^WTF IS THAT SHIT DOING IN THIS THREAD?

This is an exotic thread.

A riviera is not an Exotic
A concept car might be an "exotic," but not if it's a concept vehicle for a entry level "luxury" sedan.

GTFO WITH THAT SHIT!



(i'm just yelling because i'm amplified)

Oh yeah. btw, PAGE 10

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1/9/2009 11:09:53 AM

Dammit all... Red Ferrari Testarossa cruisin down I-40 East headed from Raleigh to Cary getting off on the Wade Ave Exit. Had both the camera and the camera phone with me, but when driving a 27,000 lb vehicle it's not the smartest thing to try to do. Had newer tags on it (red letters) with a younger looking female driving it... nice.

1/9/2009 3:06:11 PM

a very new light orange Carrera GT in one of my parents neighbors garages (then again he has a offsite garage and a tractor trailer come and swap cars for him when he wants)

ill get a pic later


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1/9/2009 11:14:23 PM

saw a silver nsx yesterday on gorman

1/10/2009 12:27:12 AM

H8R spotting perhaps??

1/10/2009 1:52:36 AM

o dip

1/10/2009 11:18:36 PM

There was a red Maserati Quattroporte in front of Solas on Glenwood the other day

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1/11/2009 2:42:55 AM

^ it was there last night too.

1/11/2009 9:16:29 AM

The world's only "AMG" SL550 "Dub Edition"on factory 18's. I guess Pep Boys sells AMG emblems alongside the GT-R ones.

1/14/2009 6:45:16 AM

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"The world's only "AMG" SL550 "Dub Edition"on factory 18's. I guess Pep Boys sells AMG emblems alongside the GT-R ones."

I see S500 AMGs, S350 AMGs all the time.

MB itself sells the AMG bodykit and wheels that you can have put on any of their cars. Heck, you could even get a C200 'AMG' if you wish! Just like the Audi S-Line. Cosmetics only.

1/14/2009 10:23:53 AM

BMW just announced that they are providing the M package for all 3 and 5 series. So you can make your 328i look like an M3.

1/14/2009 10:45:44 AM

and you can get STI badges for a subie legacy!

1/14/2009 10:47:34 AM

saw a red Ferrari 308 GTS between capital and six forks on the outer a few days ago.

sexy car, that one.

but to top that, at the corner of duraleigh and glenwood, there was a guy in an '80s corolla/civic/accord/whatever. this may not seem exotic, but he had made his own body kit. there was sheet aluminum screwed all the way around the car. just a shiny, one foot wide strip of metal all the way around, with screws about every 8 inches. not sure if it was functional. i was so glad i got to see that.

2/4/2009 11:51:29 AM

FINALLY saw a new GT-R out on public roads today. Nice red one on I-40 W during my morning commute. I forgot how big those exhaust pipes were, holy crap.

Also, yellow 996 911 TT yesterday driving home on I-40 E.

2/13/2009 12:30:24 PM

FINALLY saw a new GT-R out on public roads today. Nice red one on I-40 W during my morning commute. I forgot how big those exhaust pipes were, holy crap.

Also, yellow 996 911 TT yesterday driving home on I-40 E.

2/13/2009 12:30:24 PM

I think my next car will be a GT-R. After watching it on TopGear for 2 episodes back to back I'm sold on it. I think its the only logical 'upgrade' from an Evo in terms of all around performance. And it has the fancy gadgets that I'm a sucker for like the in-dash nav unit that displays all kinds of data. (hopefully the US version has that or I'll be pissed)

2/13/2009 1:58:24 PM

Going to the Chicago Auto Show next weekend. I should be able to get some good pics.

2/13/2009 2:15:51 PM

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"I'm a sucker for like the in-dash nav unit that displays all kinds of data. (hopefully the US version has that or I'll be pissed)"

of course they are going to have it.

2/13/2009 2:26:31 PM

^I hope you're right. Its quite the norm to leave off all the goodies when importing cars into the US. The Evo for example...no in-dash nav unit, no auto climate control, no AYC.

2/13/2009 2:36:26 PM

^ what about those engine bearing issues I've heard about that require/suggest the engine to be rebuilt after like 60k miles?

2/13/2009 8:39:03 PM

^^You might want to do some more real-world research.

The performance of the car is pretty average, unless you void the warranty.

From all the reports I've read about from the GT-R forums, and lotustalk members who own them, you are looking at 5-7k a year for scheduled maintenance, and yes a full engine rebuild every 60k or so.

The transmissions are apparently pretty weak as well, but as long as you keep all the warranty in place, you won't have to cough up the 30k to replace it, at least for the first few years.

2/13/2009 10:30:07 PM

you heard it here first, folks - the performance of the GT-R is "pretty average"

2/15/2009 2:15:41 AM

^without LC, it's a 4 second car. Without turning the VDC off first (which is required to turn on Launch Control), it's a 4.5 second car.

Without VDC turned off, it's also a bear on the track (from all I've read). Bad understeer, heavy, very average.

Turning VDC off makes the car into a fucking beast... but it also completely voids your warranty. And seeing how fragile the diff and tranny is, I wouldn't even think about it.

Also, you are going to pay out the nose for a second set of wheels for the track, because if they don't have the Nissan GT-R proprietary valve stems (an additional 5-600 bucks), you again void your warranty. Tires are going to run you 1000+ dollars per set.

There's also the mandatory post-track safety inspection to keep that warranty intact. 500-1000 bucks a pop.

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Basically, if you want an intact warranty (and you do), there are a SLEW of other cars that will be faster both on the street and on the track, and cost FAR less to maintain for track days.

2/15/2009 3:32:35 AM

^

Funny to hear performance per dollar lectures from a lotus owner. It must be REALLY bad.

Just saying!

2/15/2009 6:05:16 AM

Its okay he owns an EVO, he should have ample experience with anal manufacturers and voiding of warranties.

2/15/2009 11:44:06 AM

they should have doubled the price of the GT-R, just so people who are budget-minded wont even think about buying it.

any idea how much it costs to maintain a Bugatti Veyron? Me either - because its out of my price range

2/15/2009 1:33:28 PM

Quote :

"^ Funny to hear performance per dollar lectures from a lotus owner. It must be REALLY bad. Just saying!"

It aint the performance per dollar, it's the void-the-warranty for performance. Lotus is fucking amazing about factory backing track days. They'll sell you the equipment, tech inspect it, and fix it when you get back.

But yeah, I didn't buy it for the best bang fer the buck I just wanted something gorgeous in my life to offset my ugly mug

2/15/2009 4:40:26 PM

^

hahahahahaha

2/15/2009 4:41:32 PM

I'm pretty sure I voided the warranty on my Evo within the first month of owning it by taking it to the track. I'm quite certain I'm not one to concern myself with silly warranties.

Quote :

"Its okay he owns an EVO, he should have ample experience with anal manufacturers and voiding of warranties. "

Also, my Evo has 59,800 miles (all of which I put on the car myself). The only maintenance I've ever done on it was replacing fluids (oil, gear oil, etc) at scheduled intervals. Replaced tires, brake pads. Everything mechanical is the original factory stuff. So I have 0 experience with 'anal manufactures and voiding of warranties'. But as I said before, I've never concerned myself with warranties before.

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"Basically, if you want an intact warranty (and you do), there are a SLEW of other cars that will be faster both on the street and on the track, and cost FAR less to maintain for track days."

You've yet to suggest any cars that, in your book, is a far better car for less money. And please don't say "Lotus Elise"

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"^ what about those engine bearing issues I've heard about that require/suggest the engine to be rebuilt after like 60k miles?"

well the engine is hand-built...what do you expect?

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2/15/2009 5:52:12 PM

Quote :

"well the engine is hand-built...what do you expect?"

The reliability of a BMW M3 engine? Since they also happen to be hand built. This excludes the first year of each model. Rod Bearing failure

But there are plenty of 100k+ s50, s52, and now s54s

2/15/2009 6:26:18 PM

^what kind of retarded comment is that? Hand built should ensure it to last much longer.

2/15/2009 6:27:58 PM

^human error...durr

^^isn't this the first build for this generation of GT-R?

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2/15/2009 6:47:00 PM

^That is true. I guess we should reserve judgment until the 2nd year.

^^Umm...did you miss the quote I was responding to?

And hand built doesn't mean its going to last longer. Like ^he said human error, welcome to the real world where people are not perfect 100% of the time.


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2/15/2009 7:17:37 PM

Quote :

"I'm pretty sure I voided the warranty on my Evo within the first month of owning it by taking it to the track. I'm quite certain I'm not one to concern myself with silly warranties. "

The replacement parts for your evo cost 1/4 what they do for a GT-R. Not even including the shop labor, which will be close to double.

Quote :

"The only maintenance I've ever done on it was replacing fluids (oil, gear oil, etc) at scheduled intervals. Replaced tires, brake pads. Everything mechanical is the original factory stuff. So I have 0 experience with 'anal manufactures and voiding of warranties'. But as I said before, I've never concerned myself with warranties before."

All I'm saying is, be prepared to double (or more) your annual maintenance costs. DIY on this car will definitely void the warranty, DIY on your Evo doesn't (brakes, tires, oil et al).

Quote :

"You've yet to suggest any cars that, in your book, is a far better car for less money. And please don't say "Lotus Elise" "

If you really want to stick with AWD, you can always take the plunge on juicing the Evo more.

Or, an Audi RS4, Audi S6, Porsche 997 Turbo, 997 Carrera 4S, or a new Subaru STI + aftermarket of choice.

If you are willing to look at RWD (which, if you are getting bored with an EVO MR, might be a good next step), there are a dozen or more "step up" options.

2/16/2009 3:12:29 AM

Quote :

"Or, an Audi RS4, Audi S6, Porsche 997 Turbo, 997 Carrera 4S, or a new Subaru STI + aftermarket of choice."

none of these options come close to the performance of a GT-R and are more expensive. And getting an STi...would be a step backwards ESPECIALLY the new STi. I've already done the STi thing before the Evo.

Quote :

"DIY on this car will definitely void the warranty, DIY on your Evo doesn't (brakes, tires, oil et al)."

There would be no reason to change factory settings/specs on a GT-R. The Evo on the other hand needed a better brake pad/fluid from stock and wider tires.

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"If you really want to stick with AWD, you can always take the plunge on juicing the Evo more."

The evo is perfect on and off track stock (minus the 'upgrades' I mentioned). I don't really see myself modding the evo in terms of power unless I had a daily driver.

Quote :

"If you are willing to look at RWD (which, if you are getting bored with an EVO MR, might be a good next step), there are a dozen or more "step up" options."

its not a question of RWD vs. AWD for me. I had my sites set on a new M3 until I started seeing more about the GT-R.

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2/16/2009 3:59:04 AM

^so what will be your DD, GT-R or EVO?

2/16/2009 9:35:57 AM

^^good question probably the GT-R. The reason why I wouldn't want to own two cars 1 being lame and fuel efficient is because I'd never drive it. I'd always want to drive the other car.

2/16/2009 6:02:57 PM

Quote :

"none of these options come close to the performance of a GT-R and are more expensive. And getting an STi...would be a step backwards ESPECIALLY the new STi. I've already done the STi thing before the Evo."

No, they aren't. They all provide extremely comparable stock performance, and are the same price, or less than the GT-R. ('07 997 4S, 3-5yr old 997 Turbo, '06-'08 RS4, '09 S6).

The '09 STI is a completely different car. But yeah, I agree, stock, it's not in the same ballpark.

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"There would be no reason to change factory settings/specs on a GT-R. The Evo on the other hand needed a better brake pad/fluid from stock and wider tires."

I don't think you understand. If you do your OWN work (change oil, new tires, etc), even with completely factory parts, you void the warranty. And factory parts carry a HUGE price premium compared to other, similar price-point vehicles.

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"its not a question of RWD vs. AWD for me. I had my sites set on a new M3 until I started seeing more about the GT-R."

You should get the M3. You are going to be in for a rude awakening if this is going to be your daily-driver and go-getter. The ride is rough, even in comparison to your EVO, even in "comfort made". If I put it on a comfort scale, with 1 being full-prep race car bone crushing, and 10 being a Bentley:

My Lotus is a 3
GT-R is a 4
EVO (I'm sure your's is probably setup a bit stiffer) is a ~5.5
BMW M3 (stock) is ~7

But it's obvious you have your heart running the show here and your mind is made up. Do some real research, beyond the car magazine articles. There are several really good GTR owner forums that have a multitude of valuable information, so you can really be aware of the possibilities and limitations of the car, and platform.

[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 6:31 PM. Reason : comfort]

2/16/2009 6:28:46 PM

^I don't actually read any car magazines other then grassroots because they're all crap. I do watch a lot of Top Gear though and I like their method of 'reviews' because they are very very rarely positive about any car. They are pretty harsh on the cars so I think its a fair review not to mention I get to see the car in action and not just pretty pictures. Of course this isn't the say all be all to make decisions based off of...but its a start.

And as for reading forums...I wouldn't buy a car the first year it comes out. I'd rather wait a year or so for all these issues to be resolved.

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"No, they aren't. They all provide extremely comparable stock performance, and are the same price, or less than the GT-R. ('07 997 4S, 3-5yr old 997 Turbo, '06-'08 RS4, '09 S6)."

997 Turbo is $120,000 and laps slower then a GT-R that costs between $74,000-$79,000 depending on which setup you get. All the other options also lap slower and aren't 'new' and I never buy used cars unless it would be a beater. (not a fan of sloppy seconds and I'm full aware of the initial depreciation loss on buying new, I buy cars for the drive not for how much I can get for it when I'm done)

However what these other options DO have that the GT-R doesn't is luxury...but I don't know if I really want that...I thought I did which is why I initially thought of an M3. A lotus Exige is another car I really like but I'd never own.

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2/16/2009 6:46:17 PM

What is the going price for a GT-R now?

An RS4 MSRP is $67000 - $81900 - and I still dont think it really compares to the GT-R

2/16/2009 7:24:54 PM

Quote :

"a GT-R that costs between $74,000-$79,000 depending on which setup you get"

2/16/2009 7:27:59 PM

Quote :

"997 Turbo is $120,000 and laps slower then a GT-R that costs between $74,000-$79,000 depending on which setup you get. All the other options also lap slower and aren't 'new' and I never buy used cars unless it would be a beater. (not a fan of sloppy seconds and I'm full aware of the initial depreciation loss on buying new, I buy cars for the drive not for how much I can get for it when I'm done)"

Like I said, two years old. And the GT-R only hits those lap speeds with VDC off, which you'd have to be retarded to do on a new car. You can add 10-15% to those lap times in a stock, warrantied state.

You just said you don't pay attention to the magazines and hype, yet you are quoting lap times that are completely unattainable without losing the warranty. For someone who only buys new cars, the warranty is the only thing you are getting for that massive amount of throw-away money.

If you buy a car for the drive, then who cars if someone else has sat in the thing for a year? You also should realize that there's a HUGE difference between a used 65k car, and a used EVO/Subaru/M3. Once you get above 50k for a sports car, most people baby the shit out of them and have meticulous records to prove it.

2/16/2009 8:37:16 PM

blah blah blah I drive a lotus.

2/16/2009 10:19:59 PM

blah blah blah, not even part of the discussion

2/16/2009 10:43:54 PM

lol, i can't even begin to quote all the dumbass shit RSX is posting in here. hand building engines makes them less reliable? seriously? wow. i guess top gear didn't cover that subject. they give harsh reviews though, so that makes them fair and accurate! haha, wtf.

i know your blinded by anything slightly american, but a zo6 would be the clear winner here in any case. except driving in the snow maybe. you seem to be just the kind of ignorant elitist that's perfect for a gt-r though, so go ahead and buy it. the rest of us should really enjoy all the hilarity that ensues after you take ownership.

2/16/2009 11:12:51 PM

^you are one dumb fuck...but then again I already knew that from all your posts in the garage.

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"hand building engines makes them less reliable? seriously? "

I guess human error means nothing to you. *shrug*

and yes, I won't buy cars from shitty manufacturers that need free hand outs to stay a float.

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"they give harsh reviews though, so that makes them fair and accurate! haha, wtf."

Did you have a point or are you just up to your usual stupidity.

And I guess anyone that owns a sports car that isn't a z06 is an idiot in your books.

[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 11:25 PM. Reason : .]

2/16/2009 11:18:26 PM

judging from the rest of your retarded posts on this page, i might be upset if you thought any differently.

Quote :

"I guess human error means nothing to you."

you are a fucking moron. each engine has to be built to strict tolerances that are checked and double checked before it's even allowed to leave the assembly area. they're also required to make a certain level of power per SAE guidelines. like i said, if you had any clue about the process you wouldn't be making such stupid comments. in this case, human > machine.

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"and yes, I won't buy cars from shitty manufacturers that need free hand outs to stay a float. "

oh that's just BRILLIANT. definitely a good reason to buy the lesser performing vehicle, over politics and economics that will never have any real affect on you. just make sure you remember that when you see 4 round tail lights at every stoplight and track event. i'm sure the comfort of you being a man of such principle will comfort you!

Quote :

"And I guess anyone that owns a sports car that isn't a z06 is an idiot in your books."

if their goal is to own the top performing sports car in the $70k range, then yes, they are. so far that's all you've said your goal is. oh, that and you like gadgets like navigation. which the zo6 has. now, if you admit to us that you're really just a jdm fanboy at heart, then the gt-r is clearly the logical choice.

[Edited on February 16, 2009 at 11:34 PM. Reason : .]

2/16/2009 11:31:53 PM

^don't waste your time trolling. I will never own a domestic car again...if this offends you, get the fuck over it.

And because you're ignorant...JDM = Japanese Domestic Market...last time I checked an M3 is not Japanese. Which is another car I have been considering.

2/16/2009 11:41:40 PM

^^I didn't even bring up the corvette, because it's entirely obvious he would never consider one.

He doesn't really want the fastest track car. He wants a car that will make him look prestigious on the street, that he can daily driver, occasionally track and lose shit tons of money on.

RSX isn't a good enough driver to make decision on any car based on "lap times". Other than Ahmet, I doubt any of the garage regulars have enough track experience to be able to exploit the capabilities of any track monster (myself definitely included). All the performance comparisons are just ePenis juggling.

This really isn't any different from the guy who spends 10k on a desktop computer, or spends 3k on a SLR camera. Sure you have the best of the best, but what are you going to do with it? A fast computer is only as fast as the person using it. A camera is only as good as the person taking the pictures.

A car only performs as well as the person driving it. He's "upgrading" from an EVO MR, which is already an insanely capable car, a car that professionals spend years of time in just finding the limits. He based his opinion of the car on "Top Gear". He was previously considering an M3.

Definite case of more money than sense.

2/17/2009 12:44:04 AM

im all for anyone on TWW purchasing a GT-R, i dont care the reasoning

2/17/2009 1:23:52 AM