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"I can't stand the guy any more than the next educated person, but I'm so sick of the constant barrage of crap. They're throwing everything at the wall hoping something will stick."

how many things need to stick before he gets it?

10/2/2018 9:57:20 PM

Rjrumfel is basically a lates 90s Democrat at this point ideology wise

I think this is basically how the parties are going to fragment

Mainstream Dems and centrist merge to a late 90s Democrat ideology as “Democrats”

Republicans will become Trumpists

What should be the Democrats will now be Democratic Socialists

Maybe if Democrats win the senate, you’ll see Republicans try to claw back to more centrist ideologies

Republicans would dominate if they weren’t racist... there’s tons of blacks and Asians who believe in low taxes even if it means people poorer than them suffer more.

10/2/2018 10:10:56 PM

just now seeing that he mocked Ford at his rally tonight which got his crowd laughing and applauding

the worst humans

[Edited on October 2, 2018 at 10:16 PM. Reason : .]

10/2/2018 10:13:23 PM

^ Republicans are eating this up

The people at the mississippi rally went from chanting "lock her up" to being incredulous about Kavanaugh

The craziest part about this is the Democrats during the hearing were not even accusatory at all towards Kavanaugh, and I'd even go so far to say most of them probably are on his side for this issue (which is why they didn't seem more motivated to question kavanaugh).

Trump's tactic to whip people into a frenzied, angry mob is going to have a lasting mark, that we probably can't predict the outcome of yet.

[Edited on October 2, 2018 at 10:44 PM. Reason : ]

10/2/2018 10:40:42 PM

I'm confused why RJ even brought up Kav after that article

[Edited on October 2, 2018 at 11:33 PM. Reason : E]

10/2/2018 11:32:57 PM

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"And nothing that I read in that very long article was really a surprise. Rich people cheat on taxes? Shit you say!"

It doesn’t make you raging mad that you labor all day and pay 20+% in taxes, while Trump barely did anything that could be construed as work, inherited $10s of millions, and effectively paid a rate of 5% for taxes. That’s lower than sales tax in most states.

10/3/2018 5:54:16 AM

It does make me angry.

But it also makes me angry that I pay almost 1200/month (or will be again, in about 4 months) for childcare, when other children get the same care for a pittance.

I just can't let go of some of my conservative leanings. We don't need to be a socialist country. With crap like the daycare scenario, we already are.

And the reason the Democrats are not out there accusing Kavanaugh in fits of rage? Because they're probably trembling in their boots, afraid something that they've done might also come to haunt them. They're all powerful men, mostly A-type personalities who have probably done crappy things to women at least once in their lives. And when I say all, I don't just mean the Democrats, I mean all of those assholes in congress.

10/3/2018 7:21:58 AM

Why don't you quit your job or get one that pays less, then you can get all the wonderful perks of being poor in America

Or from the other angle why don't you or your wife take care of your child, then you don't have to pay $1200 a month

I

10/3/2018 7:27:13 AM

Lol, rjrumfel is mad at impoverished people for the cost of his childcare instead of the people who make him unable to afford it

10/3/2018 7:47:29 AM

It makes me laugh that it took a NYT article for so many people to realize Trump is a con who is really bad at business. Like, you have to actively decide to make fucking stupid decisions to inherit what he did, money wise and in property, in NYC in the 70s and 80s and not be worth way more than he is.

10/3/2018 7:52:53 AM

I think people knew/know. They just didn't/don't care.

10/3/2018 9:03:35 AM

no, lots of republican voters think trump is a great businessman who earned his fortune

10/3/2018 9:13:56 AM

If Trump paid even just 20% along with others day care could be free putting thousands into people’s pockets and allowing people to work.

How are you not mad wealthy don’t pay taxes but are mad some poor people get child care so they can go work their 8 jobs?

10/3/2018 9:16:24 AM

^^ this. Almost his entire base and a whole fucking lot of Republicans believe he was some genius businessman.

He was terrible. Good celebrity though. Like a Kardashian.

[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 9:16 AM. Reason : X]

10/3/2018 9:16:27 AM

^^ Seriously.

I'm angry at families who are barely scraping by, because they don't have to pay for childcare and I do, even though their standard of living with subsidized childcare is worse than mine without it.

rjumfel, would poorer families also having to pay $1200 per month in childcare actually make you less angry?

[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 9:25 AM. Reason : ]

10/3/2018 9:24:48 AM

if those families have it so much easier than you, rjrumfel, who don't you just quit your job so you can live that sweet easy life on government benefits

10/3/2018 9:26:30 AM

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"But it also makes me angry that I pay almost 1200/month (or will be again, in about 4 months) for childcare, when other children get the same care for a pittance. "

1 - One kid at $1200/month? I don't have kids, but that seems on the higher side if you live in this area. My friends...pay half that, but not in Raleigh proper, about 25 minutes outside of Raleigh.

2 - What kids "get the same care for a pittance"

10/3/2018 9:35:33 AM

Ours is more than 1200. It’s basically a second mortgage. It’s absurd how much daycare costs but I understand that I’m blessed to be able to pay it. I don’t hold anything at all against those who get/need help but child care costs need to come down.

I’d rather my taxes go to that then to helping Elon Musk get high.

** and the kids who get care for a pittance are likely in some horrific daycares.

[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 9:45 AM. Reason : X]

10/3/2018 9:43:55 AM

$1,200/month isn't high unless maybe you live way out of town, it can easily be over $2,000 in this area


(also the average child care subsidy here is less than half of rjrumfel's child care and the waiting list is longer than the recipient list and you have to have low income to qualify -- none of these people are enjoying the high life)



[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 9:56 AM. Reason : .]

10/3/2018 9:55:42 AM

^^^^don't steal my posts bro!!!

[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 9:56 AM. Reason : Y]

10/3/2018 9:56:21 AM

1200/month is probably average for infants. It gets cheaper as the child gets older, but when my first left preschool it was still 950/month.

Hey, I'm all for making preschool public and a requirement. Let it be the new Kindergarten.

10/3/2018 10:06:40 AM

I'm against that idea because

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"We don't need to be a socialist country. With crap like the daycare scenario, we already are."

10/3/2018 10:11:01 AM

Cheating on taxes aside, they used fraudulent receipts to a shell corporation to justify raising rents on working class people in rent controlled apartments...

They literally stole money from regular people to line their billionaire pockets, and dodged taxes while doing it.

This is about as evil as you can get... this is the caricature of capitalism

10/3/2018 10:35:07 AM

it's more fucked up than any of the shady business dealings the clintons have been accused of

10/3/2018 10:48:05 AM

rjrfumfel, the only reason you're stuck with that daycare bill in the first place is because you're being exploited by the capitalist class.

Worker productivity has increased 2.5x since the 70s, while pay has stagnated and cost of living (college, housing, healthcare, food) has skyrocketed. So now you and your wife are both working to maintain a lifestyle that your grandparents maintained with a single income and fewer hours. And on top of that you're paying daycare fees.

And here's the other thing, housework is unpaid labor. So without a stay at home parent, you and your wife are effectively working three jobs. The capitalist class is not burdened by this extra labor.

Socialism gave you weekends and the 40 hour work week (which doesn't even exist anymore). With increased productivity and automation, it's time to push for more. We should be working FAR LESS and spending more time with our families. Don't you want that?

10/3/2018 10:50:10 AM

you have to structure it in a way that he can still feel morally superior to poor people

10/3/2018 10:54:24 AM

What’s probably under appreciated is that Fred Trump was paying off officials left and right to get away with all this.

10/3/2018 11:00:45 AM

^^
The problem is he doesn't see himself as being part of the exploited working class. But he and his wife are sacrificing ~40 hours a week away from their kid because their labor isn't being fairly compensated.

[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 11:03 AM. Reason : .]

10/3/2018 11:02:35 AM

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"But he and his wife are sacrificing ~40 hours a week"

10/3/2018 11:32:01 AM

the white/blue collar job divide is still alive in peoples minds.

the well paying blue collar jobs of the past are gone and have been replaced by desk jobs yet the people working these clerical, repetitive white collar jobs still feel superior to the rest of the labor force.

also, sooner or later programing will be handled by computers and thousands of socially awkward men will be jobless. That will be an interesting situation.

10/3/2018 11:33:31 AM

^^
Please do explain how I'm wrong.

10/3/2018 11:39:00 AM

Gainful employment / two-career households working a regular week isn't "sacrificing"

[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 11:41 AM. Reason : Working 60+ hours a week could be ]

10/3/2018 11:40:54 AM

How is it not sacrificing? You're giving up a huge amount of time with your children so you can maintain a decent lifestyle. It would be unnecessary if we were fairly compensated.

[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 11:45 AM. Reason : .]

10/3/2018 11:45:11 AM

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"1200/month is probably average for infants."

we couldn't find childcare for an infant in the Baltimore area for under $1600/month. We might have considered it more at $1200.

10/3/2018 11:52:09 AM

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"the well paying blue collar jobs of the past are gone and have been replaced by desk jobs yet the people working these clerical, repetitive white collar jobs still feel superior to the rest of the labor force. also, sooner or later programing will be handled by computers and thousands of socially awkward men will be jobless. That will be an interesting situation."

not just programming, white collar jobs in general will continue to be replaced by automation (which is a leading reason we need to figure out basic universal income now before it's too late)

(also, I don't understand how being forced to spend more than a third of your waking hours away from your children or activity of your choice isn't sacrificing. Few people get enough in return for that loss to be worth it to them, most only do it because they have to.)


[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 12:19 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2018 12:14:15 PM

There is one socialist idea that I wish we could adopt here in the US and yes, mostly because it applies to me and people like me, but we are far far far behind the rest of the developed world when it comes to maternity and paternity leave.

We wouldn't have to worry so much about daycare costs if we had a decent program.

10/3/2018 12:21:36 PM

Dude, you wouldn't need daycare at all if you were paid at a rate commensurate to your labor. Don't you want to spend more time with your kids??

[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 12:25 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2018 12:24:23 PM

How could we get paid at all if I wanted to spend time with my kid? It's either work and get paid or not work and spend all day with my child. I don't see how there is an option there.

Unless we all got plenty of paternity leave. It isn't a function of pay. And I feel like I get paid plenty for what I do.

10/3/2018 12:42:46 PM

Lots of ways to go about it. Off the cuff:

-Fair pay so one of you is able to stay at home and do housework, meaning more time in the evenings & weekends
-4 day work week (or 5 day with fewer hours)
-More flexible schedules & working remote
-More PTO
-Alternating work schedules so you each get more time with the kid (obv. this one depends on the nature of your work)

These would all be easily accomplished if wealth wasn't hoarded at the very top.

[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 12:49 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2018 12:47:17 PM

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"I don't understand how being forced to spend more than a third of your waking hours away from your children or activity of your choice isn't sacrificing. Few people get enough in return for that loss to be worth it to them, most only do it because they have to"

Households need income? Families need food? What's the alternative to working to provide that? The government just provides those benefits for everyone?

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"We wouldn't have to worry so much about daycare costs if we had a decent program"

How much maternity/paternity leave are you proposing? What would happen after that time is up?

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"Dude, you wouldn't need daycare at all if you were paid at a rate commensurate to your labor. "

Who would watch his non-school age kids while he works?

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"Fair pay so one of you is able to stay at home and do housework"

You act like all dual-career households would do that if they could. This ain't the 50's anymore, and I don't know of many who would like to give up their career and just sit at home taking care of the kids. Not to mention there are tons of single parents out there who don't have the luxury of that decision.

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"4 day work week (or 5 day with fewer hours)"

Still lots of daycare time there.

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"More flexible schedules & working remote"

I don't know about your job, but mine isn't too keen on it's employees providing childcare while working from home.

10/3/2018 1:11:14 PM

holy shit what a dumb and needlessly contrarian post. this is why i say rjrumfel is reachable and people like synapse are hopeless bootlickers.

the point is that we need to demand change from the government, just like socialists did in the early 20th century.

10/3/2018 1:20:56 PM

Yup, I'm a Bernie bro bootlicker.

[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 1:35 PM. Reason : sorry you guys can't answer my basic questions. just trying to learn about the TWW socialist platform here]

10/3/2018 1:33:06 PM

synapse went full rjrumfel

10/3/2018 1:33:55 PM

^^
you are whether you realize it or not. your nitpicking is a useful distraction.

[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 1:35 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2018 1:35:05 PM

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"your nitpicking is a useful distraction"

I'm assuming you meant "useless" distraction, and what's the rush? Do we have a manifest due tonight or something?

[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 1:37 PM. Reason : you call rjrumple "reachable" but he's admittedly motivated by self-interest...that's not socialism ]

10/3/2018 1:36:25 PM

He does have some good points though.

I think that a year off for one or even both parents would be a very good start for the child. Don't ask me how that would work with the individual's workload and whatnot, but all the blonde-haired blue-eyed countries make it work somehow.

I think it would be reasonable to send a kid to daycare after a year.

And synapse is right. Not everybody wants to quit their career and stay home with a child. That doesn't mean they care any less about their children. They just realize that they need to provide.

I mean, how in God's name can any family pay a mortgage, maybe a car payment or two, all of the other bills, normal house maintenance, and still save up for a college education on one salary? I just don't see how that happens in today's society.

And I imagine it would be pretty difficult trying to find work again after taking a 3 or 4 year hiatus.

10/3/2018 1:38:31 PM

i'd consider working for someone else doing something you don't want to do so you can feed other people sacrifice, but if you don't think so feel free to substitute your own word into the broader point instead of being hung up about word choice

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"I mean, how in God's name can any family pay a mortgage, maybe a car payment or two, all of the other bills, normal house maintenance, and still save up for a college education on one salary? I just don't see how that happens in today's society."

oh my god, it's right in front of you but you can't see it because you've been brainwashed by capitalists

[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 1:42 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2018 1:41:21 PM

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"i'd consider working for someone else doing something you don't want to do so you can feed other people sacrifice"

Who says people don't enjoy/want to do the work they do? What is happening in this thread?? Did rjrumple say he hates his job or something?

Feed, house, care for, vacation etc...again, what's the alternative?

10/3/2018 1:44:02 PM

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"And synapse is right. Not everybody wants to quit their career and stay home with a child. That doesn't mean they care any less about their children. They just realize that they need to provide."

But I just gave you a bunch of options where you could still provide, even with both of you maintaining careers, AND have more time with your family. It's even been done in the past, in this very country, before our wealth was all slurped up by the rich.

[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 1:47 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2018 1:45:42 PM

i think some people enjoy their jobs, but i think only a tiny minority of people enjoy their jobs to the extent that it is what they would be doing if they weren't getting paid. i also think that you must be totally surrounded by privilege if you think that the percentage of people whose job is their passion is approaching any kind of significant amount.

but i'm not the one who got all contrarian and defensive about the use of "sacrificing"

[Edited on October 3, 2018 at 1:50 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2018 1:47:49 PM