Lettuce discuss her here.

12/31/2014 12:30:58 PM

Is this the black white chick or the black black chick?

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12/31/2014 12:35:37 PM

latter

12/31/2014 12:36:27 PM

12/31/2014 12:36:58 PM

She means as much to me as Iggy Azalea, Giadii Laurentiss, Lindsay Lohan, or Kelly Ripa

12/31/2014 12:39:46 PM

I'm so glad 'black music' is synonymous with 'ignorant formulaic rap' these days.

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12/31/2014 12:40:38 PM

tbh, her name sounds like it should be a porn stars name

12/31/2014 12:53:06 PM

I don't even know how to pronounce her name.

Azz ayy uh lee uh

12/31/2014 12:53:08 PM

I assume it's "azalea" like the plant. But they really butchered the spelling if that's what she's going for.

12/31/2014 1:10:12 PM

I could listen to these hip hop interview videos all day

[Edited on December 31, 2014 at 2:20 PM. Reason : V yeah, among all sorts of other stupidity ]

12/31/2014 2:04:53 PM

Is this the chick who said white people aren't allowed to do rap/hip hop?

12/31/2014 2:09:13 PM

She means as much to me as Gladiolus Knight, Rose-ario Dawson, Daisy Fuentes, and Lily Cole.

12/31/2014 2:10:09 PM

A-Wreath-a Franklin

goddammit that was bad

12/31/2014 2:16:47 PM

Willow Smith

12/31/2014 2:18:03 PM

Savannah Guthrie

12/31/2014 2:18:57 PM

cher -ry tree

rose-mary j blige

12/31/2014 2:25:17 PM

I like the record she put out

12/31/2014 2:35:07 PM

Madonnuh

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12/31/2014 2:46:22 PM

I saw the Macklemore interview, it was pretty good.

12/31/2014 3:45:19 PM

for the record, I like that she put out

12/31/2014 3:50:25 PM

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"how many of synapse's posts / threads are actually made by his girlfriend?"

12/31/2014 3:57:51 PM

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"I saw the Macklemore interview, it was pretty good."

Yah that's what led me to the video I embedded.

12/31/2014 4:07:46 PM

I think she should stop bullying that white girl.

12/31/2014 5:09:10 PM

I like to hate/irony read all those hand-wringing articles about cultural appropriation, the more hypocritical the article the better.


http://grantland.com/features/who-won-2014/

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"Is it fair, having to do more than some of your peers to be respected? No. Is it fair, having to go out of your way to prove your legitimacy, when others around you are granted a pass? No. Is it fair, having to convince the public you’re not a fraud? No. What seems to rub so many the wrong way is that Iggy doesn’t seem to acknowledge that many others live in this unfair world. And when it comes to getting respect, black artists — especially black female artists — constantly live in a world where they have to do more, prove more, convince more just to be taken seriously. Taken as seriously as someone like Iggy Azalea."

Yes, it's horrible when people have the legitimacy of their art doubted because of the color of their skin.

Wait...

Isn't that what you're doing right now?

1/1/2015 2:19:35 AM

People take iggy azalea seriously?

1/1/2015 4:56:21 AM

^was gonna be my comment.

Then again, shes prolly made more money this year than i'll make the rest of my life, so........?

1/1/2015 5:58:04 AM

i watched like the first minute of that video synapse posted. had to like turn it off. she may be like educated, but you wouldnt know it

1/1/2015 7:21:42 AM

I watched the first 17 minutes, and I will post some comments later, maybe.

But, I want everybody to watch from 12:30 for about a minute, and post any comments/feelings here.

1/1/2015 8:24:27 AM

^ I didnt watch the video, these are just my general thoughts on the subject

i think she has some totally valid points, although she paints with an overly broad brush, which detracts from her credibility quite a bit. It illustrates to me that she's not as insightful as she thinks she is - to exclude white people from hip-hop is a preposterous concept. They've been involved from the beginning and have a place in the pantheon just as much as anyone else. There are points on which I can empathize with her - in general I agree with her sentiment that african american women are among the most marginalized people in America, and I can understand why her ire is directed at Iggy (who is terrible, btw) - here you have a former model who was manufactured by producers based on her "novel" voice and visual appeal - not a real artist who has had to bust their ass to get to the top.

Even people like J. Cole are taking shots at white rappers now, without understanding that there is certainly a divide - you have people like Eminem and Macklemore (who some may not like) who realize and respect the roots of hip-hop culture and pay homage to it on one side, and people like Iggy who are trash, manufactured by industry players who just want to make money whatever the cost.

[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 8:58 AM. Reason : .]

1/1/2015 8:57:05 AM

she ratchet, mane.

GTFOH with this thread.

1/1/2015 9:40:18 AM

I just don't understand the narrative that white women have an easy path to hip hop glory.

Name 5 successful white female rap stars in history.

[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 12:31 PM. Reason : ]

1/1/2015 12:30:51 PM

i don't exactly know what we're talking about cause i'm not gonna watch that 40 minute interview...but you can't really deny that iggy azalea, an australian rapper, has completely exploited the southern hip hop sound. and i can see why a lot of people don't like her for that and don't take her seriously.

1/1/2015 12:45:02 PM

^^ can you name 5 successful black women rap artist? like real successful? lol


I believe Lauryn Hill is/was the best female mainstream rapper known( before she went crazy and MIA) and she never hit the amount of success and level of fame Iggy has. It's just the truth.

[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 1:06 PM. Reason : ff]

1/1/2015 1:04:02 PM

I accept OEPII1's " watch from 12:30 and share your thoughts" challenge:

Disclaimer: All thoughts in this piece original, and like most of my trollingpostings in this forum all thoughts are my own.

_____
Ahem,

Azealia should know a "mason," in fact, is a builder, a blue-collar worker, or possibly was once defined as a "slave" who built houses or castles for the king, hence "masonry."

The Freemason foundations of America and the Illuminati symbolism are inextricably tied to the foundations of our country. This is nothing new. But America, since its inception, is a safe haven for slaves, scaliwags, and secret societies. Yet elements of society now point to secret societies or an "illuminati agenda" seeking to hold down culture by assassinating Tupac, smearing Bill Cosby, and turning Azealia's hair an awful shade of purple (also known as "ghetto violet" not to be confused with "ghetto violence")

The energy that Azealia is putting into alleging that she is owed "trillions" would be better spent in recognizing that her discovery of the heritage of capitalist exploitation of labor (quoting Azealia in that interview) is ancient and extends into other parts of the world and was conceptually the foundation of many secret societies and capitalist developments. So why whine about it?

Don't hesitate, illuminate.

But her take on it is wrong; the exploitation and destruction of cultures is not limited to race. The system has been stripping away the rights of laborers, factory workers, fieldhands, and salt-of-the-earth personalities since the industrial revolution.

We pray to the church of machination, see "Summer Olympics 2012 Theme: Industrial Revolution" and have a disdain for human labor, culturally. We look down on people who work with their hands, and she is extending that to saying there is a systematic discrimination of races in the country because of our cultural association of blacks with slavery (working with their hands).

This is why we look down on newspaper delivery people, food service industry, assembly line workers, and people who craft things with their hands.

And who is to blame according to "revolutionary thinkers" seeking to expose the "Illuminati Conspiracies" ? The secret societies of America, like the Freemasons of course.

But it was the Freemasons who were the builders of the European kingdoms and who worked with their hands and realized that their craftsmanship was intrinsic to the infrastructure of the kingdom. What is a king without a castle? You must have the workers.

This secret society of "masons" who moved about "freely" and were granted privileges due to their technical acumen and necessary skills to build infrastructure, defense, utilities, etc.

So no, there is no illuminati that wants to sabotage the image or hold people down who work with their hands or are owed "reparations".

Personally, my freemason roots built the castles of Europe. Where are my quadrillions? Can you put a price on Buckingham palace, Azealia? My great-great-great grandfather built a castle for a Duchess, do Kate and William owe me ten quadrillion for exploiting my cultural slave labor?

In fact, the origins of elite society (Freemasons, Illuminati) come from a culture of making yourself technically relevant and being proud of working with your hands. We don't ask for handouts, we take over from within, with the knowledge that we built this country with our own hands. And yes, that's the "royal" we.


[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 1:19 PM. Reason : So stop bitching and put out a hit record already instead of trying to copy Iggy]

1/1/2015 1:09:17 PM

^^ Lauren Hill, Nicki Minaj, Lil' Kim, Queen Latifah, Missy Elliot

I don't know what you mean by "like real successful" but all of them are more successful than any white female rapper besides possibly Iggy.

1/1/2015 1:41:43 PM

there's also rappers like mc lyte, jean grae, rapsody who have had pretty long careers and are really well respected as good rappers but haven't had mainstream success

1/1/2015 1:47:24 PM

Yes welcome to literally every music genre

1/1/2015 1:56:45 PM

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"I don't know what you mean by "like real successful" but all of them are more successful than any white female rapper besides possibly Iggy."

and that's the point I'm making. Iggy shouldn't be this popular . The Hip hop vacuum (well mainstream) is actually small. we seen popularity and exposure all those female rappers and it's no where close to Iggy's.


And we know why...

1/1/2015 2:04:52 PM

Soulja Boy shouldn't have been popular

Sometimes less talented musicians become popular for a while, it happens

And the point I'm making is that if being white is what made Iggy popular, then why is she the first popular white female rapper? Shouldn't there have been more if whiteness is such an overwhelming advantage?


[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 2:10 PM. Reason : ]

1/1/2015 2:08:05 PM

I actually have no problem with Iggy. I dont think she will be around in 3 more years. You're forgotten fast in the pop world. Hip hop heads aren't going to bring up Iggy in any hip hop dialogue ever.

I have no idea who Azealia Banks is and I think she is just beefing. it means nothing


this debate to me is just like when people name KISS as an all time great band and I throw back my head and laugh.

1/1/2015 2:10:21 PM

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"Soulja Boy shouldn't have been popular "

agreed but he's a niche. I never saw that dude on Ellen. He never had Iggy popularity. He was never up for a Grammy for best rap album. ( I dont think)

I get it. it happens.

1/1/2015 2:15:31 PM

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"Yes welcome to literally every music genre"

lol, i was just adding a few more black female rappers that have enjoyed relatively successful careers on top of the ones you listed. not sure what you're getting at. i'm aware that some artists have mainstream popularity while others don't in all genres.

1/1/2015 2:16:46 PM

^ ah my bad, I thought it was possibly what you meant but figured you were probably saying that since those were talented artists who never broke through it meant Iggy doing so was proof of Banks' point.

1/1/2015 2:20:24 PM

nah, i was just backing you up haha

1/1/2015 2:29:35 PM

Q-Tip's response was interesting:
http://www.complex.com/music/2014/12/qtip-iggy-azalea-history-lesson

1/1/2015 2:32:09 PM

Quote :

"And the point I'm making is that if being white is what made Iggy popular, then why is she the first popular white female rapper? Shouldn't there have been more if whiteness is such an overwhelming advantage?"

she's played consistently on pop radio stations while others haven't been in the past. hell, I've heard Juicy J's verse cut out of that Katy Perry song on both of our pop radio stations while Iggy gets her shit played all the time on both.

that's what people have a problem with. she's the "safe" one that got hoisted into the mainstream, while many before her (much, much more talented, btw) never got a chance.

throw in her completely invented/co-opted voice, that's why there's an issue.

1/1/2015 2:47:20 PM

^ for those too lazy to pull the complex article and piece together Qtips Tweets,
here is a gratuitous concatenation to pay tribute to TWW

(happy 2015: Did I ever think in 2001 that I would use the expression "Q-tip's Tweets" and expect that it would mean something someday?__ahh technology)

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" HipHop is a artistic and socio-political movement/culture that sprang from the disparate ghettos of NY in the early 70's Coming off the heels of the CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT and approaching the end of the Vietnam war it was a crossroads 4 America specially for blacks in the US our neighborhoods were PROLIFERATED w/a rush of HEROINE our school systems here in NY dungeon traps with light for learning blk men some of whom didn't return from tours of duty n the ones who did came w/war baggage (agent orange, addiction, ect..) these men had families but due to these events and throw into the mix the public emasculation...they proved to be handicapped parents. The surrogate parents? The STREETS the streets of gangs, crimes, and the hustlers coddled us and swept us up but! Being a spirited, rhythmic & expressive people music art dance outlined our existence it proved a way for us to exhault to scream to dance to laugh and find OUR VOICE we weren't at the time skilled musicians as kids. We had records, turntables, ideas and INGENUITY being natural chemist we took from whatever was availed to us and we created something mighty and special we cut breakbeats back n forth we took a hybrid of Jamaican toasting along w/ radio jock rap( hank Spann, Gary Byrd, ect.) and we put our rap down..it was a neighborhood thing really. Black and Latino Kids were carving out their space and it became infectious eventually Keith Cowboy coined the phrase hiphop . Yrs later the first rap record was recorded and now we r moving but during these strides this country still had the monster of racism and racial insensitivity breathing and ruling believe it or not young black n Latino lives specifically weren't acknowledged in mainstream American culture unless Ofcourse..the convo was abt gangs , being criminals or uneducated. And hey! Like I stated early our families were rushed our schools sucked and we were left to put devices to survive but HIPHOP showed that we had DEPTH, fire, and BRILLANCE the music was undeniable! It moved from NY N became national and even GLOBAL hiphop now was FOR EVERYBODY!! All of those who cld relate to the roots, the spirit, the history, the energy.. It reached YOU it touched your spirit n took u up. We magnetized you! That's what BRILLANCE does now u are fulfilling your dreams ... BUT! you have to take into account the HISTORY as you move underneath the banner of hiphop. As I said before hiphop is fun it's vile it's dance it's traditional it's light hearted but 1 thing it can never detach itself from is being a SOCIO-Political movement. U may ask why ... Well once you are born black your existence I believe is joined with socio-political epitaph and philos based on the tangled and treacherous history SLAVERY alone this is the case it never leaves our conversation... Ever. WeAther in our universities our dinner tables our studios or jail cells he effects still resononates with us. It hurts... We get emotional and angry and melancholy did u know president Clinton was the ONLY PRESIDENT to apologize for it? did u know that remnants of slavery exist today thru white privilege? When certain "niceties" r extended your way because of how u look? Isn't that crazy? I say this 2 say u are a hiphop artist who has the right 2 express herself however she wishes this is not a chastisement this is not admonishment at ALL this is just one artist reaching to another hoping to spark insight into the field you r in. I say this in the spirit of a hopeful healthy dialogue that maybe one day we can continue I've been on twitter a long time and this will probably be my last series of tweets pretty much but I'm Kool with it as long as I got to share this w u. Zzzzzzz's up! Peace! "

although I like my version better



[TEACHING PEOPLE HOW TO DUGGY] is a artistic and socio-political movement/culture that sprang from the disparate ghettos of NY in the early 70's Coming off the heels of the CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT and approaching the end of the Vietnam war it was a crossroads 4 America specially for blacks in the US our neighborhoods were PROLIFERATED w/a rush of HEROINE our school systems here in NY dungeon traps with light for learning blk men some of whom didn't return from tours of duty n the ones who did came w/war baggage (agent orange, addiction, ect..) these men had families but due to these events and throw into the mix the public emasculation...they proved to be handicapped parents. The surrogate parents? The STREETS the streets of gangs, crimes, and the hustlers coddled us and swept us up but! Being a spirited, rhythmic & expressive people music art dance outlined our existence it proved a way for us to exhault to scream to dance to laugh and find OUR VOICE we weren't at the time skilled musicians as kids. We had records, turntables, ideas and INGENUITY being natural chemist we took from whatever was availed to us and we created something mighty and special we cut breakbeats back n forth we took a hybrid of Jamaican toasting along w/ radio jock rap( hank Spann, Gary Byrd, ect.) and we put our rap down..it was a neighborhood thing really. Black and Latino Kids were carving out their space and it became infectious eventually Keith Cowboy coined the phrase [TEACHING PEOPLE HOW TO DUGGY] . Yrs later the first rap record was recorded and now we r moving but during these strides this country still had the monster of racism and racial insensitivity breathing and ruling believe it or not young black n Latino lives specifically weren't acknowledged in mainstream American culture unless Ofcourse..the convo was abt gangs , being criminals or uneducated. And hey! Like I stated early our families were rushed our schools sucked and we were left to put devices to survive but [TEACHING PEOPLE HOW TO DUGGY] showed that we had DEPTH, fire, and BRILLANCE the music was undeniable! It moved from NY N became national and even GLOBAL [TEACHING PEOPLE HOW TO DUGGY] now was FOR EVERYBODY!! All of those who cld relate to the roots, the spirit, the history, the energy.. It reached YOU it touched your spirit n took u up. We magnetized you! That's what BRILLANCE does now u are fulfilling your dreams ... BUT! you have to take into account the HISTORY as you move underneath the banner of [TEACHING PEOPLE HOW TO DUGGY]. As I said before [TEACHING PEOPLE HOW TO DUGGY] is fun it's vile it's dance it's traditional it's light hearted but 1 thing it can never detach itself from is being a SOCIO-Political movement. U may ask why ... Well once you are born black your existence I believe is joined with socio-political epitaph and philos based on the tangled and treacherous history SLAVERY alone this is the case it never leaves our conversation... Ever. WeAther in our universities our dinner tables our studios or jail cells he effects still resononates with us. It hurts... We get emotional and angry and melancholy did u know president Clinton was the ONLY PRESIDENT to apologize for it? did u know that remnants of slavery exist today thru white privilege? When certain "niceties" r extended your way because of how u look? Isn't that crazy? I say this 2 say u are a [TEACHING PEOPLE HOW TO DUGGY] artist who has the right 2 express herself however she wishes this is not a chastisement this is not admonishment at ALL this is just one artist reaching to another hoping to spark insight
into the field you r in. I say this in the spirit of a hopeful healthy dialogue that maybe one day we can continue I've been on twitter a long time and this will probably be my last series of tweets pretty much but I'm Kool with it as long as I got to share this w u. Zzzzzzz's up! Peace!




[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 2:54 PM. Reason : ]

1/1/2015 2:52:08 PM

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"since the industrial revolution."

You mean since the beginning of recorded history

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1/1/2015 3:00:33 PM

^^bruh...it's "dougie" not "duggy"

[Edited on January 1, 2015 at 3:10 PM. Reason : lolololol]

1/1/2015 3:10:05 PM

^

well this is embarrassing

Perhaps a tongue lashing from Oral-B, Bic, Listerine, or Q-Tip on the ol' twittersphere is in order since I do not know basic HipHop grammar.

Coming soon in Hip Hop Education: Fabolous and Ludacris teach children how to spell.

1/1/2015 3:15:11 PM