Apparently it is cheaper to send whole chickens to China for processing rather than to process them here. So, I doubt there is any real savings by "buying local"

3/2/2018 10:42:07 AM

I'm talking about environmental savings but the shipping isn't cheap anyway, its just subsidized and being paid for in a different way. Take this article for example
http://fortune.com/2015/03/11/united-nations-subsidy-chinese-shipping/


[Edited on March 2, 2018 at 10:49 AM. Reason : cost you pay for shipping =/= cost of shipping]

3/2/2018 10:46:19 AM

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/white-house/trump-was-angry-unglued-when-he-started-trade-war-officials-n852641

dude’s unhinged

3/2/2018 2:28:38 PM

I cannot believe that this is something that can be imposed by an executive order. But I guess since tariffs used to be the in-thing in the early days of our government, it wasn't seen as a big deal. Back then you probably couldn't even explain globalism.

No intelligent person would enact such a plan without thorough review of the economic consequences.

When I heard this news yesterday (or was it Wednesday?) someone probably needed to prop my chin back up.

I understand that there are still tariffs around on some goods, but still, this seems like such an archaic move.



[Edited on March 2, 2018 at 2:51 PM. Reason : bla]

3/2/2018 2:50:11 PM

Under national security pretenses it certainly can be done. Lawmakers can’t undo this if he goes through. I still think it becomes more targeted. Not even Trump is this stupid..

[Edited on March 2, 2018 at 3:06 PM. Reason : I’m generally against protectionism but targeted tariffs could help isolated industries]

3/2/2018 3:05:32 PM

This is such a terrible idea. Besides pissing off trading partners, you're penalizing the massive American automotive and aerospace industries to benefit the comparatively tiny American steel industry.

I foresee many more cars being made in Canada and Mexico.

3/3/2018 2:05:23 AM

its funny seeing liberals criticizing trump from the right. you guys truly are a match made in heaven

[Edited on March 3, 2018 at 10:29 AM. Reason : im getting dizzy]

3/3/2018 10:28:19 AM

If you weren’t trolling I’d explain that their can be nuance to being pro-labor and not supporting all random protectionism. But you keep being you.

[Edited on March 3, 2018 at 1:01 PM. Reason : And not wanting trade war because the president’s feelings got hurt isn’t from the right ffs]

3/3/2018 12:58:41 PM

always the same old excuse for not explaining your positions. you have valid points to make but your insecurity with respect to defending or explaining them suggests to me that you either a: dont believe in them or b: know they will reveal hypocrisies in your system of values

3/3/2018 3:57:44 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/opinion/is-trumps-tariff-plan-constitutional.html

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44707.pdf

Unrelated: https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/03/politics/trump-golf-100-days/index.html

[Edited on March 3, 2018 at 7:14 PM. Reason : a]

3/3/2018 7:09:27 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/03/politics/trump-maralago-remarks/index.html

Quote :

"In the closed-door remarks, a recording of which was obtained by CNN, Trump also praised China's President Xi Jinping for recently consolidating power and extending his potential tenure, musing he wouldn't mind making such a maneuver himself. "He's now president for life. President for life. No, he's great," Trump said. "And look, he was able to do that. I think it's great. Maybe we'll have to give that a shot some day.""

It's time to remove this guy from office.

3/3/2018 8:34:31 PM

^LMAO everyday people tell me what trump said and I have to ask "are you sure he said that, or was it a joke or parody tweet" and its always something he actually said.

[Edited on March 3, 2018 at 9:14 PM. Reason : ftr i think he knows what hes doing and he wants this kind of thing to happen everyday]

3/3/2018 9:14:03 PM

This steel tariff thing keeps getting dumber and dumber The more I think about it.

doesnt this encourage more outsourcing?

3/4/2018 12:25:21 AM

How does it do that?

3/4/2018 8:05:28 AM

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/economics/08/tariff-trade-barrier-basics.asp

3/4/2018 8:48:09 AM

Free trade prevents violence due to the increasing dependency on economies of other countries. Trade wars create unnecessary animosity and market volatility. It's bad for business.

But let's be clear. Every controversy from Trump is to distract from Russia and incompetence

3/4/2018 12:44:38 PM

Free trade IS violence. It allows for the exploitation of unfair labor, workplace safety, and environmental practices in developing countries while encouraging overconsumption and waste in the developed world. Until we stop externalizing these costs, people will continue to claim/believe that it is economically beneficial, but its not because the costs that have been externalized are far greater.

3/4/2018 1:10:49 PM

^I think there's some truth to this but primarily because not ALL countries participate in free trade. If all countries did, at some point over time (I have no clue how long) wages/costs/etc. would stabilize and equalize (to a large extent) across the board. So, eliminating free trade actually perpetuates the inequality.

Incentive systems and tax breaks and shit factor into this significantly too which is why a dramatic simplification of the tax code in general needs to happen as well. You can see this at play domestically.

So, as is argued by a lot of people who study geopolitics, we need to walk the walk here before we try and spread it globally otherwise it just continues to perpetuate our hypocrisy.

[Edited on March 4, 2018 at 1:54 PM. Reason : a]

3/4/2018 1:48:06 PM

Quote :

"If all countries did, at some point over time (I have no clue how long) wages/costs/etc. would stabilize and equalize (to a large extent) across the board"

that would require the free movement of labor

3/4/2018 1:55:47 PM

^

3/4/2018 2:04:42 PM

Which would need to be a stipulation of free trade agreements (or world government haha).

[Edited on March 4, 2018 at 2:44 PM. Reason : a]

3/4/2018 2:44:31 PM

http://theweek.com/speedreads/759197/phone-call-trump-said-north-korean-regime-actually-south-koreas-president

A few years ago this is the kind of dumb statement that would dominate the news for a week.

3/6/2018 1:31:31 PM

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/donald-trump-sued-by-stormy-daniels-unsigned-hush-agreement-1092589

Not that anybody cares. Has a president ever been divorced while in office?

[Edited on March 6, 2018 at 9:53 PM. Reason : K]

3/6/2018 9:46:14 PM

Quote :

"China has been asked to develop a plan for the year of a One Billion Dollar reduction in their massive Trade Deficit with the United States. Our relationship with China has been a very good one, and we look forward to seeing what ideas they come back with. We must act soon!"

Wat? That’s like a Big Mac being reduced in price from $3.75 to $3.74. It’s just embarrassing at this point.

3/7/2018 10:39:32 AM

^^i assume that stormy daniel's lawyer knows that contract is still valid even if it wasn't signed, so i assume this is just to get more money?

3/7/2018 10:47:06 AM

Damn I didn't know that's how it worked. Why is it valid if only one party signed?

Or did Cohen sign it? If so then no clue what she's thinking.

3/7/2018 11:40:40 AM

if they paid that is acceptance, it has all the parts of a contact

edit: lol, actually it wouldn't have capacity if he wasn't working for trump. so for trump to fight her lawsuit or go after her for breaking the NDA he would have to verify the contract which would probably open him up to campaign finance issues so he can't do it



[Edited on March 7, 2018 at 11:47 AM. Reason : well played]

3/7/2018 11:44:31 AM

^^ that's not how it works, that argument from stormy is nonsensical, is what i'm seeing on lawyer twitter.

BUt because this was a filing in court, the NDA document is now out in public, and supposedly there's some legal loophole that it doesn't break the NDA disclosure if it's incidental to a court filing.

So in a way, Stormy has already "won" this round, the NDA is public, timelines are established, pseudonyms have been revealed for Donald Trump, there's already plenty for the media to dig in to.

If team Trump try to fight this lawsuit in anyway at this point, it validates that Trump secretly tried to pay Stormy off and slow rolled the payment until just before the election, and the way they missed timelines on payment until the last minute seems to indicate Trump would surely have had direct knowledge of the payment.

It's complete how much lying and corruption Trump managed to get involved with during the election, it's a complete breakdown of our media that reporting on Trump's malfeasance throughout his business career didn't gain more traction, instead with outlets hyperfocusing on Hillary and emails.

[Edited on March 7, 2018 at 11:47 AM. Reason : ]

3/7/2018 11:47:19 AM

there is an offer (the contract), consideration (each party is offering something), and acceptance (they paid). that's contract 101, what twitter lawyer is saying otherwise?

[Edited on March 7, 2018 at 11:49 AM. Reason : nevermind, see your ^^ now]

3/7/2018 11:48:44 AM

^define the “parties” legally and you’ll find the problem

3/7/2018 12:02:11 PM

that's what the capacity part of my post above is about

3/7/2018 12:22:57 PM

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/07/politics/us-north-korea-outside-expert/index.html

Quote :

"With State Dept. depleted, Trump admin considers outside help on North Korea"

3/7/2018 3:56:12 PM

reminder in case you missed it - dick pics exist

3/8/2018 3:25:12 PM

Quote :

"“Your father is looking down on you, he’s very proud,” Trump tells steel worker at his press conference. “He’s still alive,” the guy responds."

3/8/2018 4:09:01 PM

So Trump is going to meet with Kim Jong-Un. Good. It’s stupid not to if he is willing.

But wasn’t Obama SLAUGHTERED by the right for saying he’d meet with Iran’s leader at time?

3/8/2018 6:30:37 PM

yep.

I wonder how much pressure Russia applied on un to give Trump a win for support

[Edited on March 8, 2018 at 6:49 PM. Reason : a]

3/8/2018 6:48:25 PM

+Aggreing to meet with DPRK

[Edited on March 8, 2018 at 7:22 PM. Reason : ^^they all argued that meeting with un legitimizes him as the leader.]

3/8/2018 7:21:19 PM

The US talking to Kim Jong un isn’t a bad idea

Trump talking to Kim Jung un is going to be a disaster

Does anyone have any confidence he’s going to be able to articulate anything relevant?

3/8/2018 10:00:16 PM

he might just to prove he can succeed at something.

3/8/2018 10:03:39 PM

he might just ask un for tips on how to run a dictatorship

3/9/2018 1:10:31 AM

I genuinely hope this advances things in a positive manner. For now, I am cautiously optimistic.

3/9/2018 9:37:30 AM

Even after reading articles from both sides and experts this morning I still like it. I don’t trust Trump to be prepared but nothing else we’ve tried has worked.

I do think KJU is willing to meet now because he is confident enough in his nuclear program to “freeze it.” That said, no way they are giving up their bombs or denuclearizing.

3/9/2018 10:25:31 AM

why would anyone put weight into what trump says in negotiations though? i mean surely they have people who watch american media, there is no way they can't know that what he says during talks is meaningless.

3/9/2018 10:49:43 AM

North Korea will brag about how they've come to the table and how they're trying to be a good country. Trump will get a diplomatic win which he'll use to endlessly brag about being better than Obama, Clinton, and every other leader anywhere, ever, of all time. The best.

And that's all that will happen because neither Trump nor his State Department will follow up and do the actual work of negotiating.

3/9/2018 11:38:01 AM

maybe now would be a good time to get an ambassador for south korea, or promote the interim ambassador into the role

3/9/2018 11:41:33 AM

I am remaining cautiously optimistic to be fair to the people on here that I've criticized regarding suggestions for an approach to NK. While I don't think I'm wrong it's entirely possible I am and that somehow this yields movement.

I will withhold my commentary until afterwards.

3/9/2018 11:43:58 AM

Quote :

"I do think KJU is willing to meet now because he is confident enough in his nuclear program to “freeze it.” That said, no way they are giving up their bombs or denuclearizing. "

North Korea has always tried to meet directly with American administrations. Historically these meetings have been rejected because the imagery of dear leader meeting with a President gets used by North Korea to prove they’re becoming a global power.

Trump meeting with North Korea is going to be about effective as Dennis Rodman meeting with North Korea.

3/9/2018 12:45:06 PM

Is Sarah Sanders really saying that NK is denuclearizing as a pre-condition for this meeting?? Huh? Shes either willfully lying or stupid.

3/9/2018 2:25:11 PM

It’s such a delicate situation, plz to not fuck this up.



**sigh**

3/9/2018 2:28:17 PM

Eliminate weapons or cease further testing?

3/9/2018 2:32:37 PM