http://bennorton.com/dashcam-video-of-violent-arrest-of-sandra-bland-was-edited/Video was released, it does have some weird edits in it. I was thinking maybe she did kill herself, but this video definitely makes me question the official story.She was a little irate, but not much more than I would think a lot of people would be when getting a ticket, didn't seem like she warranted anywhere near the treatment she got though.
7/21/2015 11:35:24 PM
7/21/2015 11:39:51 PM
There is no legal justification. It was not a lawful command, but as they say, you'll have to argue that in front of the judge.I don't know why anyone is surprised by this. Power tripping cop is power tripping. Now she's dead, either suicide or murder in the jail. Good job LEOs, good job.
7/22/2015 1:30:59 AM
OK the cop was on a power trip and out of line. I don't care if he was a dick and pulled her over for going 56 mph in a 55 mph. Fucking cooperate THEN utilize your civic right to fight, draw community attention, file a grievance, whatever. Ultimately these testerone driven cops are not going to back down and can make your life more miserable. I feel like this is where many in the African American community get caught up in these police brutality situations. Frustrated on what they feel is profiling, rather or not they are right or wrong on a given situation, arguing with the police during a stop is not going to end in a "oh sorry ma'am maybe I should not have pulled you" or "oh yeah that is your right to smoke, my bad".Know your rights by all means. You don't have to answer any questions. If the cop asks you to step out. Step out. Realistically if the cop arbitrarily then proceed to arrest you for a " no turn signal" given no other pre text any civil rights lawyer is going to have a slam dunk case with your lawsuit.All this shit rather Freddie Gray, this woman, or Micheal Brown is more of a symptom of an overall aggressive police mind set that has been created post 9-11 and effect people of all color. Unfortunately the black community which historically has had more tension with the police see this as just "cops picking on black people" and seem more likely to resist/argue/fight the police. Even if they are in the right, as the suspect, as we are well aware this resistance is not ending with the police retreating after realizing the wrongs of their ways.[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 1:36 AM. Reason : M]
7/22/2015 1:31:54 AM
If you think this is a post 9/11 problem you haven't been paying attention.This shit has been going on for at least 50-75 years. The only difference now is the prevalence of cameras. In fact, I would argue that it happens less now than before because at least some cops are aware enough to realize that their behavior may be caught on camera.None of this will change without the elimination of qualified immunity for cops. Stop awarding civil penalties from general tax funds and start paying it out from the police budget or make the officers personally liable. If it's deemed a "training issue" then the department pays out for failure to adequately train their officers. If there is sufficient training and the officer is personally at fault it comes out of the officers pocket.It's either that or there will be widespread violence. This shit is becoming so visible that at some point we're going to have riots across the nation. I'm surprised that the guy being shot in the back while running away in SC or the release of the Gardena video haven't done more to spark it, but the media is being very careful to focus on just one incident at a time to keep the lid on things.
7/22/2015 1:45:00 AM
whew... boy... that escalated quickly. I mean that really got out of hand fast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI
7/22/2015 1:54:57 AM
I could be wrong on the escalation time line, but discussing the topic with older co workers and reading articles on the issue it seems both correlate 9/11 with a general uptick in militarization and us vs. them mentality that has been ramping since the War on Drugs started.Either way the issue with the police affects people of all color.
7/22/2015 1:56:34 AM
the lady had a right to be pissed from the beginning. from my layman's opinion on texas law, it seems like that cop was way out of line and had no business doing pretty much anything he did. this mess about how she should have been polite and it's her fault for losing her cool (i've seen that in several places) is bologna. the only thing she could have done differently (and this is a huge stretch) is put out the cigarette (a menacing weapon?!) when he asked her to... but again that's still a load of donkey shit. now... the issue of her death. i haven't read up on that or seen any video (is there any?) that gives me enough info to even start to form an opinion... other than she shouldn't have been in custody in the first place.
7/22/2015 2:05:50 AM
You are right this whole situation is bull shit. Either way what is this woman to do if this cop is insisting on being a power tripping ass hat.......Give him your ID and registration. You don't have to answer any questions or talk to the cop. Put the cig out no matter how much you feel it violates your rights. Fight that shit after the traffic stop is over. Bitching, arguing, reciting the constitution, praying, etc is not going to deter this dude whose intent on busting your balls.The death part is strange....[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 2:10 AM. Reason : L]
7/22/2015 2:10:25 AM
Yeah, the video is out there, and low and behold what was released was edited.http://bennorton.com/dashcam-video-of-violent-arrest-of-sandra-bland-was-edited/Now, this doesn't necessarily mean it was edited for nefarious reasons, but for fucks sake, at least try not to make it so obvious that you've edited the video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf8GR3OO9mU
7/22/2015 2:17:01 AM
i saw that... but i'm not convinced it we are missing out on any pertinent details. it's pretty damn damning for the damn cop's handing of the situation as is.hell it looks like it might have just been multiple files/tapes that were sloppily joined together to make a full video [Edited on July 22, 2015 at 2:55 AM. Reason : ]
7/22/2015 2:52:34 AM
Rolling over and cooperating is bullshit. several years ago a friends 21 year old sister was pulled over in Arkansas and had been drinking. That is 100% her fault for being a dumb kid. They have her a breathalyzer which didn't read .08 so they took her back to the precinct and strip searched her, did another test which read .08 and have her a DUI. She didn't know her rights. this shit doesn't happen to 21 year old white kids.
7/22/2015 6:12:28 AM
^^^ that's the same link I posted for the video...The editing is really suspicious. They wouldn't have done this without a reason, and it also makes me wonder of the audio was edited too. Considering the weirdness of the whole case, that should be very concerning.Reminds me of the Charleston cops planting the gun and no other cop really objecting.
7/22/2015 10:33:37 AM
7/22/2015 10:38:26 AM
They're saying it's corrupted and are going to re release... We'll see.
7/22/2015 11:21:42 AM
Audio can be separated and added later
7/22/2015 11:44:58 AM
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7/22/2015 11:53:52 AM
No shit. Cops are fucking awful to everyone. Glad we agree on that.
7/22/2015 11:55:12 AM
7/22/2015 12:02:16 PM
whoosh
7/22/2015 12:04:39 PM
^^
7/22/2015 12:28:30 PM
I mean, come on. I know it makes no sense to become belligerent, but cops should have enough training/self-restraint/common sense to effectively deal with some belligerence.
7/22/2015 12:35:29 PM
OBEY MY IRRATIONAL REQUESTS OR BE ARRESTED AND VIOLATED.
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7/22/2015 1:26:32 PM
Any cop who can't handle their authority being challenged, or who disregards the rights of the people is not qualified to be a cop and should be fired. It's that simple. Nothing she did qualified as a potential threat to the cop. Yes, she was probably being a rude bitch but you're a trained officer so deal with it in a calm and civilized manner. No one except the Dalai Lama is going to be happy about being pulled over. [Edited on July 22, 2015 at 1:34 PM. Reason : a]
7/22/2015 1:33:36 PM
^^^^^^You are all right. Solely on the traffic stop alone the cop deserves disciplinary action if not being fired. Either way acting belligerently toward the cop isn't going to magically diffuse the situation. Getting into a fight with cop on the street no matter how out of line the office isn't going to work out with you in the short term. I really think this is why so many African Americans end up in these police brutality situations versus people of other colors who may do something after the situation i.e contacting channel the news agency, ALCU, a lawyer, contacting your city councilmen, or filling a complain at the police agency. Right or wrong the cop is going to win on the street. Unless you have the officers commanding officer on speed dial or people all around you begin taking cell phone videos on which the cop might get scared enough to back off.Sure there is a grey area but putting out one's cigarette seems like a pretty low bar. I'd love to see some you in a traffic stop. I bet the synapses and morons are all like "yes sir" "have a good day officer" and act all pussy like no matter how much as you all want to sound like arm chair martys fighting against police abuse of power.[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 1:54 PM. Reason : J]
7/22/2015 1:53:34 PM
My laaaawd has the tone changed in here.
7/22/2015 1:57:13 PM
You're really something man. I'm sure you respect all authority and will gladly hand over your guns when the government politely asks you to do so.I remember me and a few of my friends getting chased down by cops at the beach when i was around 17. We were eventually caught, and the cops said the reason we were chased was because bikes had been stolen nearby... we hadn't stolen any bikes, we assumed we were being chased because we were hanging out drinking in a neighborhood gazeebo. I, being a stupid 17 year old kid who was a little drunk, mouthed-off at the cop. He got a little angry, told me I should take some law classes when I went to college, and then he let us go on our way.
7/22/2015 2:00:01 PM
^^^ You're right. The level-headed response by Sandra should have been to remain calm, follow instructions, and be respectful. But let's be honest, how many of us have instances where our emotions get the best of us? Perhaps she had been having a terrible day and was already emotionally on the edge. She suffered from depression and anxiety so she was already in a troubled state of mind. It would be stupid of the cop to expect everyone he stops to be calm, cool, and collected. Everybody is different and handles these situations differently. Good cops are aware of this and prepared for the verbal insults, attitudes, and anger. 100% of the blame must be placed squarely on the cop and I hope he is sufficiently punished.[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 2:02 PM. Reason : a]
7/22/2015 2:02:30 PM
Another friend (white guy) of mine last winter was pulled by a cop for allegedly running a stop sign in his truck. He was driving through a high crime area, taking a short cut from NoDa in Charlotte to uptown. My friend said that he definitively stopped especially since he saw the cop coming down the road in the direction of the intersection. Regardless the cop turned on his lights and pulled him over asking for his license and registration.Instead of cooperating my friend refused to hand over the items, insisting that he had done nothing wrong and the cop had no right to pull him over. The cop THEN stated he had run a stop sign (I think once again the cop was fishing and used the stop sign as a reason for the traffic stop). My buddy never became belligerently but refused to cooperate and arguing with the cop about the reason for the stop and that he didn’t run the stop sign.Eventually another cop arrived and they subsequently had my friend exit his vehicle, arrested him, and took him downtown. My friend obtained the dashboard cam that clearly showed him stopping at the stop sign and his charges (including whatever crap they put for not cooperating) were dropped.Yes he won the war and showed the man but in the short term by not providing minimum cooperation with the police he spent the 5 hours in jail, missed his girlfriend’s birthday party downtown, and had to deal with the hassle of obtaining the police footage and going to court. Whereas just handing over his ID (which you have to per law) the cop may have just let him go or worst case he would have made his gf’s bday and then still had to get the footage to disprove the stop sign ticket.
7/22/2015 2:08:45 PM
Where's the part where he spend 3 days in jail?
7/22/2015 2:11:44 PM
and what point are you trying to make, exactly? Obey and kiss cops' asses?
7/22/2015 2:14:58 PM
7/22/2015 2:15:34 PM
7/22/2015 2:17:59 PM
and where would you draw that line? would you politely allow him to be a total jerk to you? would you turn off your car if they asked? remove your keys? spit out your gum or pour out your big gulp? remove a sticker from your car? do a 10 minute field sobriety test even if you hadn't been drinking? allow for a full search of your body and car? wait an hour for the K-9 unit to show-up, even if you've never done an illegal drug in your life?
7/22/2015 2:19:17 PM
So let me get this straight....White guy gets pulled over. Refuses to hand over any documents and acts like an ass. Goes downtown and reasons with the police and shows he was breaking no laws. Gets released. HOLY FUCK BATMAN.
7/22/2015 2:21:09 PM
I think the tough part for you to understand is that switching your friend's race to black would most likely lead to a different result than what happened. Starting with black oppression by police makes them fearful of even being taken anywhere by a police officer. Then hoping that the legal system, which has historically shown bias against blacks, will take care of him. Sandra was in jail for 3 days! 3 days without any help from a lawyer or the legal system for switching lanes without a turn signal! How many times must the cop have lied to everyone saying she attacked him? Naivete is OK, but I dont think it's fair to say what she should have done when you dont really know what it's like to not have white skin.[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 2:23 PM. Reason : a]
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7/22/2015 2:28:31 PM
i don't find it surprising at all that you're buddies with TKEshultz.... and I do realize that you're trolling and getting a kick out of playing devil's advocate by trying to rationalize that these uncivilized black people would still be alive if they just treated all cops like their boss
7/22/2015 2:34:13 PM
Is HUR just giving out great examples of his friends not getting ass beat for being shitheads to the police?
7/22/2015 2:36:21 PM
yeah, the dipshit retard doesn't see that he's not doing a good job of proving his point
7/22/2015 2:40:06 PM
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7/22/2015 3:35:24 PM
^^ I'm sure you are right in a lot of that but I still maintain that many of these "incidents" are more due to power-tripping cops rather than every cop is a racist bigot that hates black people. The media though eats up any incident of white on black police abuse and it is always guilty until innocent that the cop was racist until proven otherwise. I think power hungry cops are a problem that all people should be angry about and I think a lot of opportunity to fix the system is lost when every Michael Brown incident turns into a "the cops just hates black people" instead of dealing with police abuse power and it's effect on all people.Having lived in Wilmington it felt that police profiled "college kids" in general just as much as going after the "blacks" in all the community issues I heard regarding problems with police abusing power.[Edited on July 22, 2015 at 3:38 PM. Reason : a]
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