6/11/2007 2:37:53 AM
The ending reminded me of the last episode of angel. The difference is angel went out with a clear statement of the shows theme while this was intended for the viewer to [insert interpretation here].I see a lot of people on another forum going with the theory that the last moment is tony's perspective as he gets shot by creepy trucker guy.I'm leaning towards the "life goes on" theory, except that now for tony "life" includes paranoia at every moment that the feds/new york are gonna pop out and arrest/kill him.[Edited on June 11, 2007 at 2:46 AM. Reason : also, the sound phil's head made was pretty much the best thing ever]
6/11/2007 2:45:31 AM
Tony is not dead, that guy did not whack him. Its fucking 2007 who stashes a guy like that. He would just have come in and done it. Also who would even whack Tony?
6/11/2007 2:47:34 AM
lol i never meant to suggest that the dude would actually stash a gun or whatnot. i just think it's quite obvious that the intent was there to make you expect that the random guy was bad news for tony. maybe i'm crazy, but i thought the scene was constructed in a way to make you think about that Godfather scene. i'm not saying that i think a random guy would really stash a gun in the bathroom.whatever, it was just a thought anyway. that's just what i thought of when watching it.and i absolutely do not believe the sudden cut to black was intended to represent tony's death from his point of view. in all the show's years we've never been restricted to only tony's view. we always see everything. there is no basis for that kind of limited perspective based on the history of the show. plus, if that indeed were the intent, i think it would have been done a little differently. for one, i don't think that the last thing we'd see would be tony's face, it would be what he was looking at. and i think we would at least hear a gunshot or something...it's definitely the "life goes on" ending[Edited on June 11, 2007 at 2:56 AM. Reason : ]
6/11/2007 2:52:47 AM
^ yeah i got the thought as well but its just not likely to me that he whacked tony, and i know thats not what you were sayin but others are.
6/11/2007 2:55:08 AM
yeah, i don't think he got whacked
6/11/2007 2:56:57 AM
They should have just rickrolled us at the end instead.
6/11/2007 3:02:39 AM
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6/11/2007 7:54:29 AM
who would want to kill tony? New York hated Phil, and Tony did them a favor.
6/11/2007 9:01:35 AM
Yeah, i guess everyone else in NY/NJ just loved Tony.
6/11/2007 9:05:37 AM
lol...my brother and I've been emailing back and forth already this morning...his take
6/11/2007 9:23:22 AM
I can't believe it's over... But awesome episode with a great ending. I will miss the Sopranos. Farewell.
6/11/2007 9:31:15 AM
what Bobby said was "You never even hear teh one that gets you do ya?" And Tony's answer was ask the buck on the wall. His question was answered because Bobby heard his. The first shot was in his shoulder and it spun him around. He heard it.
6/11/2007 9:57:16 AM
^ The one that "gets ya" would be the one that kills you, not necessarily the first bullet that hits you...
6/11/2007 10:00:31 AM
6/11/2007 10:05:30 AM
whatever you want to believe, chief.that's why Chase ended it the way he did.
6/11/2007 10:10:02 AM
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6/11/2007 10:17:42 AM
Mr. Seitz's bloghttp://mattzollerseitz.blogspot.com/2007/06/sopranos-mondays-season-6-ep-22-made-in.html
6/11/2007 10:20:32 AM
Maybe instead of the Tony-gets-whacked angle we should look at Tony-gets-busted-by-undercover-agents angle. At the very end we have Meadow, the future criminal lawyer *running* in just in time to witness. Recall one time way back Soprano is dragged out in handcuffs as soon as Meadow arrives at the front door.
6/11/2007 10:28:13 AM
Basically, this discussion is why the ending was brilliant. You have your opinion and I have mine. I can't prove mine and neither can you.BUT, I also understand those who wanted a big payoff or final ending because, in the end, no matter what Mr. Chase says or believes, it's still a tv show.I loved the ending, however, the rest of the episode was just so-so to me. Things felt very rushed...and that was strange for a writer like David Chase who didn't feel the need to "spoon feed" his audience with neat little story bows.Personally, I think Tony was shot in the resturant, and not by the last Member in the Member's Only Club. Just somebody he didn't notice or expect before. Bacala asked Tony, "Do you think you ever hear it coming?" Tony says, "No. Ask your little friend in there (stuffed deer)."Randoms: Anyone hear the faint sound of ducks when Tony was outside cleaning the backyard? AJ and Meadow were "returning to the nest", but like the ducks soon will discover, the pool is drained and disgusting (maybe an insight into Tony's impending death?)-This is maybe a stretch, but I also thought that the title was not so much a reference to AJ's diatribe at Bobby's funeral, but a commentary on the snapshot of America we saw at the burger joint. It was like the audience of the show was sitting with Tony and the family for one last meal. -Also, why do you think Tony could be more honest ("I could never please my mother") with AJ's therapist than he EVER was with Melfi? He got more out of his 30 second admission to the new Dr. than he did in seven years w/ Doc Melfi.In the end, didn't Livia get the last word? "Ehh...it's all a big nothing."
6/11/2007 10:28:19 AM
6/11/2007 10:36:54 AM
if you look at tony's expression after the junior meeting when he talks to him about his money and realizes he doesnt remember anything he did/said, it kind of goes back to the livia " it's all a big nothing" premise...like after all the therapy and soulsearching and such, tony had his first real revelation in the fact that once he gets to juniors age, it could all be for nothing, that he wont remember anything he ever did or worked for
6/11/2007 10:47:29 AM
6/11/2007 10:49:23 AM
One other theme to look at in this episode is lonliness. Basically all Tony has left is his biological family (minus Uncle Jr), Artie (sort of), Paulie and Patsy (and an assorted number of dead guy's wives and kids).Go back to previous episodes, in fact maybe even the first episode during that cookout, all those friends, family, and Family that originally associated with him, Melfi to 'heal' him, all those goomaras he got tail from... Rooms full of people. Now its just him, his dumb wife, is absolute failure 'first born male', and criminal-lawyer who may yet become another housewife daughter.Perhaps the message is "In the Sopranos family, you die alone". Much like his mother did, and Uncle Jr. will surely die alone too.
6/11/2007 10:51:46 AM
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6/11/2007 10:58:00 AM
the rub though, is not that it's a "make your own ending"it's precisely that there is no ending
6/11/2007 11:07:24 AM
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6/11/2007 12:04:33 PM
Chase pwnt us all. If only he had made Tony say""yo homes to bel air"[Edited on June 11, 2007 at 12:10 PM. Reason : thats why it was great.]
6/11/2007 12:09:50 PM
I personally hated the episode. Yes, I get the little dynamic or 'trick' of his cracker jack box ending...but that doesnt mean I like it.Sorry, but I've invested over 5 years in subscription fees to HBO and dvd sales, as well as avid viewership to expect some sort of closure in whatever thematic way it wants to be.Instead I get some write your own adventure book, a selfish 'lesson to a viewer's expectations' crap, and a left door bail out hatch for a movie if enough money changes hands.Bullshit.
6/11/2007 12:31:37 PM
I read somewhere this morning about how the ending might have been intended to make us feel how Tony always feels. The last 5 minutes were probably the most anxious minutes ive ever had watching a tv show, and its how tony feels 24 hours a day.Thinking back, that seems like an interesting theory.
6/11/2007 12:36:26 PM
6/11/2007 12:58:48 PM
hadn't thought of that, good idea though
6/11/2007 1:12:09 PM
when tony walks in to the restaurant, he sees himself at the tablewearing a different shirt than he has oninsignificant?
6/11/2007 1:15:49 PM
6/11/2007 1:17:33 PM
I just saw this posted on deadspin.com, the sports blog. It's an interesting theory...I don't know if it's true or not:UPDATE: If you REALLY want some closure, here's a theory circulating on the HBO boards that has some validity:"I tried to post this on the forum; however, my internet is lame here at work, anyway... posted at the HBO boards:"So here is what I found out. The guy at the bar is also credited as Nikki Leotardo. The same actor played him in the first part of season 6 during a brief sit down concerning the future of Vito. That wasn't that long ago. Apparently, he is the nephew of Phil. Phil's brother Nikki Senior was killed in 1976 in a car accident. Absolutely Genius!!!! David Chase is truly rewarding the true fans who pay attention to detail.So the point would have been that life continues and we may never know the end of the Sopranos. But if you pay attention to the history, you will find that all the answers lie in the characters in the restaurant. The trucker was the brother of the guy who was robbed by Christopher in Season 2. Remember the DVD players? The trucker had to identify the body. The boy scouts were in the train store and the black guys at the end were the ones who tried to kill Tony and only clipped him in the ear (was that season 2 or 3?)."--I think this is prob. bogus, but, hey, adding a little more fuel to the fire[Edited on June 11, 2007 at 1:41 PM. Reason : yo]
6/11/2007 1:30:02 PM
were they ghosts then? One of the black hitmen fatally shot the other hitman during the hit on tony during season 1. I don't think they looked remotely similar though.directors often use the same actors for multiple roles just because they are available to work and already have a history with the set.
6/11/2007 1:43:36 PM
^ i think he was imagining those people. sort of thinking about all the guys he has to look out for.
6/11/2007 1:54:39 PM
^^ Doesn't appear to be rightthe guys listed for some of those roles:Paolo Colandrea (Man in Members Only Jacket - the Italian who goes into the bathroom)Jimmy Spadola (Man in Diner)Du Kelly (African American Man #1 in Diner)Sharrieff Pugh (African American Man #2 in Diner)Patrick Joseph Connolly (Truck Driver in Diner)The first few guys aren't found on IMDB. Sharrief Pugh is listed, but he has never been on the Soprano's before this. There are a bunch of entries for the last guy, but again, none of them were ever on the Soprano's
6/11/2007 2:14:21 PM
Also circulating the internets is that there were two feeds of the ending of the show...some people's last shot was of Tony (which was mine), a lot of others are claiming that they saw Meadow as the last shot. Which was yours?[Edited on June 11, 2007 at 2:33 PM. Reason : edit]
6/11/2007 2:27:51 PM
man it happened all so fast i dunno what i sawi'll be watching it at least 3 more times this week
6/11/2007 2:30:41 PM
meadow
6/11/2007 2:35:11 PM
tony
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6/11/2007 3:08:18 PM
i hope AJ's girl moves to porn next year when she is 18
6/11/2007 3:14:50 PM