grossssssssssssssssssssssssssss

6/9/2015 11:03:08 PM

Caitlyn squirts like no other woman.

6/9/2015 11:05:09 PM

I'm pretty sure BlackJesus has a secret tranny fetish.

6/9/2015 11:16:37 PM

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" none of your rights would change? if you all of the sudden identify as a chick and have a surgery, you can legally be denied housing, schooling, adoption, employment, etc. based solely on your trans identity in many states. "

You can't deny someone employment based on the fact that they're transgendered, that is a violation of federal laws protected under sex discrimination.

Trans people aren't being targeted and beaten on the streets in 2015. Yes their lives suck because they have to surgically attempt to be something they aren't, but the "Transphobia" is pretty much just anonymous comments on the internet being blown out of proportion, weird looks in public, etc.

Also, all of this is dependent on the trans persons DECISION to have surgery.

6/9/2015 11:16:57 PM

Tranny is an offensive word. Please call them shemales.

6/9/2015 11:18:00 PM

^^^And is that hurting anyone? Why do you feel the need to judge? You must want him to commit suicide you rethuglican

6/9/2015 11:25:23 PM

Who are you to shame me for fucking trannies?

6/9/2015 11:26:43 PM

^^ only hurting himself. I want him to embrace who he is rather than fight it.

6/9/2015 11:35:06 PM

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"Trans people aren't being targeted and beaten on the streets in 2015."

Yes they are.

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"Today, the National Coalition on Anti-Violence Programs (NCAVP) released their 2014 hate violence report. While overall violence against LGBT people went down by 32 percent, crimes against transgender people rose by 13 percent. "

http://www.hrc.org/blog/entry/violence-against-transgender-community-continues-to-increase

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"I don't see how that is possible in today's world. Unless your job is somehow rigidly tied to your gender. Like I could see a stripper get fired if her boss found out she used to be a dude."

It happens all the time. If a person hates gay/transgender people (or really any minority) they'll find any excuse to get rid of them. Here's a story where a software engineer came out as trans and went from a six figure salary to homeless. You'd think that her skills and being in the liberal DC area would protect her, but I guess not.

6/9/2015 11:38:40 PM

have not read the thread. good job for bruce/caitlyn to live the life they want. I feel sorry for family members who might be thrown aback by it (is this the case? i don't honestly know. i don't read too much into any tabloid type media.)

but I have read so much blowback from people who are not personally involved... time to turn off your tv and internet.

As a man who supports personal liberty, I am not the most well read in the LGBTTQQIAAP community/continuum, but as a point of principle, a person should not be put down or discriminated against because of who they are, who their brains tell them they are, or who they find attractive. (even if the majority doesn't understand their natural point of view)

6/9/2015 11:43:45 PM

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"I certainly don't think that is right"

Um, yes, not having to deal with workplace discrimination based on identity is literally a civil right.

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"^^still don't understand why you care so much.. did you ever answer that"

Does there need to be some deep seated reason for the particular side I take in a given internet argument? Why don't you ask the oddly staunch gender traditionalists why they care so much?

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"You can't deny someone employment based on the fact that they're transgendered, that is a violation of federal laws protected under sex discrimination."

Kind of like how weed possession is a violation of federal law? Semi-serious question. I'm not familiar with enforcement of state law vs. federal in that case or this one. But surveys of trans folks generally return pretty high numbers wrt varying kinds of discrimination. And many states do not have anti-discrimination laws for trans folks.

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"Trans people aren't being targeted and beaten on the streets in 2015."

Right

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/man-indicted-fatal-beating-transgendered-woman-article-1.2136035

http://gaycitynews.nyc/transwoman-brutally-beaten-bushwick/

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-30797311

http://www.advocate.com/politics/transgender/2014/05/30/watch-atlanta-trans-women-beaten-train-bystanders-film

http://www.toledoblade.com/Police-Fire/2014/11/07/Transgender-woman-in-hospital-after-brutal-attack.html

http://transequality.org/issues/resources/national-transgender-discrimination-survey-full-report

6/9/2015 11:45:38 PM

to be fair, plenty of cisgender people are beaten to death in new york city, too

[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 11:48 PM. Reason : those culturally tolerant northerners]

[Edited on June 9, 2015 at 11:52 PM. Reason : if we ban guns and assault, this wouldn't have happened]

6/9/2015 11:48:03 PM

I CANT BELIEVE THIS FREAK WON A MAJOR AWARD OVER A DISABLED VET AND SOMEONE WHO LOST A CANCER BATTLE

6/9/2015 11:49:56 PM

there are different types of courage. of course the most obvious is the person who goes to fight a war and put his/her life on the line and possibly die or become wounded for our protection and national interest, (and make no doubt about it, the people who have done this have my utmost respect and are undoubtedly personal heroes) but there is also personal courage... courage to take steps to become the person who you know you are in the face of an entire society who doesn't understand your plight.

[Edited on June 10, 2015 at 12:01 AM. Reason : ]

6/9/2015 11:59:28 PM

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"You can't deny someone employment based on the fact that they're transgendered, that is a violation of federal laws protected under sex discrimination."

care to post which federal law specifically protects transpeople?

6/10/2015 12:00:27 AM

Smath not trolling in a non-Kerbal thread? It's more likely than you think

6/10/2015 12:00:36 AM

i figured i'd drop the trolling shtick.

6/10/2015 12:01:57 AM

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"(i like movies too)"

6/10/2015 12:05:30 AM

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"to be fair, plenty of cisgender people are beaten to death in new york city, too "

Sure, but I feel like there's a difference between being beaten indiscriminantly for a rolex or cellphone or argument (which can happen to trans folks too) and being beaten specifically because someone feels their fragile masculinity and heterosexuality is being threatened because they just accidentally flirted with a trans person. The latter is inextricably tied to the victim's identity. I'm not saying the former is fine and dandy but violence based on marginalized identity is a different type of fucked.

6/10/2015 12:10:37 AM

and tied to the offender's state of mind.

6/10/2015 12:18:34 AM

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"In 2012, the EEOC held that discrimination against an individual because that person is transgender (also known as gender identity discrimination) is discrimination because of sex and therefore is prohibited under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. "

http://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/newsroom/wysk/enforcement_protections_lgbt_workers.cfm

6/10/2015 12:20:03 AM

fair enough

still doesn't change the fact that there are states that don't have laws protecting transpeople from either being not hired or losing their jobs due to being trans

[Edited on June 10, 2015 at 12:23 AM. Reason : .]

6/10/2015 12:22:43 AM

Not to be crass, but are there reports of people losing "regular" jobs like in an office or in retail or a small business, or is it like a hooters waitress (waiter?) getting fired

[Edited on June 10, 2015 at 12:34 AM. Reason : .]

6/10/2015 12:34:47 AM

It really is a scary world outside of Knightdale, Garner, Cary, Willow Springs, Holly Springs, Fuquay, Apex, or any other lame ass Wake suburb I guess...

6/10/2015 12:42:02 AM

I've been in some pretty crazy places myself. But I sense a theme here of people who, through no fault of their own, are coming into the concept and awareness of the transperson population, and they don't understand. Condescending assholism isn't the best way to teach tolerance.

6/10/2015 12:48:31 AM

Bweez confirmed as tranny ITT

6/10/2015 1:41:04 AM

Hey Bweez, can you go back and check your reading comprehension?

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"[quote] "I certainly don't think that is right""

Um, yes, not having to deal with workplace discrimination based on identity is literally a civil right.[/quote]

Where did I say anything wasn't a right? I said it wasn't right, as in someone discriminating in the workplace.

[Edited on June 10, 2015 at 7:16 AM. Reason : Can't do nested quotes?]

6/10/2015 7:16:15 AM

^tru. my bad.

^^^if people genuinely want to learn they're perfectly capable of googling for five minutes or clicking a link already in the thread. forgive me if it doesn't seem like people spouting slurs and dick jokes, purposefully misgendering, and actively arguing that these folks are simply mentally ill men that deserve nothing from modern medicine or society have much interest in "understanding."

http://www.derailingfordummies.com/derail-using-education/

also BubbleBobble confirmed as having a crush on me iTT

6/10/2015 7:24:03 AM

I don't get how it is sex discrimination when clearly sex =/= gender

6/10/2015 7:37:17 AM

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" Here's a story where a software engineer came out as trans and went from a six figure salary to homeless. "

And if they were fired because they were Trans, that is illegal and they have a lawsuit.

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"crimes against transgender people rose by 13 percent.""

Such an unbiased source

I read the link, 8 trans people were killed so far in 2015. 7 out of 8 were black trans woman. I'd say it was more likely they were killed because they had prior arrest records, were lower-class citizens, were black, etc.

The articles also say "there was a 32% decrease in reported hate crimes... but uh, that doesn't mean there is less hate this is a national crisis we need money and legislation still!"

This narrative that trans violence is a "national crisis" is bullshit. Fortunately for this link though, black on black crime IS a national crisis, and some black people happen to be trans.

6/10/2015 9:54:29 AM

Don't use Black on Black violence to fight your trannie battles

6/10/2015 9:58:36 AM

can you guys acknowledge Clifton already? He is trying really hard to get attention, so how about some acknowledgment

6/10/2015 10:02:15 AM

Clifton who?

Again, I wish for every transgender person to be able to live their lives without discrimination or violence performed against them. But to call this a national crisis? That just lessens the real problems they face, because this is nowhere near a national crisis.

Calling this a national crisis is just laughable, and goes to show how far these knights in shining armor will go to push an agenda.

6/10/2015 10:10:40 AM

6/10/2015 10:13:30 AM

Its about time someone took a stand against Big Transgenderism, and their nefarious agenda...

6/10/2015 10:23:56 AM

6/10/2015 11:06:13 AM

TWW is the GOLO replacement every since they took it away.

6/10/2015 12:32:24 PM

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"When my tax dollars go to fund public education, then those facilities need to meet the needs of the many, not the 3. "

Several pages back...but what the fuck kind of special facilities do we need for a transgender?? They'll just go to whichever bathroom of the gender they have chosen. If they don't have adequate plumbing to use a urinal, then they can use the toilet.

6/10/2015 12:56:00 PM

It's always about something or someone threatening tax dollars with this crowd, so I'm sure it was just a blanket statement he made before thinking it through. If it's not taxes, it's guns. If it's not guns, it's state's rights. It's about sizing up threats and living in fear of change; regardless of whatever that change may be. Just laugh at it.

6/10/2015 1:13:29 PM

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"what the fuck kind of special facilities do we need for a transgender?"

some places are advocating for (and I think even building) "gender neutral bathrooms"

(either for transsexuals, or for people who identify as "gender neutral"...probably both.)

6/10/2015 1:34:33 PM

REPLACING ALL THE SIGNS ON THE BATHROOM DOORS IS A THREAT TO MY TAX DOLLARS

6/10/2015 1:45:06 PM

> some places...

> RAWR RAWR RAWR WE AIN'T BUILDING SHIT WITH MY TAX DOLLARS

6/10/2015 1:45:20 PM

^aren't you the guy that constantly gave OPEII shit for posting pics of "trannies"??

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"TWW is the GOLO replacement every since they took it away."

Not even close man. Again, you're not adding anything to the conversation. You'd probably do better and get more attention if you were posting on the Huffington Post or moveon.org

6/10/2015 1:50:43 PM

I bet Bullet calls into sports radio talkshows.

6/10/2015 2:02:54 PM

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"> some places... > RAWR RAWR RAWR WE AIN'T BUILDING SHIT WITH MY TAX DOLLARS"

right, I don't think bathrooms intended specifically for transsexual people are a good investment of tax dollars

do you?

6/10/2015 2:07:38 PM

What's next? Black people in white bathrooms? Think of the children, people.

6/10/2015 2:08:46 PM

^^I don't think you quite understand the implications of gender neutrality. What you just said is pure comedy.

Also, Bullet, do you ever hang out with Cool Dad Joe Ovies at the Durham Bulls park? I bet you feel pretty hip, right? Better not get stuck out there after dark; it's dangerous!!!!!

[Edited on June 10, 2015 at 2:10 PM. Reason : k]

6/10/2015 2:10:09 PM

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"right, I don't think bathrooms intended specifically for transsexual people are a good investment of tax dollars"

You don't want them in the bathroom they feel comfortable in. You don't want them to have their own bathroom either.

The handicapped should just drag themselves up the stairs I guess. Waste of tax dollars to put in ramps for such a small number of people.

[Edited on June 10, 2015 at 2:11 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2015 2:11:24 PM

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"^I don't think you quite understand the implications of gender neutrality. What you just said is pure comedy. "

please elaborate.

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"You don't want them in the bathroom they feel comfortable in."

that's not what I said...I haven't expressed any stance, and I really don't care if they go in female bathrooms, provided they have vaginas or at least are outwardly indistinguishable from women. (and vv)

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"The handicapped should just drag themselves up the stairs I guess. Waste of tax dollars to put in ramps for such a small number of people."

This is COMPLETELY different, man. A totally different question.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man


[Edited on June 10, 2015 at 2:15 PM. Reason : egre]

6/10/2015 2:11:38 PM

^^while that's really apples and oranges, how many women do you think will be okay with former men using using the same bathrooms and locker rooms? I'd be willing to bet that a decent percentage would be pretty uncomfortable with it. Are you speaking for the majority of women when you say that people shouldn't worry about the bathroom situation?

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"Also, Bullet, do you ever hang out with Cool Dad Joe Ovies at the Durham Bulls park? I bet you feel pretty hip, right? Better not get stuck out there after dark; it's dangerous!!!!!"

you obviously know nothing about me, most conservatives on here would call me a "liberal". and i assume you're 16?


[Edited on June 10, 2015 at 2:13 PM. Reason : ]

6/10/2015 2:12:47 PM