Detectives search for evidence in order to bring criminals to justice. Ninjas KILL people.

[Edited on June 20, 2005 at 11:45 AM. Reason : Peace, we outta here.]

6/20/2005 11:45:08 AM

Not to be confused with

6/20/2005 11:45:14 AM

they're all information collectors

spies steal information, can be assasins, don't abide by law

ninjas are spies that engage in martial arts, again, laws don't apply

detectives investigate, bounded by the limits of the law, but not by police protocol

cops are just cops that have to abide by the law

[Edited on June 20, 2005 at 11:46 AM. Reason : pirates > ninjas ]

6/20/2005 11:45:26 AM

Private detectives aren't bound by the law (or at least they act like they aren't). I don't care how you try to justify it, ninjas and detectives aren't the same fucking thing, they don't do the same fucking thing, and Batman is not a fucking ninja.

6/20/2005 11:50:03 AM

I'm just waiting for someone to pull out a dictionary.

6/20/2005 11:50:22 AM

6/20/2005 11:51:42 AM

Batman's a masked vigilante who goes farther than the police will to investigate crimes while keeping a sense of invisibility and espionage

he's the ultimate spy and ninja influenced detective pyschologically disturbed and confused maniac

6/20/2005 12:03:33 PM

^^ Great animation


[Edited on June 20, 2005 at 12:04 PM. Reason : ]

6/20/2005 12:03:36 PM

i warned this thread already from deriving into a semantical poo-fest. cmon peeps

6/20/2005 1:30:40 PM

If Batman isn't ninja-like in any fashion, then why does he use batarangs, grappling guns, and wear a mask?

6/20/2005 2:43:25 PM

I didn't say he wasn't ninja-like. I said he wasn't a ninja. But fucking Spider-Man is ninja-like if we go by how far you're stretching the definition of ninja.

[Edited on June 20, 2005 at 2:44 PM. Reason : ...]

6/20/2005 2:44:16 PM

then wtf are we arguing about?

[Edited on June 20, 2005 at 2:47 PM. Reason : oh yeah, Sonia said i said he was a ninja....]

6/20/2005 2:46:45 PM

Batman's ninja-like qualities were greatly exaggerated in this movie to the detriment of his qualities as a detective, yet another deviation from the spirit of the character and another black mark against the movie as a whole. That's what.

6/20/2005 2:47:37 PM

that's b/c ninja's are more exciting than detectives

thus the reason The Pink Panther movie is being pushed back to Christmas (or probably b/c it really sucks on an Inspector Gadget level)

6/20/2005 2:52:34 PM

I just picked up Dark Victory at Foundation's Edge (they didn't have it at Capital Comics).

6/20/2005 3:12:42 PM

The Pink Panther is a comedy franchise, not an action one. Jesus Christ.

6/20/2005 3:18:08 PM

Tell that to the chumps from the claw! Or whatever that lame villainy club is.

6/20/2005 3:21:20 PM

i really really do not remember that scene from Hush

GUESS I HAVE A REASON TO RE-READ IT...

6/20/2005 3:58:02 PM

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"the ending of this movie left the door wide open for the obvious joker sequel. i would like to see them make more movies in the series if they could keep it on par with this one."

(a few pages ago, but I wanted to make my comment)

the ending of the movie tied it together with the first batman movie in 1989 where joker was the villian.

I dont think they should make another batman movie seeing as if they picked up where they left off, they'd have batman, robin, and bat girl (which was gay)

however, since they'll make anything that'll sell, they probably will make another. but what villian would they use? I think it would be absolutely retarded to REDO the old batmans.

also, here's my other dislike with the movie:



vs



he doesnt have a strong enough jaw or something... I dont know...

dont get me wrong, I think he made an AWESOME batman... but he sucked at being bruce wayne:

6/20/2005 4:28:53 PM

That puffy-ass neck. He looks like a bullfrog with a leather fetish.

The ending of Batman Begins doesn't tie in with Burton's Batman at all.

[Edited on June 20, 2005 at 4:31 PM. Reason : ...]

6/20/2005 4:30:33 PM

wait. that ending isnt supposed to. It's setting the scene for its own portrayal of Joker & co.


In fact its kinda critical to seperate this version of the franchise apart from the Adam West, Burton ones, and the GOD AWFUL Joel Schumacher pair.

This idea of 'redoing' the batmans is like stating e that any of these past movies have the patent on the way Batman operates -- which is limiting. Its not like a sequel starring the joker using this version of the franchise is gonna crowd the Burton one at all. They'd hardly even touch thematically or plot-wise , you know that.

[Edited on June 20, 2005 at 4:40 PM. Reason : ]

6/20/2005 4:35:38 PM

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"dont get me wrong, I think he made an AWESOME batman... but he sucked at being bruce wayne:"

I definitely agree that he didn't quite look the part... but I put it down to the fact that this is "Batman Begins", so i figure it's ok if he looks a little young.

My biggest problem is that they weren't able to age him very well. You could see him getting older as his beard grew longer, but as soon as they had him clean shaven, he looked 19 again.

They should have kept him with some 5 o'clock shadow or something to make him look older (and it would tie into him never getting enough sleep...)

6/20/2005 5:30:50 PM

i want to see Black Mask, Zsaz, and/or Clayface in a sequel

6/20/2005 5:39:21 PM

dude

frosh's complaints make me question the movie a little bit

your complaints just make me question your ability to read a thread or watch a movie

6/20/2005 5:40:59 PM

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"The Pink Panther is a comedy franchise, not an action one. Jesus Christ."

hah, you thought i was serious?

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"the ending of the movie tied it together with the first batman movie in 1989 where joker was the villian."

uh...no

in the first batman movie the whole plot revolved around the joker being the guy who killed his parents. he wasn't even the joker in the first movie until batman accidently caused him to fall in the vat of chemicals that bleached his skin white and gave him the equivalent of an overdose of botox in the cheek area. after agonizing over his disfigurement, he accepts it and takes on the joker identity.

at the end of this movie "the joker" is already looting and stealing and is already "the joker" as he leaves his calling card.

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"however, since they'll make anything that'll sell, they probably will make another. but what villian would they use?"

are you really that ignorant?

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"dont get me wrong, I think he made an AWESOME batman... but he sucked at being bruce wayne"

it's Batman Begins, thus Bruce Wayne hasn't matured and grown up to be the well respected philantropist. Right now he's Bruce Wayne the playboy bachelor. But the disguise of Bruce Wayne is there and that's the most important part. The best representation of that was the drunk speech he gave to get everyone out of his house. That scene was so awesome






Speaking of the Joker, anyone know if Jack reaped any profits from this movie too?








Batman Forever was on tv last night/ early this morning. And the first line as Batman is getting ready to leave the Batcave is something like:

Alfred: Can I make you a sandwich, Sir?
Batman: No, I'll get drive-thru.

I got really depressed and changed the channel

6/21/2005 12:56:50 AM

Saw it Sunday night and was really pleased. I thought they handled most parts of the movie really well and left things wide open to take the story in pretty much any direction they want. Scarecrow was still running loose at the end of the film, and they set things up to be able to use the Joker if they wish as the villian of the second film.

They set all the characters up pretty well for an early movie, showing Gordon starting to move up through the police ranks and getting to trust Batman, and I liked the way they developed Bruce Wayne in this movie. I thought Bale was much better as Wayne than he was as Batman in this movie, but then again, the movie revolved more around how he BECAME Batman rather than what he did as Batman. Yes he appears a little young, but then again, the focus was on the earlier part of his life that the older movies and the comic don't really focus on too much. If they make another movie with this cast though I'll go see it. The only one that was better of the old movies in my opinion was the very first, and that was mainly because Jack was great as the Joker in that movie.

6/21/2005 2:24:45 AM

Why does the idea of Batman having a sense of humor bother you, CharlieEFH? In all his 66 years, no matter what changes he has gone through as a character, Batman has always had a sense of humor.

6/21/2005 8:05:38 AM

they just announced on the radio that Warner Bros. has already agreed to do sequels to Batman Begins after the numbers for this weekend's debut were in. Returning will be Bale, Freeman & Caine. Katie Holmes' role will NOT be reprised (prob due to all the Cruise attention).

If I find a link, Ill post it.

6/21/2005 8:14:28 AM

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"Katie Holmes' role will NOT be reprised (prob due to all the Cruise attention). "

Probably because she's a thrown in, unanchored, invented "love" interest who has nothing on Selena Kyle or the hot random chicks Bruce can bang on demand on account of being a motherfucking billionaire.

6/21/2005 8:27:15 AM

No, I think the Holmes role won't reprised due to some combination of her limitations as an actress, criticisms about her appearance, and the nature of her character. Her character helped Bruce mature into the man he is, there's not much room for her character to develop or add anything to a sequel storywise.

6/21/2005 8:31:09 AM

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"they just announced on the radio that Warner Bros. has already agreed to do sequels to Batman Begins after the numbers for this weekend's debut were in. Returning will be Bale, Freeman & Caine. Katie Holmes' role will NOT be reprised (prob due to all the Cruise attention). "

I heard that, too. They're thinking about bringing in Selena Kyle in the next movie

6/21/2005 8:43:04 AM

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"Holmes Dropped from 'Batman' Sequel Christian Bale, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman have signed to star in a second Batman movie, but love interest Katie Holmes has been dropped. Movie bosses are thrilled with the response to Batman Begins - it took $46.9 million in its first weekend at the US box office - and have snapped up the film's stars for a sequel. Bale as Batman was the first to put pen to paper, followed by Caine as butler Alfred and Freeman as Bruce Wayne's business associate Lucius Fox. But Holmes won't reprise her role as district attorney Rachel Dawes - reportedly because Warner Bros is angry her engagement to Tom Cruise has stolen media attention away from the movie. A source tells Pagesix.Com, "Everyone is in agreement that the movie's strength is with Christian Bale, Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman." Adding of Holmes, "She won't be in the sequel... the next romantic interest will be a much stronger actress. Warner is happy that people are now focusing on who'll be playing the Joker rather than Katie and Tom." "

6/21/2005 8:45:04 AM

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"No, I think the Holmes role won't reprised due to some combination of her limitations as an actress, criticisms about her appearance, and the nature of her character. Her character helped Bruce mature into the man he is, there's not much room for her character to develop or add anything to a sequel storywise."

I think Scientology told her not to do it.

6/21/2005 8:46:58 AM

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"the ending of the movie tied it together with the first batman movie in 1989 where joker was the villian."

wrong. the joker was responsible for his parents' deaths in the original Batman, it'd be kinda hard to tie in with that seeing as someone else killed them in this one. and this was taken from the above excerpt on Holmes not being in the sequel:

Quote :

"now focusing on who'll be playing the Joker "

6/21/2005 9:06:55 AM

throughout the movie i never even thought to associate Holmes' Rachel character as a love interest. I think thats b/c she seemed like a sister to Wayne the entire time. She stayed mature about their relationship which I think is great. So kudos for the direction to keep the love crap out for the most part.

6/21/2005 9:29:47 AM

I think it would have been better to have Harvey Dent in her position, which could take the love interest into the whole Gay Knight arc from the comics.

6/21/2005 9:34:04 AM

I saw this at Carmike Cinemas in which they gave you a little Batman Begins handbook when you bought your tickets.

Anyways, in the back is a top ten things you didn't know about Batman:

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"In the comics, Thomas and Martha Wayne weren't killed by the Joker, as shown in the 1989 Batman movie. Rather, a small-time criminal named Joe Chill was responsible for the tragic event that led Bruce Wayne to don the cape and cowl."

6/21/2005 10:10:40 AM

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"I think it would have been better to have Harvey Dent in her position, which could take the love interest into the whole Gay Knight arc from the comics."

Good idea. He was a better friend to Bruce than Invented Chick was.

6/21/2005 10:49:03 AM

Top ten things the Carmike doesn't know about Batman: That Joe Chill bullshit was retconned out decades ago. The murderer of Thomas and Martha Wayne is unknown.

6/21/2005 11:13:24 AM

The other 9 are ???

6/21/2005 11:23:10 AM

yeah really

post em all

6/21/2005 11:52:51 AM

9. Batman stories ran in Detective Comics for seven months before the character's origin was partially revealed, and he didn't receive a full origin story until nearly nine years after his first appearance.

8. As thanks for his years of courageous service, Gotham City erected a giant statue of Batman in the style of the Statue of Liberty in Gotham Harbor that served as a lighthouse. One Gotham businessman built a house in the shape of Batman's head and shoulders. Seems like most everyone has forgotten about that kind of thing.

7. DC Comics let Batman fans decide the ultimate fate of Jason Todd, the second Robin, by calling a 900 number to vote whether he should live or die. This was a completely ridiculous story that culminated in the Joker being named the Iranian Ambassador to the United Nations by Ayatollah Khomeini. As if that's not retarded enough, the Joker attempted to kill the entire UN with poisonous gas, was thwarted by Superman sucking all the gas into his super-lungs with his super-breath, and tried to get away with it by invoking diplomatic immunity. Batman stories are dumb as hell sometimes.

6. With the arguably minor exception of the Bat-nipples, everything Joel Schumacher did with the franchise was drawn from the comics themselves. That includes the giant props, the corny jokes, the outrageously implausible technology, and the big rubbery hard-on gayness. Batman is super queer.

5. While most "modern" viewers look at the live-action TV series of the 1960s as a kind of quaint attempt at Batman that doesn't know how stupid it really is, all of the camp was intentional. The show was conceived as a sitcom parody of the comics.

4. It's a widespread misconception that Harley Quinn, who first appeared in "Batman: The Animated Series" and later was introduced in the comics, was the first character to enter the comics' continuity from an outside medium. It was actually Batgirl, who was brought into the comics after popular acclaim for her on the television series.

3. Though Batman has sworn off using firearms, he still trains himself and his sidekicks to use them—everything from firing to cleaning to using them as thrown weapons.

2. The origin of the Joker as told in Alan Moore's Batman: The Killing Joke isn't considered canonical. The true origin of the Joker is unknown; as a side note, the character of Jack Napier was created for Tim Burton's film.

1. Only a decade ago, the vast majority of Batman stories were either traditional superhero fare or "weird tales" involving transformations, aliens, ghosts, and other material far, far removed from the image of Batman as the "Dark Knight" vigilante that has gained prominence since the 1980s.

[Edited on June 21, 2005 at 12:20 PM. Reason : ...]

6/21/2005 12:19:28 PM

heres my take. as a movie it was good and i enjoyed it. as far as keeping the spirit of the comics, tv show, and the other good movies (the first 2) they took some liberties for sure. thats why its not my fav. and thtas why i say it was a good movie but not the best batman movie

6/21/2005 12:25:35 PM

heh

i like that picture with the thought bubble "oh Robin, what have i done!"

6/21/2005 12:26:10 PM

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"8. As thanks for his years of courageous service, Gotham City erected a giant statue of Batman in the style of the Statue of Liberty in Gotham Harbor that served as a lighthouse. One Gotham businessman built a house in the shape of Batman's head and shoulders. Seems like most everyone has forgotten about that kind of thing."

probably because that's one of the stupidest and most ridiculous things ever and only happens and is appreciated in comic books.

6/21/2005 1:04:37 PM

I know it's stupid. But comic books aren't stupid. Stupid things may happen in them sometimes, but stupid things happen on television, in books, in movies....

6/21/2005 2:09:34 PM

the fact that other stupid things happen does not change the stupidity of the batman statue

6/21/2005 2:20:08 PM

I'm not saying it isn't stupid. I'm saying its stupidity doesn't make it any less a part of the Batman mythos.

6/21/2005 2:21:31 PM

right, and since it's quite obvious that the movie cannot encompass the entire Batman mythos, they probably figured "what the hell, why don't we just leave out all the stupid shit"

6/21/2005 2:24:12 PM

I'm not saying they should've included the fucking statue. Do you not have any reading comprehension?

6/21/2005 2:25:38 PM