I'm considering a new set of wheels for the car. This would be set #2 for the car.
I currently run 20x9 et30 and 255/35/20 tires.

I was thinking more performance oriented, and not losing traction. Potential autoX type setup.

Looking at 19x9.5" et40.
That is 9mm less than stock on the inside, and just under flush with the fender.
Tires would be 275/35/19.

Another option could be 20" and 275/30. Wheel size minimum is 19" to fit over the brakes.

I'm fairly confident that it will fit with no problems. The only rub might be at full lock. I am lowered in Eibachs currently, but may switch to coils next year.

I know I'm adding a lot of tire weight. Am I better suited staying narrower with the wheel and tire package to save some weight?

Thoughts and opinions?

7/24/2014 10:32:48 PM

Well.. depends on what you are trying to achieve. Is this for Allseason/Snow tires? Low Rolling Resitant tires for improved mpgs? Bling? :p

7/24/2014 11:23:07 PM

Minimum 19” to fit over what brakes, space shuttle? 20” wheels with gigantic brakes will cost you quite a bit in performance. You’d have to be looking at a 3500+lbs car with over 500hp before that much mass/size would be necessary in the brake department.

7/24/2014 11:45:55 PM

So to be clear, yes, you’d have to be crazy.

7/24/2014 11:46:22 PM

the maxima is probably at least 3500 pounts, no?

7/25/2014 1:34:49 AM

The brakes are 14" all the way around.
Same as what come on the G37S or 370Z sport package.
2 piece front rotors, 4 piston calipers.

3609 lbs of car.

What I'm trying to figure out is if the extra weight is worth the increased traction going that wide.
Most of the wheels I'm looking at are 2lbs heavier than the stock 18"s.

[Edited on July 25, 2014 at 6:38 AM. Reason : .]

7/25/2014 6:36:33 AM

Yeah I'm of the mind that you're crazy. All the unsprung weight you've already added (plus whatever you might add) does nothing good for the handling performance of your car. And unless you take your car to an HPDE you will never come anywhere close to needing all that braking power*



*unless the Maxima's brake area airflow is just as shitty as a 370Z's.

7/25/2014 8:54:31 AM

The factory fronts are 12.7".
Going to 14" two piece only adds about 2 lbs.

The brakes on the maxima are about gone. All 4 are warped, and I"m at <3mm on the pads.
To upgrade all the way around is$800-$1k over just keeping the factory stuff, for a significant improvement.

The wheels are the same weight as factory and the tires are a couple lbs more. I know that rotational mass will hurt it some, but big wheels are going to happen.

My debate is sticking with 255 on a 8.5" or going to 275 on a 9.5"

After the first maxima, the work done to the VW, buying a Juke........ we all know I'm crazy

[Edited on July 25, 2014 at 9:33 AM. Reason : .]

7/25/2014 9:28:01 AM

Quote :

"To upgrade all the way around is$800-$1k over just keeping the factory stuff, for a significant improvement."

Significant improvement of what? Putting larger brakes on a car doesn't magically reduce stopping distance.

My vote is to stay at 255. Besides what has already been mentioned, 275s will further reduce whatever small amount of steering feel you currently have.

7/25/2014 9:47:07 AM

I break traction regularly, which is why i'm looking at wider tires. This is on acceleration and cornering.

With the 255s and current brakes, the car will lock up the tires and activate ABS if I really stomp on the brakes. From the reading I have done, there is significant improvement in pedal feel, and less brake fade. I'm hoping it will get rid of the warping problem that seems to be present on these cars/factory brakes.

The brake upgrade is a want, not a need. I could theoretically stick with factory size cryo treated rotors, more aggressive pads, and do a 18x9.5 and a 275/40 for width.


Funny enough, I ran 255/4/17 on the first maxima, 10 years ago. This car has double the hp, and 1200 more pounds.


[Edited on July 25, 2014 at 10:29 AM. Reason : .]

7/25/2014 10:27:35 AM

doesn't that car have a CVT transmission?

7/25/2014 10:54:00 AM

yes

7/25/2014 11:01:15 AM

autocrossing a CVT?

7/25/2014 11:02:04 AM

why not....its selling point is that it is always in its power band.
And I can see if I can get it to overheat and go into limp

I'm a spirited driver, pushing on/off ramps, etc.
I want to pretend this car is 1klbs lighter and has a couple extra (hundred) HP.

7/25/2014 11:38:57 AM

7/25/2014 11:42:05 AM

oh lord

garage folk swoop in for the kill-

7/25/2014 11:44:30 AM

Screw it, I'll explain why not....

Even if you put 315s on your car, even the factory brakes should still be able to lock them. Increasing tire SIZE doesn't magically increase grip. Increasing rotating/unsprung mass is bad. You would not overheat your brakes in an auto-x (or on the street) even if the car weighed 4500lbs. For giant brakes to get up to a decent operating temperature, you'd also need power, a lot of it.

As for the the brakes that need a 19 inch rim only adding 2lbs per corner, is that after the calipers, caliper brackets AND the rotors. Also, since you bring up how it made sense from a cost perspective, are replacement rotors as cheap as stock? Pads?

If you want a performance car, or to auto-x something, a CVT maxima with 20" rims, giant tires and brakes doesn't seem like a good fit.

7/25/2014 11:51:40 AM

take the money you were going to use for tires/wheels/brakes and buy a beater miata or something to start wrenching on for autocross

7/25/2014 12:00:28 PM

One car only right now.

Lets ignore polishing turds for the time being. Even ignore it is a maxima. Say it is an Audi A7...... Lets even only talk about 18"s.

Benefits vs negatives of added wieght vs better brakes.
Benefits vs negatives of added weight vs wider wheels and tires

The brakes are roughly 5-8lbs per corner heavier if I go with the BBK. 14" compared to 12.7". 4 piston front/ 2 piston rear.

The wheels i'm looking at go between 8.5, 9, and 9.5" with 255-275 tire widths.
I know the 275 will have more grip than the 255, but I add an inch of metal and rubber, or 2-4 lbs per corner.

[Edited on July 25, 2014 at 1:13 PM. Reason : .]

7/25/2014 12:59:18 PM

stop pissing money away on your appliance car

7/25/2014 2:33:55 PM

nah. Don't have time to shoot as much as I would like, and need to keep entertained some how.
Besides, it is fun.
I won't drop 30k like I did on the VW though.

7/25/2014 2:48:23 PM

Can you not sell it and buy a more entertaining and sporting sedan?

If I were you I would focus on improving the handling of your car through reducing unsprung, and especially rotational, mass. A brake upgrade is totally pointless unless you're doing it just for looks. Waste of money. Given your car's weight and power output the tire footprint is already fine.

7/25/2014 3:54:22 PM

I'm slightly upside down on the loan value, because of the miles I put on the car. I could add the cash and be out of it, but it isn't worth it. I really like the car, just want to make it better.

I've already upgraded the rear sway bar, which made a huge improvement.
Lowering the car helped a lot, but it still is a small boat.

The stock wheels are 22lbs each. I'm looking at 20-23lbs for the replacements, even at 19x9.5. The narrower or smaller wheels are lighter.

7/25/2014 4:21:39 PM

this is all about looks and has nothing to do with performance. your mind is made up, stop trying to get people here to agree with you to justify the decision you have already made.

7/25/2014 5:18:00 PM

Quote :

"stop pissing money away on your appliance car"

I hope you get cured of your disease soon. I too was once afflicted, not so badly though. So many people can't be wrong.

[Edited on July 25, 2014 at 5:37 PM. Reason : .]

7/25/2014 5:36:25 PM

hey guys, should I get Brembo or Wilwood brakes for my Avalon? Any J-spec bolt-ons? I want to autocross and drift it, what tires should I buy?

7/25/2014 5:46:04 PM

upside down on car loan

wants opinions on how to sink more money in it

7/25/2014 6:19:03 PM

If that we're the case, I would just post pictures instead of asking for opinions and other info.

^driving 40k miles a year will do that to any vehicle. Why bother paying off a low interest loan when I don't need to.

[Edited on July 25, 2014 at 6:27 PM. Reason : .]

7/25/2014 6:25:53 PM

why piss money away upgrading a daily driver that sees 40k miles/yr when you don't have to?

7/25/2014 6:34:10 PM

Someday he will lose his Maxima glasses and see clearly..

7/25/2014 7:01:23 PM

Man. You guys sure are some haters. This is his hobby. If this is how he chooses to spend his money, then let it be so. He's not asking for financial advice here folks...

7/25/2014 7:22:41 PM

opinions were requested

opinions were given

now we're a bunch of haters

lolololololol

7/25/2014 9:42:32 PM

I’m not sure what “a hater” is, but I’m trying to help. In fact, I consider my input to be very valuable. This isn’t just my opinion, I’ve been paid good money for car set up/advice and direction. In fact, it could save him thousands of dollars and I hope it does.

Here’s something I learned early on; If you can get a platform that closely matches the intended use, it makes a lot of financial sense to start with that platform. The fact that in the case of a car, used (and heavily depreciated) examples being common place is a huge advantage.

7/25/2014 10:47:32 PM

I wasn't pickin on you ahmet

7/25/2014 11:07:47 PM

Pay off the car before spending another dime on aftermarket parts. The low interest rate excuse is poor. 0.02$

7/26/2014 8:19:34 AM

why in the fuck would you put wheels and tires that wide on the front of a fucking maxima

7/29/2014 5:20:21 PM

Quote :

"I break traction regularly, which is why i'm looking at wider tires. This is on acceleration and cornering."

7/29/2014 5:30:15 PM

hahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahah ok



if you're breaking traction on acceleration you should look at replacing bushings


but it's a maxima

[Edited on July 29, 2014 at 5:36 PM. Reason : .]

7/29/2014 5:34:53 PM

^actually it is quite easy to break traction on maximas. engine is torqey and FWD setup just makes it easier with all the torque steer.



...as others have said, put it back to stock, sell it and buy a fun, RWD sedan. pre '04 maximas were actually fun and somewhat good looking cars. it all went downhill with elimination of manual tranny, lack of HLSD and god ugly hugeness of this car.

7/30/2014 3:53:33 PM

two kids in a 90's 4DSS did a ricer fly by on me the other day

7/30/2014 3:55:45 PM

Quote :

"^actually it is quite easy to break traction on maximas. engine is torqey and FWD setup just makes it easier with all the torque steer. "

Actually, it's easy to break traction in any FWD with a modern engine displacing over 3 liters. Because, wrong wheel drive.

7/30/2014 4:53:20 PM

you guys are just jealous that you can't put cafeteria trays under your rear tires

7/30/2014 6:12:53 PM

oh fuck I didnt even realize it was FWD



take the thing out back and shoot it

7/30/2014 8:38:05 PM

^^Oh I can still do that with the Integra

7/31/2014 8:10:25 AM