson, what are you saying? If we've elected you to speak for us all we'd at least like to know what it is you're saying.

2/1/2010 5:58:30 PM

it's obvious that none of you aside from possibly neodata has done any research of your own. you just assume all the evidence i've posted is just my opinion even though they are OTHER people's numbers and research. you trust nothing and nobody except for your own anecdotal evidence.

if you can't learn or read on your own, this discussion has no point moving forward.

2/1/2010 6:09:15 PM

back on track:
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/02/ipad-sdk-holds-hints-of-video-calls-handwriting-keyboard.ars

showing some more promise... although none of this was presented in January.

i think i've met my Tdub posting quota for the month.

[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 6:13 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 6:11:11 PM

Quote :

"i'm clearly not upset but calling you out on your presumptuous postings."

claims the man who's pretending to know what's best for everyone on AT&T

2/1/2010 6:25:21 PM

i'll answer your troll with other people's opinion's again.

Quote :

"The annual results from over 50,000 readers surveyed in 26 U.S. cities found AT&T to have the lowest customer satisfaction rating in 19 of them, while Verizon ranked highest (that undoubtedly stings AT&T)."

http://mashable.com/2009/12/01/att-dead-last/

and again you're wrong. this has nothing to do with what i'm saying, merely pointing you to the sources.



[Edited on February 1, 2010 at 6:32 PM. Reason : .]

2/1/2010 6:27:19 PM

Surprisingly, the internet contains a lot of information and a lot of opinions. One can essentially look for just about anything to support their theory and find some internet site to post as "other people's opinions"

Quit hiding behind the internet. Grow some damn balls.

2/1/2010 6:36:18 PM

Quote :

"back on track: http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/02/ipad-sdk-holds-hints-of-video-calls-handwriting-keyboard.ars showing some more promise... although none of this was presented in January."

I can't imagine handwriting recognition being more efficient or faster than the touch keyboard.

Quote :

"i'll answer your troll with other people's opinion's again."

for the record i completely agree with Prospero. AT&T has a lot of work to do and a lot of people have shitty AT&T service. I was simply stating that I'm one of the lucky ones that is happy with AT&T service and for me it's better than Verizon. The biggest reason being I pay half what I would pay on Verizon because I stayed on a family plan.

2/1/2010 6:38:38 PM