I won't lie. I'd vote for him.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/04/politics/joe-biden-most-qualified-person-president-2020/index.html

12/4/2018 10:16:18 AM

I hope Biden runs because literally any social democrat will destroy him in the primary. His track record is miserable.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/08/joe-biden-president-busing-racism
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/08/joe-biden-democratic-party-military-hawk
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/08/joe-biden-neoliberal-democrat-conservative-lobbying
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/08/biden-crime-mass-incarceration-police-prisons
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2018/08/joe-biden-abortion-president

12/4/2018 10:36:04 AM

Don't waste time on it. He's selling books.

12/4/2018 10:38:28 AM

bump

4/16/2020 11:31:19 AM

lol

4/16/2020 11:37:14 AM

How many people here will be volunteering for Biden?

[Edited on April 16, 2020 at 1:27 PM. Reason : .]

4/16/2020 1:08:35 PM

I will volunteer some money to him and some other down ballot Dems (both in and out of state)

4/16/2020 1:11:40 PM

Donating is not volunteering. I'm wondering who will be making calls and knocking on doors to convince people to vote for Biden.

4/16/2020 1:27:48 PM

nobody wants to be caught dead working for him. just posting on facebook about 'vote blue no matter who.'

its an elegant cop-out.

4/16/2020 1:30:51 PM

^^
crickets

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/493123-biden-on-if-he-can-reach-trumps-base-probably-not

???

4/17/2020 11:51:35 AM

You already did it

4/17/2020 11:57:00 AM

Most prescient post ever if this happens

4/17/2020 12:22:34 PM

How many people on this board you think would volunteer for any other candidate?

4/17/2020 12:37:57 PM

Also, Trump's base is the 30% that'll support him no matter what and are made up of people like the idiots blocking ambulances from hospitals in Michigan, fuck them

[Edited on April 17, 2020 at 12:40 PM. Reason : a]

4/17/2020 12:40:33 PM

^^Dave already volunteered for Bernie. Qtn actually worked for Yang campaign. But the point is more the general public, Bernie inspired armies of enthusiastic volunteers to work to get him elected, Biden likely won't have that enthusiastic base.

30% seems way to low, his floor seems much closer to 40% based on approval ratings.

4/17/2020 12:52:51 PM

Too bad Bernie didn't inspire people to vote

4/17/2020 1:06:44 PM

The point is, who do you think all those people Yang, Bernie, Liz and Pete volunteers worked hard registering are going to vote for?

[Edited on April 17, 2020 at 1:09 PM. Reason : the election is going to be close]

4/17/2020 1:08:31 PM

If they're smart they'll vote for Biden.

But knowing them, they'll stay home in protest.

4/17/2020 1:14:41 PM

^^^what a stupid fucking non point

There's no way to quantify how a well stocked supply of enthusiastic volunteers help a campaign (that I know of), but campaigns eagerly seek them out so seems like it must be a benefit. Maybe Biden's slush funds will cancel that out, but sure would be nice to have both.

[Edited on April 17, 2020 at 1:15 PM. Reason : E]

4/17/2020 1:15:29 PM

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"Too bad Bernie didn't inspire people to vote"

Why won't you volunteer for your candidate? This election is very important and could define the future of our country. I personally can't volunteer because I'd be lying about my beliefs, but I recommend you guys get to work. Hillary was a shit candidate but she somehow inspired a dedicated volunteer base.

[Edited on April 17, 2020 at 1:19 PM. Reason : .]

4/17/2020 1:17:17 PM

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" The point is, who do you think all those people Yang, Bernie, Liz and Pete volunteers worked hard registering are going to vote for?"

Yang is going to be interesting to be honest. Polling-wise the number of his supporters who would vote at all if he wasn’t the nominee was starkly different than the rest.

By and large, the other candidates, including Bernie, had bang average 80-90% support for D nominee.

[Edited on April 17, 2020 at 1:21 PM. Reason : X]

4/17/2020 1:20:47 PM

^^^ How is that a stupid point? Of course volunteers help a campaign, I'm not going to argue that. However, all those volunteers are for nothing if people don't actually show up to vote.

[Edited on April 17, 2020 at 1:21 PM. Reason : ^^^]

4/17/2020 1:21:35 PM

They did show up to vote. Unfortunately, Biden had the entire democrat apparatus coalesce around him at a critical moment, while the other progressive candidate slurped up some of the vote that would have gone to Bernie.

Anyways, the primary is not the general. If Biden can't generate enthusiasm through volunteer work, how else will he? Who do you think will receive the vast majority of media coverage?

[Edited on April 17, 2020 at 1:40 PM. Reason : .]

4/17/2020 1:27:19 PM

^^without volunteers, do you think Bernie would have gotten more or less votes? Take your time.

4/17/2020 1:48:04 PM

Biden, without a significant ground game, got more voters than Bernie did with a very vocal set of volunteers.

I'm not saying volunteers don't amplify a candidate.

4/17/2020 2:10:16 PM

Quote :

"Biden, without a significant ground game, got more voters than Bernie did with a very vocal set of volunteers. "

Why do think that is and how would it apply to the general election?

4/17/2020 2:22:32 PM

You're never going to be convinced Biden is a good candidate, I get that. You hitched your wagon to Bernie and I bet at least a small part of you is hoping Biden loses because you want to be able to gloat or you're convinced accelerationism is a legit belief.

So why even bother trying to convince you? Biden wasn't my first or second choice, but I'm going to go the polls and vote him and all the other down ballot candidates. You want to rehash the primary over and over again or just shit on Biden, have fun

4/17/2020 2:27:26 PM

Quote :

"Biden, without a significant ground game, got more voters than Bernie did with a very vocal set of volunteers. I'm not saying volunteers don't amplify a candidate. "

Biden started out with a huge advantage and still needed quite a bit of help.

I'll use a sports analogy and greatly exaggerate to help you, if I play tiger woods in a round of golf this weekend, he could play without 3 clubs and a putter and still beat me easily, but that doesn't mean it's fine to enter the Masters with 3 clubs.

Maybe we're all having different arguments here. You seem to think these subjects are being brought up to say "put Bernie in the game!!" I can't speak for Dave, but that isn't my intent, mine is to say Biden needs to solve these problems and fast bc he's in the masters now. He has a big locked electoral college disadvantage that he needs to solve.

[Edited on April 17, 2020 at 2:40 PM. Reason : Biden NEEDS people to get out the vote and convince undecideds ]

4/17/2020 2:39:35 PM

It's important to analyze the conditions that allowed Biden to massively turn around his dead campaign without any ground game and complete absence of low dollar donations. Ignoring the big money interests and political machinations that propelled his fledgling campaign to the forefront overnight is not a luxury you will be afforded in the general election, so you better have a strategy for it if you want to win the election.

4/17/2020 2:40:52 PM

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"You hitched your wagon to Bernie and I bet at least a small part of you is hoping Biden loses because you want to be able to gloat or you're convinced accelerationism is a legit belief. "

At the moment I'd prefer Trump win because it gives us another opportunity in 4 years to do what needs to be done - aggressively tackle climate change. If Biden wins, we're looking at 8-16 years before we have another opportunity. I wouldn't call that accelerationism - I'd call it pragmatism, given the circumstances. 4 years is late. 8-16 is too late.

We can talk about the courts argument, but really, we already have a conservative majority and who will Biden nominate? Moderates and conservatives.

I've said before I'd vote for Biden if he chooses a good VP and makes sincere commitments (how that looks, I'm not sure). It's our job right now to try and push him toward that.

4/17/2020 3:56:01 PM

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"At the moment I'd prefer Trump win because it gives us another opportunity in 4 years to do what needs to be done"

And just like that, I no longer take you seriously.

4/17/2020 3:57:47 PM

Quote :

"At the moment I'd prefer Trump win because it gives us another opportunity in 4 years to do what needs to be done - aggressively tackle climate change. If Biden wins, we're looking at 8-16 years before we have another opportunity. I wouldn't call that accelerationism - I'd call it pragmatism, given the circumstances. 4 years is late. 8-16 is too late."

I've said it before, and it may be somewhat unfounded (but I don't think so), but I'm afraid that if Trump wins, we may never have another opportunity.

4/17/2020 4:00:29 PM

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"I've said it before, and it may be somewhat unfounded (but I don't think so), but I'm afraid that if Trump wins, we may never have another opportunity."

What do you mean by that? I'm sincerely interested in arguments against what I said from people who believe in the threat of climate change.

4/17/2020 4:01:34 PM

fascism. dictatorship. every day our creep towards it seems to accelerate (that's what i'm seeing).

4/17/2020 4:08:04 PM

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" and who will Biden nominate? Moderates and conservatives."

c’mon, man

4/17/2020 4:13:57 PM

He helped Clarence Thomas get through, perhaps the most conservative justice on the court, and a huge Trump fan.

That said if Trump gets another nominee and can push for a real loyalist, then who knows what he could do. Roberts is held up and a limiting factor, that is mostly made up but even so if he gets a loyalist on the Court you're relying on Roberts AND, I don't know, Gorsuch? Who knows what kind of crazy shit he could try, running as VP with some chump at the head of the ticket? Packing the courts with more loyalists?

4/17/2020 4:25:56 PM

Trump would probably get another 2 nominees

4/17/2020 4:33:07 PM

Quote :

"At the moment I'd prefer Trump win because it gives us another opportunity in 4 years to do what needs to be done - aggressively tackle climate change."

So reelect the asshole who is actively shitting on the environment in nearly every way he can, allowing him to drop massive BMs on the environment for the next 4 years, versus electing a guy who sure, might not be a climate superhero but will at least try and undo the BMs trump has been taking on it and take real action in its favor for the next 4 years.

Yeah, your posts are reaching Earl levels with a take like that.

4/17/2020 5:46:06 PM

Noam Chomsky on the Bernie Sanders endorsement of Joe Biden and the #NeverBiden movement:

https://youtu.be/39902cn5lX8?t=304

If I'm not mistaken, Noam Chomsky considers changes to the climate to be a threat.

[Edited on April 17, 2020 at 6:16 PM. Reason : ]

4/17/2020 6:06:08 PM

holy shit. i had to erase a post i made insulting behe because i didnt realize adultswim preferred trump.

just fucking wow.

4/18/2020 10:57:25 AM

Quote :

"So reelect the asshole who is actively shitting on the environment in nearly every way he can, allowing him to drop massive BMs on the environment for the next 4 years, versus electing a guy who sure, might not be a climate superhero but will at least try and undo the BMs trump has been taking on it and take real action in its favor for the next 4 years."

The issue here is that climate scientists are telling us that moderate action isn't enough and continues the trend toward irreversible damage. 4-8 years of moderate action followed by 4-8 years of another (likely horrific) Republican does nothing for us.

Quote :

"Noam Chomsky on the Bernie Sanders endorsement of Joe Biden and the #NeverBiden movement:"

Chomsky says this every election and liberals trot him out every time while ignoring everything else he's ever said. But I do hear the argument about lower courts. That's worth considering in this election.

[Edited on April 18, 2020 at 12:08 PM. Reason : .]

4/18/2020 12:06:43 PM

I'm agnostic but can see the pros and cons of both sides. You could view this 2020 election in isolation or you could think about the elasticity 4, or 8 years out. There are important questions to be asked like "what will happen after all of the people whose entire political identity is "orange man bad" after Trump is gone?" or "What will happen if a polished politician inherits the MAGA movement?"

The problem is that too many people are dismissive or downright disrespectful towards anyone who has a perspective, opinion, or calculus that is different from their own.

To simplify things, there is actually a situation in football where letting the other team score a touchdown is the best choice.

[Edited on April 18, 2020 at 12:30 PM. Reason : V "agnostic" meaning I don't want either to win but one has to but I don't really care]

4/18/2020 12:24:10 PM

Look Dave, you and Earl agree on stuff!

4/18/2020 12:25:27 PM

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"Chomsky says this every election and liberals trot him out every time while ignoring everything else he's ever said."

Noam Chomsky made this argument in 2016, regarding Donald Trump, and he's made this same argument in 2020, regarding Donald Trump. During which previous elections did he also make this argument?

4/18/2020 2:06:56 PM

Kerry: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/mar/20/uselections2004.usa

Obama: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/chomsky-in-swing-states-v_b_136248

4/18/2020 2:34:59 PM

Quote :

"Look Dave, you and Earl agree on stuff!"

Yeah they've become the same flavor of troll. Ain't reading either of their posts.

4/18/2020 4:33:47 PM

I'm not voting for Trump and I think it's likely that Biden will do enough to win me over in the end, but I'm also not in a swing state so my vote doesn't matter.

But here's the issue I have with all of the moral grandstanding itt - if you guys consider 4 more years of Trump to be an existential threat to humanity, what the hell are you doing? Go volunteer for fuck's sake. You should be working your asses off.

[Edited on April 18, 2020 at 5:40 PM. Reason : .]

4/18/2020 5:37:42 PM

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/tu-quoque

4/18/2020 5:57:45 PM

Quote :

"Ain't reading either of their posts."

This is why public figures like Chomsky can't share a controversial opinion on anything related to Trump even if they believed it. Its just not worth getting canceled over so they say what the people holding the gun to their head want to hear.

Even I would never tell anyone at work how I really feel about democrats because I'd most likely end up getting fired. This is probably why so many people on here are shocked by certain views and think I am trolling. When you don't tolerate certain views, they tend to just go away....until they show up again on election day.

No one can find out how you vote and it turns out the biggest group of people aka the "silent majority" (45% of voters) didn't care enough about Hillary or Trump to vote for either one. I expect our group to be the largest once again in 2020.

[Edited on April 18, 2020 at 6:00 PM. Reason : the difference isn't enough to risk you career on]

4/18/2020 5:59:16 PM

How many alts have you made now Earl?

4/18/2020 6:01:26 PM