Well apparently there's a bill on the .gov website that is circling around fb and driving the republicans nuts because it's got gun control in it.

[Edited on March 24, 2020 at 5:09 PM. Reason : Gop]

3/24/2020 5:07:31 PM

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"fb"

There's your problem.

Have you looked for yourself?

3/24/2020 5:10:30 PM

Yeah the document is on the .gov website I just saw it

3/24/2020 5:13:30 PM

And?

3/24/2020 5:17:29 PM

Im just trying to confirm that the dems aren't using this crisis to hold shit up for gun control and that this doc is just a draft that was uploaded.

[Edited on March 24, 2020 at 5:24 PM. Reason : S]

3/24/2020 5:23:10 PM

What are you looking at?

3/24/2020 5:25:16 PM

Cuz republicans are going nuts over this right now but it sounds like fake news to me.

3/24/2020 5:25:52 PM

Post the link

3/24/2020 5:28:46 PM

Google “h.r. 748”

3/24/2020 5:33:32 PM

There is pork for abortion though, correct?

3/24/2020 5:33:38 PM

Got a link for that?

3/24/2020 5:41:25 PM

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6817441/House-Democrats-Counterproposal-For-Stimulus.pdf

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=6817883-FINAL-HOUSE-BILL

These are two links I saw one particular conservative twitter page citing today (RTd into my timeline, im not following these idiots). The comments I was seeing about it seemed very much like fake news but i didn’t bother actually looking into it myself

[Edited on March 24, 2020 at 5:49 PM. Reason : The text of the first link looks pretty unofficial to me but idk]

3/24/2020 5:47:07 PM

Can rjrumfel and BanjoMan be more specific about which text in the bill they're concerned about? I'm not reading 1,100 pages.

3/24/2020 5:56:57 PM

https://twitter.com/oilfield_rando/status/1242214528642879497?s=21

This was a tweet thread I saw making the rounds on twitter (it includes specific text from those links I posted above). It seemed ridiculous so I pretty much dismissed it without researching to see what was or was not true. No idea if it’s what anybody itt was referring to.

3/24/2020 6:03:08 PM

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"on the .gov website"

please for the love of allah please stop saying this.

3/24/2020 6:03:37 PM

My understanding is that the House bill contained spending on special interest items that weren't very relevant to the current crisis but that the delay in negotiation resolution has been due to oversight restrictions regarding the Treasury department's $500 billion corporate bailout fund.


On a totally unrelated topic, why are people still taking cruises?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-24/holland-america-cruise-sailing-for-florida-has-87-flu-like-cases

[Edited on March 24, 2020 at 6:08 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2020 6:07:46 PM

A lot of cruises last for a month or longer so many of them left before this whole thing really really got going.

3/24/2020 6:17:20 PM

Simple thing to do is close ports to cruise ships. Make them go to their tax Haven ports of call.

Tough shit if you're an American on one. That or quarantine every single person on the ship. Don't let them go home.

3/24/2020 6:23:31 PM

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/mar/24/donald-trump/trump-campaign-ad-mostly-right-provisions-pelosis-/

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" The House version of a coronavirus relief bill does include several requirements for airline companies that take federal assistance from the bill. • The House bill also includes provisions related to community newspaper pension plans and a $300 million funding boost for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. • However, the bill does not include language on tax credits for solar and wind energy."

3/24/2020 6:48:24 PM

why the fuck is it a good idea for all these stores to close early?

Everyone still has to go to the food shops. Now we have more people-density since the same amount of people have to go in less hours of open...

Whats the logic here?

3/24/2020 9:16:24 PM

What's a food shop??

Grocery stores are remaining open everywhere.

3/24/2020 9:39:58 PM

Publix and Teet closed at 8 by me.

3/24/2020 9:44:39 PM

Any politician in the House or Senate that pushes through their pet belief or project that has absolutely nothing to deal with coronavirus or the effects of it (e.g. economic), is grounds for expulsion in my view, regardless of the party they belong to.

3/24/2020 9:52:26 PM

^^ you can't make it by 8pm?

3/24/2020 10:04:06 PM

Sure, I can make it by 8pm, but my question is why?

The demand for food is inelastic - a grocery store's volume isnt really gonna change on average, because the volume of people it serves is the same pretty much all the time. They have busy and quiet periods over the week, but on a long enough interval they should have about the same sales.

Why now do they need to close earlier (implied reason b/c of covid)

3/24/2020 10:14:58 PM

The grocery stores near me are closing early and spending the time cleaning and stocking. Stocking while closed allows their employees to practice social distancing.

Hopefully you understand the benefits of cleaning.

3/24/2020 10:25:03 PM

Yes on a long enough interval they’ll have about the same sales, although I’d disagree with this right now because people are eating in more and thus demand on grocery stores will go up. However right now there is a spike in demand for product, this necessitates additional deliveries from the central warehouse. Most grocery stores don’t have huge storerooms, in order to restock they need additional time.

3/24/2020 10:27:10 PM

First off they are choosing to close earlier, not directed by government as far as I'm aware.

With restaurants mostly closed, and with people in general consuming more due to uncertainty/quarantines/shelter-in-place orders/potential lockdown orders demand is clearly much higher. The stores are shortening their hours to give them more time to restock shelves and implement new cleaning procedures/sanitize surfaces/the store as a whole.

For a business choosing to curtail their own hours instead of selling more and taking in more money I think it is pretty telling that it is for valid reasons.

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"Stocking while closed allows their employees to practice social distancing."

Yes, and it's not really practical to do mass restocking during business hours.

3/24/2020 10:37:06 PM

We set the high score today

3/24/2020 10:41:03 PM

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" Can rjrumfel and BanjoMan be more specific about which text in the bill they're concerned about? I'm not reading 1,100 pages."

3/25/2020 9:12:51 AM

its not the content its the timing. i dont know why either side cant figure this out.

3/25/2020 9:25:54 AM

https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/stop-the-6-trillion-coronavirus-corporate

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" On Saturday, I went over the Christmas wish list of corporate lobbyists in this process, everything from Adidas letting people deduct gym costs to candymakers seeking a $500 million loan to Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk seeking $5B in loans for their space corporations. Of course what Wall Street sought, and got, dwarfed all of these requests. Here’s how you can tell. A lot of reporters have been talking about how this is a $2 trillion deal, with a bunch of spending for hospitals and whatnot. But last night White House advisor Larry Kudlow announced it is actually a $6 trillion deal. "

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"The cash freeze to small business is already causing a crisis. FTC Commissioner Rohit Chopra made these points on Tucker Carlson last night. First, he noted, small business loan sharks are “crippling cash-strapped companies” with onerous contracts. Second, powerful corporations are using their position to cut off small businesses from supply chains. And third, corporate raiders are planning to buy up these businesses cheap. “Corporate raiders and PE firms are already sharpening their knives,” said one Goldman Sachs associate. And that’s where this legislation comes in. Wall Street, with this bill, will now have $4-6T of government guaranteed low cost credit to go shopping for businesses in trouble. We could see the mother of all roll-ups, as small and medium sized businesses desperately try to get whatever they can from deep-pocketed private equity investors and monopolists. If that happens, America could look like a very different country after this pandemic is over."

[Edited on March 25, 2020 at 10:00 AM. Reason : A]

3/25/2020 9:53:39 AM

today seems like it may be the day when people start realizing that it isn’t just killing old people

already some reports of some semi-known under-60 people dying in NYC and lots of stories of people in their 30’s in critical condition

famous NYC chef who was featured in season 2 of Ugly Delicious died from it

[Edited on March 25, 2020 at 11:55 AM. Reason : .]

3/25/2020 11:53:21 AM

GNSP Charles

3/25/2020 12:32:47 PM

The Crownavirus -- Final Season

3/25/2020 12:45:46 PM

NY State has the 5th highest number of cases (31,000) in the world if US states are considered as countries. At this rate, it will become number one probably within 2 weeks or so.

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Spain's deaths surpass China's official numbers. Italy's are well over double of China's.

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Australian cruise becomes nation's worst coronavirus cluster
https://reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN21C1BJ

Australia lets a cruise start on March 8 (WTF already); virus gets introduced on to ship (of course); cruise ends on March 19 in Australia with many people sick; government tells everybody (2,700+ people) to go home and self-isolate; passengers travel to their homes all over Australia hundreds of miles away.

Even Trump hasn't done something this utterly stupid.

Why the heck are Western countries so woefully ignorant and idiotic at dealing with an epidemic?

[Edited on March 25, 2020 at 12:55 PM. Reason : ]

3/25/2020 12:51:46 PM

because we individual rights over public health

Also see: guns, homeless, mental health

3/25/2020 1:02:20 PM

^ sadly true.

1/463 people in Iceland
1/470 people in Luxembourg
1/794 people in Switzerland
1/813 people in Italy
1/982 people in Spain

have COVID-19


[Edited on March 25, 2020 at 2:56 PM. Reason : countries > 100,000 people, otherwise there are 5 tiny countries with as high or higher rates]

[Edited on March 25, 2020 at 3:00 PM. Reason : San Marino 1/181; Vatican City 1/200; Faeroe Islands 1/370; Andorra 1/411; Liechtenstein 1/747]

3/25/2020 2:51:12 PM

RIP Iceland

3/25/2020 2:56:12 PM

Thats really just the rate of testing and not the rate of infection. Notice how that list lines up perfectly with the countries with more organized health systems at the top.

[Edited on March 25, 2020 at 3:00 PM. Reason : k]

3/25/2020 2:59:58 PM

^ which means actual rates are even higher

data is always about known cases, my post should read "are known to have COVID-19".

also see my second edit

3/25/2020 3:01:46 PM

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"famous NYC chef who was featured in season 2 of Ugly Delicious died from it"

no matter the situation this guy can only see the world through the lens of pop culture

3/25/2020 3:13:59 PM

FDA will allow doctors to treat critically ill coronavirus patients with blood from survivors

Experts say the treatment might be the best hope for some patients until more sophisticated drugs are developed.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fda-will-allow-doctors-treat-critically-ill-coronavirus-patients-blood-n1167831

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The Netherlands Is Letting People Get Sick to Beat Coronavirus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozmh40wwAGc

3/25/2020 3:36:14 PM

^^ nah

3/25/2020 3:56:59 PM

I was mostly just asking for confirmation or not

3/25/2020 4:06:36 PM

gotta get out of that right wing bubble, man

3/25/2020 4:32:07 PM

Two Americas

https://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/famous-people-normal-people-tests

Absolutely criminal. So sad.

3/25/2020 5:20:49 PM

America is absolutely botching this, but some of those celebs tested outside the US.

3/25/2020 5:40:55 PM

^2 Alot of those testimonials are from Europe. Hence the use of Celcius in the quotes...

3/25/2020 6:00:56 PM

https://www.newsobserver.com/news/coronavirus/article241503756.html

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"Dale Folwell, the North Carolina State Treasurer, tested positive for the coronavirus, the Treasurer’s department said on Wednesday afternoon. The 61-year-old Republican developed symptoms after returning to work after a trip. He is quarantined at his home under the advice of his physician, he said in a statement. In a statement, Folwell said he felt symptoms after returning early on March 16 to the department’s office in Raleigh after traveling with his son. He tested positive on March 23."

Fuck this stupid fucking fuck. Nobody should vote for him this fall because he is clearly a huge idiot.

3/25/2020 6:04:27 PM