a miniscule preflop raise on a .10/.25 blind structure isn't going to drive out anyone, 5 people called it. you tried to slow play and got caught. You had a chance to raise preflop not once, but twice and didn't take advantage of it.

there was probably what, $5 in the pot after the flop. So you face a $3 bet, a call, and decide to raise to 16?

The only thing you could have accomplished is to drive out the flush draw. But to do so, you put $13 at risk to win ~ $11. When 6 people see a flop, you need to be a bit more conservative about throwing money around.

Top pair, top kicker wasn't the best hand. So when your excessive reraise gets reraised again, you may want to think hard about laying it down, rather than losing another $19.

12/29/2004 10:15:38 AM

^pretty much put them on ace/kicker, and thought the king would take it. ^you make a good point though, but i ended up pot commited.

12/29/2004 10:30:35 AM

Yea you didn't play that one well at all.

In Internet poker I have learned that when you are sittin at a full table where people are always loose (occasionally you get tight players) it basically comes down to what you have after the flop. Its great if you can pre flop isolate people because then you know you stand a very good chance at making some money, but in your average low blind internet table this just doesn't happen as often as it probably should.

But the biggest red flag should have been 5 people calling. That leaves a pretty good probability that the 4 is floating around out there somewhere and if I were you I would have kept a low profile first to try and feel if someone else had them.

But without knowing how people at your table were playing this analysis is pretty null. Sit there long enough and you'll get a feeling for if that guy was bullshitting or not.

12/29/2004 10:37:20 AM

^^both of them? lesson learned I hope.

And you weren't pot committed. that's one of the lamest excuses for poor play in poker. You could have laid your hand down and saved $19. Yeah, it sucks you would have to throw away $13, but you were hardly commited to that pot.

12/29/2004 10:59:27 AM

Quote :

"Just kind of a shitty hand, not only did one person call the preflop raise, both the other 4's were in the hand. Seriously, one shows 7/4 suited, the other A/4 off. "

This will happen, I guarantee it. There are some people who absolutely must see a flop "just in case" they get two pair or a set with that 3/8 off suit, or call anytime they have a suited high card, even if its Q/2. If you want to minimize the chances of getting burned by someone getting ridiculously lucky, I'd suggest FeebleMinded's strategy.

Play tight at the start. Watch for those calling with shitty preflop hands. Observe the tight players who actually fold preflop. Most important, determine who will chase to the river and who can lay down a modest hand. Bottom line, if you know someone will call a 7/4 suited preflop, don't be afraid of putting them on a set even if it is a 4. It doesn't matter if its bad poker, b/c they'll do it anyway.

Loose players like these, I agree, are the most annoying and most dangerous to deal with. I try to place a large bet sometime early in the game before the flop to get an idea of how much people are willing to pay with to see flops with "bad hands." That way, should I run across QQ or something good, I have an idea of how much I need to bet to make people fold crappy hands.

Such a strategy is best suited for tournaments I think, and I'm still testing it to see if it works. We'll see hw it does in the tournaments this spring.

12/29/2004 11:12:13 AM

I have been playing a lot of 7 stud tournies as of late, taking a break from no-limit, and I gotta say, I really am enjoying myself. Here are the big perks I have found:

1. I can play tight for a LOT longer without blinds (or in this case, antes) taking a huge bite out of me.

2. Only 8 people in a tourney, and top 3 place. Granted, payouts aren't the best, but your odds of placing are greatly increased.

3. No horrible beats. Yes, sometimes people do get lucky and give me "bad" beats, but usually, I can see these materializing and I have time to get out of the hand.

4. People will chase, and it is very bad to chase in 7-stud, because often they are chasing a flush or straight when you have already boated up on 6th street.

These are a lot less stressful (and yes, when I am playing online at a $200 no-limit table I do get very stressed). These tournies are strictly about playing the odds, and most importantly, watching the board for cards that have already been exposed. I will be totally honest, I have never played much stud except for a few low-limit cash games last year, but I am doing VERY well by simply making sure I don't chase (unless there are lotsa outs) and I pay attention to how people bet. I think in 12 tournies I have placed in 9 so far, and 6 of those have been first.

12/29/2004 12:51:30 PM

7 stud is great. Not many people that play it actually know how to play. You'll still get sucked out on, but solid stud players do very well.

12/29/2004 4:15:26 PM

OK, here's my question for all the Hold 'Em pros out there, am I stupid for doing this?

I was playing a house game with some friends and a couple relatives, a typical $10 buy in game, nothing too serious, $.05 and $.10 blinds. I'm in the big blind holding K/J suited. First few people just limp in, then there's a puny $.30 raise which is called all the way around to me. I figure most people are just holding mediocre hands so I raise it $1.00 to build the pot and chase a few crappy hands out. Only 3 people out of 8 called the $1.00 raise which is about what I was hoping for, one of which is my rich uncle who just calls any bet preflop. Flop comes J, 6, 2 (all of which are different suits, thus eliminating flushes from my concern for the time being). I figure I'm probably up against a few people that were suited and were looking for the flush on the flop or they were holding a face card or two. I hit my top pair and have the 2nd highest kicker so I'm feeling pretty good. By this hand, I was chip leader by far, I was sitting on $45 from my original $10, so I thought I should scare everyone out with my chips and just win the pot while I could before I let a Queen or an Ace come out on the turn or river. And if someone called my all-in bet, I figured I was in pretty good shape to win, cause I was only worried about one hand...A/J. So I go all-in and figure I'll just take the $4-$5 pot while I can. First two guys fold, but sure enough, my crazy uncle calls with $25 of chips. I'm thinking OMG what an idiot, I'm going to take his money. We flip our cards and sure enough, he flips A/J, and the turn and river don't change anything. I lost about $30. My brother immediately tells me I'm an idiot for going all-in with K/J. Was it really that stupid of a move in that situation?



[Edited on December 30, 2004 at 1:51 AM. Reason : .]

12/30/2004 1:49:01 AM

i would have made a strong bet here instead of the all in, say the size of the pot... it would drive out about the same hands an all in would have, but it would allow you to learn if someone believes they have a strong enough hand to call, or if you got a reraise as your uncle may have done then some whistles should be going off. A reraise from him would show he has that top pair top kicker, or even a pair of QQ, KK, or AA since he called the large raise preflop (if he was slow playin), or he could have hit a potential set after the flop... I'm just never a fan of going all in without putting out a decent bet and finding out some info from it.

12/30/2004 2:02:36 AM

that's a good point man. i appreciate that.

12/30/2004 2:11:11 AM

anytime...

12/30/2004 2:17:56 AM

the point to be made here is that a few dollars bet can save you a bundle and don't be afraid to lay down your hand if you get reraised.

with the J hitting there was just too many hands that beat yours that warranted a raise of essentially 5x the pot.

12/30/2004 2:30:16 AM

yeah normally i wouldn't try to pull that kind of crap, but i was feeling like a pimp and having fun pushing people around with my monsterous pillars of chips. that's really good advice that you gave me, which i'll definitely remember for next time.

12/30/2004 3:58:02 AM

As everyone else has said, instantaneous bets of "all-in" after the flop are really never good unless you are just really serious about chasing away draws. But like you said, there were no draws out there. So in retrospect, here's what you accomplished: you put $45 at risk for a $4 pot. One of two things will happen now. Yes, you might win the pot and take down the $4. Whoop dee doo. On the flipside, the ONLY caller you will get will be one with either AJ, an overpair (AA, KK, QQ), 2 pair, or trips, all of which have you dominated. So you are either going to lose $45 or win $4. That is absolute horrible odds.

That is the whole point of a "feeler" bet. The pot is $4, so throw a $5 bet out there to see if you get any callers (or raisers). If your uncle calls, he probably has the J... who knows what kicker. He really doesn't sound like the raising type, so maybe if he calls, alarms should go off that he may have you beat. If he reraises big, then maybe think about folding. It is always tough to play the "guess the kicker game".... he might be on QJ, KJ, or AJ. But although you do have top pair, your hand is still fairly mediocre in comparison to what others might have. There is no point in losing your entire stack because you felt it necessary to play this hand.

12/30/2004 1:33:52 PM

Quote :

"the point to be made here is that a few dollars bet can save you a bundle and don't be afraid to lay down your hand if you get reraised. "

Two things, just wanted to reiterate myself about a 'feeler' bet.

But, if you get re-raised then this is where it can get tricky and the person history of playing can tell how you should continue in the hand. You said your rich uncle would see any flop but you didn't indicate if he is really a loose player in general or if he is pretty smart about poker. In a situation like this (feeler bet that gets re-raised) it really comes down to sheer fortitude and a good feel of your opponent.

12/31/2004 12:31:48 AM

yeah, you should always take into account the playing habits of your opponent. but you also want to take into account his position at the table, and the fact that there are two more rounds of betting.

Top pair, second kicker isn't exactly the hand you want to be recklessly throwing chips at. If his uncle re-raises, unless you just know deep down the guy doesn't have shit, you really want to consider laying it down. He was going to be forced to act first two more betting rounds.

What can he do in that position? Do you check on the turn after calling his reraise? Then your asking to get an even bigger bet forced down your throat. Do you make another feeler bet, hoping he was semi-bluffing and you can drive him out? Or you could bet big and continue putting chips at risk.

12/31/2004 10:13:44 AM

Shut up, John. You suck at poker.

1/1/2005 5:43:07 AM

Played the qualifier tournies at Goldies Grill in Chapel Hill Monday. Had a good time, met MsWuf and got to wish her a happy birthday at midnight. Sucks I lost both my last all-ins on the river, when both would've probably got me to the last table (I finished 9th and 14th).

Yes it was a free tournament, but here's my good call and bad call of the night:

Good call: Dealt AK suited, raised like 5x the blinds, one caller. Flop is A, A, Q. He bets, and I hesitate for about 10 seconds before calling. Next card is a 3 and he goes all-in, and I call and as expected see him with a Q with a 9 kicker. He gets pissed and says "Why the hell did you hesitate to call me?" I almost laughed at him, and instead replied "B/c I knew you'd think I had nothing." Looking back, he deserved to lose his stack for calling a 5x raise with a Q, 9 offsuit (he was not one of the blinds).

Bad call: I let my pride get the best of me when a guy two spots to my left went all-in pre-flop for the 2nd time in as many hands. I'm sitting with QJ suited, and know he guy went all-in last hand with Q-3 offsuit. [user]MsWuf[/b], who was sitting next to me, agreed with my initial assessment that the guy actually had something this time. With so many hands out there that could beat me I knew I shouldn't call, but I had a hunch he had a pocket pair not large enough to slow play, so I called him. I figured at best I double up on a coin flip and have a great shot at winning (this is early on in the 2nd round), and at worst I lose and play short stack for a while.

He turns over 10's, which I later calculated made him a 52-48% favorite. I of course lose when he picks up a set on the flop, but I did outlast the guy and made it to the final two tables before being eliminated on KJ suited vs 6's.

[Edited on January 5, 2005 at 9:42 PM. Reason : black chips suck]

1/5/2005 9:41:38 PM

^ still bitter i see ... but it was a good time none the less.
last night i played with some hoe poop head that told me she was "a grown woman" after i asked to quit slinging the cards off of the table. i was like, "thanks for clearing that up for us." two cards went flying, but neither was seen so she kept dealing. bitch that nice young lady must have wanted me to slap her weave off give her a lesson in poker etiquette.
that's my best poker story of the week.

[Edited on January 5, 2005 at 9:56 PM. Reason : ]

1/5/2005 9:52:53 PM

was at the sahara in vegas a couple of days ago and our 2/4 table flopped A, A, 8. two guys max out. turn is a 7. max out again. at this point the table's getting excited because the bad beat was at 9 grand. river was some card that didn't matter. max out again. they flip 'em. A7 and A8. our table sounded like we were playin craps. A7 gets $3600. A8 gets 1800. rest of the room gets 90 a piece. yay for free money

1/6/2005 4:39:28 AM

I am trying to figure out why A7 was reraising after the flop. Maybe call, but reraise... so many hands beat him.

1/7/2005 12:24:05 AM

Sorry I couldn't represent tonight guys. There was a minefield of players at the Raleigh Elks Lodge tonight that hadn't a clue what they were doing. I made a bad play on one hand and took a shot at stealing a pot shortly after. Lost when my A9 suited was taken down by KJ suited. Finished 13th, figured if I wasn't going to be the stack leader I didn't want the agony of playing short stack to bad players....

1/7/2005 12:51:05 AM

^^ A7 was in 7th position and A8 was in 8th position. Everyone checked to A7 and he bet, A8 raised, everyone else got out so he might have been testing the waters with the re-raise. Also, table was extremely loose since it was 2/4.

1/7/2005 3:25:52 AM

^^ If it makes you feel better, My KJ and I rode your chips to 3rd place. Took the chip lead at the final table, and played way too tight after that.... folded a few hands i shouldn't of, lost my concentration. Wound up busting to the eventual winner when my pocket aces lost to 3 ladies.

1/7/2005 3:43:38 AM

Ladies ALWAYS win! When are you boys going to learn?

...OK, not really ... just when Kim and I play them.

[Edited on January 7, 2005 at 9:15 AM. Reason : ]

1/7/2005 9:14:00 AM

Quote :

"If it makes you feel better"

It doesn't

But good playing man

1/7/2005 11:02:58 AM

I'm getting tired of watching. I'm gonna kick some ass on Monday at 10:30 (provided I get there before all my chips are blinded out)

1/7/2005 5:47:32 PM

I just lost on the final hand of a single table with AA to KK. I had 3500 chips to start the hand, and would have had a huge chip lead.

1/7/2005 6:19:57 PM

$25 PL Hold'em - Saturday, January 08, 15:44:07 EDT 2005
Table Get-Set-Go (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: smshak01 ( $29.65 )
Seat 2: jesterrose ( $63.7 )
Seat 3: thugs9919 ( $60.45 )
Seat 4: holdemking27 ( $26 )
Seat 5: ILS7_ORL ( $31.1 )
Seat 6: ryong ( $14.1 )
Seat 7: CalvinKlien ( $48.2 )
Seat 10: twenty4hours ( $12.6 )
Seat 8: flycoolj ( $13.25 )
Seat 9: jlawn ( $37.8 )
smshak01 posts small blind [$0.25].
jesterrose posts big blind [$0.5].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to jesterrose [ 2h 2d ]
No raising
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, Kd, 2c ]
jesterrose bets [$0.5].
thugs9919 raises [$1].
ILS7_ORL folds.
twenty4hours folds.
smshak01 folds.
jesterrose raises [$4.9].
thugs9919 raises [$8.81].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Jh ]
jesterrose is all-In
thugs9919 is all-In
** Dealing River ** [ Ad ]
thugs9919 shows [ 4d, 4c ] three of a kind, fours.
jesterrose shows [ 2h, 2d ] three of a kind, twos.



No big blind special for me The way he had been playing I figure it was like k-6. I mean he called every hand and bet big on middle pair every time. Freak!................the only time he actually had something it cost me money

[Edited on January 8, 2005 at 4:00 PM. Reason : ]

1/8/2005 3:59:15 PM

bottom set will surely make you more money than you'll lose in the long run.. but yeah, you can rightly lose your ass on it sometimes

It's just part of the game.. chaulk that up to losing with KK to AA.. not much you can do

1/9/2005 3:47:40 AM

Like I said, been playing some stud... Here's an example of some of the stupidity you'll see. I omitted the checks and folds because these hand histories are kinda long.

***** Hand History for Game 1412681284 *****
15/30 TourneySevenStudHiGameTable (Limit) (Tournament 8537965) - Sun Jan 09
Table Table 11749 (Real Money)
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: ilvhmrs (748)
Seat 2: dchum1234 (667)
Seat 3: ericjj40 (657)
Seat 4: jrbrooks (948)
Seat 5: HBRiverRat (692)
Seat 6: Ogdenlester (788)
Seat 7: TinkTm (787)
Seat 8: TRUERACK (1113)
** Dealing **
Dealt to ilvhmrs [ Jh ]
Dealt to dchum1234 [ Ad ]
Dealt to ericjj40 [ Jd ]
Dealt to jrbrooks [ Tc, Td ]
Dealt to jrbrooks [ Ts ]
Dealt to HBRiverRat [ 6d ]
Dealt to Ogdenlester [ As ]
Dealt to TinkTm [ 8s ]
Dealt to TRUERACK [ 3c ]
TRUERACK bring-ins (5)
ilvhmrs calls (5)
jrbrooks completes (15)
Ogdenlester calls (15)
lvhmrs calls (10)
** Dealing Fourth street **
Dealt to ilvhmrs [ 5c ]
Dealt to jrbrooks [ 3d ]
Dealt to Ogdenlester [ 9c ]
jrbrooks bets (15)
Ogdenlester calls (15)
ilvhmrs calls (15)
** Dealing Fifth street **
Dealt to ilvhmrs [ 6h ]
Dealt to jrbrooks [ 5h ]
Dealt to Ogdenlester [ Jc ]
jrbrooks bets (30)
Ogdenlester calls (30)
ilvhmrs calls (30)
Dealt to ilvhmrs [ 6c ]
Dealt to jrbrooks [ 3s ]
Dealt to Ogdenlester [ Qh ]
jrbrooks bets (30)
Ogdenlester raises (60) to 60
jrbrooks raises (60) to 90
Ogdenlester raises (60) to 120
jrbrooks calls (30)
** Dealing River **
Dealt to jrbrooks [ 2s ]
jrbrooks bets (30)
Ogdenlester calls (30)
** Summary **
Main Pot: 501
jrbrooks balance 1237, bet 212, collected 501, net +289 [ Tc Td Ts 3d 5h 3s 2s ] [ a
full house, Tens full of threes -- Tc,Td,Ts,3d,3s ]
Ogdenlester balance 576, lost 212 [ 7d Ks As 9c Jc Qh 4c ] [ high card ace --
As,Ks,Qh,Jc,9c ]

I have seen a lot of true morons, but this just may be **gasp** the stupidest play ever. If you're too lazy/stupid to read the hand history, I was dealt rolled 10's (ie 10/10/10). As I always do with a great hand on here, I bet it very hard, because people will call with anything... a draw, a pair of 2's, anything. It's great. As you can see, I am raising the shit out of it, all the way to 6th street, when I get reraised. Now, never mind that he is on an all-out bluff. Bluffing is OK, but it is quite obvious I am not laying this hand down, as I keep reraising. I figure he must have hit a straight, and assumed that was good, but of course it wasn't cause I had just boated up.

So 7th street comes, and no help (not that I needed it). Keep in mind that I have only a pair of 3's showing, and I bet the maximum. He calls and doesn't show, but of course I win. After looking at the hand history, he had nothing but ace high. Now, bluffing on 6th street, while a horrible play, was at least not completely retarded. But on 7th street, after I bet, he's sees me with a pair of 3's, has only ace high, and calls? Wow. The only thing I can possibly think of is that he wanted to see what I was betting with, but still, that may be the greatest level of stupidity I have ever seen.

1/9/2005 3:33:46 PM

You should try 5 card stud cash games(I play them on royal vegas poker, not sure who else offers the game)

Shit like that happens all the time, it is amazing.

1/9/2005 7:07:08 PM

Tonight I played at Goldie's Grill at the free tourneys. I started quickly and ended slowly getting worn away by blinds. I'm discovering that in the 2nd half of the games I tend to lose steam, though not due entirely to bad play. Both games I got zero hands to play with, and the few I did play never hit.

As a result, I'm considering some changes in strategy. Namely, I should be using position more often to play "bad hands" either on the button or raising to force out everyone behind me to the button. Also I think aggressive play may be necessary to build a stack that will carry me into the final tables.

I'd appreciate any tournament advice offered, I feel like if I managed to get ahold of a large stack I could use my "reads" to eventually win. Without a stack I've been stuck going all-in with mediocre hands to avoid losing my money to the blinds. At any rate, I'll be tring some different stuff at East Village, b/c after all, it's all free

1/10/2005 2:44:56 AM

I love these idiots on party poker with pocket aces

no matter what the board

call call call call call call call call call

1/10/2005 10:33:59 PM

I love the ones who don't raise preflop and then won't fold after the flop regardless of the board.

1/10/2005 11:50:55 PM

Hahahahaha.....

I had to leave right after the first break during the 7:30 round at East Village. Came back at 9:30, an hour later, and my monster stack had survived the blinds. I came back in time to see my all-in with the big blind manage win, tripling myself up. I lost two hands later however when my 7s surcumbed to Q9, finishing tied for 5th.

1/11/2005 1:08:14 AM

i sucked tonight.. but my first 4 hands were (in order) KK, A9 suited, KK, JJ
i won one of them

1/11/2005 3:19:08 AM

Ummmm, guys........




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1/11/2005 4:17:13 AM

^^^ yeah that was pretty whack, also cool how 4 of us from that table made it to the final table.

1/11/2005 7:13:24 AM

we have hold-em tournaments every monday night @ ruckus pizza and bar. it's free to play, and you can play as many times as you want until midnight. the top 3 chip counts win tons of prizes. monday night drink specials include $1 pbr.

1/11/2005 10:21:34 AM

I won the second tournament at the Tavern Monday night. I totally had a horseshoe up my ass...
I got so lucky a couple of times.
I was big stack about 15 minutes after the break and I used my conservative reputation to my advantage when betting. I was small bling and everyone folded around to me at one point ... I asked the big blind how much he had left (7500), pushed all in, he called and we flipped 'em. He had A10 off and I had a killer 3-8 off. Yeah, totally didn't expect him to call me. I got scared. But, then 8-7-3 came on the flop and it was all over.
I actually got good cards at the final table, but I chose to bet a little out of character.
There was this one guy I had never played with before and he kept asking questions like "Ace, Queen is good, right?" At the point where he was about to bet (being the cocky lil terd head that I am) I said, "How good is that Ace, Queen? Are you going to bet it and let me take your chips?" So he's like, All-In. I hadn't looked at my cards yet. I was annoyed by his questions, so I'm like, "I call." Flipped them and I had pocket Js to his 6-9 off. I wanted to kick him for betting.
Anyhow, I won. YAY!

1/11/2005 11:04:38 AM

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1/11/2005 2:15:43 PM

^ You ever notice how you're the only one who seems to give a damn?

Plus, the good players play these tournaments like it's real money, so a lot can be learned from them. Last I checked, this thread was designed, in part, for just such a purpose, so fuck off.

1/11/2005 4:25:42 PM

Don't even try to compare real money game and play money/free entry games. I'm not bashing free entry games, I plan on taking a protege to a couple, but this isn't the thread for, "I can't believe I lost with AK in a free tourney!! OMFG!!"

This thread was started by a real money player for the purposes of "great poker stories." Play money doesn't qualify. The only reason I'm being a dick is because there are threads for play money stories and everyone knows it. If you're talking about the ncpokerleague, then post in that thread. If you're talking about play money, post in http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=262166. It's not that fucking hard.

(Of course, I understand that you don't feel like a real poker player if you post play money stories in a play money thread, only if you post them in a real poker thread. So, either move up to the real thing or get rid of your fucking pride.)

1/12/2005 12:48:54 AM

Just to get on Greg's nerves I shall post this meaningless hand. Be amazed by my superior card playing abilities.

** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lisas8675309 [ 4s Qd ]
ciune555 folds.
Tha_Masta folds.
nicket111 has been reconnected and has 20 seconds to act.
nicket111 folds.
Borneo69 folds.
SanSiii folds.
dall6298 folds.
wirewraps raises [$0.75].
lisas8675309 calls [$0.5].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4c, 6h, 7d ]
wirewraps bets [$1].
lisas8675309 calls [$1].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]
wirewraps bets [$1].
lisas8675309 raises [$2].
wirewraps raises [$2].
lisas8675309 calls [$1].
** Dealing River ** [ 3s ]
wirewraps bets [$2].
lisas8675309 calls [$2].
wirewraps shows [ Ah, 8s ] high card ace.
lisas8675309 shows [ 4s, Qd ] a pair of fours.
lisas8675309 wins $13.3 from the main pot with a pair of fours.

1/12/2005 5:10:54 PM

why is your name lisa ?

1/12/2005 5:20:05 PM

maybe it stands for landon ian saskopovitz or something.

1/12/2005 5:34:37 PM

OMG I JUST WANT EVERYONE TO KNOW THAT I AM A REAL POKER PLAYER

1/12/2005 5:57:20 PM

David's name is lisa because he has two different PartyPoker accounts. A lot of people still underestimate female players, so he tries to play off that.

And you can't get on my nerves for two reasons, David: 1) I know you and know that you're a solid player that has won thousands of dollars playing poker and 2) I know for a fact that you are scared of the Chinese army that I control.

1/12/2005 6:01:27 PM

get a 6 and a 5 in the hole, then the flop i get 4 7 and a 10(diamonds). start bettin for the straigh, sure enough on the run get a 8(diamonds) am like hell yeah, the first person makes a .50 bet i raise to $1. then on the river is a A(diamonds), after betting the pot gets to $5 and i lose a straight to a flush b.c someone had pocket diamonds

1/12/2005 6:12:51 PM