Discuss.

9/30/2014 2:34:18 PM

better than 9, i'll say that much

oh, and the start menu is back, so they've learned their lesson

[Edited on September 30, 2014 at 2:44 PM. Reason : .]

9/30/2014 2:43:15 PM

Site 4

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9/30/2014 2:50:12 PM

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/microsoft-skips-windows-emphasize-advances-25867619

9/30/2014 3:02:37 PM

Quote :

"Windows 10 will run on the broadest amount of devices. A tailored experience for each device,"

Well that's a step in the right direction.

9/30/2014 3:03:51 PM

just rename 8.1 9, numbering problem solved

as long as it's more like Windows 7 than 8, I'll be happy. having a start menu is a step in the right direction. I don't want touch screen crap on an actual computer.

9/30/2014 3:05:16 PM

Why 10? They missed an opportunity.

This one goes up to 11.

9/30/2014 3:15:36 PM

Quote :

"I don't want touch screen crap on an actual computer."

having a touchscreen for the laptops that lend themselves well to tablet mode (ie. detachable screen, 360° flip, or a tablet-esque laptop like the surface) is great

writing off* the desktop users was their biggest mistake










* or expecting them all to go out and buy touchscreen monitors in order to keep 8 from sucking huge donkey balls

[Edited on September 30, 2014 at 3:27 PM. Reason : *]

9/30/2014 3:26:25 PM

i touch the screen of my laptop all the time, its amazing how frequently its more convenient to reach up and tap or pinch zoom something than to move your hand to the trackpad and move the pointer or to reach over and grab a

9/30/2014 3:29:35 PM

agreed...i'm sure i'd touch my desktop screens if i could, as well

it's a moot point now that windows 8/8.1 is going the way of vista, gladly forgotten once microsoft pulled their collective head out of their collective ass

9/30/2014 3:36:59 PM

Good night...sweet prince

9/30/2014 3:57:28 PM

Damn I remember #winbeta #msbeta #win2000 on EfNet and installing every single beta build of Windows ME. The final product ran so much worse than the earlier builds.

9/30/2014 4:04:00 PM

Quote :

"agreed...i'm sure i'd touch my desktop screens if i could, as well"

For desktops... I'd hate to be cleaning off smudges all the time. I'd be happy if my monitor never got touched again, especially by coworkers.

9/30/2014 5:55:06 PM

I <3 WINX. Just uninstalled Start8.

9/30/2014 6:16:01 PM

And i just took the windows 8.1 training class... How am i going to work on a new version of windows....

Hopefully if anythign MS starts listening to their customers instead of tryign to ram shit down their throats... But who knows change takes time.

10/1/2014 8:51:20 AM

10/1/2014 5:58:10 PM

https://searchcode.com/?q=if%28version%2Cstartswith%28%22windows+9%22%29


Well I'll be damned.

10/1/2014 6:27:42 PM

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/preview-download?ocid=tp_site_downloadpage

Preview Version Out

10/1/2014 11:43:28 PM

^^^Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2hwlrk/new_windows_version_will_be_called_windows_10/ckwq83x


And wow...

Every. Single. One. of the developers who copy/pasted that version check should have their credentials revoked.

Let's go ahead and call them out:
message_topic.aspx?topic=610898&page=4#16132941

[Edited on October 2, 2014 at 1:40 PM. Reason : .]

10/2/2014 1:39:33 PM

its like a mashup between windows 7 & 8

definitely more user friendly for a desktop pc

10/2/2014 4:35:56 PM

i wonder if it'll be a free upgrade for windows 8 users...the rumor mill certainly suggests it will, but that doesn't mean anything

i don't think 8 was a bad OS, just one with stupid UI choices, so i'm not saying they "owe" it to anyone...but that would be pretty awesome

10/3/2014 9:37:12 AM

when you upgrade from windows 7 to windows 10 its done through windows update

like it puts an update on your list and then once you accept it goes to town, asks no questions, all software seems to work fine after upgrade

10/3/2014 11:19:36 AM

^ that's the just the preview, though, isn't it? i suppose i thought that they'd let you beta it for them for free, but then it would revert...or something

i don't know, i haven't looked into it

10/3/2014 1:18:35 PM

^

I'm honestly of the opinion that MS is trying (or should be trying) to phase in of a subscription/mini upgrade model similar to OSX.

Instead of buying windows 7, and then hanging with that until you buy your next computer in 4-5 years, they will incrementally add functionality I.E Windows 7.1 7.2 and charge you small fees ($20-$50) for upgrading to the next "revision"

I think this would also allow "In App Purchases" where the OS could have features enabled at a small cost. I.E. if i am running Windows 10, and I want to add in Media Center integration I can buy the feature for $20. If I want bitlocker i can add it for $10. If I want to add in a working start menu they can charge me $5 dollars.

If they start doing this in windows 10, they can ensure a more stable flow if income from the consumer market, and also lock business into a better upgrade model.

It will however require them not to try to redesign the OS every 3-5 years, or pretend that corporate customers are all 21 and want their user experience to mirror the Xbox ONE. I think a break from that cycle will be positive in general. (don't even get me started on the tile interface on server 2012, what crack head though that was a good idea?)

Finally, I think with many of their products, at least over the previous cycle, Microsoft demonstrated that they adopted a stance of NOT listening to consumers, or at least listening to the wrong consumers. I do think that they are trying to get back in line, but they have and are going to continue to backtrack on very poor design decisions across an array of products, or they will continue to loose market share.

Microsoft tried to use its market share to force the user to buy into their vision. While this may work with a smaller vendor, it didn't play to their main strength, Microsoft's main advantage over the history of the company that they made their products to enable you to execute your own vision, they worked with everyone.

Vendors who force you into a locked ecosystem imho will eventually loose market share over time, because they can't easily compete with a vendor that opens the door especially at a lower price point. Even large customers will adopt products that are cheaper to operate, and integrate.

10/3/2014 7:15:50 PM

loose = adjective
lose = verb

10/4/2014 10:53:57 AM

7 (ate) 9

10/5/2014 8:48:28 AM

Quote :

"^ that's the just the preview, though, isn't it? i suppose i thought that they'd let you beta it for them for free, but then it would revert...or something i don't know, i haven't looked into it"

They have plenty of nagware embedded to remind you its the trial version. There is text in the corner of the desktop. Also, last time they had the preview of windows 8 once they abandoned the trial version program it had constant popups reminding you the trial was over and support (updates) had ended. I have never heard of them just stopping your computer from booting up but they can and will make it pure hell to use and unsupported version. Most people want their computer to run smoothly and want security updates.

With Windows 8 you could buy an upgrade for $15 for a limited time upon release, which was available to everyone who had the link. They sent that out in email to everyone who had downloaded the "test" copy. So while you do need to pay for an upgrade at the end of the trial, you can get it stupid cheap.

Also. It says "do not install this version your primary business or personal computer".

10/5/2014 2:12:00 PM

aaronburro

Quote :

"loose = adjective lose = verb "

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/loose

Quote :

"verb (used with object), loosed, loosing. 20. to let loose; free from bonds or restraint. 21. to release, as from constraint, obligation, or penalty. 22. Chiefly Nautical. to set free from fastening or attachment: to loose a boat from its moorings. 23. to unfasten, undo, or untie, as a bond, fetter, or knot. 24. to shoot; discharge; let fly: to loose missiles at the invaders. 25. to make less tight; slacken or relax. 26. to render less firmly fixed; lessen an attachment; loosen. verb (used without object), loosed, loosing. 27. to let go a hold. 28. to hoist anchor; get under way. 29. to shoot or let fly an arrow, bullet, etc. (often followed by off): to loose off at a flock of ducks. 30. Obsolete. to become loose; loosen."

Also relevant:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pedantry

10/6/2014 4:35:56 PM

I prefer Wordnik; it draws from the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language (4th Edition), Wiktionary, WordNet 3.0, GNU Collaborative International Dictionary of English, Century Dictionary (from about 1900), and a wide variety of quotations showing the word in context: https://www.wordnik.com/words/loose

This is also a nice multi-dictionary search: http://www.onelook.com/cgi-bin/cgiwrap/bware/dofind.cgi?word=lose

10/7/2014 5:15:04 AM

I dig 10 so far. I put it on a somewhat older Dell laptop. I had Windows 7 Enterprise on it previously. 10 put on every single driver with no issues, including my fingerprint scanner. 7 wasn't even able to pull that off and I couldn't even find a driver for the fingerprint scanner. IE seems more secure, the antivirus is built in (I read that was the case in 8 as well but it's new for me). Seems clean, relatively fast and stable, even for a dev build. I'm looking forward (so far) to the final release.

10/7/2014 10:38:02 AM

The capabilities of Microsoft Security Essentials have become part of Windows Defender since Windows 8 (and Windows Defender itself has come with Windows since Vista and been available since XP).

[Edited on October 8, 2014 at 11:57 AM. Reason : Also Windows Defender has been integrated with IE since at least Vista.

10/8/2014 11:53:40 AM

@disco_stu

the quote in contect was:
"loose market share" and was implying a "loss" of market share, so the correct term would be "lose"

you can't "loosen" market share. it's not an object or "material thing that can be seen and touched", just like market share can't be "tightened" or "taken hold of" so it can't be something that you let go.

[Edited on October 8, 2014 at 2:11 PM. Reason : .]

10/8/2014 2:08:07 PM

just loose your mind and do the needful

10/9/2014 7:04:21 PM

iop1

10/9/2014 7:22:26 PM

Windows seems to have taken a page from both Firefox and Chrome: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/10/windows-10s-very-different-way-of-updating/

10/11/2014 2:06:46 PM

^ called it

Quote :

"I'm honestly of the opinion that MS is trying (or should be trying) to phase in of a subscription/mini upgrade model similar to OSX. Instead of buying windows 7, and then hanging with that until you buy your next computer in 4-5 years, they will incrementally add functionality I.E Windows 7.1 7.2 and charge you small fees ($20-$50) for upgrading to the next "revision""

Quote :

"t will however require them not to try to redesign the OS every 3-5 years, or pretend that corporate customers are all 21 and want their user experience to mirror the Xbox ONE. I think a break from that cycle will be positive in general. (don't even get me started on the tile interface on server 2012, what crack head though that was a good idea?) "

10/11/2014 7:19:28 PM

http://www.pcgamer.com/windows-10-upgrade-free-for-owners-of-windows-7-and-81/

Quote :

"Owners of Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows Phone 8.1 will be eligible for a free upgrade to Microsoft's upcoming OS. The free upgrade will be available throughout the first year of Windows 10's life."

1/21/2015 7:25:13 PM

The holo stuff looks pretty cool, hope it's not vaporware.

Maybe Satya isn't so bad after all.

1/21/2015 9:44:25 PM

^^ Was probably going to upgrade from 7 to 10

But I was a dummy, and didn't make extra copies of my Win 7 activation key and fucking bootcamp deleted the file I had it in

2/20/2015 12:55:39 PM

is the technical preview stable enough to put on my home laptop or should i not mess with it?

2/20/2015 1:01:21 PM

^I'd install it in a VM if you're just looking to mess around

2/20/2015 2:06:10 PM

^^ I put it on my laptop at home and haven't had any issues with it. YMMV.

2/20/2015 2:16:44 PM

I put it on a spare laptop, no issues with install, only had to load one driver manually, this was a 2010 laptop too.

It performed well and the start button was back.

2/28/2015 7:11:21 PM

jaZon, a little friend named Daz has figured out how to get Windows 7 activated again

Anyway, I tried installing the tech preview on a 2007-era laptop I was refurbishing (first by putting Windows 7 on it, then taking the update), and it ran better, but the audio wasn't working so well; chances are there was some old driver I could have downloaded and installed and it still would have worked, much like the old Win7-era driver for the NVIDIA graphics that still worked in Win10.

[Edited on March 3, 2015 at 8:07 PM. Reason : Everybody should get on the Windows 10 train this fall.

3/3/2015 8:05:09 PM

Interesting article:
Microsoft tackles China piracy with free upgrade to Windows 10
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/18/us-microsoft-china-idUSKBN0ME06A20150318

Quote :

"offering free upgrades to Windows 10 to all Windows users, regardless of whether they are running genuine copies of the software. "

[Edited on March 19, 2015 at 11:52 AM. Reason : .]

3/19/2015 11:51:30 AM

Apparently if you take the upgrade on a "non-geniune" Win7 or Win8.1 installation, Windows 10 will still say it's not genuine.

Also, OEMs will no longer be required to allow consumers to disable Secure Boot, so first thing you should ask when buying a new Windows 10 PC is whether Secure Boot can be disabled: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/03/windows-10-to-make-the-secure-boot-alt-os-lock-out-a-reality/

3/21/2015 9:24:23 AM

^That is a question that 99.999999% of people should never ask and never do.

3/24/2015 10:46:10 PM

So like 1 out of 100,000,000

Imma need to see that data.

3/24/2015 11:12:54 PM

^^obvi. you hate Linux then

3/25/2015 8:37:11 AM

He does work for M$

3/25/2015 9:13:11 AM