^,^^ Good advice

I've been using this as my lubricant.


I use it on my rifle and shotgun. I've heard that break-free clp is the standard. Is the difference negligible or should I switch over?

Also, what range ammo do you feed your CZ? I've got some Federal 115 gr. and Winchester 147gr. I intend on trying some Sellier and Bellot because of the decent price.

11/15/2011 10:35:51 AM

it's probably fine, but when it's used up i'd probably go with CLP. i like the aerosol can. on average, CLP seems to make semi autos function better for me.

11/15/2011 11:33:56 AM

Break free clp is also one of the bet rust preventatives, just google some rust tests. I've experimented a little with a few oils and have also found clp to do real well at preventing rust. The lp isn't as good as clp for rust but it is a tiny bit thicker and lubes better. If you clean with clp the. Lube with lp it'll be just as rust resistant as clp alone. I think the cleaner in clp helps the oil stick to the surface.

Feed the cz whatever you want. It should work with everything. I personally use Winchester white box and federal champion 115gr fmj. For self defense I use 124gr speer gold dot hp +p.

11/15/2011 11:45:53 AM

how do you deal with SD ammo? Every so often I will switch the top round so I'm not constantly rechambering the same round, but how long do you go before you shoot it all at the range and buy fresh stuff to carry?

11/15/2011 12:22:15 PM

unless it got wet or something i wouldn't worry about changing it

11/15/2011 2:29:00 PM

Quote :

"how do you deal with SD ammo? Every so often I will switch the top round so I'm not constantly rechambering the same round, but how long do you go before you shoot it all at the range and buy fresh stuff to carry?"

I carry +1 and fire the first 2 rounds off whenever I go to the range. Bullet set-back is something that happens so I figure it's best to "swap" those rounds out instead of keeping them.

11/15/2011 6:55:24 PM

is there a better forum for used gun postings in NC than carolina shooters forum? these folks are fucking idiotic.

Quote :

"WTT/WTS Savage .17HMR Nice customized Savage for sale or trade. Comes with Burris optics and mounts, a hard case and a few rounds of ammo. Nice clean trigger, bipod and a 5 round magazine . Looking for $300 OBO or interesting trades. Text or call and I can text or email pics."

look, if you're too damn lazy/stupid to post pics, at least give some details.

11/15/2011 7:01:26 PM

I went to the range today to test out the CZ 75B. It feels great in my hand and it put together a very good grouping @10 and 15 yards. I would put it up there with the Sig P226. I intended to put 50 rounds through it. But it's so damn fun to shoot that I went through another box.

I field stripped it, cleaned, lubed and put it back together. I am very satisfied with my purchase

11/15/2011 7:03:15 PM

^cool

^^thehighroad.org just list it as local sale only

^^^^^ I rotate the first round in the mag and the +1 round. If I've had to rechamber more than a couple of times then I'll break out the calipers and check oal. Usually it's. It an issue though because I don't unload my semiautos often. My semiautos aren't 40s , so I'm not that worried in the first place.

[Edited on November 15, 2011 at 7:40 PM. Reason : ]

11/15/2011 7:39:38 PM

^nah, i'm talking about for purchasing.

11/15/2011 8:21:58 PM

thehighroad is still a good place because of how much traffic it recieves. You'd be surprised how many guns are sold through that in NC.

11/15/2011 11:14:49 PM

suggestions for a dehumidifier for my safe? it doesn't have an outlet, so one of the passive silica bags or whatever they are.

11/16/2011 7:26:06 PM

The one my friend has doesn't have an outlet per say, but does have spots to drill through to wire that sort of thing up. Pack with insulation and it's a null risk because the hole is so small. Is that an option?

11/17/2011 12:26:46 AM

Quote :

" I would put it up there with the Sig P226"

Strong praise.

11/17/2011 12:50:36 AM

^^no

11/17/2011 6:24:08 AM

Quote :

"Nov 16, 2011: This afternoon at approximately 5:50pm, the House of Representatives passed HR 822 - the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011 - on a vote of 272 aye, 154 nay, and 7 not voting. The ayes were comprised of 229 Republicans and 43 Democrats. Meanwhile the noes were comprised of 147 Democrats and 7 Republicans. ... The full list of the Ayes and Noes can be found here. If your Representative voted Aye, send them a note thanking them. If not, ask them why the heck not! Now it is on to the Senate where it may or may not pass. "

full story

[Edited on November 17, 2011 at 11:06 AM. Reason : .]

11/17/2011 11:06:33 AM

Good I guess. Though GRNC seemed to be against it. I really need to read the details on this.

While I agree with driver license like recognition, it does concern me that it opens the door for further federal control over CCPs.

11/17/2011 11:16:03 AM

yeah, some people/groups are saying that permit reciprocity should be left up to the states

i think the idea is good, but like you said it could open the door to congress trying to micromanage CCW in the U.S.

and even if the national reciprocity bill becomes law, the gun free school zones act makes it difficult to carry in states besides your own without breaking federal law

11/17/2011 8:01:13 PM

For those of you who have gone to the gun show to purchase ammo. Are there good deals to be had? I'm looking at this website http://georgia-arms.com/ for some plinking ammo. Price is great, but if the show prices are comparable I could save a bit on the shipping.

What do you guys think of professionally reloaded ammo?

11/18/2011 5:08:37 PM

the georgia arms guy usually has the best prices on powder, primers, and other reloading stuff. i usually always end up spending some money with him and he seems knowledgeable. that booth is always pretty busy. i wouldn't hesitate to at least give his ammo a try.

11/18/2011 5:22:04 PM

I;ve used a lot of the georgia arms ammo bought at gun shows. Sometimes it can be more expensive than cheap walmart stuff, but I do have to say I've never had a single problem out of their rounds.

You can also deal with them at the gun show, dont forget that. I've gotten them to knock off some money, or throw in an ammo can or two for free if I buy enough ammo to warrant it.

Ill be hitting the gun show in charleston the saturday directly after thanksgiving.

11/18/2011 7:08:34 PM

Just saw this on arfcom.

11/19/2011 12:35:48 PM

i just bought 500rds of 40 s&w georgia arms ammo at the charlotte gun show, shot 200 rounds of it so far with no problem, definitely going to buy more when the show comes back

11/19/2011 1:41:27 PM

^ Mind if I ask how much?

11/19/2011 6:02:39 PM

I picked up a new LCP and a stripped doublestar lower

11/19/2011 6:20:26 PM

picked up a 1911 today, may go back tomorrow and pick up a pocket 380.... havent decided yet.

Pretty sure the 1911 is going to replace my CW9 for every day carry. Took it to the range after the show and fell in love.

11/19/2011 7:38:23 PM

^^^135 for 500 rds

11/19/2011 9:08:14 PM

Ok...I bought some ammo. They shoulda picked a better day for ammo day. It's hard to remember.

11/19/2011 9:25:56 PM

I did my part yesterday. Picked up 200 rds of 22 mag hornady vmax

11/20/2011 12:33:45 PM

ditto.

Went to the Durham wildlife club with a buddy of mine. I've never seen so many failure to feeds/fire from a Glock 17. I don't know if it was just that batch of Rem UMC 9mm, but it also jammed in my CZ.

If any of you are into shooting trap or skeet, you should check it out.

11/20/2011 7:02:46 PM

If you got jams in two different guns then the ammo is likely the problem.
I've had Remington UMC 45ACP jam in a 1911 more often than other brands.

11/20/2011 11:10:45 PM

need an AR Wrench, anyone have one? or know where to get one locally?

11/22/2011 11:45:59 AM

Everyone needs to pay attention to their local government's actions regarding posting no carrying in parks, etc. Need to stop that crap before it gets too far down the road. The writers of HB650 let this local parks rule start up a shit storm of local governments trying to push their anti-firearm agenda as far as possible.

11/22/2011 1:01:44 PM

so PDHSC now has an outdoor range... but for training purposes only; not open to public.

the more i go there and deal with PDHSC, the more I don't really care for the employees and attitudes.

11/22/2011 2:07:42 PM

Brought this up from my parents' house; Dad left one to me and one to my brother.



Love the gun.
Wish he was still here to enjoy it with me.

11/22/2011 2:21:20 PM

Quote :

"the more i go there and deal with PDHSC, the more I don't really care for the employees and attitudes."

I don't like it either.

11/22/2011 2:51:31 PM

Quote :

"so PDHSC now has an outdoor range... but for training purposes only; not open to public. the more i go there and deal with PDHSC, the more I don't really care for the employees and attitudes."

yea the asian dude is always an ass.

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 3:02 PM. Reason : and im tired of being hit by ricochets at the indoor range there]

11/22/2011 3:02:13 PM

Here's a link that someone on another forum posted that has some of the black friday deals for guns and accessories at some big box places. So if anyone lives near a Cabelas, BPS, or Gander Mtn it might be worth your while

http://www.examiner.com/firearms-in-detroit/black-friday-2011-deals-on-guns-and-gear-for-shooters

11/22/2011 3:30:15 PM

i want a safari rifle just for the sake of saying i own one.

im thinking CZ 550 or Ruger No 1.

dont know what caliber or manufacturer to go with- i know its a silly question but id like opinions.

375 H&H seems very flexible. pricey but not as bad as these others.

what about CZ in general? im interested in some of their pistols/shotguns as well. anyone have a lot of experience with them?

thanks,

11/22/2011 4:12:30 PM

CZs in general are great guns for the money. The designs are very good, parts fit is very good, and exterior finish is generally very good. Interior finish can be a tiny bit rough but not to the point that its ugly or affects functioning. Basically they put the work where it matters and at the price you pay that's usually more than you can expect.

550s usually have real good reputations for accuracy and they're strong reliable actions.

Ruger No 1s are great guns too. They're usually really accurate and are very simple. They may also be one of the strongest actions in a factory gun.
My boss has a No 1 Tropical (schnabel, medium-heavy barrel, sling stud barrel band, rifle sights) in 458 Winmag. 458 Winmag is a beast but in the No1 Tropical it's about as comfortable as it gets in a heavy recoiling gun.

Do you reload? Shooting any of the big magnums almost necessitates reloading unless you've got $texas.

375 H&H is the standard in safari calibers and you can't really go wrong as there's a wide variety of factory ammo...but I would actually go with the 458 Winmag. 45 cal bullets and 458 brass are often cheaper for the reloader and if brass is scarce then you can blow out some 7mm mag cases.

It really just depends on what you like. The 375 will have a trajectory advantage but if you want to make really really big and deep holes (my boss has taken two deer with one shot and probably could have taken 3 more if they lined up) and possibly shoot for less money then the 458 would be better.
You can have better terminal performance with the bigger bullets with less wear and tear on your body and the gun too.

If you don't reload you might want something like the 375 Winmag. I think factory ammo is cheaper.

Hell...why not go for something like the 458 Lott?

Quote :

"need an AR Wrench, anyone have one? or know where to get one locally?"

I have one you can borrow but I live in Rocky Mount. If you want to drive here I'll let you borrow it for a couple of weeks or you could wait until I make a shopping trip to Raleigh and meet me, then mail it back or whatever. I'll want it before xmas though; I plan on finishing my AR mods then.

11/22/2011 4:41:05 PM

nah.

i dont want to be knocked on my ass-

got a 3.5 inch 12 gauge to do that for me.

im leaning towards the 550 in 375 H&H. i like the razorback stock as well (love open sights).

anything else obvious i should be considering? what about proprietary cartridges by ruger like the 375 and 416? the 416 especially seems neat but hornady is the only manufacturer and they only offer two loads (solid and soft).

oh and thanks for your rem 700 advice the other day (forgot to message you back).

11/22/2011 5:00:39 PM

I think a classic 45-70 guide gun would be a lot of fun

https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/57852

11/22/2011 5:10:38 PM

unless you actually plan to go on a dangerous game hunt in africa, i would suggest getting a 45-70 instead. the novelty of extremely heavy recoil wears off quickly and there's nothing lamer than a gun sitting in a safe and never being shot (unless it's an antique or heirloom, of course). 45-70 recoils hard enough to give you your mule kick fix and is actually useful in north america. the 45-70 will take anything from bison to bear to whitetail and has seen a resurgence in popularity because deer hunters found that their .50 cal muzzleloaders kill pretty much anytime they hit fur and the 45-70 gives the same results during rifle season. imo, it'll be more fun, cheaper, and more useful than any of the typical "safari" cartridges.

also, i think you should really consider getting into reloading. you can use the 45-70 to its full capability when you can work below and above what is available in the store. this goes for most other cartridges as well. i can load .270 win with tailor-made 90 grain hollowpoints and have one gun that will smoke deer and groundhogs. just zero to the MPBR for the deer rounds and then play at the range to figure out how far under the varmint to aim at 50 yd intervals or whatever works best.

but, by all means, get what you want. you'll be much happier if you do. the trick is making sure you know what you really want and why you want it (which sometimes is just "because i do").




also:

so, i got a stripped lower. now where do i go from here? what's a good lower parts kit for me? this is going to be a "walking varminter" hunting rifle, so i'd like a smooth, crisp trigger. i held a few ARs at the gun show and i think a 20" bbl will suit my uses well. school me on bbl profiles. i want to keep the weight low, but maintain minute-of-groundhog accuracy out to about 200 yds. explain HBAR, pencil, etc. a heavy fluted bbl might be light enough, but if i can keep it accurate with a skinny bbl, that'd be better. also, please explain this carbine, midlength, and rifle length gas system stuff. what do i want and what do i need to know about it? should i purchase a complete upper or build my own? what special tools/knowledge does it require to build your own upper? what about the other parts in the upper? idk what all is included in there.

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 6:36 PM. Reason : halp please]

11/22/2011 6:22:59 PM

If I wanted to replace my bolt carrier groups on my 2 AR15s with something upgraded from the standard ones, does anyone know a good recommendation? I looked into the chrome ones that are supposed to last longer. Also I know some bolt groups have better gas rings and extractor springs. I am looking for a bolt group that will last longer than the standard ones, and just keep the standard as backups.

11/22/2011 6:34:09 PM

Quote :

"so, i got a stripped lower. now where do i go from here? what's a good lower parts kit for me? this is going to be a "walking varminter" hunting rifle, so i'd like a smooth, crisp trigger. i held a few ARs at the gun show and i think a 20" bbl will suit my uses well. school me on bbl profiles. i want to keep the weight low, but maintain minute-of-groundhog accuracy out to about 200 yds. explain HBAR, pencil, etc. a heavy fluted bbl might be light enough, but if i can keep it accurate with a skinny bbl, that'd be better. also, please explain this carbine, midlength, and rifle length gas system stuff. what do i want and what do i need to know about it? should i purchase a complete upper or build my own? what special tools/knowledge does it require to build your own upper? what about the other parts in the upper? idk what all is included in there. "

How much do you want to spend? Most LPKs will run $50-$70. That is for the standard kit with standard hammer, trigger, etc. If you want a better trigger you will have to upgrade that, which runs from $100 to $300 or so. The topic of upgraded triggers is a book in itself, and can be found with google. I have Daniel Defense LPK in two of my rifles, from midwestpx.com. I have a Timney upgraded trigger group in one of my rifles.
That site also is the main sponsor of a gun forum that I am on, so I like to give them business.

Barrel profiles affect accuracy to some degree, but IMO are more about longevity and durability.
A light weight barrel will heat up faster and loose accuracy to a small degree with prolonged firing. It is easier to carry around and transition since it weighs less. A heavy barrel will resist bending from heat, or being used roughly. It will hold accuracy over prolonged firing as well. If I were going for an accuracy gun, I would spend the money for a fluted stainless barrel.

Carbine, Midlength, or Rifle is the distance/ location of the gas block/gas tube. I have two carbine, and one midlength. With a 20'' barrel, a rifle length is most common (maybe the only option?).

Building your own upper is nice, as you really understand the gun, but you may spend more or less depending on tools and really 'knowing' what you want. I bought my first, and built the second two to suit my desires for that rifle. You can buy an off the shelf upper, if it has most of what you want, or exactly what you want and be happy with it. When you start changing out parts is when it becomes cheaper to build your own. Some people will lend you the tools needed; action block, barrel vice, AR wrench, punches...
An upper has the following parts:
Stripped upper
Charging handle
Bolt Carrier Group
Forward Assist Assembly
Dust Cover Assembly
Barrel
Delta Ring (of Free Float Tube ring)
Gas Tube and roll pin
Gas block/ Front site base
Flash hider, muzzle brake, thread protector, or nothing if just a target crown
Optics

Quote :

"If I wanted to replace my bolt carrier groups on my 2 AR15s with something upgraded from the standard ones, does anyone know a good recommendation? I looked into the chrome ones that are supposed to last longer. Also I know some bolt groups have better gas rings and extractor springs. I am looking for a bolt group that will last longer than the standard ones, and just keep the standard as backups."

Nothing is wrong with a standard BCG. Everything else is really just extra. Chrome or plated just ease in cleaning, and some say reduced wear on the BCG due to less friction. You can always just upgrade the extractor and call it a day. They are cheap enough over their life that I don't really see the need for an upgrade. Now that I have said that, two of my ARs have standard BCG, and one is waiting on a Spikes/Fail Zero Nickel Boron coated BCG. I bought it to test out the 'upgrade' and to have it be a little more flashy to match the other upgrades on the gun.

11/22/2011 7:00:54 PM

in your personal opinion, was the timney trigger worth the money?

11/22/2011 7:15:14 PM

I can't answer that honestly yet.
I've dry fired it, and it is fantastic compared to the DD stock trigger. Haven't put any rounds through the rifle with it yet, as I'm on a bullet using break right now. I'm saving up for my trip to Glock in Georgia in the beginning of December.
It is one of the budget balancing acts I'm working on with the wife. I can only spend up to $200 a month on gun stuff (without prior planning and approval), and I'm at that limit. The trip to GA is using that budget and then some for December.
I'll let you know in January how awesome the trigger is. It is a Timney 4lb Skeletonized btw.

11/22/2011 7:26:05 PM

i'll just put the standard one in and if it gets on my nerves i'll replace it.

11/22/2011 7:31:31 PM

http://www.usacarry.com/concealed_carry_permit_reciprocity_maps.html
if i click nc first, all the states that are blue will honor my cc license?


[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 11:04 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 11:06 PM. Reason : think thats right]

11/22/2011 10:59:21 PM

Quote :

"i dont want to be knocked on my ass- got a 3.5 inch 12 gauge to do that for me. im leaning towards the 550 in 375 H&H. i like the razorback stock as well (love open sights). anything else obvious i should be considering? what about proprietary cartridges by ruger like the 375 and 416? the 416 especially seems neat but hornady is the only manufacturer and they only offer two loads (solid and soft)."

You'd be surprised with big rifle calibers. A 458 Winmag in an appropriately weighted gun (10-12 lbs) doesn't hurt as much as a typical 7-8 lb 3.5" 12ga. The rifle will move you more and definitely has more force, but it's a long hard push rather than a short really hard smack of a shotgun.

If you don't reload then definitely stay away from any cartridge that's been commercialized within the last 10 years. Where's all the ammo for the Remington short action ultra mags? Winchester super short magnums? 480 Ruger? Don't be surprised if you can't find any ammo after you buy one of the newer cartridges. Sometimes they're commercial flops from the get go, sometimes they're fads. It's best to buy something you know will be around for a long time (like the 375 H&H).
I own a Ruger Super Redhawk in 480 Ruger. The popularity of the cartridge is so low that Ruger doesn't even make a gun chambered for it (their own freakin cartridge!) anymore.
Excluding specialty manufacturers, you only have four choices in commercial 480 ammo, none of which is loaded to the cartridge's full potential. In most gun stores the clerk will look at me like I'm stupid if I ask for 480 ammo then suggest I need 380 ammo. Needless to say, you're not going to be able to go down to Walmart and pick up a couple boxes.

NeuseRvrRat's advice on the 45-70 is good.
I wouldn't get a safari gun unless you're going to reload. If you reload you can shoot big cast bullets for pennies a shot vs $3-5 a pop for factory stuff. My friend with the 458 Winmag has a lot of fun shooting reduced loads. He's loaded huge 525gr bullets with just enough powder to reliably get them out the end of the barrel. A big ass bullet going 800 fps feels like shooting a 410 but the bullet will still knock the shit out of some watermelons and cans of soda

Quote :

"so, i got a stripped lower. now where do i go from here? what's a good lower parts kit for me? this is going to be a "walking varminter" hunting rifle, so i'd like a smooth, crisp trigger. i held a few ARs at the gun show and i think a 20" bbl will suit my uses well. school me on bbl profiles. i want to keep the weight low, but maintain minute-of-groundhog accuracy out to about 200 yds. explain HBAR, pencil, etc. a heavy fluted bbl might be light enough, but if i can keep it accurate with a skinny bbl, that'd be better. also, please explain this carbine, midlength, and rifle length gas system stuff. what do i want and what do i need to know about it? should i purchase a complete upper or build my own? what special tools/knowledge does it require to build your own upper? what about the other parts in the upper? idk what all is included in there."

That's going to take a couple hours to reply to...instead, check out this site:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/b/3_AR_15.html
They've got great walkthroughs on building an entire rifle.

Quick comments...A 20" bull barrel sucks to walk around with because it'll be heavy. Barrel accuracy is first determined by quality, second by stiffness (diameter). You can buy a quality lighter weight barrel that will easily be good enough for 200 yards. Buy just about anything from any of the better manufacturers (noveske, bravo company, fulton armory, and the more expensive ones...).

Government profile: thin under the front sight base (FSB), medium in front of the FSB
Pencil: thin fore and aft of FSB
HBAR: heavy under handguard, medium in front of FSB
SOCOM: medium fore and aft of FSB
Bull: same as HBAR under handguard but also same diameter in front of FSB

If you expect to shoot a lot then you probably want an HBAR or a high quality SOCOM.

ah, screw it, I'm done typing. Just look at the ar-15 site.

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 11:35 PM. Reason : ]

11/22/2011 11:31:44 PM