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"Aimloint T1 w/ A.R.M.S qd mount. I'm going to change it to a Daniel defense fixed mount. I really don't need qd on this rifle. "

do you compete or just a big Magpul Dynamics fan?

[Edited on November 3, 2011 at 11:53 AM. Reason : .]

11/3/2011 11:52:51 AM

This was discussed a little earlier. I wanted all my FDE to match, and the Magpul stuff is nice.
So part of the answer is that I am in small part, a fan.

I also participate in two day rifle and pistol courses, but only compete in GSSF Glock matches currently. I have plans to compete more in the future though.
That is why if you saw my AR in person you would tell that it is truly used, and not a safe/range queen.

11/3/2011 12:05:30 PM

^ not referring to the Magpul products, just referring to Magpul Dynamics. Have you ever thought about signing up for one of their courses?

11/3/2011 12:08:18 PM

Looking for a 22 rifle to really start working on my accuracy. Any suggestions on a good target 22 that is decent enough to shoot accurately, but wont break the bank? I have a Mossberg plinkster 22, but it's kind of a shitty 22.

I am looking for a 22, even though I already have several other rifles, I figure the 22 is a good way to learn some of the finer skills, without spending 25-50 cents a bullet as I do with the AR-15.

I noticed at some local matches, they were using modified ruger 1022s, but I wanted to ask here too.

11/3/2011 7:27:09 PM

i'd go bolt action. something like a CZ 452.

[Edited on November 3, 2011 at 7:53 PM. Reason : or a Savage 93]

11/3/2011 7:52:39 PM

For semi-auto, I doubt you will find anything better or more customizable than the ruger 10-22.



I've not really looked at the Magpul dynamics stuff. I know there are a lot of sack riders for chris costa though.
I have done classes under the Larry vickers training.

11/3/2011 8:00:41 PM

Costa benefits from being an excellent instructor; but in terms of an actual practical shooting system, I'd go Vickers all day.

11/4/2011 5:46:28 AM

Marlin 795. (not just because I have one ) ~$100 w/rebate new. After going to Appleseed I can hit ~2 MOA. The rifle is more accurate than I ever will be with iron sights. I don't think you can go wrong with any .22lr that I've seen as it mostly comes down to preference and $$$.

11/4/2011 8:22:50 AM

11/4/2011 8:57:41 AM

nice pinky extension you have there

11/4/2011 9:04:34 AM

lol, yeh... I'm not sure why they even included that on there (I certainly didn't put it on ).

11/4/2011 9:06:52 AM

I can totally see you grabbing the magazine like a baseball bat and pistol whippin' bitches, after you run out of ammo that is...

11/4/2011 10:22:01 AM

haha, good point.

gonna go work on my swing during lunch.

11/4/2011 10:23:30 AM

looks like you could let a little kid use it at putt putt

11/4/2011 11:05:01 AM

Coolest pistol/mag combo ever!
You should OC it.

11/4/2011 12:08:47 PM

I hope you never run into a situation where you run out of ammo with that bad boy and are forced to use your gun as a club


I might actually like shooting the gun more with that thing on there (those micro guns are so hard for my goliath hands to get a grip on)

11/4/2011 12:11:25 PM

BULLETS FOR DAYS

11/4/2011 1:36:27 PM

I'm glad I have skinny fingers. Holding onto my LCP is no problem even without a grip extension.

11/4/2011 1:58:23 PM

haha nice LCP mag

I got a 25rd one for my CZ a couple weeks ago

11/4/2011 2:30:09 PM

Coool.
I have an SP-01 Tactical. It fits like a glove.
CZs are often overlooked IMO.



[Edited on November 4, 2011 at 2:49 PM. Reason : pic sucks because I got it off of my facebook]

11/4/2011 2:46:00 PM

^yeah I agree, great guns for the money.

I've heard good things about the P-07, but have yet to see or hold one.

11/4/2011 4:47:21 PM

Yeah, some people love the P-07 and I haven't heard anything bad. I haven't held one either but I'm not really interested in compacts because I have two compact Sigs.
I did look at the poly version of the SP-01 (Phantom?) but I just love the grip on the steel version. Being a full size for the home and range I wanted the extra weight too.

How do you like the trigger on your P-01? Mine has a ton of creep but is light and predictable. If I could do it over again I would get the regular version (DA/SA with safety) because the decocker CZs only have one hammer hook. It's not as easy to do a trigger job and I'm scared it'll wear quickly with just one hook.

[Edited on November 4, 2011 at 5:43 PM. Reason : ]

11/4/2011 5:36:47 PM

30 rounds of glorious .40



[Edited on November 4, 2011 at 7:23 PM. Reason : /]

11/4/2011 7:23:20 PM

Cool, thanks for the advice on the 22. The gun show is here in charleston thanksgiving weekend, gonna see what I can pick up there.

just got the semi-auto S&W bodyguard .380 as my new carry weapon, sold my bersa thunder to my buddy. I really like the bodyguard so far, been a fun gun to shoot.

11/4/2011 9:07:08 PM

^^^I didn't know that. I have the decocker as well. It's a little rough in DA, but SA is awesome. Then again I have little to base it against, my other pistols are a walther p22 and a V2 p2000sk


also this appears to the the official MEGA HUGE PISTOL MAGAZINE page of this thread

[Edited on November 4, 2011 at 11:36 PM. Reason : .]

11/4/2011 11:35:25 PM

bought a remington 870 super mag at bass pro shops over the weekend.

had a pretty good sale going in addition to mail in rebate. ive wanted a 12 gauge that could shoot all manner of shells for awhile now.

bought a box of ten 3.5 inch magnums and will likely have 9 of them in the box for a long time.

/vagina

11/6/2011 5:50:56 PM

3.5s do a number on the shoulder, but idk what they're useful for besides deer hunting with slugs. i have some for turkey hunting, but i don't really think they help.

11/6/2011 7:08:59 PM

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"3.5s do a number on the shoulder"

The worst my shoulder was ever bruised firing a shotgun was when i shot a 3.5 magnum out of a crappy shotgun that had no recoil damping at all.

Was holding the stock pretty tight against me too.


For the 22 I was talkin about above, I think ive decided on a ruger 10-22, and spend the rest that I would have spent on a higher dollar rifle on some nice action targets. I saw some competitive trees and some resetting targets that were pretty nice last gun show.

11/6/2011 7:50:27 PM

whats the best (cheap) rifle i can buy in 30-06 as a christmas gift?

id like it to to have open sights instead of forcing me (of the giftee) to buy a scope.

i guess i dont mind one of those scoped combos (as long as it isnt a POS).

i dont know enough about the cheap remingtons, mossbergs, savages, howas, etc to know what to stay away from.

also, they have a lot of this surplus M2 ammo (black tip) and i was wondering if this would function alright? the only gun they have is a garand (collectors item) that theyre never going to shoot, so i was thinking this would be a good way to eat into the thousands of rounds they have.

a plus might be a camo stock, but that isnt very important. mail-in rebates etc are appreciated as well!

thanks in advance,

11/6/2011 8:05:23 PM

what do you wanna do with it? deer hunt? i guess you're looking a bolt gun, right?

you really knock a lot of great rifles out of the running by requiring iron sights. a fine scope for an '06 can be had for about $150. you can burn through $150 worth of 30-06 ammo in no time. you'll really get the full potential out of a 30-06 if you scope it.

with that said, the Marlin XL7, Savage Axis, and Howa 1500 are all pretty accurate and good buys for the money.

[Edited on November 6, 2011 at 8:16 PM. Reason : and i've never seen a scoped combo that didn't have a POS scope. better than nothing, i guess.]

11/6/2011 8:14:45 PM

just shooting at makeshift targets and whatnot off the porch really.

going to dicks sporting goods tomorrow to see if any $100 rebate stuff is in effect-

11/6/2011 8:34:43 PM

any reason (other than already having some milsurp ammo) for going .30-06? if i absolutely had to plink with a centerfire, i'd go .223. i'd just sell off that .30-06. it's loud, it recoils hard. i guess i just don't get off on the boom factor anymore.

11/6/2011 8:56:28 PM

I have a savage axis (formerly edge) in .270 WIN that I really like. It came with a cheap scope and camo stock for $349 at dicks last year. I do intend to replace the scope at some point, so if the recoil gets to it then it won't really bother me. All I really use it for now is deer hunting, but it is fairly accurate for the money. Only downside is the trigger, which can be adjusted by replacing a spring and slam-testing it.

11/6/2011 9:56:48 PM

Marlin XS/XL series IMO is the only rifle that is worth a darn under $300/$400. The Axis/Edge Savages are very very accurate, but a terrible trigger keeps them from performing better. The Marlins perform well under 1" at 100yrds with a great trigger.

11/6/2011 10:04:32 PM

i might be able to get a NIB ruger mk II in 30-06 for $400.

at least thats what i offered when he was asking $500.

its 5 years old but hes looking to unload it.

synthetic/stainless

fingers crossed-

11/7/2011 10:47:56 AM

huh? at mk II in a rifle caliber? what am I missing here...


or were you talking about the M77 mark ii... I assume that is what you mean, but when I hear someone say mark II or III, I think of the 22lr pistol

[Edited on November 7, 2011 at 6:20 PM. Reason : s]

11/7/2011 6:15:25 PM

sorry, m77- youre right.

im fucking retarded today- eating cup noodles and fighting a head cold.

11/7/2011 9:01:47 PM

http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2011/11/07/chris-costa-is-leaving-magpul-dynamics/

Costa & Magpul just broke up, Costa is now listed as Single on Facebook so I know its official

11/7/2011 9:06:13 PM

Time chime in on the rifle comment, I bought a Savage 22lr bolt action around 3 months ago and love it (accutrigger, bought a cheap scope of amazon, etc). At 25 yards, I can put them in one bullet hole around 1 out of 2 or 3 times. Given my shitty set up (bipod and shoulder shooting on a small stool, cheap scope, amateur trigger finger), I think thats pretty decent.

11/7/2011 9:12:11 PM

accutrigger is the best thing since sliced bread. great that we can get such an awesome trigger for a reasonable price.

11/7/2011 9:22:44 PM

^x6 If you don't know much about rifles, I'll give you my opinion. The m77 mkii is a beautifully designed and built gun, especially in blued and walnut. In general they are accurate enough but will never be as accurate out of the box as savages and Remington 700s and other makes. That's because they're flat bottomed receivers with little bedding area and one of the action screws is at an angle. All that makes for uneven pressure between the action and stock. The m77s I've seen will usually hold groups in the 1-3moa range vs 0.75-1.5 of other makes. I've bedded two that shot in the 3-4moa range and only saw marginal improvements. I don't really know how much it helped because the dude I bedded them for is an idiot who can't measure groups or have enough sense to try different ammo. That's all in general terms. I've seen a couple that shot very well. A synthetic stock helps because they usually fit the action better than the wood stocks.

Don't let the accuracy reputation deter you from getting one. I'd take a nicely machined Mauser style m77 that only shot decent over a POS quality tack driving 700 any day. The m77 has a lot more character.

If you want accurate and cheap instead of character then get a savage. The floating bolt heads and accutriggers make for some awesome shooting guns at a great price.

In short, get whatever you want, just don't buy a Remington 700. They're pieces of crap; just look at the cheap stamped spring steel extractors held in place by tiny rivets, the raceways are filled with huge machining gouges and the bolts rattle around because they're a lot smaller than the action. There's a reason why sako style extractors and sleeved bolts are common mods. All that and every redneck in the south owns one and thinks the world of them even though they can't tell you why it's such a good gun and cant actually show you a decent group they've shot with one.
[/rant] that's the only biased thing you'll heard from me about guns.

[Edited on November 8, 2011 at 1:25 AM. Reason : Needed to rant]

11/8/2011 1:16:18 AM

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"every redneck in the south owns one and thinks the world of them even though they can't tell you why it's such a good gun"

sometimes you'll get something about U.S. army and marine snipers using a 700

11/8/2011 6:28:40 AM

So the fact that the military uses them makes joe bob's 700adl a great gun? An m40 is a very different gun than a production line 700. I didn't say 700s can't be good shooters, I'm just saying your typical sporter weight or regular production line heavy barreled 700 is overrated.

IMO if a guy can't tell you what's good about a gun that he says is better than other guns then his opinion doesn't carry any weight.

The 700 has only two good things (which are major factors if you're looking for accuracy), a cylindrical receiver that beds very well/very easily and a huge aftermarket supported by a lot of gunsmiths. Otherwise it's inherently no better than a savage, howa/vanguard, a bolt, tikka, etc.

11/8/2011 5:36:40 PM

i was rolling my eyes at the folks who use "military snipers use it" as the reason they own one. i'm in total agreement with you.

11/8/2011 5:48:09 PM

^ +1 to that!!!

everyone around here (rural sc) thinks the 700 and the 1911 are the greatest thing ever. i get laughed at constantly for carrying a "pussy 9mm"

11/8/2011 5:52:39 PM

I usually ask those same people, "So would you mind if I shot you with it?"

Usually they back off...

11/8/2011 6:31:36 PM

^^^ sorry, I'm an idiot

^&^^ I hate that too. My primary concealed handgun is a weak little 38 and my other carry gun is an even weaker 380. I like it when someone starts blabbering about the knockdown power of a 45. You ask them if they honestly believe it would push a man hard enough to make him at least take a step back then ask them if they've ever taken any physics classes. It's fun watching them as they try to wrap their brains around it.

I had a conversation with a friend about deer hunting. He'd shot a deer with a 45lc and missed his poa but ended up clipping the spinal cord. The deer went down easily. He's also shot a deer with a large flat meplat 525gr soft cast lead nose (hard cast base) bullet out of a full power 458 winmag. He hit it through the lungs and clipped its heart. The deer ran 60 yards. That convinced him that if a man stops whatever he's doing after he's been shot then he's either been shot in the cnc or he decided to stop. I guess that's why people under the influence of drugs aren't stopped as easily; they aren't as easily convinced to stop under those psychological conditions. If a crazy hand load out of a 458 winmag doesn't immediately put a deer down after hitting the vitals then 'knockdown' power doesn't exist.

11/9/2011 1:41:15 AM

As you've described in your examples Fumbler, it's all about bullet placement.

11/9/2011 5:17:20 AM

I read an article one time about the need for shooting animals with larger calibers than humans because animals don't know they've been shot.

As far as 'knockdown' power I'll relate an anecdote; (obligatory 'no shit there I was...') Baghdad 2008, I was standing about 4 feet away from my old roommate. He just fell over on his ass, like when somebody goes to sit down in a chair and someone else takes it away from behind them. I was like "Dude wtf are you doing...." Neither of us had heard a shot.

He held up his left forearm and goes "Fuck man somebody shot me..." Sure as shit he had an entry wound there on his forearm, and the bullet cut through his elbow and exited a little lower than the tricep area.

Doctors later figured it was a 9mm. He described the sensation as "I was so surprised that somebody shot me, that I just fell over."

So I thought of that article. He knew he'd been shot, he went down. Animals don't know, that's why if you have shitty shot placement, they'll just run until organ failure.

11/9/2011 5:38:46 AM

less than a week old and the 870 has a nick on the barrel!

what is this camo coating on it anyway? some kind of dip or wrap?

someone tell me every good gun needs a nick or two

11/9/2011 4:00:44 PM