For the title, I mean when getting a ticket, won't increase my insurance?
Somebody says 9. I want to make sure.
I'm going to the court tomorrow.

6/19/2012 5:10:46 PM

9 over is nothing. You'll just pay a smaller fine + court costs

I think that's what you're asking.

[Edited on June 19, 2012 at 5:13 PM. Reason : .]

6/19/2012 5:13:31 PM

As long as you don't have a conviction for a moving violation in the last two (2) years and its 9 or under.

6/19/2012 5:18:21 PM

Good luck in the court, shoot

6/19/2012 5:34:01 PM

my brain got dizzy trying to make sense of what the hell you were saying in the title/OP

i mean, i got it, but more like one "gets" a magic-eye poster than a coherent flow of ideas


anyway, definitely 9 over. Even if it was a bit more and you don't have a ridiculous speeding history the ADA will likely drop it to 9-over. small fine, court costs, done and done.

6/19/2012 6:19:18 PM

Yeah, I should find a way to express clearly.
I hope I won't meet the cop who caught me, then I can leave without giving a penny.

[Edited on June 19, 2012 at 7:07 PM. Reason : add another note]

[Edited on June 19, 2012 at 7:08 PM. Reason : add another note]

6/19/2012 7:02:50 PM

^ You'll still have to pay court fees even if the DA reduces the charge. Won't matter if the cop is there.

6/19/2012 10:04:27 PM

I would still try to get it dismissed using an attorney. I will hit you if you get another one in 3 years.

6/19/2012 10:07:48 PM

You mean using an attorney is the safest way?

6/19/2012 10:11:49 PM

An Attorney is your best bet at making sure you are represented in the best possible way. This doesn't mean that they can make the ticket go away necessarily, but they know the system and are always the best way to ensure a speeding ticket is handled appropriately.


However, if your court is tomorrow, it's way too late for an attorney. Good luck!

6/19/2012 10:53:02 PM

Maybe. Might can get it continued, and then hire an attorney.

It's really also not about "knowing the system" so much as hiring a professional pain in the ass, who will do it for you on the cheap since he's gonna be at court that day, anyway.

The reality is that the state/town/etc are just out to score as much money as they can, and to an extent, it's a volume game. If you make it difficult enough for them, they're more inclined to accept a lower prize and move on to the next case, rather than working hard and clogging up the system (which comes with a cost) to score a few more bucks. There is one set of rules for people represented by lawyers, and another set of rules for those who go it alone (and then what they really hope for is people who just mail in full payment and never go to court).

6/19/2012 11:01:50 PM

Came back. Reduced to 5 over from 9 over. 200 bucks including the parking fee.
Cops are crazy. Everybody on the highway drives at least 10 over. Why me?

6/20/2012 10:07:31 AM

It's all a game. Sucks, but speeding is speeding.

6/20/2012 10:17:31 AM

I would have gotten it continued and gotten an attorney, but I am not sure what attorneys are working the magic down there since James Crouch got in trouble.

It will not effect anything as long as you do not get another one within 3 years I believable. If that happens I think it will hit your insurance, but by then it will be almost 3 years old hopefully.

6/20/2012 10:18:46 AM

the three year clock for how long the combined tickets can affect your premium restarts at the most recent ticket... my brother and I got tickets 2 years and 9 mo apart and our family premium went up 800/yr for 3 years as soon as he got his (the second).

6/20/2012 10:31:16 AM

Have you called a lawyer?

6/20/2012 10:34:33 AM

the dates all go by conviction date

I had a long/heated discussion about this with my insurance agent back when I was younger and liked to argue about everything. He went through my whole driving report on the telephone and had all the dates and what the conviction was.

The cool thing is the insurance company back then (could be the case now) only pulled those reports occasionally, the rate increase was not retroactive so I got a good six months without paying the higher rate after the conviction date.

6/20/2012 10:38:39 AM

That's good.

6/20/2012 10:51:30 AM

You did good shoot! You'll be fine. Now just get a lawyer next time since you'll have this "5 over" ticket on your record. THough hopefully there wont be a next time.


And remember, they don't care about your safety. They just want your money. It's all a scam.

6/20/2012 11:25:35 AM

I understand. There are so many people going to the court today.
BTW: Your car is cool.

6/20/2012 11:47:13 AM

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"Cops are crazy. Everybody on the highway drives at least 10 over. Why me?"

Are you sure he didn't already knock it down when he gave you the ticket? IIRC, defaulting to 9 over means that you are somewhat in the clear with your insurance which means you are less likely to need a lawyer (good for you in terms of cost) and the court will be more likely to get $ instead of the ticket being potentially dropped (good for them).

Maybe I'm oversimplifying this, but both sides seem to come out ahead with no lawyers getting paid (this time).

6/20/2012 12:19:19 PM

i always thought 5 and over would tweak your insurance premiums...don't have any reason for believing that, though

6/20/2012 12:48:41 PM

I've always heard 9

6/20/2012 1:15:31 PM

i, too, have always heard 9.

6/20/2012 1:32:20 PM

Every speeding ticket can get you insurance points. Being convicted for even 1mph over can get you 1 or 2 points depending on the speed limit. Under certain circumstances (not a school zone, no other moving violations in the 3 year experience period) the point(s) will not count, which is the rule for less than 10 over.

(see the 2nd page)
http://www.ncdoi.com/_Publications/It%20Pays%20to%20Be%20a%20Safe%20Driver%20Insurance%20Points_CAU1.pdf

6/20/2012 1:33:09 PM

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"Came back. Reduced to 5 over from 9 over. 200 bucks including the parking fee. Cops are crazy. Everybody on the highway drives at least 10 over. Why me?"

Weren't you caught speeding on Buck Jones Road? That's not the same as going 9 over on the highway

6/20/2012 1:36:28 PM

I'm now aware of it. It's totally different situation.

6/20/2012 1:46:55 PM

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"the three year clock for how long the combined tickets can affect your premium restarts at the most recent ticket.."

[NO]. Insurance points associated with each ticket are chargeable for 3 years. Less than 3 insurance points (total) are not chargeable at all. A 9-over ticket is 2 insurance points.

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"The cool thing is the insurance company back then (could be the case now) only pulled those reports occasionally, the rate increase was not retroactive so I got a good six months without paying the higher rate after the conviction date."

That's all true, but only half of the story. They pull your record typically every 6 months when your policy is renewed. Just like you said, you got 6 months of time not being charged for it on the front end, but I'm almost certain that you ended up paying for it on the back end. In other words, you still end up paying for it for 3 years; you just delayed the start of that period by a few months. I am not 100% on that, but I'm 90-something % sure of that.

6/20/2012 9:22:06 PM

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"And remember, they don't care about your safety. They just want your money. It's all a scam."

A scam thwarted by leaving the house 3 minutes earlier. Dastardly!

6/21/2012 9:14:03 AM

My last ticket no one bothered to pull my record. When the judge asked if I had anything in the past two years I said No. Paid reduced court costs about half was the ticket said on 9 over and left. Turns out the answer was Yes, no repercussions so far.

I'd still get a lawyer. A lawyer can sometimes get the charge dismissed. While going in yourself is cheaper, the charge will never get dismissed.

6/21/2012 9:37:52 AM

Yep, different rules depending on if you have a lawyer.

^^ I don't speed because I'm late; I speed because driving slow sucks.

6/21/2012 9:38:28 PM

Yeah. Fuck other people. I'm sure they appreciate having you come out no where darting around them, giving them the false impression that you're going to possibly hit them, making them panic and possibly cause an accident.

6/21/2012 9:54:49 PM

^fuck you. If you're on a sparsely populated interstate some of us actually are capable of driving considerably faster than the speed limit in a perfectly safe manner that impacts nobody. Then again maybe you're a big fan of victimless crimes, in which case this is falling on deaf ears.

6/21/2012 10:01:53 PM

^ Sparse doesn't mean vacant, shithead.

If you want to speed on a vacant highway or road at 3 AM, go ahead. But to think it's "victimless" is outright egotistical if you're on anything but a vacant road. I don't care if you think you're BMW makes you Michael Schumacher. You're not. You're just as susceptible to losing control of your car at higher speeds as any of us "plebs." You're no different than the 16 year old HS students whose parents bought them a BMW for them to go 80 MPH on a country road, only to lose control on a hairpin turn, cross the centerline, and take out the on coming traffic, in terms of mental maturity behind the wheel of a car.

But hey, it's victimless, and you're justification for being an asshole is that you've got "good" car control.

6/21/2012 10:13:20 PM

You did well shoot! That's a pretty good price. I had to pay probably over $300 to get my ticket reduced to 9 over...but mine was like 12 over or something

Now just don't get caught again

6/21/2012 11:21:39 PM

^^actually it's not the same. Your ignorance leads you to believe that there aren't several us in this thread alone that attend high performance driving training when we have the time/money.

And going 80 mph on a 2 lane road with limited visibility is apples and oranges compared to 100 mph on an interstate highway with 1 mile visibility in front of you. Nice try though, douche.

[Edited on June 22, 2012 at 8:18 AM. Reason : decent troll]

6/22/2012 8:16:35 AM

haha, this is funny

6/22/2012 8:31:37 AM

I've been dragged off topic. I apologize

6/22/2012 10:34:26 AM

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"I'm sure they appreciate having you come out no where darting around them, giving them the false impression that you're going to possibly hit them, making them panic and possibly cause an accident."

this is not the same as speeding. speeding is going faster than the posted limit. what you described is aggressive driving.

6/22/2012 10:44:14 AM

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"some of us actually are capable of driving considerably faster than the speed limit in a perfectly safe manner that impacts nobody"

Oh, you're an above average driver, like everyone else.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illusory_superiority#Driving_ability
"Svenson (1981) surveyed 161 students in Sweden and the United States, asking them to compare their driving safety and skill to the other people in the experiment. For driving skill, 93% of the US sample and 69% of the Swedish sample put themselves in the top 50% (above the median). For safety, 88% of the US group and 77% of the Swedish sample put themselves in the top 50%."

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" Your ignorance leads you to believe that there aren't several us in this thread alone that attend high performance driving training when we have the time/money."

It doesn't matter how good of a driver you are, driving faster increases your chance of getting in an accident, which absolutely impacts other people. You could be Mario Andretti or Jason Bourne, going faster increases your chance of getting in a wreck.

6/22/2012 11:00:29 AM

You're right. The speed limit should be 25 everywhere. Actually, scratch that, they should make vehicles illegal. That will certainly decrease the chance of anyone getting into a wreck.

[Edited on June 22, 2012 at 11:50 AM. Reason : ]

6/22/2012 11:25:38 AM

so this is gonna be one of those threads, huh?

6/22/2012 11:27:45 AM

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"^^actually it's not the same. Your ignorance leads you to believe that there aren't several us in this thread alone that attend high performance driving training when we have the time/money."

Lol. Ignorance? Just because some driving school cashes your pay check and you have expendable income that allows you to buy cars to play in does not elevate you to God status and make you invisible to human error that will inevitable damn us all multiple times in our life.

Your head in the sand tactic of ignoring your own flaws as a human makes you the ignorant one. The fact that you think you're better than everyone else behind the wheel of a car stoops you down to the same maturity as the 16 year old douchebag high school students who drive their little ricer Civics like they're god damn Jenson Button. Never mind that their inexperience and the lack of maturity that you also exhibit makes them far more susceptible to being in a car accident than most other drivers who don't drive like faggots (ie, you).

Oh, but then again statistics don't apply to you because you attended some rinky dink SCCA racing school at VIR that enables other douche bags like yourself to compete against each other during amateur hour. After all, according to you, money makes you a better driver than the rest of us "pleb."

But go ahead, come back correcting me that you didn't attend the driving school at VIR and that your car is a better car than mine with a diatribe of utter stupidity that is strung together in an attempt to justify your egotistical attitude, that instead of justifying it, you only end up furthering my point that you haven't evolved past a 16 year old in driving maturity. Then conclude with a summary that basically boils down to you believing you are a much more evolved driver than the rest of us because you drive a sports car that far outpaces your own driving capabilities and you blew some money attending a school to get a piece of paper that says you don't suck too badly at driving, that in all honest, anyone with the money and will could get.

I hope you drive your car into a ditch, you talentless hack. Just don't come here and tell us about it over some made up story about how some asshole swerved and you made an epic maneuver that sacrificed your rims for his life. Because you will be called for being the faggot that you are.

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"^^actually it's not the same. Your ignorance leads you to believe that there aren't several us in this thread alone that attend high performance driving training when we have the time/money."

Speeding on public roads is generally classified as aggressive driving. If you're going 100 mph on a highway and you're blowing past people on the highway.

Also people who happen to douchebaggedly speed tend to also tailgate people going the speed limit, which they will explain as being alright because their racing school license provides them with more than douche bag status! They have super human reflexes that allows them to avoid all danger.

6/22/2012 12:50:09 PM

another retarded wall of text from merbig that almost certainly nobody will read.

6/22/2012 1:01:35 PM

yeah thats taking tl;dr to a whole new level, especially in a troll discussion

6/22/2012 2:11:07 PM

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"Speeding on public roads is generally classified as aggressive driving. If you're going 100 mph on a highway and you're blowing past people on the highway."

assuming this was directed at my comments. while speeding can be classified as aggressive driving, and those things you listed such as tailgating & cutting in & out of traffic are also aggressive driving, it does not mean that tailgating & cutting in/out of traffic are speeding. bc they aren't. you can do those things slowly too. just come to RM at lunch time & drive down sunset avenue.

6/22/2012 2:57:55 PM

^^^ Don't worry. I don't actually expect intellectually stunted individuals, such as yourself, to read anything more than 4 sentences and contains multiple words that consist of more than 6 characters. Just like how I don't expect you to figure out how to post pictures that work.

6/22/2012 5:59:59 PM

^^ yeah, all squares are rectangles; not all rectangles are squares.

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"After all, according to you, money makes you a better driver than the rest of us "pleb.""

Another stunning logic fail.

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" and that your car is a better car than mine with a diatribe of utter stupidity that is "

My car is better than yours.

(at least in terms of acceleration, cornering, and braking capability, which is the point of this discussion)

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"Also people who happen to douchebaggedly speed tend to also tailgate people going the speed limit"

I don't, unless they're going the speed limit in the passing lane and not in the process of passing slower traffic. That's the only time I tailgate anyone...and even then, it's not because they're going the speed limit--I'll do it if they're speeding less than I want to. I don't give a fuck if your speed is being measured in Mach--if you aren't passing someone, get out of the fucking passing lane.

Well, OK, I'll also tailgate people who pull out in front of me to the point that I have to significantly apply the brakes.

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"Then conclude with a summary that basically boils down to you believing you are a much more evolved driver than the rest of us because you drive a sports car that far outpaces your own driving capabilities and you blew some money attending a school to get a piece of paper that says you don't suck too badly at driving, that in all honest, anyone with the money and will could get. I hope you drive your car into a ditch, you talentless hack. "

Let me offer the following caveats:

-Nobody is claiming to be invincible.

-Nobody is claiming to support driving to the ragged edge of the performance (either driver or car) envelope on a public road, and I would argue that those who have spent time on racetracks know that better than anyone. (i.e., we are not inclined to end up in any ditches).

-Neither he nor I (nor anyone else in this thread, to my knowledge) have a competition licence. I'm not aware of any "pieces of paper". You don't get a certificate or any shit like that at any of the driving schools we've been to. What you do get is way the fuck better at driving.


Now, understand the absurdity of what you are arguing:

You are trying to make the argument that people in vehicles with spectacularly superior braking and handling capabilities, that tend to be maintained to a significantly better than average level of repair, who have given considerable attention and study to developing their vehicle control capabilities, and have spent a considerable amount of time actually practicing their reactions and inputs regarding vehicle control at the edges of the performance envelope, and exploring how their vehicle behaves at the limits, are somehow not only not better--or "more evolved" as drivers than, let's say, average--but beyond that, not capable of safely exceeding speeds that were largely generated with respect to pretty close to our roadways' lowest common denominators in the more pedestrian vehicle offerings of several decades ago?

Umm...

OK.

6/22/2012 7:26:26 PM

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"intellectually stunted individuals"

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"Lol. Ignorance? Just because some driving school cashes your pay check and you have expendable income that allows you to buy cars to play in does not elevate you to God status and make you invisible to human error that will inevitable damn us all multiple times in our life. "

no, no. We don't ignore your posts because we're retarded, we ignore them because they look like something an 8th grade ESL student would write.

6/22/2012 7:44:47 PM

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"Another stunning logic fail. "

Admittedly I was taking what I was saying to a level of absurdity to match his conceit.

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"My car is better than yours. (at least in terms of acceleration, cornering, and braking capability, which is the point of this discussion)"

Not an argument. I'm sure your BMW or whatever the fuck you drive is better than my Kia Forte Koup.

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"I don't, unless they're going the speed limit in the passing lane and not in the process of passing slower traffic. That's the only time I tailgate anyone...and even then, it's not because they're going the speed limit--I'll do it if they're speeding less than I want to. I don't give a fuck if your speed is being measured in Mach--if you aren't passing someone, get out of the fucking passing lane."

I see you're speaking of on the highway. I guess you never frequent 2 lane (1 lane in each direction) roads. People like you who have the propensity to speed like dicks also have the propensity to drive like them too. Though I know you'll deny it.

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"-Nobody is claiming to be invincible."

With comments like this:

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"If you're on a sparsely populated interstate some of us actually are capable of driving considerably faster than the speed limit in a perfectly safe manner that impacts nobody. Then again maybe you're a big fan of victimless crimes, in which case this is falling on deaf ears."

and:

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"we are not inclined to end up in any ditches"

Makes it hard to believe that you don't feel invincible, as your driving tendencies and general attitude towards speeding and your attitude towards the safety of the general public strongly suggests otherwise. Of course you're not outright saying "you're invincible." But neither does the 16 year old who hops in their gifted BMW and speeds it into a tree because they got in over their head.

Additionally, no matter how good you are at driving, it only take ONE mistake to end up dead. People with not only better cars but who are also far more capable at driving than anyone on this board have ended up dead in a split second lack of judgement.

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"Neither he nor I (nor anyone else in this thread, to my knowledge) have a competition licence. I'm not aware of any "pieces of paper". You don't get a certificate or any shit like that at any of the driving schools we've been to. What you do get is way the fuck better at driving."

Um... I dare say that the "driving" schools you've been to are nothing more than money holes that allow car enthusiasts to push the envelope of their car, and that's fine! There are race tracks that offer track days for reasonable prices on circuits built for cars like yours and better that are more than willing to tailor to your speeding needs. Do it there and leave it off of public roads.

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"You are trying to make the argument that people in vehicles with spectacularly superior braking and handling capabilities, that tend to be maintained to a significantly better than average level of repair, who have given considerable attention and study to developing their vehicle control capabilities, and have spent a considerable amount of time actually practicing their reactions and inputs regarding vehicle control at the edges of the performance envelope, and exploring how their vehicle behaves at the limits, are somehow not only not better--or "more evolved" as drivers than, let's say, average--but beyond that, not capable of safely exceeding speeds that were largely generated with respect to pretty close to our roadways' lowest common denominators in the more pedestrian vehicle offerings of several decades ago?"

No. I'm making the argument that people who just so happen can afford spectacularly superior cars than the rest of us does not excuse you of your lack of disregard for the public's health. I'm making the argument that just because you think you're better than anyone else in terms of car control does not mean that you are, and even if it is indeed the case that you are the next Michael Schumacher, then there are race tracks built to allow you to push the car. Hell, if you are as good as you think you are, there are even people out there who will PAY you to do it!

The fact that you can't wrap your head around the idea that you ARE a danger to other people by the way you drive, act and think, only goes to show how the difference between you and a 16 year old who exhibits behavior that lends others to believe that they are invincible is virtually zilch.

The fact that you drive a sports car and that you've practiced being stupid does not mean that:
1) You now have developed the reflexes that allow you to compensate for the decreased time you have to react to danger, especially when the closing rate between you and the cars a head of you has greatly increased, something that is generally not experienced in most racing categories with the exception of mixed-class sports car racing (which if you watched the 24 hours of Le Mans, you would know that even the best make judgement calls).

2) The people surrounding you now drive FIA certified safety cell cars on the road that can withstand the impact of your stupidity.

3) Makes you any less likely to crash than anyone else.

4) Makes the people around you better drivers (if anything, your stupidity may actually cause someone to panic which may or may not cause you to be involved in a car accident).

6/22/2012 8:16:48 PM