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"There is no rule that says straight people can't enjoy the LBGT center as well, just like straight people can enjoy the events that they bring to campus."

There is no written rule telling us we can't enjoy the center. But if I call my coffee shop "No Niggers Coffee" do you think I'll get much of a black following?

11/1/2006 7:18:00 AM

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"I would love it if ALL of my tutition went towards an LBGT center, rather than to the sports teams so that boring straight guys have an even better reason to get shitfaced and annoy everyone."

Damn those revenue generating sports! If only they were clubs for a small subgroup on campus so that they could be sheltered from people who don't understand their alternative lifestyle! Surely that would fix all our problems!

11/1/2006 7:32:31 AM

PeacePanda I am agreeing with Bgmims on this one if its a center named for a group then less people would be inclined to use it. I doubt its going to turn into the Wolves Den where everyone goes and hangs out. If you allow all students to use the building then the LGBT group will still be able to hear the same people saying the same stuff. All this will do is create a place for those people who dislike the idea of a center and LBGT students to focus their dislike towards. Also your in the BIBLE BELT I doubt that many alumni will like this idea and be supportive of it. I see this as the LGBT using this as a platform to discuss their issues. Plus PeacePanda your on the wolf web and this is what happens to every thread. People will argue just for the sake of arguement and they will say things to piss you off.

11/1/2006 8:27:06 AM

bgmims you are an idiot, your logic amazes me

11/1/2006 8:32:59 AM

Ok I get it. NCSU is a conservative republican campus....I give up None of this logic makes any sense. It's not called "The No Straight People Center"....

[Edited on November 1, 2006 at 10:41 AM. Reason : another thought]

11/1/2006 10:39:11 AM

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"It's not called "The No Straight People Center""

LGBT = not straight

11/1/2006 12:53:45 PM

The BGLA has always included the A. Regardless of what the center is called, I'm sure there will be interaction, outreach, and involvement with the A.

11/1/2006 1:01:15 PM

Why do Ls Gs Bs and Ts need their own center?

11/1/2006 1:26:00 PM

THE SAME DAMN ARGUMENTS HAVE BEEN PUT FORTH FOR 5 PAGES NOW

11/1/2006 1:27:31 PM

AND THE SURVEY SAYS:

NOT BORN GAY
NOT AS GOOD AS STRAIGHT PEOPLE


DING DING DING

11/1/2006 8:35:21 PM

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"I'm sure there will be interaction, outreach, and involvement with the A."

Yes, I'm sure there will be.

11/1/2006 9:20:03 PM

its part of their mission

11/1/2006 9:44:21 PM

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"when compared to other reports from other schools, nc state was judged as one of the least friendly schools towards lgbt persons. this is damaging to the image of ncsu as projected to the nation and prospective students."

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"The Coz: Prospective gay students, perhaps. If they don't want to come, it's no skin off my back."

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"e30ncsu: or any straight student that doesnt want to attend a bigoted, intollerant university"

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"The Coz: Don't need them either. Diversity is such a crock of shit."

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"e30ncsu: i dont need any niggers in my school either"

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"The Coz:See, now we're getting somewhere."

CLASSIC COZ

[Edited on November 1, 2006 at 10:12 PM. Reason : ]

11/1/2006 10:12:08 PM

11/1/2006 10:17:29 PM

lol

11/2/2006 9:21:07 AM

Time to let this one die.

11/2/2006 9:59:38 AM

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"bgmims you are an idiot, your logic amazes me"

It is simple logic Jon. I'm saying that if you call it the LGBT Center, I'm not really welcomed there. Maybe I can go in there, but why would I need to? The center obviously isn't made for me.

Have you ever gone to the African American Student Union or the Women's Center or the Latin American Student Union for help with a problem?

11/2/2006 10:02:29 AM

^^ Sure all the time when I want to watch a movie.

11/2/2006 10:08:23 AM

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"It is simple logic Jon"

its false logic because the center isnt called the "no straights center"

hence, you are an idiot

[Edited on November 2, 2006 at 5:26 PM. Reason : and your last question is more of it]

11/2/2006 5:26:05 PM

^i think he's got you here, Jon....sry man

11/2/2006 5:42:00 PM

jesus christ dont tell me you think that makes sense, its basic fucking logic

here, please read: http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/

11/2/2006 5:43:42 PM

You could go to the Women's Center for help on supporting a family member who had been assaulted/raped.

You could go to the LGBT center for help dealing with a sibling/friend who came out.

The Latino/African American Student Unions could be a good forum for discussing race relations.

There are reasons for ANYONE to go to any of those places.

11/2/2006 8:16:56 PM

and its not just a place to go, they will be organizing things for the entire student body

11/2/2006 8:18:53 PM

i just thought of something...why didnt they like ban this in the 50's back when everyone was against it

like when america had values and shit

we wouldnt have to deal with it now

11/2/2006 8:27:39 PM

i want an answer to my question...where arent there any hot lesbians on campus

11/2/2006 11:57:44 PM

there are hot lesbians on campus. You, however, view them as a piece of meat you want to stick your dick into. As for the Butch lesbians, you can easily tell they are gay, therefore you automatically assume you only see butches on campus when there are plenty of attractive lesbians on campus.

11/3/2006 12:34:00 AM

^very well put

11/3/2006 1:03:48 AM

the more correct answer is that every chick is a lesbian after you feed her enough alcohol

11/3/2006 1:52:37 AM

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"jesus christ dont tell me you think that makes sense, its basic fucking logic "

Notwithstanding the reasons given why I might go to the Women's Center or the AA, LA student unions, let me ask you more about this. Which of those fallacies are you implying I'm falling victim to?

Let me give you a comparable example. Lets say we have a class with five students. Leslie, Guy, Billy, Theresa and Sally. If the class decides to make a club and call it the LGBT Club, which stands for Leslie, Guy, Billy, and Theresa but they say that Sally is certainly welcome, do you think Sally will feel that way? I mean, she is neither L G B or T, so even though the club is not called the 'Not Sally Club' it excludes her by inclusion of everyone she isn't.

I do see there are other reasons than being LGBT that I might benefit from the center (theoretically anyhow) but to say it doesn't at least sound exclusive to non-straight students is ludicrous.

11/3/2006 8:01:44 AM

this is starting to sound too much like Fight Club.

"oh look at me, i'm a complete weirdo that goes to groups that I shouldn't because I dont have the symptoms/disease/thoughts.

11/3/2006 10:00:02 AM

Why not let the students be pissed at how THEIR mandatory fees get spent. If you don't want a Gay Student Center, go ahead and write your rep on student council, or organize you own protest.
Free speech is yours, too. I go to another school, but my beef is that student fees are being used to benefit a tiny percentage of students. Are they going to build a Hare Krishna Student Center? How about an Aryan Nation Student Center? Fruit of Islam Student Center? Doubt it. Why let this one group have special treatment? No special treament, they can raise their own damn money just like everyone else. If you really want to be called equal, whyare you asking for special hand-outs?

11/3/2006 10:26:38 AM

wow... I can't believe that someone defined homosexuality as such:

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"just people who want some extra attention"

I hope you get fag bashed

and by that I mean, I hope some gays break your jaw

11/3/2006 12:36:51 PM

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"Which of those fallacies are you implying I'm falling victim to?"

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"# Person A has position X. # Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X). # Person B attacks position Y. # Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed. "

11/3/2006 4:17:14 PM

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"and its not just a place to go, they will be organizing things for the entire student body"

What? Like circlejerks?

11/3/2006 4:25:12 PM

the whole idea is stupid just like the idea for a black history museum is dumb too

take a cue from morgan freedman. if you want to stop racism, the first thing to do is stop segmenting the groups with these petty little places of self-worship

11/3/2006 4:36:05 PM

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""# Person A has position X. # Person B presents position Y (which is a distorted version of X). # Person B attacks position Y. # Therefore X is false/incorrect/flawed. ""

I did not strawman the argument. What I said was that I didn't perceive the center to be friendly to non gays and you said "Well it isn't the "No Straight People Center" and I showed that there is no difference in being the "No Straight People Center" and the LGBT center.

11/3/2006 4:51:55 PM

no you represented my position with a "no niggers coffee" coffee shop

11/3/2006 11:29:00 PM

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"No special treament, they can raise their own damn money just like everyone else"

You are addressing two different topics. The first is whether the benefit of the center outweighs the costs. If you (or anybody) can provide some analysis/metrics on this, it would be insightful/interesting. Otherwise, your arguments have little to no substance to them. The second is whether the funding should come from student fees ... which we are now on page 10 discussing.

This article provides a fairly good overview on the value of diversity (scroll down to business context): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diversity

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"[...] Informational diversity (differences in knowledge base) has been found to have positive impact on performance, but value diversity (differences in what individuals find important) has been found to have negative impact (Jehn et al 1999). Certain processes in groups help to get the benefits of informational diversity. [...] To increase the odds that unique perspectives are shared it is important to create an awareness in the group about who has access to what knowledge (see work on transactive memory systems). [...] "

11/4/2006 7:24:35 AM

OMG TEH GHEY

11/4/2006 10:48:11 AM

on a sorta related note to the thread
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/11/04/doogie.ap/index.html


^Any interest group is allowed to create an official club, you just need to do the right paper work, get staff sponsors, and do the other maintenance stuff required by the university. I'm sure if you could organize and maintain a large enough presence of the country music club for a long enough time that you too could get an office.

http://www.ncsu.edu/sorc/myOrgs/index.php

Here is a list of alot of clubs, groups, and organizations, several of which through dues or taxes you are some how helping to fund, that haven't acquired 10 pages of complainers.

And we've had a music organization on the campus for over 80 years.
http://alpha.mubetapsi.org/

Its not divided into individual music genres, but neither is the LGBT divided into L club & G club & B club, because the experiences of each are close enought that they can relate.

We have so many Religious/Spiritual organizations & even a generic Religion club itself. And I know I've helped fund them some way or another despite the fact I'm athiest.

Part of the college experience is coming together with different people and working together to grow. So if I can help support about 50 religion clubs, it wouldn't hurt to show the same respect to BGLA club.

11/4/2006 2:01:55 PM

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"Part of the college experience is coming together with different people and working together to grow."

Nothing says "coming together" quite like starting a center devoted making certain groups stand out.

11/4/2006 2:06:43 PM

you're right. we shouldnt have any clubs, groups, organizations what so ever. we should just stand still and act the same.

support each others interests, causes, and beliefs while pursuing our own is a form of coming together, even if it does require several seconds of thinking to comprehend.

and they aren't devoted to making gays stand out, they are devoted to helping the bgla community to thrive and be accepted within the larger community. tolerance is their goal, not emphasis on difference.

11/4/2006 2:24:00 PM

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"you're right. we shouldnt have any clubs, groups, organizations what so ever. we should just stand still and act the same. "

I just think we ought not fund clubs based on gender, religion, ethnicity, or sexual preference. You know, the same things you aren't allowed to discriminate in the workplace on (with the exception of sexual preference, which should be added to the books last century)

[Edited on November 4, 2006 at 2:38 PM. Reason : fund vs. have]

11/4/2006 2:38:01 PM

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"support each others interests, causes, and beliefs while pursuing our own is a form of coming togetherhosting a parasite"

11/4/2006 2:39:14 PM

I think different clubs & organizations working to promote different causes, charities, and tolerance work more in a symbiotic relationship towards improving the community rather than a parasitic one. Often having guest speakers, performers, charities, and events on campus involve the coming together of many groups towards a common goal.

But if clubs cause people this much mental anguish, perhaps an academic college environment isn’t right for them.

11/4/2006 2:48:37 PM

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"on a sorta related note to the thread http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/11/04/doogie.ap/index.html"

I've known he was gay since he co-starred in

11/5/2006 1:05:54 AM

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"But if clubs cause people this much mental anguish, perhaps an academic college environment isn’t right for them."

So you're saying if they don't like being very social, then maybe academics isn't right for them?

Maybe you meant "liberal arts degree program isn't right for them"
I would tend to agree.

11/5/2006 7:55:54 PM

Indeed.

11/5/2006 8:30:49 PM

I suppose we just have differing opinions of what a real college is. I think of it as a place full of new experiences, not hermitville for anyone who isn't a liberal arts major.

Luckily, for me atleast, my conception is closer to what is accurate, and our campus is full of clubs and organizations representing many peoples interests, and continues to grow and change as more and different people come to our university.

11/5/2006 10:28:10 PM

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11/5/2006 10:30:35 PM