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http://bennorton.com/dashcam-video-of-violent-arrest-of-sandra-bland-was-edited/

Video was released, it does have some weird edits in it. I was thinking maybe she did kill herself, but this video definitely makes me question the official story.

She was a little irate, but not much more than I would think a lot of people would be when getting a ticket, didn't seem like she warranted anywhere near the treatment she got though.

7/21/2015 11:35:24 PM

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"I will light you up!"


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"I got epilepsy you mother******."

"Good," he replies."


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""We have certain procedures in place, and he did not comply with those procedures," Texas Department of Public Safety (DPS) Director Steve McCraw told reporters.

"A DPS state trooper has an obligation to exhibit professionalism and be courteous throughout the entire contact, and that wasn't the case in this situation," he said."


Is it illegal to smoke a cigarette during a traffic stop? What's the legal justification for yanking that women out of her car?

[Edited on July 21, 2015 at 11:43 PM. Reason : I def not arguing it doesn't exist...just asking.]

7/21/2015 11:39:51 PM

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There is no legal justification. It was not a lawful command, but as they say, you'll have to argue that in front of the judge.

I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. Power tripping cop is power tripping. Now she's dead, either suicide or murder in the jail. Good job LEOs, good job.

7/22/2015 1:30:59 AM

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OK the cop was on a power trip and out of line. I don't care if he was a dick and pulled her over for going 56 mph in a 55 mph. Fucking cooperate THEN utilize your civic right to fight, draw community attention, file a grievance, whatever. Ultimately these testerone driven cops are not going to back down and can make your life more miserable. I feel like this is where many in the African American community get caught up in these police brutality situations.

Frustrated on what they feel is profiling, rather or not they are right or wrong on a given situation, arguing with the police during a stop is not going to end in a "oh sorry ma'am maybe I should not have pulled you" or "oh yeah that is your right to smoke, my bad".

Know your rights by all means. You don't have to answer any questions. If the cop asks you to step out. Step out. Realistically if the cop arbitrarily then proceed to arrest you for a " no turn signal" given no other pre text any civil rights lawyer is going to have a slam dunk case with your lawsuit.

All this shit rather Freddie Gray, this woman, or Micheal Brown is more of a symptom of an overall aggressive police mind set that has been created post 9-11 and effect people of all color. Unfortunately the black community which historically has had more tension with the police see this as just "cops picking on black people" and seem more likely to resist/argue/fight the police. Even if they are in the right, as the suspect, as we are well aware this resistance is not ending with the police retreating after realizing the wrongs of their ways.

[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 1:36 AM. Reason : M]

7/22/2015 1:31:54 AM

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If you think this is a post 9/11 problem you haven't been paying attention.

This shit has been going on for at least 50-75 years. The only difference now is the prevalence of cameras. In fact, I would argue that it happens less now than before because at least some cops are aware enough to realize that their behavior may be caught on camera.

None of this will change without the elimination of qualified immunity for cops. Stop awarding civil penalties from general tax funds and start paying it out from the police budget or make the officers personally liable. If it's deemed a "training issue" then the department pays out for failure to adequately train their officers. If there is sufficient training and the officer is personally at fault it comes out of the officers pocket.

It's either that or there will be widespread violence. This shit is becoming so visible that at some point we're going to have riots across the nation. I'm surprised that the guy being shot in the back while running away in SC or the release of the Gardena video haven't done more to spark it, but the media is being very careful to focus on just one incident at a time to keep the lid on things.

7/22/2015 1:45:00 AM

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whew... boy... that escalated quickly. I mean that really got out of hand fast.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI

7/22/2015 1:54:57 AM

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I could be wrong on the escalation time line, but discussing the topic with older co workers and reading articles on the issue it seems both correlate 9/11 with a general uptick in militarization and us vs. them mentality that has been ramping since the War on Drugs started.

Either way the issue with the police affects people of all color.

7/22/2015 1:56:34 AM

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the lady had a right to be pissed from the beginning. from my layman's opinion on texas law, it seems like that cop was way out of line and had no business doing pretty much anything he did. this mess about how she should have been polite and it's her fault for losing her cool (i've seen that in several places) is bologna. the only thing she could have done differently (and this is a huge stretch) is put out the cigarette (a menacing weapon?!) when he asked her to... but again that's still a load of donkey shit.

now... the issue of her death. i haven't read up on that or seen any video (is there any?) that gives me enough info to even start to form an opinion... other than she shouldn't have been in custody in the first place.

7/22/2015 2:05:50 AM

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You are right this whole situation is bull shit. Either way what is this woman to do if this cop is insisting on being a power tripping ass hat.......

Give him your ID and registration. You don't have to answer any questions or talk to the cop. Put the cig out no matter how much you feel it violates your rights. Fight that shit after the traffic stop is over. Bitching, arguing, reciting the constitution, praying, etc is not going to deter this dude whose intent on busting your balls.

The death part is strange....

[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 2:10 AM. Reason : L]

7/22/2015 2:10:25 AM

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Yeah, the video is out there, and low and behold what was released was edited.

http://bennorton.com/dashcam-video-of-violent-arrest-of-sandra-bland-was-edited/

Now, this doesn't necessarily mean it was edited for nefarious reasons, but for fucks sake, at least try not to make it so obvious that you've edited the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf8GR3OO9mU

7/22/2015 2:17:01 AM

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i saw that... but i'm not convinced it we are missing out on any pertinent details. it's pretty damn damning for the damn cop's handing of the situation as is.

hell it looks like it might have just been multiple files/tapes that were sloppily joined together to make a full video

[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 2:55 AM. Reason : ]

7/22/2015 2:52:34 AM

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Rolling over and cooperating is bullshit. several years ago a friends 21 year old sister was pulled over in Arkansas and had been drinking. That is 100% her fault for being a dumb kid. They have her a breathalyzer which didn't read .08 so they took her back to the precinct and strip searched her, did another test which read .08 and have her a DUI. She didn't know her rights.

this shit doesn't happen to 21 year old white kids.

7/22/2015 6:12:28 AM

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^^^ that's the same link I posted for the video...

The editing is really suspicious. They wouldn't have done this without a reason, and it also makes me wonder of the audio was edited too. Considering the weirdness of the whole case, that should be very concerning.

Reminds me of the Charleston cops planting the gun and no other cop really objecting.

7/22/2015 10:33:37 AM

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"hell it looks like it might have just been multiple files/tapes that were sloppily joined together to make a full video "

the audio doesn't jump with the video though

7/22/2015 10:38:26 AM

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They're saying it's corrupted and are going to re release... We'll see.

7/22/2015 11:21:42 AM

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Audio can be separated and added later

7/22/2015 11:44:58 AM

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"Rolling over and cooperating is bullshit. several years ago a friends 21 year old sister was pulled over in Arkansas and had been drinking. That is 100% her fault for being a dumb kid. They have her a breathalyzer which didn't read .08 so they took her back to the precinct and strip searched her, did another test which read .08 "


I don't care if the cop is wearing a pin that says "I hate N*$$ers". If the cop asks you to put the smoke out, the economic choice is to put it out. The risk v reward here makes sense to just drop the 25 cent cigarette. If the cop asks for a fucking blow job, then yeah perhaps in this situation don't cooperate. Feel free to maintain your right to be silent or even perhaps state you believe you were unfairly pulled over. Arguing, fighting, acting hysterical, not-cooperating, etc is not going to help you in the short term. Dentaldamn how do you think the women should have responded to this unreasonable traffic stop?

I think it is pretty obvious the cop was "fishing." Either hoping he'd find a real issue, maybe he was having a bad day and just wanted to screw with someone, or though just a racist and was profiling Sandra. No matter not cooperating and fighting with the police to semi-reasonable commands (i.e. step out of your vehicle when requested even if you think there was no cause)is not going to work out in your favor. Had the cop requested to search her vehicle. She is totally within her right to say no and anything the cop finds is inadmissible in court.

BTW i'm sorry about your friend but my friend had a similar situation (he's white) minus the strip part. A cop pulled him for supposedly rolling through a stop sign leaving bar. According to him he acted irate with the cop they he didn't and clearly stopped. The cop made him field blow which came up as 0.08. The cop took him downtown for the "official" blow and after 60 min (can't remember which it is) wait following his request for a friend to witness the test he blew a 0.07 on the machine. The cops supposedly got irritated, put my buddy back into the hold for about half and hour then made him blow again and the machine magically indicated 0.10 this time. So he got a DUI for a 0.10.

My friend is very suspicious about the magical jump of the BAC device on his second blow but he even admit he fucked up and doesn't think he would have had to blow had he calmly handled the traffic stop.

So sorry it is not just black people that cops enjoy fucking with.

[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 11:47 AM. Reason : a]

7/22/2015 11:45:50 AM

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"If the cop asks you to put the smoke out, the economic choice is to put it out. The risk v reward here makes sense to just drop the 25 cent cigarette"


Ha, that's the problem, the risk here shouldn't be that big. At worst, you have a cop that writes you a ticket for everything he can find, not he threatens to tase you, pulls your from your car, tells you your under arrest but not what you're being arrested for, beats you up, then you eventually are dead.

You realize she was well within her rights to keep smoking, even though that's a dick move? If a government agent can harass your or kill you for expressing your rights legally, then you don't actually have that right, all while people like you cheer this system on. Might as well make smoking a criminal offense punishable by death if you are going to support this.

Regardless, the PD have already admitted he acted against procedure, so i don't even think the "powers that be" dispute this aspect of things. They are just disputing she was killed in custody.

[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 11:55 AM. Reason : ]

7/22/2015 11:53:52 AM

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No shit. Cops are fucking awful to everyone.

Glad we agree on that.

7/22/2015 11:55:12 AM

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"that's the problem, the risk here shouldn't be that big. At worst, you have a cop that writes you a ticket for everything he can find, not he threatens to tase you, pulls your from your car, tells you your under arrest but not what you're being arrested for, beats you up, then you eventually are dead.

You realize she was well within her rights to keep smoking"


Dude you are missing the fucking point. I agree with you 100% that the cop was out of line and infringing on this woman's rights.
My point is fighting on the street with the cop is never in the short-term going to work out in your favor. In this instance a fucking cigarette is a small price to pay to get the cop off your ass. If instead he asks for a blow job and he proceeds to get aggressive threaten to tase, and proceeds to take you to jail then you a major case for a civil lawsuit. I'm sure the ALCU and the NAACP would be have
been foaming at the mouth to assist in this situation.

I don't deny the death is suspicious or that the traffic stop was unwarranted. Hell if cops pulled people for not using a turn signal, half
of fucking Raleigh would be at the administrative court in a given week. My main point is that by simply putting out her smoke and not fighting
the police she likely would never have ended up in the jail in the first place. She could have then filed a complaint, perhaps orgainize a
community protest, contacted the NAACP, or whatever. Regardless the situation would not have escalated with her being thrown to the ground
and hauled to jail.

[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 12:02 PM. Reason : a]

7/22/2015 12:02:16 PM

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whoosh

7/22/2015 12:04:39 PM

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^^

7/22/2015 12:28:30 PM

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I mean, come on. I know it makes no sense to become belligerent, but cops should have enough training/self-restraint/common sense to effectively deal with some belligerence.

7/22/2015 12:35:29 PM

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OBEY MY IRRATIONAL REQUESTS OR BE ARRESTED AND VIOLATED.

7/22/2015 12:52:42 PM

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"the audio doesn't jump with the video though"

ah, i didn't have sound on when i watched it for the "edits"

i have no idea what format they recorded in, but I remember back in college downloading movies and the audio would become less synchronized as the movie progressed... by the end of some movies there was sometimes a several second difference... maybe it was some automated process to sync audio? (not making excuses or anything, just brainstorming)

7/22/2015 1:06:39 PM

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7/22/2015 1:09:51 PM

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"maybe he was having a bad day and just wanted to screw with someone"

the video showed his previous traffic stop and he just issued the person a warning and was very polite and friendly.

7/22/2015 1:10:34 PM

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"My main point is that by simply putting out her smoke and not fighting
the police she likely would never have ended up in the jail in the first place."


I highly doubt this. She probably would have ended up "resisting arrest" some way or another. Plain and simple, she did nothing wrong.

And at what point does a request from an officer become unreasonable? There's got to be a gray area between putting out a cigarette and demanding a blow job. To allow any breach of freedom is going to make that line even grayer.

7/22/2015 1:26:32 PM

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Any cop who can't handle their authority being challenged, or who disregards the rights of the people is not qualified to be a cop and should be fired. It's that simple. Nothing she did qualified as a potential threat to the cop. Yes, she was probably being a rude bitch but you're a trained officer so deal with it in a calm and civilized manner. No one except the Dalai Lama is going to be happy about being pulled over.


[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 1:34 PM. Reason : a]

7/22/2015 1:33:36 PM

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You are all right. Solely on the traffic stop alone the cop deserves disciplinary action if not being fired. Either way acting belligerently toward the cop isn't going to magically diffuse the situation. Getting into a fight with cop on the street no matter how out of line the office isn't going to work out with you in the short term. I really think this is why so many African Americans end up in these police brutality situations versus people of other colors who may do something after the situation i.e contacting channel the news agency, ALCU, a lawyer, contacting your city councilmen, or filling a complain at the police agency.

Right or wrong the cop is going to win on the street. Unless you have the officers commanding officer on speed dial or people all around you begin taking cell phone videos on which the cop might get scared enough to back off.

Sure there is a grey area but putting out one's cigarette seems like a pretty low bar.

I'd love to see some you in a traffic stop. I bet the synapses and morons are all like "yes sir" "have a good day officer" and act all pussy like no matter how much as you all want to sound like arm chair martys fighting against police abuse of power.

[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 1:54 PM. Reason : J]

7/22/2015 1:53:34 PM

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My laaaawd has the tone changed in here.

7/22/2015 1:57:13 PM

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You're really something man. I'm sure you respect all authority and will gladly hand over your guns when the government politely asks you to do so.

I remember me and a few of my friends getting chased down by cops at the beach when i was around 17. We were eventually caught, and the cops said the reason we were chased was because bikes had been stolen nearby... we hadn't stolen any bikes, we assumed we were being chased because we were hanging out drinking in a neighborhood gazeebo. I, being a stupid 17 year old kid who was a little drunk, mouthed-off at the cop. He got a little angry, told me I should take some law classes when I went to college, and then he let us go on our way.

7/22/2015 2:00:01 PM

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^^^ You're right. The level-headed response by Sandra should have been to remain calm, follow instructions, and be respectful. But let's be honest, how many of us have instances where our emotions get the best of us? Perhaps she had been having a terrible day and was already emotionally on the edge. She suffered from depression and anxiety so she was already in a troubled state of mind. It would be stupid of the cop to expect everyone he stops to be calm, cool, and collected. Everybody is different and handles these situations differently. Good cops are aware of this and prepared for the verbal insults, attitudes, and anger. 100% of the blame must be placed squarely on the cop and I hope he is sufficiently punished.

[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 2:02 PM. Reason : a]

7/22/2015 2:02:30 PM

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Another friend (white guy) of mine last winter was pulled by a cop for allegedly running a stop sign in his truck. He was driving through a high crime area, taking a short cut from NoDa in Charlotte to uptown. My friend said that he definitively stopped especially since he saw the cop coming down the road in the direction of the intersection. Regardless the cop turned on his lights and pulled him over asking for his license and registration.
Instead of cooperating my friend refused to hand over the items, insisting that he had done nothing wrong and the cop had no right to pull him over. The cop THEN stated he had run a stop sign (I think once again the cop was fishing and used the stop sign as a reason for the traffic stop). My buddy never became belligerently but refused to cooperate and arguing with the cop about the reason for the stop and that he didn’t run the stop sign.
Eventually another cop arrived and they subsequently had my friend exit his vehicle, arrested him, and took him downtown. My friend obtained the dashboard cam that clearly showed him stopping at the stop sign and his charges (including whatever crap they put for not cooperating) were dropped.
Yes he won the war and showed the man but in the short term by not providing minimum cooperation with the police he spent the 5 hours in jail, missed his girlfriend’s birthday party downtown, and had to deal with the hassle of obtaining the police footage and going to court. Whereas just handing over his ID (which you have to per law) the cop may have just let him go or worst case he would have made his gf’s bday and then still had to get the footage to disprove the stop sign ticket.

7/22/2015 2:08:45 PM

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Where's the part where he spend 3 days in jail?

7/22/2015 2:11:44 PM

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and what point are you trying to make, exactly? Obey and kiss cops' asses?

7/22/2015 2:14:58 PM

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" You're really something man. I'm sure you respect all authority and will gladly hand over your guns when the government politely asks you to do so."


I typically don’t trust a lot of the police and I don’t trust the cops to brush off (as their training instructs them to act) if I start mouthing off and being argumentative; not to escalate the situation and/or trump off charges to “teach me a lesson” about not cooperating with the police. Thus I’d assume to do the minimal cooperation as required by law and then fight any slight I consider to my civil rights after the fact.

7/22/2015 2:15:34 PM

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" and what point are you trying to make, exactly? Obey and kiss cops' asses?
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You may want to review my previous posts as my point has been pretty clear…..
Perhaps reading comprehension is not your strong suit as kissing police ass has never been my intent. Nor have I ever questioned that the cop was not only wrong in pulling her over, acting unprofessionally during the stop, or that she should never have gone to jail.

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"I don't care if the cop is wearing a pin that says "I hate N*$$ers". If the cop asks you to put the smoke out, the economic choice is to put it out. The risk v reward here makes sense to just drop the 25 cent cigarette. If the cop asks for a fucking blow job, then yeah perhaps in this situation don't cooperate. Feel free to maintain your right to be silent or even perhaps state you believe you were unfairly pulled over. Arguing, fighting, acting hysterical, not-cooperating, etc is not going to help you in the short term.

[quote] Dude you are missing the fucking point. I agree with you 100% that the cop was out of line and infringing on this woman's rights.
My point is fighting on the street with the cop is never in the short-term going to work out in your favor. In this instance a fucking cigarette is a small price to pay to get the cop off your ass. If instead he asks for a blow job and he proceeds to get aggressive threaten to tase, and proceeds to take you to jail then you a major case for a civil lawsuit. I'm sure the ALCU and the NAACP would be have
been foaming at the mouth to assist in this situation."



[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 2:19 PM. Reason : A]

7/22/2015 2:17:59 PM

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and where would you draw that line? would you politely allow him to be a total jerk to you? would you turn off your car if they asked? remove your keys? spit out your gum or pour out your big gulp? remove a sticker from your car? do a 10 minute field sobriety test even if you hadn't been drinking? allow for a full search of your body and car? wait an hour for the K-9 unit to show-up, even if you've never done an illegal drug in your life?

7/22/2015 2:19:17 PM

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So let me get this straight....

White guy gets pulled over. Refuses to hand over any documents and acts like an ass. Goes downtown and reasons with the police and shows he was breaking no laws. Gets released.

HOLY FUCK BATMAN.

7/22/2015 2:21:09 PM

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I think the tough part for you to understand is that switching your friend's race to black would most likely lead to a different result than what happened. Starting with black oppression by police makes them fearful of even being taken anywhere by a police officer. Then hoping that the legal system, which has historically shown bias against blacks, will take care of him. Sandra was in jail for 3 days! 3 days without any help from a lawyer or the legal system for switching lanes without a turn signal! How many times must the cop have lied to everyone saying she attacked him?

Naivete is OK, but I dont think it's fair to say what she should have done when you dont really know what it's like to not have white skin.


[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 2:23 PM. Reason : a]

7/22/2015 2:21:38 PM

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" spit out your gum or pour out your big gulp"


What a great point. I remember one incident in Wilmington where the cops came and broke up a party me and a buddy TKEshultz from NCSU were attending. We went back across the street to my friend’s house and while I sat on the front porch my buddy was talking to someone about 1-2 yards off the road. At some point during the chaos of breaking the party up one officer crossed the street and told my buddy to dump his beer out and go home. My buddy refused and said he was 21 and this was private property. After 20 seconds of arguing the cop literally karate chopped the beer from his hand and gave him a “public intoxication” and “drinking in public” ticket.

Sure the case got dropped in court but for the cost of a 50-cent Busch Light, he had to fucking drive down to Wilmington and go to court. I suppose the line between following the path of least resistance and fighting the cops is up to your instincts and values. For a 50 cent busch light though the economic choice is obvious.

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HOLY FUCK BATMAN."


There was no reasoning with the police you fucking dipshit. He got out on bail, then had to subpoena for the dash tape, and present his case in front of the judge. Sure he stuck to his guns when he felt he was being unreasonably pulled. Yet proving his point he had to go to jail and then fight to get the charges dropped. Sure if cop asked for a fucking handjob it would be one thing. On the other if he would have given over his ID he likely wouldn't have had to miss his girlfriends bday or spend time in jail.

Keep fighting the good fight man.

[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 2:38 PM. Reason : a]

7/22/2015 2:28:31 PM

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i don't find it surprising at all that you're buddies with TKEshultz.... and I do realize that you're trolling and getting a kick out of playing devil's advocate by trying to rationalize that these uncivilized black people would still be alive if they just treated all cops like their boss

7/22/2015 2:34:13 PM

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Is HUR just giving out great examples of his friends not getting ass beat for being shitheads to the police?

7/22/2015 2:36:21 PM

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yeah, the dipshit retard doesn't see that he's not doing a good job of proving his point

7/22/2015 2:40:06 PM

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Surely cops wake up every morning frothing from the mouth about the opportunity to beat up a black person because they hate african-americans.

I'm guessing you are trolling. As i'm sure my buddies even though they took the hard "route" weren't necessarily physically resisting the police during their interactions. I'm sure if there did they would have gotten beat too.

I actually lived at an apartment complex with this dick cop who used to come to the pool and brag about how if he wanted to "teach someone a lesson" all he had to do was verbally assert "stop resisting" blah blah blah. That way the recording mic would make it sound like the person was physically fighting back. For example if some kid ran from him, even if the suspect gave up and got on the ground in preparation for arrest, he might giving him a few kicks to the gut.

This guy was on a serious power trip and the type of cop that gives communities issues with police. Never once though did he differentiate that this was special black people treatment.

7/22/2015 3:18:42 PM

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LOL, was this a joke?

You think that only real racists go around telling everyone who will listen that they are racist and proud? The vast majority of racists know to keep it secret, relegating it to emails between people they think are sympathizers, group meetings, and GOP conventions (ha, just kidding...). These abusive cops can also be acting as the agent of a racist system, without realizing they're being racists. Just think back to the N. Charleston incident where the cop planted the weapon... there were black cops that didn't speak up about that too. Look at Baltimore, there were also black officers involved in that cover up as well.

The fact that no individuals are pounding their chest shouting "i hate ni99ers" doesn't mean they aren't racists, or the system isn't racist.

I'm gonna post this article again too, because it covers some of this:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/11/26/us/ferguson-racism-or-racial-bias/

7/22/2015 3:28:36 PM

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"Surely cops wake up every morning frothing from the mouth about the opportunity to beat up a black person because they hate african-americans."


this is called a straw man. i don't think anyone is trying to argue that every cop wants to beat black people.

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"Never once though did he differentiate that this was special black people treatment."


So are you saying that since this guy guy, who obviously wanted to beat people, but never said he specifically wanted to beat black people, then it proves the point you're trying to make?

7/22/2015 3:35:24 PM

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^^ I'm sure you are right in a lot of that but I still maintain that many of these "incidents" are more due to power-tripping cops rather than every cop is a racist bigot that hates black people.

The media though eats up any incident of white on black police abuse and it is always guilty until innocent that the cop was racist until proven otherwise. I think power hungry cops are a problem that all people should be angry about and I think a lot of opportunity to fix the system is lost when every Michael Brown incident turns into a "the cops just hates black people" instead of dealing with police abuse power and it's effect on all people.

Having lived in Wilmington it felt that police profiled "college kids" in general just as much as going after the "blacks" in all the community issues I heard regarding problems with police abusing power.

[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 3:38 PM. Reason : a]

7/22/2015 3:37:54 PM

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"Surely cops wake up every morning frothing from the mouth about the opportunity to beat up a black person because they hate african-americans."

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"every cop is a racist bigot that hates black people. "


Except nobody is arguing that's the case dipshit.

You're really, really bad at this.

7/22/2015 3:46:40 PM

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