imagine being such a privileged piece of shit from such a shit lily white privileged life that you're okay with playing into a fake bullshit trump narrative instead of making republicans own their dangerous rhetoric and racism that is getting people killed - a narrative that republicans were actually losing

we are sending thousands of troops to the border to save us from a group of starving suffering people and building camps to segregate asylum seekers but you're okay letting republicans control the narrative and get more votes and gain more power as long as you can make shit arguments on the internet because none of it impacts you in your privileged protected white life. sad.

[Edited on November 5, 2018 at 2:23 PM. Reason : sad.]

11/5/2018 2:20:12 PM

I'm hispanic you fucking dork.

11/5/2018 2:24:56 PM

yeah sure, you're rich privileged kid who doesn't have to worry about republicans winning and gaining power

trump wants to stop talking about something that hurts and talk about something that gets votes? sign me up! anything as long as i can make shit arguments!

you don't care about people who actually suffer when republicans win offices, and people are dying because of it and it will only get worse



[Edited on November 5, 2018 at 2:33 PM. Reason : rubes]

11/5/2018 2:30:56 PM

You know, the republicans want their opponents to argue amongst themselves, and yall are falling for it. What are you even arguing?

11/5/2018 2:43:07 PM

well...i can't speak for dtownwral...

but I would like to keep my citizenship.

11/5/2018 2:44:18 PM

^^^
wtf are you even talking about? this is a thing that is currently happening and you're saying to ignore it because you think if we don't, it's going to help republicans win? and then you spin it around and say we're the ones who don't care?

holy shit dude

11/5/2018 2:45:34 PM

^^yet you push a narrative that makes that more likely, because you live in a rich liberal enclave where it won't impact you

Quote :

"^^^ wtf are you even talking about? this is a thing that is currently happening and you're saying to ignore it because you think if we don't, it's going to help republicans win? and then you spin it around and say we're the ones who don't care? holy shit dude"

i said the 14th amendment stuff is a distraction (it is, trump was losing the narrative because of the MAGAbomber), then you all started all no it's a real thing reeeeee

not talking about real issues, and instead engaging the issues they want you to (i.e. the 14th amendment stuff) helps them. and you don't care that it helps republicans win, as long as you can complain about it on the internet.


the only good response to the birth right bullshit is to call it the bullshit that it is then talk about real issues

[Edited on November 5, 2018 at 2:50 PM. Reason : .]

11/5/2018 2:46:48 PM

i live in a predominately hispanic area and work with mostly hispanic people you fucking moron, so yes i care about them

11/5/2018 2:50:08 PM

so then why do you want to engage trump's executive order vaporware like it's a real thing, even though it wasn't even made in "good faith" by trump and is a talking point the republicans win?

it's fake and it helps then get votes.

Quote :

"winning narrative: you can draw a direct line from the vitriolic language about the caravan and birthright immigration to the dead bodies in pittsburgh and the 12 bombs sent last week losing narrative: trump says he might issue an executive order to end birthright immigration, let's talk about what that would look like and if its possible and what that would mean. last week the media was on the first one, now they are on the second one and you all are clamoring for more of it"

jesus won't answer how the first one is "ignoring threats" because he'd rather bitch and complain than read a reply





[Edited on November 5, 2018 at 2:55 PM. Reason : republicans are so much better at this than democrats]

11/5/2018 2:52:06 PM

1. there is historical precedence of it being a possibility

2. whether or not it happens, it is inspiring actual hate and violence

Quote :

"republicans are so much better at this than democrats"

yes it is much easier when you don't give a shit about the actual consequences of your words

[Edited on November 5, 2018 at 2:56 PM. Reason : .]

11/5/2018 2:54:31 PM

1. no

2. read the reply i just reposted from the last page and explain how that's not responding to the threat without engaging trump's fake hot air

Quote :

"yes it is much easier when you don't give a shit about the actual consequences of your words"

i'm calling you all out for not caring about consequences

democrats have a really hard time winning immigration related issues when they are the ones framing the question, they lose their ass when they let republicans frame the discussion. the consequence of that is republicans winning votes.

[Edited on November 5, 2018 at 2:59 PM. Reason : .]

11/5/2018 2:56:32 PM

Quote :

"winning narrative: you can draw a direct line from the vitriolic language about the caravan and birthright immigration to the dead bodies in pittsburgh and the 12 bombs sent last week"

This is not a winning narrative. It's nerdy. It's clunky. It doesn't resonate. I read this and I can only hear it delivered in the voice of Professor Frink

A better narrative would be:

-Trump wants to criminalize your very existence.


Because it's true. If you think you can pin him down on his last scandal or outrageous thing he's said without him deflecting and weaseling out to create a new boogeymen to defeat, then you haven't been paying attention to him or his career.

11/5/2018 3:29:16 PM

it was resonating, that's what the news coverage was of the MAGAbomber


for probably the first time they finally stumbled into something that worked. the reason we can't pin him down is because people like you got so easily distracted by trump saying he was going to issue an executive order that he's not actually going to do, and couldn't actually work if he did



[Edited on November 5, 2018 at 3:45 PM. Reason : i've said all this already you just didn't read it]

11/5/2018 3:41:48 PM

It's funny this conversation would have prob died days ago except for Dr's whining about it

He's a deep state plant to keep us from actually discussing removing birthright and instead arguing about whether or not it should be discussed.

11/5/2018 3:52:31 PM

except that if you actually scroll up you'll see it was jesus that brought up his shit argument again today even though i hadn't even posted in this thread in a couple days

and i'm the one who just ended the argument

so troll harder

11/5/2018 4:02:30 PM

Except if you had ignored him it would have been 1 post instead of 13

11/5/2018 4:07:28 PM

no

11/5/2018 4:08:41 PM

Yes

11/5/2018 4:09:39 PM

you were wrong, it's okay to be wrong

11/5/2018 4:10:32 PM

In fact YOU are wrong and i agree its OK, with restitution

11/5/2018 4:11:22 PM

What kind of childish shit is this? Yes, if you ignored it, it wouldn't have gone on for anothre half page.

11/5/2018 4:21:51 PM

Authoritarian leaders always deflect and divert. It's a fundamental component to their strategy. He was going to send troops to the border regardless of your engagement. He was going to float revoking citizenship regardless of your engagement. He was going to make a spectacle of this regardless of your engagement. He was going to encourage his militia groups regardless of your engagement.

You can't ignore it. You have to clearly tell people what they intend to do. They intend to criminalize the existence of brown people.

And if/when there is a physical massacre of migrants/Hispanics, he's going to pivot by harping on antifa so that he can move forward with criminalizing dissenters next. He's already started. You don't say, "baaahhhh akkshually he can't do that because the constitution is very strong." You tell people clearly that he's trying to crush dissent.

11/5/2018 4:22:06 PM

you should watch the news some

Quote :

"What kind of childish shit is this? Yes, if you ignored it, it wouldn't have gone on for anothre half page. "

i've already ended that discussion, you and rwoody are making it go on. why don't you ignore it?

[Edited on November 5, 2018 at 4:47 PM. Reason : .]

11/5/2018 4:46:03 PM

holy shit man, you really act like a spoiled kid sometimes.

11/5/2018 4:53:11 PM

Ignore it

11/5/2018 5:21:53 PM

wouldnt it be great if the president couldnt negatively affect our lives

11/5/2018 6:21:50 PM

SMASH THE STATE!

11/5/2018 8:51:56 PM

lol, Trump said "the democrat plan would obliterate Obamacare"

11/6/2018 12:17:56 PM

Link?

11/6/2018 12:22:04 PM

he tries to save it, but then unsaves it by continuing

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/trump-now-says-dems-will-dismantle-obamacare-if-they-win

11/6/2018 12:32:01 PM

Is this real life? seriously?

11/6/2018 12:32:35 PM

“Leave the bad parts” is a great line.

11/6/2018 12:52:28 PM

jesus this press conference is BANANAS


he's yelling at reporters telling them to sit down, put down the mic, chastising them etc, calling CNN the enemy of the people again. ugly stuff.

[Edited on November 7, 2018 at 12:34 PM. Reason : ]

11/7/2018 12:27:54 PM

He lost his shit as soon as they broke out the Mueller Investigation questions.

The President is shitting his depends right now, I think.

11/7/2018 12:55:00 PM

He just said Nancy Pelosi has "people shooting at her" re:speakership

the internet wackos are gonna go crazy with that. eleusis. since you visit those places, give us a tl;dr of that discussion plz.

11/7/2018 1:04:08 PM

lol when every single foreign reporter starts asking a question he immediately interrupts them saying he can't understand a word they're saying

11/7/2018 1:12:58 PM

Quote :

"Oliver Darcy ?@oliverdarcy "I retired him," Trump says of Jeff Flake. "I'm very proud of it. I did the country a great service.""

+1

[Edited on November 7, 2018 at 1:16 PM. Reason : /]

11/7/2018 1:15:52 PM

I just listened to some. And as usual, I'm saddened (and baffled) that this guy somehow got elected, and somehow has a base of diehard followers.

He was asked about the rise of anti-semitic hate crimes since he was elected. He started off talking about how Netanyahu told him that he's done more for Israel than any other president in history... and then for some reason, while still responding to the question about anti-semitic crimes, he started babbling for a couple minutes about China and its President.

11/7/2018 1:20:24 PM

It's the longest press conference he ever has.

11/7/2018 1:39:08 PM

Acosta out.

11/7/2018 8:28:08 PM

Sarah Sanders is a gigantic piece of shit and the WHCA and specifically Maggie Haberman should immediately grovel at the feet of Michelle Wolf to accept their apology but....

This is so stupid and an obvious attempt to change the press focus. And like always they’ll fall for it.

(As for Acosta, he seems like a smart and decent guy but I have zero fucks to give about his plight).

11/7/2018 8:46:39 PM

Yep. They’re trying to make the narrative about Acosta, and not the extremely corrupt firing of sessions to appoint a stooge to try to further impact the Russian investigation.

11/8/2018 1:23:46 AM

I was thinking Session's firing was for a completely different reason. Trump has a history of doing something "big" when things don't go his way. I was thinking his firing was to move focus from the loss of the House.

11/8/2018 7:45:17 AM

It doesn't really matter WHY

11/8/2018 7:54:43 AM

It’s good for the country Sessions is gone.

But Whitaker seems just as bad, and even worse in some areas.

11/8/2018 9:24:41 AM

I witnessed the conflict with CNN reporter on TV. He's like:" Shut the f**k up!"

11/8/2018 9:54:59 AM

Pretty rich how the WH is now acusing Acosta of “groping” that intern.

11/8/2018 10:06:04 AM

Oh yes, the WH intern...

11/8/2018 10:09:43 AM

They literally doctored the footage and sped it up to make it look like he chopped her

11/8/2018 10:10:18 AM

The projection is just too much. Trump calling people rude and horrible people, and then Sanders insinuating Acosta is some type of predator. I hope JR is facing like a dozen indictments.

11/8/2018 10:16:01 AM