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"The best thing that they got is Obama robbing medicaid while the rest of us weren't looking, and that isn't true. "

Medicare

And yes, he did cut funding to it.

He is actually expanding medicaid. Much to the dismay of states who cant afford it as is.

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 1:05 PM. Reason : .]

9/6/2012 1:04:52 PM

No he did not cut funding. Stop believing in lies

9/6/2012 1:32:42 PM

^sorry spending reductions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/14/romneys-right-obamacare-cuts-medicare-by-716-billion-heres-how/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/aroy/2012/08/13/yes-obamacare-cuts-medicare-more-than-president-romney-would/

second one explains the difference in the plans and what they plan on cutting/reforming

[Edited on September 6, 2012 at 1:43 PM. Reason : .]

9/6/2012 1:38:44 PM

The budget is cut, but the implication from Romney et al is that the money evaporates, when the reality is that the money is used for more healthcare.

A lie by a false implication is still a lie. It's not hard to understand.

And since when did the right have a bleeding heart for entitlement programs...? It's blatant pandering for older voters, I don't think any of the conservatives on here actually believe in more government spending on people too dumb to save their own money or get health coverage*.

*their wording, not mine

9/6/2012 1:52:41 PM

My issue is when I keep hearing liberals saying Romney is lying about the cuts. They are there, plain as day. I dont understand that. Im actually glad you admitted it Moron.

You dont think both sides play medi-scare? Remember Paul Ryan pushing grandma over a cliff? haha

9/6/2012 2:03:07 PM

Obama's plan doesn't cut benefits though. It simply reduces payouts to providers/insurance companies which are grossly inflated anyways and do not reflect actual cost of procedures. Hence, it is a savings.

9/6/2012 2:14:24 PM

Quote :

"Obama's plan doesn't cut benefits though. It simply reduces payouts to providers/insurance companies which are grossly inflated anyways and do not reflect actual cost of procedures. Hence, it is a savings. "

Your second sentence is full of ignorance. I dont blame you, but you need to learn more about medicare before making statements like that.

There are increasing numbers of doctors who are either refusing to take medicare or arent seeing new medicare patients. (you really only heard of this happening with mediCAID patients before) However as the costs of doing business have risen and medicare reimbursements arent keeping up many are opting out or limiting their exposure.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-06-20-medicare_N.htm

That is from 2010 and they did pass a fix, but it is only getting worse. Medicare passed regulation that you had to buy one of their approved EHRs to be able to see medicare patients. The cost for our 2 offices was 60k. You couldnt give me this software, it sucks ass. We are debating whether to just use it on medicare patients only and use our old system on everyone else. Still a waste.

http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/abc11_investigates&id=8656615


Do you honestly believe your first sentence 420?

9/6/2012 2:31:21 PM

^I'll let the ex-President with a 69% approval rating destroy your entire argument.

Quote :

""When Congressman Ryan looked into that TV camera and attacked President Obama's Medicare savings as, quote, 'the biggest, coldest power play,' I didn't know whether to laugh or cry. Because that $716 billion is exactly to the dollar the same amount of Medicare savings that he has in his own budget! He attacked President Obama, too, but he actually wants to repeal those savings and give the money back to the insurance company. He wants to go back to the old system, which means we'll reopen the donut hole and force seniors to pay more for drugs, and we'll reduce the life of the Medicare trust fund by eight full years. So if he's elected, and if he does what he promised to do, Medicare will now go broke in 2016. Think about that. That means after all we won't have to wait until their voucher program kicks in, in 2023, to see the end of Medicare as we know it.""

9/6/2012 4:03:26 PM

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"Exactly correct. And nobody has yet to provide a solid example of Obama "misleading" the base"

Well he sure does love to brag about how domestic drilling has increased under his administration. Which is true, but only on private land in which the federal government has no say. Getting a lease for drilling on federal land under this administration is borderline impossible these days and can take up to 2 years. Compared to Bush and Clinton he is ridiculously bad in this regard.

That's the very definition of misleading in my opinion.

9/6/2012 4:35:42 PM

Shrike what the hell are you talking about? I wasnt arguing, just showing a poster the facts that there is a cut.

Hell I even posted a link that shows the differences between the two plans.

If you want to be an adult about things, seniors NEED to pay more for their health care costs. In fact the reform needed is to shift more of the costs back to the actual consumer. ALL of our revenue currently cant cover mandatory spending. Mandatory spending is set to explode with the boomers, adding more entitlements or pretending that we can go along business as usual is BS, but typical politics.

9/6/2012 4:52:32 PM

^^
I think that the implication has always been that drilling has increased on private land, not on public hand; I don't think that Obama is ever going to increase drilling on public land.

He's proven me wrong before, though.

9/6/2012 5:02:41 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bob-woodward-book-debt-deal-collapse-led-pure/story?id=17104635#.UEkQUPtrXXp

Looks like Bob Woodward is going to come after the President pretty aggressively. Basically portraying a weak White House that can't control its own Congressional Caucus let alone manage its opposition.

9/6/2012 5:33:11 PM

That's dumb. House Republicans were 99% to blame for that episode.

9/6/2012 6:26:59 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder#Diagnosis

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"The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition, DSM IV-TR, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines narcissistic personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as: A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following: 1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements) 2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love 3. Believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions) 4. Requires excessive admiration 5. Has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations 6. Is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends 7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others 8. Is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her 9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes"

Most relevant.

9/6/2012 9:01:34 PM

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"My opponent and his running mate are relatively new to foreign policy ::pauses for laughter::"

Is this guy serious???

9/6/2012 10:54:21 PM

This guy in insane. How can people cheer for his idea of getting rid of the American dream? Work hard and you will succeed would become work hard so that others don't have to and we can all live a mediocre life.

9/6/2012 11:02:43 PM

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"I'll let the ex-President with a 69% approval rating destroy your entire argument."

hahahaha. that was brilliant...

eyedrb: hey, let me give you some actual facts *presents facts*
Shrike: fuck your facts, listen to what Clinton had to say!!!

9/6/2012 11:42:46 PM

^ that's what Clinton was saying.

9/6/2012 11:46:38 PM

whaaaa?

9/6/2012 11:47:37 PM

It was a mistake for Obama to mention FDR in a speech about "moving forward." SMH, OBAMA.

9/7/2012 12:29:10 AM

eyedrb didn't really present facts though. He presented personal anecdotes with articles supporting said anecdotes.

9/7/2012 12:30:15 AM

At this point, 95% of independent voters have made their minds up. Anybody with half a brain is voting for Obama. Both sides are going to spend the next 2 months firing their base up as much as possible. Dems are poised for victory with their 1337 ground game though.

9/7/2012 1:18:25 AM

Horrific jobs report if you're on Obama's campaign team. If Romney/Ryan can capitalize on this it could be a crushing blow to Obama so soon on the heels of the convention.

If it was a good report I was close to saying Obama can't lose but wow, this hurts.

9/7/2012 8:57:56 AM

hes got to make up something like 210k jobs in the next few months just to break even.

yeah, romney/ryan will be all over this.

9/7/2012 9:07:04 AM

Quote :

"Anybody with half a brain is voting for Obama. "

This is correct. And the rest of us with a full brain will be voting for Romney.

9/7/2012 9:09:10 AM

^^^ jobs added and unemployment rate down, as read by some.
less jobs than last month and were expected, as read by others.

Would not call it horrific... because it makes the Romney campaign have to explain the unemployment percentage calculation which is not the easiest soundbite to make compared to "jobs added, unemployment down to 8.1%".

[Edited on September 7, 2012 at 9:15 AM. Reason : .]

9/7/2012 9:15:34 AM

It's pretty easy for them to say "workforce participation at 31 year low" to explain it.

9/7/2012 9:29:17 AM

Quote :

"I think that the implication has always been that drilling has increased on private land, not on public hand; I don't think that Obama is ever going to increase drilling on public land."

I don't think it's a clear implication because it it were Obama would not take credit for it. As to drilling on public land, how about he not DECREASE it? Increasing would be good, but not decreasing it wouldn't hurt either. One has to wonder if a lot of the Gulf oil rigs that left after the unconstitutional drilling injunction will ever come back.

9/7/2012 10:07:00 AM

Quote :

"This is correct. And the rest of us with a full brain will be voting for Romney."

aha!

9/7/2012 10:10:52 AM

Quote :

"because it makes the Romney campaign have to explain the unemployment percentage calculation "

Which, you know, his base isn't smart enough to understand.

9/7/2012 10:11:07 AM

why does Romney cater to the right wing religious conservative idiots? Not like there's a chance in hell they would vote for Obama anyway.

9/7/2012 10:18:40 AM

Because if he didn't, he wouldn't have gotten the nomination. Sorry buddy, but your party has been overrun.

9/7/2012 10:28:41 AM

^^ But there is a chance that they won't show up to vote at all

9/7/2012 10:33:10 AM

9/7/2012 12:53:38 PM

Why is NyM upset about the jobs report?

9/7/2012 2:13:35 PM

Quote :

"TKE-Teg: One has to wonder if a lot of the Gulf oil rigs that left after the unconstitutional drilling injunction will ever come back."

The injunction wasn't unconstitutional. The moratorium was partly unconstitutional, and the injunction stopped it. But the injunction didn't do much for oil companies (and potential workers) because Obama and Co. were still able to constitutionally deny permits, which they did.

But, yes, they're back. From March of this year:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/05/business/deepwater-oil-drilling-accelerates-as-bp-disaster-fades.html?pagewanted=all

And just for fun (LOL):

http://news.yahoo.com/oil-bp-spill-uncovered-isaacs-waves-225939640.html

[Edited on September 7, 2012 at 3:01 PM. Reason : ]

9/7/2012 3:01:03 PM

thanks for the correction

Quote :

"Sorry buddy, but your party has been overrun"

I'm a conservative not a republican.

[Edited on September 7, 2012 at 3:17 PM. Reason : k]

9/7/2012 3:12:45 PM

Quote :

"why does Romney cater to the right wing religious conservative idiots? Not like there's a chance in hell they would vote for Obama anyway."

He has to prove he's electable despite being a Mormon.

9/7/2012 3:14:08 PM

That argument makes sense for Romney, but seems like every damn political leader pulls that crap.

9/7/2012 3:19:12 PM

9/7/2012 3:20:15 PM

Quote :

"That argument makes sense for Romney, but seems like every damn political leader pulls that crap. "

pol·i·ti·cian
[pol-i-tish-uhn] Show IPA

a seeker or holder of public office, who is more concerned about winning favor or retaining power than about maintaining principles.


states·man
[steyts-muhn] Show IPA
noun, plural states·men.
1.
a person who is experienced in the art of government or versed in the administration of government affairs.
2.
a person who exhibits great wisdom and ability in directing the affairs of a government or in dealing with important public issues.



There you go. If you can't name any statesmen, then you finally have awakened yourself to the problem.

[Edited on September 7, 2012 at 3:24 PM. Reason : .]

9/7/2012 3:24:19 PM

Quote :

"Why is NyM upset about the jobs report?"

Who isn't?

9/7/2012 3:56:47 PM

Romney

9/7/2012 4:00:41 PM

9/7/2012 4:10:53 PM

Right, so the younger generation dropped out of the work force... right before college and high school fall semester starts.

I don't buy it

9/7/2012 6:55:17 PM

Quote :

"Why is NyM upset about the jobs report?"

unemployment has hit a new low of 8.1%, but that doesnt tell the whole story from what i've read. Apparently, unemployment hit a new low b/c people are discouraged and have stopped looking for jobs, therefore they are not being accounted for.

9/7/2012 8:01:34 PM

...and their benefits ran out.

9/7/2012 8:04:27 PM

Nope. It's all ppl in their early twenties, I'm sure it's just going back to school. Either way it really isn't that big of a number, it's prolly within the error bars or close to it.

9/7/2012 9:36:17 PM

President Obama's SUPPORTERS' credibility watch


Getting dem "Obama bucks."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5tqH7UrzOw

9/7/2012 11:00:20 PM

that's a nice video that explains everything for simple minded racists.

[Edited on September 8, 2012 at 1:55 AM. Reason : racist cred watch]

[Edited on September 8, 2012 at 1:56 AM. Reason : romney gonna make people richer...]

9/8/2012 1:54:40 AM