She's going to have to do a lot of stripping to pay for this shit.

4/19/2006 11:44:56 PM

I think after her name & real photos are leaked (inevitable) shes gonna have a hard time getting a stripping gig.

4/19/2006 11:59:17 PM

REally. Who would want to hire her?

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"I'd sue the DA though, maybe not for money but to have him removed from office and disbarred."

I think that is a good call. If I were one of the attorneys involved I would definitely be bringing a state Bar ethics complaint against Nifong. His unethical conduct warrants disbarment.

4/20/2006 12:35:00 AM

I do think she is lying, but just cause a bunch of people think that you are lying there has to be some evidence that she is lying. By evidence i mean more than her story doesnt add up, I'm talking admissions. There is enough physical evidence to support the possibilty that she was attacked which means you get no bank.

What conduct from Nifong do you believe to be unethical, i am talking specifics. and i'm not saying that he didnt do anything wrong I am just looking for pointed examples

4/20/2006 12:52:13 AM

well I'm going to bed now, but the fact that he is trying his case in the media is a big one. He gave over 70 interviews before any indictments were handed down. And the timing of the case, right before an election in which he is being challenged, is very very suspicious.

With the near-total want of evidence in this case, any prosecutor with any sense would drop it. The fact that he is not dropping it, combined with the timing of the case right before the election, should leave an extremely bad taste in the mouth of any Bar Overseer.

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"There is enough physical evidence to support the possibilty that she was attacked "

Of course there is physical "evidence." IF you were a woman and were planning to ruin a guy's life by falsely accusing him of rape, would you go to the cops with no "injuries"?

[Edited on April 20, 2006 at 12:57 AM. Reason : ?]

4/20/2006 12:55:38 AM

she accused a player that wasn't even present at the party....pretty sure you could equate that to lying/perjury

4/20/2006 12:56:18 AM

the whole perjury thing was about Nifong when it was being discussed

^^ the point is that since there is enough physical evidence to support the claim the players wont win a lawsuit becasue just because they dont get convicted

[Edited on April 20, 2006 at 1:01 AM. Reason : a]

4/20/2006 12:59:42 AM

Not if it's clear that she made the injuries up herself. And even if by some extreme leap of faith they believe that she actually did get injured, the accused THESE people and there is no evidence that THESE people did it. So they could still recover.

4/20/2006 1:08:33 AM

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"Duke apparently suspends all students who are accused of felonies."

All students not named Shelden Williams. He got admitted on scholarship after he was accused of felony rapage.

4/20/2006 1:26:42 AM

I give it ... one year before a publishing company picks this up and gets something out on it.

Out of curiosity ... anybody have statistics for how often something like this happens? Seems like its receiving a lot of national media attention (for obvious reasons), but I'm curios if its out of the ordinary or not.

4/20/2006 5:30:55 AM

How often women lie about rape? How often a DA who needs to win an election sticks tenterhooks into something sensational the months before? How often race becomes a bigger deal than the alleged crime? I think that's going to be really difficult to answer because the media will report the most frivolous thing they can find if there aren't any real news stories. I don't think this would have received so much glaring national attention if this happened in March 2003.

If you remember back to October of last year when a girl accused a guy of raping her the first thing TWW had to say about it was that she had sex and regretted it. I don't know how race played into that one but because it was two NCSU kids it wasn't on CNN for weeks.

4/20/2006 7:15:10 AM

when you have a 24hr news station, you have to make sure you have news on for 24hrs whether there is any or not

4/20/2006 8:13:25 AM

I bet the guy was "hott as fuck"

4/20/2006 8:33:35 AM

There must be double standards in durham


case in point:

Kid alegedly commits a murder, is only given $50,000 bond

http://www.heraldsun.com/durham/4-726291.html

These guys alledegly rape someone and get $400,000


doesn't make sense!!

4/20/2006 1:29:42 PM

a lot of thing go into bail, not just the offense. but, i see what you did there

4/20/2006 1:48:19 PM

we all know the Duke kids were such a flight risk. They might just take off and go live out their lives in Europe and won't ever come back

4/20/2006 2:09:25 PM

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""It had been my hope to charge all three of the assailants at the same time, but the evidence available to me at this moment does not permit that," Nifong said. "

Evidence? Is Nifong looking for a third lacrosse player who was somewhere else that night?

4/20/2006 2:17:38 PM

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"{{{ DRUDGE POLL }}} SHOULD DUKE ACCUSER'S NAME BE REVEALED? YES 80% 55,408 NO 20% 14,229 Total Votes: 69,637 "

4/20/2006 2:27:29 PM

what good would it do to release her name?

I'm suprised that it hasnt been leaked already, shit everything else has.

[Edited on April 20, 2006 at 2:33 PM. Reason : and another thing]

4/20/2006 2:32:44 PM

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"I don't know how race played into that one but because it was two NCSU kids it wasn't on CNN for weeks."

I asked a cop about this one and he said that the girl pretty much had slept with four guys that night and was regretting it because she cheated on her boyfriend and so she said she was raped.

4/20/2006 2:48:06 PM

Evidently the artificial fingernails that supposedly came off in the alleged struggle were already missing from the dancer, according to the photographs taken when she arrived.

4/20/2006 3:34:46 PM

they just did the timeline on cnn about one of the kids arrested

he had phone records, and receipt records and cab records of where he was

like he wasnt even at the house

4/20/2006 3:44:55 PM

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"Evidence? Is Nifong looking for a third lacrosse player who was somewhere else that night?"

[Edited on April 20, 2006 at 4:00 PM. Reason : OJ is playing golf with the third lacrosse player ]

4/20/2006 3:57:22 PM

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"I asked a cop about this one and he said that the girl pretty much had slept with four guys that night and was regretting it because she cheated on her boyfriend and so she said she was raped."

4/20/2006 4:08:54 PM

And we never heard about it again because it wasn't sensational.

4/20/2006 4:18:22 PM

is a cop allowed to tell you such things?

i thought there was some sort of confidentiality involved

4/20/2006 4:22:18 PM

Off the record.

4/20/2006 4:23:47 PM

Confidentiality like all of the other info that we have been spammed with?

4/20/2006 4:26:23 PM

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"I asked a cop about this one and he said that the girl pretty much had slept with four guys that night and was regretting it because she cheated on her boyfriend and so she said she was raped"

I know men are, but are women allowed to legally consent if they've had anything to drink? Even if this quote is right it could still be technical rape since there are different standards for men and women when it comes to drinking. (also in addition to women not being coherent enough to give consent while men are, in the eyes of the law no man has ever been or can be raped- its something that only affects women, and women are too weak for the draft, and plenty of other differences)

Within those legal differences between men and women there might be enough room for technical rape even if she consented. It would seem safer to not admit even admit to consensual sex on the part of the guys if there was any drinking involved if what I’m think about the standards for rape is correct (although maybe I’m totally off base). But since I’m just a spectator I don’t guess it matters how much uncertainty I have on the laws. It seems like there are people outraged on both sides, when it seems like right now the best position to be in is a lets wait and see position. I'm not sure what the point of being outraged before any trail is over is or how it could help the situation.

4/20/2006 4:38:50 PM

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"Durham County District Attorney Mike Nifong, however, has publicly stated he does believe some sort of sexual assault occurred, basing his belief on medical reports that said injuries on the alleged victim were consistent with rape. In a written statement earlier this week, he said he expected to make another arrest in the case. He has also said that aiding-and-abetting charges are also possible for other lacrosse players. DNA samples taken from 46 members of the lacrosse team failed to match evidence taken from the accuser. Nifong sent the samples to a private laboratory for more sophisticated tests that the State Bureau of Investigation crime lab is not certified to perform."

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"Mostafa said the woman, wearing jeans and a sweater, appeared to exchange words with some people in the crowd before getting into the driver's side of a car. "She looked, like, mad," he said. "In her face, the way she walked, the way she talked, she looked like mad.""

haha. she looked like mad.

4/20/2006 7:40:04 PM

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"basing his belief on medical reports that said injuries on the alleged victim were consistent with rape"

i think it's time to question the doctor and/or nurses that decided her injuries were consistent w/ rape...this is assuming they haven't already...

4/20/2006 7:46:54 PM

Quote :

"DNA samples taken from 46 members of the lacrosse team failed to match evidence taken from the accuser. Nifong sent the samples to a private laboratory for more sophisticated tests that the State Bureau of Investigation crime lab is not certified to perform.""

i bet these "new" tests take until May 6th to complete

4/20/2006 7:46:56 PM

they just put up a timeline of known facts on hannity and colmes and one of the guys has a proven alabi that he wasnt even at the house at the time. he got a taxi, and went to an atm and the taxi and cell phone records prove that he wasnt there during when the alleged rape took place.






the whore is lying

4/20/2006 9:06:13 PM

^The taxi driver came out with his story after he was approached by the boy's father. Just so you know...

Now here's an interesting question: What was the party for? Was it a celebration? A birthday party, bachelor party, victory party, going away party, end-of-midterms party?

They did not invite any women to their party, besides the two strippers.

Perhaps they were intending to secretly videotape the strippers (doing whatever they imagined the strippers would do) just for "fun"...?

Seriously, what was the party for???

[Edited on April 20, 2006 at 11:11 PM. Reason : sss]

4/20/2006 11:10:54 PM

why does it matter what the party was for

4/20/2006 11:11:38 PM

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"Seriously, what was the party for??? "

It's a bunch of rich guys who all play on the same team, do they really need a reason to get together and get drunk?

4/20/2006 11:17:00 PM

^Get drunk, invite strippers, and not invite anybody else???

Supplanter, you bring up an good point. I hope they tested her for drugs and whatnot because going from sober to wasted in less than a couple hours is pretty suspicious. On her part and the accused.

[Edited on April 20, 2006 at 11:17 PM. Reason : sss]

4/20/2006 11:17:06 PM

Let the blacks and preps fight that shit out. An all out race war would do that city good.

4/20/2006 11:18:47 PM

I've resisted posting on this, but so much of it just doesn't add up on both sides.

Why was the party over so suddenly? The parties I've been to normally end with a gradual trickle out of people unless the host gets pissed and throws everyone out.

Why does the guy have a cab receipt? Seriously, I have taken MANY cabs, and I've NEVER had the cabbie give me a receipt unless I ASKED for one. They don't just hand them to you as a matter of course. I also think it's funny that some of you are questioning the opinion of the doctor and nurse who examined the woman, but no one yet has questioned whether the cab driver is a reliable witness.

Why did the other stripper call 911? Why didn't the 911 operator ask for her name? I've only called 911 twice, both times for medical emergies of strangers, and both times they asked me first my location, second the condition of the person and what was needed, and then my name.

It add just doesn't add up either way you look at it. I don't believe half of what is being reported in the media anyway.

4/20/2006 11:45:42 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/LegalCenter/story?id=1858806&page=1

from the article . . .

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"By 12:24 a.m., a receipt reviewed by ABC indicates that Seligmann's ATM card was used at a nearby Wachovia bank. In a written statement to the defense also reviewed by ABC, a cabdriver confirms picking up Seligmann and a friend a block and a half from the party, and driving them to the bank. By 12:25 a.m., he was making a phone call to a girlfriend out of state. What did Seligmann do after leaving the bank? The taxi driver remembers taking him to a drive-thru fast-food restaurant and then dropping him off at his dorm. Duke University records show that Seligmann's card was used to gain entry at 12:46 a.m."

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"ABC News traced the steps of Seligmann's story, timing how long it took to get from place to place. In repeated trials, the drive between the Wachovia branch and the corner where the cab picked him up took approximately five minutes. This suggests that Seligmann must have left the house by around 12:19 a.m."

They have a receipt from the ATM, not from the taxi. Even if you don't believe the taxi driver, the ATM receipt, phone call, and dorm entry records are pretty solid. The kid would've had to get to the ATM and home somehow, probably by taking a taxi because he's rich and doesn't have to walk.

4/20/2006 11:54:00 PM

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"Now here's an interesting question: What was the party for? Was it a celebration? A birthday party, bachelor party, victory party, going away party, end-of-midterms party? They did not invite any women to their party, besides the two strippers. Perhaps they were intending to secretly videotape the strippers (doing whatever they imagined the strippers would do) just for "fun"...? Seriously, what was the party for???"

Apparently you don't thoroughly understand guys. A bunch of guys getting drunkand hiring a stripper is pretty much the way those things go down... just check out fraternity rush.

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"Get drunk, invite strippers, and not invite anybody else???"

Strippers are never an open party. This setup is exactly the way any stripper night would have gone.

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"Why was the party over so suddenly? The parties I've been to normally end with a gradual trickle out of people unless the host gets pissed and throws everyone out."

The stripper said she was gonna call the cops on them over their dispute... you have a bunch of scholarship athletes at a private Mathodist school who are drinking underage, easily enough to get their scholarships yanked or at least serious trouble... you better believe they are gonna get out of there quick. Ever tried to clear out a keg party? All you have to do is shout "Someone is calling hte cops" and people leave in droves.

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"Why does the guy have a cab receipt? Seriously, I have taken MANY cabs, and I've NEVER had the cabbie give me a receipt unless I ASKED for one. They don't just hand them to you as a matter of course. I also think it's funny that some of you are questioning the opinion of the doctor and nurse who examined the woman, but no one yet has questioned whether the cab driver is a reliable witness."

They have an electronic log of the phone calls with the cell phone compaany and with the cab dispatcher. The driver has the ride logged in his book. There is also the ATM video to back this up. Oh and plenty have tried to discredit the cab driver if you watch any national coverage. Oh and as for the doctor/nurse, from what I remember reading the nurse said she thought the sexual trauma was likely to have occured several hours earlier than the rape was alleged to have occured (but I could just be remembering something else)

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"Why did the other stripper call 911? Why didn't the 911 operator ask for her name? I've only called 911 twice, both times for medical emergies of strangers, and both times they asked me first my location, second the condition of the person and what was needed, and then my name."

The other stripper called 911 because the other one was already drunk and would not have been taken seriously by the operator about being harrased or the N-word. I think a better question is why the stripper lied multiple times describing what happened, who she was, and how she knew the alleged victim. If you are talking about the 911 call later, it wasn't the stripper who called (it was Kroger).

4/21/2006 12:01:35 AM

zamboni = pwnt

4/21/2006 12:17:08 AM

Quote :

"Seriously, what was the party for???"

You need a reason for parties? I'm glad I didn't go to NCSU undergrad.

4/21/2006 12:18:24 AM

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"^Get drunk, invite strippers, and not invite anybody else??? "

You missed the first part of the statement:

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"It's a bunch of rich guys who all play on the same team,"

What makes it so hard to believe that a bunch of jocks are going to hire some strippers for a random party.

As for not inviting anyone else, that might be because they hired the stripper, or maybe it was just because they're all on the same team and all buddies and really didn't care to have anyone else at the party. Believe it or not, not all college parties are open door.

4/21/2006 12:25:45 AM

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"I think a better question is why the stripper lied multiple times describing what happened, who she was, and how she knew the alleged victim."

She claims she lied because she was trying to hide her identity and profession.

4/21/2006 12:51:10 AM

thats the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Who premeditates a lie in a 911 call to hide their identity and profession? And why?

4/21/2006 1:01:22 AM

Not to mention the fabrication of the initial 911 call where they walked/drove by and were yelled at.

4/21/2006 1:05:28 AM

^^She says she didn't want her friends and family knowing that she takes her clothes off for loot. Maybe she thought something would come of the 911 call and didn't want her name/profession involved.

I dunno, dude. We're never gonna know what really happened that night.

[Edited on April 21, 2006 at 12:43 PM. Reason : sss]

4/21/2006 12:42:27 PM

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"On Friday, police released the search warrant, showing what they took from Reade Seligmann's room. According to the search warrant, authorities took several items, including an iPod, various computer-related items. They also took two pictures, including one of Seligmann and a blonde-haired girl, and a CD with the title, "Loser.""

WTF Random items much.

4/21/2006 12:43:35 PM

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"I dunno, dude. We're never gonna know what really happened that night."

Maybe not, but I sure as hell know what didn't happen that night.

4/21/2006 1:07:48 PM