who was on the olympic team outside of altidore and bradley

shut the fuck up

6/26/2010 5:21:38 PM

the strange idea is that B4C is capable of coming up with something that makes sense to normal folks, not the other way around

6/26/2010 5:21:58 PM

Played with a lot of heart. Needed to play with a lot of heart and a consistent back line. At least we didn't have a goal waived off.

Sad, but I still think it was a great historic run and there's plenty of interesting matches ahead. Awesome run USA!

[Edited on June 26, 2010 at 5:27 PM. Reason : great wasn't good enough]

6/26/2010 5:26:36 PM

Six players from the 2008 Olympic squad were on the 2010 World Cup squad

Michael Bradley, Maurice Edu, Brad Guzan, Jozy Altidore, Suart Holden, and Benny Feilhaber


Eight players from the 2006 World Cup squad were on the 2010 World Cup squad.

Tim Howard, Carlos Bocanegra, Steve Cherundolo, Clint Dempsey, DaMarcus Beasley, Marcus Hahanemann, Landon Donovan, and Oguchi Onyewu


In the end they choked against Africa again.

6/26/2010 5:26:50 PM

Man,

Guzan, Holden, Onyewu, Beasley, Hahanemann sure choked.

Blame this loss one who it belongs to: Ricardo Clark and by extension Bob Bradley.

[Edited on June 26, 2010 at 5:29 PM. Reason : roll]

6/26/2010 5:28:50 PM

i don't think you realize that only 4-5 of the players from each of those squads played significant roles in this tournament

[Edited on June 26, 2010 at 5:31 PM. Reason : and losing in the second round is hardly choking for the u.s.]

6/26/2010 5:29:51 PM

sad

i bitched about ricardo clark getting the start at ruckus when i saw him walk out of the tunnel...i dont think it was that hard of a choice not to select him...i dont even feel like bitching about it that much. we never shouldve lost to this team

6/26/2010 5:31:56 PM

it's just a shame that our response to giving up early goals and chances was just "we need to focus." How about starting the players that spark turnarounds in every single game? No reason for Findley/Clark to start in this game and that's not even something you can only say looking back at the result of this game. EVERYBODY who knew shit knew that Clark was a fucking liability, especially after the England game


on the bright side, we've got the core back for 2014 + Davies (who should be a star, wherever he's playing in 4 years)

6/26/2010 5:34:52 PM

and now, an interview with tim howard's redneck wife

6/26/2010 5:35:58 PM

fucking ricardo clark.

6/26/2010 5:37:44 PM

Shit happens. Been nice if they went on 1 more round, but I was at least entertained.

6/26/2010 5:50:53 PM

I, for one, am proud of this team.

Tough loss, and our early defensive struggles finally caught up to us. It's a shame, but I'm seriously proud of this team.

Landon, I'm sorry that I ever doubted you. Even though you played like crap in '06, you were absolutely baller for the past year and a half for the USA.

The future is bright for US soccer, I'm sure of it.





Also, I've been drunk since 9:00 a.m.

6/26/2010 6:00:09 PM

Quote :

"loss to Ghana, a country with a lower GDP than any state in the US, including Washington DC...except Wyoming"

Wyoming pwnt

stay home

6/26/2010 6:13:57 PM

Quote :

"fucking ricardo clark"

6/26/2010 6:25:06 PM

when BB is yell-talking he sounds a lot like il bruce

6/26/2010 6:26:39 PM

ghana sucks but because of their speed they were able to run circles around our 3rd class athletes. Its so frustrating not to have any elite american athletes choose soccer. We have three players capable of playing well at this level. None are elite. Sometimes I wish there was no nfl just to prove to the rest of the world how athletic americans really are.

6/26/2010 6:42:48 PM

Ghana doesn't suck. They played extremely well. The US didn't show up until halftime.

6/26/2010 7:02:50 PM

^ and then only for about 10 minutes before resuming the horrible passing, terrible control and minimal aggressiveness resulting in very few chances

6/26/2010 7:04:42 PM

They hadn't even scored a goal before today. They have no feet or ball skills. They just have speed and defense and not even a good goalie. If we had decent speed, we win. Uruguay will beat them.

[Edited on June 26, 2010 at 7:08 PM. Reason : WE HAVE NO FORWARDS]

6/26/2010 7:07:45 PM

Ghana scored one goal against Serbia, and they also scored one goal against Australia.

They also scored 20 goals in qualifying for the World Cup.

[Edited on June 26, 2010 at 7:13 PM. Reason : ]

6/26/2010 7:10:45 PM

both were pks

[Edited on June 26, 2010 at 7:16 PM. Reason : 20 goals, none of which were against teams that made it to the second round]

6/26/2010 7:13:06 PM

Those weren't open play goals. The only reason they scored open play goals against us is because our guys are slow as fuck and got outran on "deep balls". They still haven't scored a conventional goal. Today was the equivalent to go routes in football getting tds against slow dbs.

6/26/2010 7:14:10 PM

What the hell do you mean by "conventional goal"? They beat their defensemen and used power and skill to put it past the keeper into the net. Both of their goals were sensational. It's frustrating being on the other end of it, but you have to give the Ghanaian strikers credit where credit is due.

6/26/2010 8:21:47 PM

Don't mind them. They're just trolling.

6/26/2010 8:29:02 PM

[Edited on June 26, 2010 at 8:38 PM. Reason : durp]

6/26/2010 8:37:31 PM

i think one of the keys to ghana's victory today was their exceptional defense on our crosses. i can't remember us winning more than a handful of balls in the box on crosses all day and we had plenty of balls sent in. we aren't the biggest up front, but ghana made us look tiny.

6/26/2010 8:44:50 PM

Ghana is also fast as shit. Must be from chasing down gazelles. I wish I had that video. Shits unreal


I'm astraladvent and I approved this message.

6/26/2010 9:04:36 PM

i wish we wouldnt play so many long balls...i know our midfield is good enough to pass it around. i just dont understand why we like to play it deep so much

6/26/2010 9:05:17 PM

Why is this country so terrible at developing strikers? Coming from a culture that's so offensively minded, you'd think we'd be able to develop guys that have a nose for the goal. Instead, our best strikers play in the midfield and our forwards continue to languish.

In some circles, a good defense is a good offense. If teams were more worried about our offensive game, we'd hopefully force teams to be a little more defensive and help the back line a little more.

6/26/2010 9:10:53 PM

It's too damn bad we didn't have any subs to use in extra time for some energy because our incompetent coach used two subs early to make what should have been the OBVIOUS lineup from the beginning. Actually, that's not even true. The obvious lineup would have had gooch in it. He couldn't have done worse than bornstein and he probably could have challenged for some of those crosses.

I still don't know why it took the guy three games to even get Edu in. And then when Edu plays solid, he still sits his ass on the bench.

We need a real fucking coach. We are still a fairly young team and we could show alot better without Bob Bradley.

[Edited on June 26, 2010 at 9:39 PM. Reason : d]

6/26/2010 9:36:41 PM

we might as well have played all corner kicks short, i dont remember winning anything accurate by the goal at all

6/26/2010 9:43:51 PM

Quote :

"Why is this country so terrible at developing strikers?"

three words.

IN

EF

EL

^get out of here with that "young team" bs. We have no young stars. Our only 3 decent players will be "old as hell" in 4 years from now. Sure the guys have "experience" but we need star power if we ever want to "contend"

Quote :

"i think one of the keys to ghana's victory today was their exceptional defense on our crosses. i can't remember us winning more than a handful of balls in the box on crosses all day and we had plenty of balls sent in. we aren't the biggest up front, but ghana made us look tiny."

ATHLETICISM. they were clearly better faster stronger athletes but less skilled. again. nfl.

Quote :

" They beat their defensemen and used power and skill to put it past the keeper into the net. Both of their goals were sensational."

Once you're past the defense its easy to score. They used speed to get by the defense with the ball in the air on both goals. There were no "foot moves" or long shots. They were the equivalent of fastbreak transition layups in basketball or go route burns in football.

Conventional goals are ones you see when the real teams play. Where the defense is back and someone kicks it in, one times it or heads it in. Not this run past everyone to the goal business. We suck at conventional goals because we have no forwards.

6/26/2010 9:45:08 PM

Quote :

"The obvious lineup would have had gooch in it. He couldn't have done worse than bornstein and he probably could have challenged for some of those crosses."

gooch couldn't keep up with ghana's speed. yes, we could have used his size, but his lack of speed would have been a serious liability. ricardo clark and findley were mistakes.

6/26/2010 9:46:02 PM

Quote :

"i don't think you realize that only 4-5 of the players from each of those squads played significant roles in this tournament"

Yeh I know, but it is some sort of curse or something. We also blew it against Morocco during the 2006 send off series in our own nation. Maybe the African gods are still pissed that we locked their people up and shipped them to the South to be used as slaves.

6/26/2010 10:04:41 PM

^^ eh, I hear that, but he did fine against england's strikers and I'd still contend that he couldn't do worse than bornstein. You can make up for lack of speed by not being out of position constantly, again like bornstein was.

And with the way we got beat in the air on every single set piece, his contributions there would have been no small thing.

I don't even hold anything against clark. The guy was just clearly out of his league and it's a damn shame that bradley decided to shit on Edu the way he did this tournament.

Michael Bradley, on the other hand, was our star IMO and I'm excited to see him lead the team in 2014. Hopefully his dad won't be around.

[Edited on June 26, 2010 at 11:09 PM. Reason : d]

6/26/2010 11:08:55 PM

Gooch had a lot to do with Gerrard's goal, he got sucked out of position and Heskey's pass went right through where he should have been

6/26/2010 11:15:05 PM

bornstein didnt have a bad game today. demerit was expendable to gooch, is about all i saw from today. otherwise, our defenders didnt play too terribly

6/26/2010 11:21:16 PM

We'll have to agree to disagree. In the England game, I saw clark get beat hard on the first ball to heskey, gooch slid over to cover and gerrard snuck in behind him.

Heskey and Rooney are both pretty speedy and he was a big part of basically shutting them down the rest of the game. What he lacks in speed, I think he makes up for in physicality and knowing where to be--two things bornstein lacks big time. And that doesn't even count him on the offensive end for set pieces.

^Overall, I'd agree. Clearly, the two big problems were Clark and Findley. I just thought I would throw in Gooch since I was on a roll listing Bradley's fuckups.



[Edited on June 26, 2010 at 11:27 PM. Reason : V if I were mod, all the faggot soccer trolls would get suspenders until the WC was over]

6/26/2010 11:24:05 PM

Thank god they lost. Now the pretend interest in soccer can end.

6/26/2010 11:24:44 PM

^ you're a ridiculous troll, go back to your NFL

6/26/2010 11:30:36 PM

heskey speedy? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

JOCRISTIAN SOCCER KNOWLEDGE CREDIBILITY WATCH???

[Edited on June 26, 2010 at 11:32 PM. Reason : lol]

6/26/2010 11:31:32 PM

lol Heskey

BB did a pretty good job, I thought. Certainly his starting 11 today was bad bad bad, but most games the subs were great, the starters were great, and the tactics were good enough.

But whatev, give me Jürgen

6/26/2010 11:37:01 PM

I thought Bornstein had a pretty decent two games actually but whatever. I love the guy, but Howard deserves more criticism for the goals today than he's getting - if he's really a world class keeper (which I think he is) he should make those saves today.


Bob did better than I thought he'd do:

Positives: Gambled with Torres, dropped Gooch when it was obvious he couldn't hang, made aggressive changes at halftime when he needed to (forced into these because of going down 2-0 against Slovenia and needing a goal against Algeria, but still)

Negatives: Clark (and with that, didn't start our best pairing in Edu/Bradley). Stuck with the Findley experiment too long. Holden didn't play a minute.

But 4 years for an international coach is enough, regardless of results. It's time for a change and I'd be all for Klinsmann or anybody that isn't already part of the MLS/college setup - I'd love for an outsider's perspective to mold our young group of players.

basically this:

Quote :

"Bob Bradley has shown that he’s very good at identifying problems on the pitch and finding a solution with a change in tactics and/or personnel midway through games, but he doesn’t seem to learn lessons from game to game. The starting XI tonight was wrong, evidenced by the fact that he was forced to make two changes before 46 of the 120 minutes had been played. Had he fielded Edu and Feilhaber from the off, and been able to make changes to freshen up the side in the second half, who knows what might have been?"

http://www.zonalmarking.net/2010/06/26/ghana-2-1-united-states-tactics/

[Edited on June 27, 2010 at 1:44 AM. Reason : ZM]

6/27/2010 1:24:44 AM

6/27/2010 6:59:03 AM

honestly wish that feilhaber got to play entire games

as well as edu

i know clark is going to get two goals pinned on him, i'm guilty of blaming him, but he can't ever see teh field again for us....i've never liked him

the whole time i was thinking how we needed tim to make a big save for us sometime in the WC...he made some in the england game, but really needed him to stop one of the goals yesterday

6/27/2010 8:40:52 AM

Was a terrible giveaway from Clark but like aimorris said Howard should have done better. It looked like he just lost track of where he was in the goal. He should not have been beaten near post.

[Edited on June 27, 2010 at 9:34 AM. Reason : a]

6/27/2010 9:34:08 AM

agreed. As much as I love Howard in goal, that was definitely a savable ball if he was in better position.

6/27/2010 9:47:14 AM

there has been some insinuation that howard had a chance at both goals

no way on the second one...he was on angle, down and ready to explode, and just couldn't react fast enough

the weird thing about the first one wasn't so much the positioning as the decision-making that led to the positioning. howard was definitely cheating on the far post thing, which would make sense in a one-on-one situation; a short side goal is never acceptable, so it makes sense to cheat for the far post. the problem is that in this situation, demerit was shading boateng on the far side, which should allow howard to cheat to the near post

peculiar to say the least

6/27/2010 9:57:43 AM

that. was. nasty.

[Edited on June 27, 2010 at 10:28 AM. Reason : 3 lions are owning the ball but can't do anything in the final 3rd]

[Edited on June 27, 2010 at 10:31 AM. Reason : should have been a 2nd for Germany there]

[Edited on June 27, 2010 at 10:32 AM. Reason : England getting dismantled.. Podolski megged the keeper]

6/27/2010 10:20:53 AM

england is just being demolished at the moment

[Edited on June 27, 2010 at 10:34 AM. Reason : .]

6/27/2010 10:34:07 AM